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Brent P
09-19-2004, 09:07 PM
From the Oct 2004 issue of Road and track.

Page 21:
Public service: London police had set up a speed detection camera on the
A325, says "International Express", but were getting almost no hits. They
checked down the road and found Stuart Harding there with a sign
reading, "Speed Trap 300 yards." He was fined 364 pounds for willfully
obstructing a constable, but protested to the court that he was
supporting diriving restraint and "doing more for road safety than they
were."

If it were about safety, he did nothing wrong. He effectively increased
speed limit compliance rates more than the speed camera could. This ment
of course no money for the government, so the government stomped on him.
The only conclusion from this is that for the state, the revenue is
important, the speeds are of no safety concern.

Also on this page of R&T, Costa Mesa Ca. has had to refund 576 red light
camera tickets as the yellow light was found to be only 3.6 seconds
instead of the required minimum of 4.3. Once again a local government is
found to be cheating with red light cameras to rake in the cash.

Malcolm
09-20-2004, 05:37 AM
"Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:DAt3d.14130$wV.5396@attbi_s54...
Also on this page of R&T, Costa Mesa Ca. has had to refund 576 red light camera tickets as the yellow light was found to be only 3.6 seconds instead of the required minimum of 4.3. Once again a local government is found to be cheating with red light cameras to rake in the cash.

Straying somewhat from topic, but there is a good editorial in this month's
Car & Driver magazine regarding traffic safety numbers. The article was
spawned by the fact that the government was indicating that traffic deaths
were on the rise, flying in the face of increased safety equipment in newer
cars.

When one factored in the miles driven and the sheer number of drivers now on
the road, traffic safety has actually increased (again). They tend to ignore
the fact that deaths and accidents will rise given the fact that there are
more drivers on the road and they are traveling more miles. So, per-capita
traffic incidents are actually lower.

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Malcolm

Brent P
09-20-2004, 06:30 AM
In article <d1B3d.50655$zT6.40905@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, Malcolm wrote:
When one factored in the miles driven and the sheer number of drivers now on the road, traffic safety has actually increased (again). They tend to ignore the fact that deaths and accidents will rise given the fact that there are more drivers on the road and they are traveling more miles. So, per-capita traffic incidents are actually lower.

The safety advocates *purposely* confuse absolute fatalities with rate every
year to justify their existance and to futher their idiotic underposted
speed limits and the like. But the truth is every year interstate speeds
increase and the fatality rate (per mile driven) decreases.

The Lindbergh Baby
09-20-2004, 09:55 AM
Malcolm wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:DAt3d.14130$wV.5396@attbi_s54...Also on this page of R&T, Costa Mesa Ca. has had to refund 576 red lightcamera tickets as the yellow light was found to be only 3.6 secondsinstead of the required minimum of 4.3. Once again a local government isfound to be cheating with red light cameras to rake in the cash. Straying somewhat from topic, but there is a good editorial in this month's Car & Driver magazine regarding traffic safety numbers. The article was spawned by the fact that the government was indicating that traffic deaths were on the rise, flying in the face of increased safety equipment in newer cars.

The govenrment lies virtually every time it opens its mouth. That
leaders would have any credibility at all is a mystery to me.

Some people just love it when someone does all their thinking for them.




John

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Max
09-21-2004, 12:17 PM
Brent P wrote:
From the Oct 2004 issue of Road and track. Page 21:
Also on this page of R&T, Costa Mesa Ca. has had to refund 576 red light camera tickets as the yellow light was found to be only 3.6 seconds instead of the required minimum of 4.3. Once again a local government is found to be cheating with red light cameras to rake in the cash.

Apparently in Toronto a similar thing was going on, on a particular
boulevard there were yellow lights of approx 5 sec, but one with a
camera was only 3 sec...

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