This is a good case for the compulsory safety equipment
so many of you deride - LP

Child injured when teen crashes stolen car

A 4-year-old girl was critically injured after an
underage driver stole a car, ran a stop sign and
crashed into a vehicle carrying the child and four others.

Authorities said a 13-year-old boy hot-wired a white
Buick Century, then ran a stop sign and hit a Geo Metro
driven by 33-year-old Latonya D. Smalls shortly after 5
p.m. Sunday.

Small's 16-year-old daughter, Jatara Ward, was sitting
in the passenger seat with 4-year-old sister, Janeya
Mitchell, on her lap, and Smalls' brothers —
15-year-old Jonathan Ward and 13-year-old Marquis Ward
— were in the back seat.

Janeya was taken to Memorial Health University Medical
Center in critical condition, while her older sister
suffered a concussion, said Savannah-Chatham police
spokesman Bucky Burnsed. The others in the Geo
sustained minor injuries.

The collision had sent both cars spinning, and the
Buick tipped over onto the driver's side. When
passers-by righted the car, the 13-year-old escaped and
ran away, Burnsed said.

Police later caught the boy several blocks away. He
was arrested and charged with leaving the scene of a
serious accident, possession of a stolen vehicle and
probation violation.

"Witnesses at the scene recognized the suspect and
told the officers a likely location where he could be
found," Burnsed said.

The young offender had been found guilty of a previous
robbery, he said.

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"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, LeMod Pol wrote:
This is a good case for the compulsory safety equipment so many of you deride - LP

OK, I'll bite: Exactly which "compulsory safety equipment so many of us
deride" is this a good case for?


Child injured when teen crashes stolen car A 4-year-old girl was critically injured after an underage driver stole a car, ran a stop sign and crashed into a vehicle carrying the child and four others. Authorities said a 13-year-old boy hot-wired a white Buick Century, then ran a stop sign and hit a Geo Metro driven by 33-year-old Latonya D. Smalls shortly after 5 p.m. Sunday. Small's 16-year-old daughter, Jatara Ward, was sitting in the passenger seat with 4-year-old sister, Janeya Mitchell, on her lap, and Smalls' brothers — 15-year-old Jonathan Ward and 13-year-old Marquis Ward — were in the back seat. Janeya was taken to Memorial Health University Medical Center in critical condition, while her older sister suffered a concussion, said Savannah-Chatham police spokesman Bucky Burnsed. The others in the Geo sustained minor injuries. The collision had sent both cars spinning, and the Buick tipped over onto the driver's side. When passers-by righted the car, the 13-year-old escaped and ran away, Burnsed said. Police later caught the boy several blocks away. He was arrested and charged with leaving the scene of a serious accident, possession of a stolen vehicle and probation violation. "Witnesses at the scene recognized the suspect and told the officers a likely location where he could be found," Burnsed said. The young offender had been found guilty of a previous robbery, he said. -- LP "We are fighting today for security, for progress, and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all men, not only for one generation but for all generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world of ancient evils, ancient ills." Franklin Delano Roosevelt State of the Union Address - 1942

"Daniel J. Stern" wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, LeMod Pol wrote: This is a good case for the compulsory safety equipment so many of you deride - LP OK, I'll bite: Exactly which "compulsory safety equipment so many of us deride" is this a good case for?

Harness, kiddy seats, booster seats, etc.
Note the 16 year old suffered concussion and the four
year old she was holding is in critical condition

It would appear that none of the harness was in use.
Child injured when teen crashes stolen car A 4-year-old girl was critically injured after an underage driver stole a car, ran a stop sign and crashed into a vehicle carrying the child and four others. Authorities said a 13-year-old boy hot-wired a white Buick Century, then ran a stop sign and hit a Geo Metro driven by 33-year-old Latonya D. Smalls shortly after 5 p.m. Sunday. Small's 16-year-old daughter, Jatara Ward, was sitting in the passenger seat with 4-year-old sister, Janeya Mitchell, on her lap, and Smalls' brothers , 15-year-old Jonathan Ward and 13-year-old Marquis Ward, -were in the back seat. Janeya was taken to Memorial Health University Medical Center in critical condition, while her older sister suffered a concussion, said Savannah-Chatham police spokesman Bucky Burnsed. The others in the Geo sustained minor injuries. The collision had sent both cars spinning, and the Buick tipped over onto the driver's side. When passers-by righted the car, the 13-year-old escaped and ran away, Burnsed said. Police later caught the boy several blocks away. He was arrested and charged with leaving the scene of a serious accident, possession of a stolen vehicle and probation violation. "Witnesses at the scene recognized the suspect and told the officers a likely location where he could be found," Burnsed said. The young offender had been found guilty of a previous robbery, he said.

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LP

"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, LeMod Pol wrote:
OK, I'll bite: Exactly which "compulsory safety equipment so many of us deride" is this a good case for? Harness, kiddy seats, booster seats, etc.

H'm. Not sure exactly what you mean by "harness", but I can't say I've
ever seen anyone seriously deride child safety seats.
It would appear that none of the harness was in use.

"Harness"? Are you referring to what most of us call "seat belts"? I don't
think I've ever seen an individual with more than 2 functioning brain
cells deride seat belts.
Small's 16-year-old daughter, Jatara Ward, was sitting in the passenger seat with 4-year-old sister, Janeya Mitchell, on her lap,

Small should be charged with child endangerment.

Daniel J. Stern wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, LeMod Pol wrote:OK, I'll bite: Exactly which "compulsory safety equipment so many of usderide" is this a good case for?Harness, kiddy seats, booster seats, etc. H'm. Not sure exactly what you mean by "harness", but I can't say I've ever seen anyone seriously deride child safety seats.It would appear that none of the harness was in use. "Harness"? Are you referring to what most of us call "seat belts"? I don't think I've ever seen an individual with more than 2 functioning brain cells deride seat belts.>Small's 16-year-old daughter, Jatara Ward, was sitting in the>passenger seat with 4-year-old sister, Janeya Mitchell, on her lap, Small should be charged with child endangerment.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't seatbelts compulsory by federal law?
IIRC the anchor points were mandatory in or before 1962 (my '62 Lark
has them) and the belts themselves were mandatory by the mid-late 60's
with shoulder belts being mandatory in '68 or '69. Seems like all the
required safety equipment should have been in place, and it's not the
legislators' fault that the occupants of the vehicle chose not to use it.

nate

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Nate Nagel wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't seatbelts compulsory by federal law?

Yep, 49CFR571.208
IIRC the anchor points were mandatory in or before 1962

Yep, 49CFR571.210

Nate Nagel wrote: Daniel J. Stern wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, LeMod Pol wrote:>OK, I'll bite: Exactly which "compulsory safety equipment so many of us>deride" is this a good case for?Harness, kiddy seats, booster seats, etc. H'm. Not sure exactly what you mean by "harness", but I can't say I've ever seen anyone seriously deride child safety seats.It would appear that none of the harness was in use. "Harness"? Are you referring to what most of us call "seat belts"? I don't think I've ever seen an individual with more than 2 functioning brain cells deride seat belts.
>>Small's 16-year-old daughter, Jatara Ward, was sitting in the>>passenger seat with 4-year-old sister, Janeya Mitchell, on her lap, Small should be charged with child endangerment.

perhaps, and perhaps she has learned a hard lesson
unlike the kid that hit them who apparently does not learn. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't seatbelts compulsory by federal law? IIRC the anchor points were mandatory in or before 1962 (my '62 Lark has them) and the belts themselves were mandatory by the mid-late 60's with shoulder belts being mandatory in '68 or '69. Seems like all the required safety equipment should have been in place, and it's not the legislators' fault that the occupants of the vehicle chose not to use it.

You are not wrong, but there have been several threads
in these groups where individuals complain about being
"forced" wear the shoulder harness, and "forced" to
buy/use baby seats and boosters.

This case illustrates the importance of all of those
devices and the duty of the drivers to see that they
are properly used.

Yes, Daniel you have participated in some of those
threads, so you know of whom I speak.

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LP

"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, LeMod Pol wrote:
there have been several threads in these groups where individuals complain about being "forced" wear the shoulder harness, and "forced" to buy/use baby seats and boosters.

In which groups would those be, now? I don't think I've seen any such a
position argued seriously in rec.autos.driving or us.talk.headline-news.

"Daniel J. Stern" wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, LeMod Pol wrote: there have been several threads in these groups where individuals complain about being "forced" wear the shoulder harness, and "forced" to buy/use baby seats and boosters. In which groups would those be, now? I don't think I've seen any such a position argued seriously in rec.autos.driving or us.talk.headline-news.

They may not have been serious. I certainly did not
take their wails seriously, except as they were
reflective of a common attitude

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LP

"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942

LeMod Pol wrote: This is a good case for the compulsory safety equipment so many of you deride - LP Child injured when teen crashes stolen car A 4-year-old girl was critically injured after an underage driver stole a car, ran a stop sign and crashed into a vehicle carrying the child and four others. Authorities said a 13-year-old boy hot-wired a white Buick Century, then ran a stop sign and hit a Geo Metro driven by 33-year-old Latonya D. Smalls shortly after 5 p.m. Sunday. Small's 16-year-old daughter, Jatara Ward, was sitting in the passenger seat with 4-year-old sister, Janeya Mitchell, on her lap, and Smalls' brothers — 15-year-old Jonathan Ward and 13-year-old Marquis Ward — were in the back seat. Janeya was taken to Memorial Health University Medical Center in critical condition, while her older sister suffered a concussion, said Savannah-Chatham police spokesman Bucky Burnsed. The others in the Geo sustained minor injuries. The collision had sent both cars spinning, and the Buick tipped over onto the driver's side. When passers-by righted the car, the 13-year-old escaped and ran away, Burnsed said. Police later caught the boy several blocks away. He was arrested and charged with leaving the scene of a serious accident, possession of a stolen vehicle and probation violation. "Witnesses at the scene recognized the suspect and told the officers a likely location where he could be found," Burnsed said. The young offender had been found guilty of a previous robbery, he said. -- LP

You can expect this behavior to continue until parents
begin to teach their children between "right" and "wrong"
and teach the children there ARE consequences to all actions.

Quit throwing your children out to wander around and hurt
others .... take care of your own problems.

This child should be held in jail until a hearing, and after
a finding of "guilty" he should be placed into a "lock-down"
situation until he is 21 years of age. He's a psychopath
and a danger to society.

Chipper

"Chip McDonald" <chipper@seaboard.com> wrote in message
news:41A2D05A.3D545FDF@seaboard.com...
You can expect this behavior to continue until parents begin to teach their children between "right" and "wrong" and teach the children there ARE consequences to all actions. Quit throwing your children out to wander around and hurt others .... take care of your own problems. This child should be held in jail until a hearing, and after a finding of "guilty" he should be placed into a "lock-down" situation until he is 21 years of age. He's a psychopath and a danger to society.

You are a psychopath and need to be legaly killed in a civil war.

I say the hicksville christian government has got bad religous policies
and needs to be exterminated.

I'm still trying to get this goddamned microchip out of my back that
George Bush, George Bush, Richard Nixon and the secret service stuck
there in 1982.

Exterminate the christian government

"Chip McDonald" <chipper@seaboard.com> wrote in message
news:41A2D05A.3D545FDF@seaboard.com... LeMod Pol wrote: This is a good case for the compulsory safety equipment so many of you deride - LP Child injured when teen crashes stolen car A 4-year-old girl was critically injured after an underage driver stole a car, ran a stop sign and crashed into a vehicle carrying the child and four others. Authorities said a 13-year-old boy hot-wired a white Buick Century, then ran a stop sign and hit a Geo Metro driven by 33-year-old Latonya D. Smalls shortly after 5 p.m. Sunday. Small's 16-year-old daughter, Jatara Ward, was sitting in the passenger seat with 4-year-old sister, Janeya Mitchell, on her lap, and Smalls' brothers - 15-year-old Jonathan Ward and 13-year-old Marquis Ward - were in the back seat.

What kind of moron puts a 4 year old in the passenger seat (with another
person no less). Seat belts are designed for ONE person, not two, and it
says all over the visor in most all cars (except really old ones) that
'children under the age of twelve should not sit in the front seat' or
something of that nature because of the air bag. Its just NOT safe to put a
4 year old int eh front seat. The mother should get cited for Risk of
Injury to a Minor.

LeMod Pol <modpol@igs.net> wrote in message news:<41A21E2F.607DDC85@igs.net>... This is a good case for the compulsory safety equipment so many of you deride - LP
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Oh God! Not another control freak. Let me guess - you want us to wear
our seat belts. Well I am not going to play your game, Mr. UN
Commissar. Seat belts hurt my nads. They restrict my freedom of
movement which is precisely what I need to avoid getting into an
accident in the first place. Besides which, if something bad were to
happen, I'd just put on my seatbelt then.

If you want to wear your seat belt, fine with me. But leave me the
hell alone.

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:34:27 -0500, LeMod Pol <modpol@igs.net> wrote, in
part:
Harness, kiddy seats, booster seats, etc.Note the 16 year old suffered concussion and the fouryear old she was holding is in critical condition

Yes, that may be.

But why compel inconvenience and expense on innocent people, when the
problem can be solved by ensuring no one ever steals a car - by imposing
very severe penalties on those who do?

If, after the problem of stolen cars and cars driven by irresponsible
drivers is eliminated, some safety measures are still helpful in cars,
this can be debated then.

John Savard
http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html

LeMod Pol <modpol@igs.net> wrote in message news:<41A21E2F.607DDC85@igs.net>... This is a good case for the compulsory safety equipment so many of you deride - LP Child injured when teen crashes stolen car A 4-year-old girl was critically injured after an underage driver stole a car, ran a stop sign and crashed into a vehicle carrying the child and four others. Authorities said a 13-year-old boy hot-wired a white Buick Century, then ran a stop sign and hit a Geo Metro driven by 33-year-old Latonya D. Smalls shortly after 5 p.m. Sunday.

And you're blaming the mother for this???? Why not the car thief who
ran the stop sign??? You don't want to admit that people who run stop
signs and kill or maim others are at fault cause that would mean laura
bush belongs in prison.

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:12:47 GMT, jsavard@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid
(John Savard) wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:34:27 -0500, LeMod Pol <modpol@igs.net> wrote, inpart:Harness, kiddy seats, booster seats, etc.Note the 16 year old suffered concussion and the fouryear old she was holding is in critical conditionYes, that may be.But why compel inconvenience and expense on innocent people, when theproblem can be solved by ensuring no one ever steals a car - by imposingvery severe penalties on those who do?

You seem to be saying that almost all crashes involve stolen cars.
Is that what you're really trying to say?If, after the problem of stolen cars and cars driven by irresponsibledrivers is eliminated, some safety measures are still helpful in cars,this can be debated then.

Ah, now you've added another class of people responsible for crashes -
"irresponsible drivers". Wonderful. What's your definition of such?
Anyone but yourself?John Savardhttp://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html

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