Damn.....my Troll-o-meter just about pegged out!!!!

On the slight chance you are NOT a troll I will respond.

Mr Munyan wrote: Greetings, I would like to ask some of you law enforcement officers out there a serious question about a serious issue. First, a little about myself. I am a 53-year old man. I do drink. And I do drive. And I will confess that there are times when I drive home with a few drinks under my belt. But to my credit, I have never had a DUI. Never. So, I must be doing something right.

You have never been caught.
For one thing, I always stop at four martinis. That's my limit. And I always wait a good thirty minutes to drive home after downing that last martini.

Thats enough to put an average size man over the limit in most states.
AFter 30 minutes, you are probably at your peak in blood alcohol.
To me, this is good common sense. I have always prided myself on exercising good common sense.

You couldn't prove it by me.
Another thing in my favor is that I am on a first name basis with a good number of police officers in my area, including some of our state troopers. I am also a regular contributer to our police charities every year, and I know this helps.

Fantastic!!!! We will pass that fact along to the survivors of
someone(s) you have just killed.
Sometimes, when I am driving home from a bar, one of these police officers I know will pull me over. Not to give me some stupid sobriety test or nothing like that. But just to chew the fat a little bit.

Oh....we sure wouldn't want you to be inconvenienced by a little DUI
arrest or anything.
I don't want any of you to think that I can't hold my liquor and drive home, you understand. I happen to be one of those who can. I bet I drive better better at a BAC of 0.10 than 90% of all those drivers out there who haven't had a drop all day.

By golly, thats what all the drunks say....so it must be right.
But that's neither here nor there.

Neither is a morgue.
What worries me is that a lot of the "old guard" police officers in my area are retiring. In their place are all these young new cops being hired, none of whom know me, and none who would have learned to exercise the good common sense to refrain from stopping me when they might suspect me of driving under the influence.

You mean the good common sense of doing their job???? Getting impaired
drivers off the road??? The only lack of good commons sense I have read
thus far is (1) you driving after having 4 martinis and (2) your story
that officers let you go.
Here's my question. How do I handle these young new cops? When they pull me over, and start acting all gung ho, and ask me: "Have you had any alcohol tonight, sir?"

Oh....you mean "gung ho" as in doing their job????

It would be a hell of a lot easier and cheaper if you took a cab or had
a designated sober driver with you.
What is the best way to respond? What is the best way to prevent them from doing something stupid, like trying to give me an actual sobriety test?

So you think doing a sobriety test to get a drunk driver off the road is
"stupid"??? Your attitude is the only stupidity I have read about thus
far. (BTW, this is where I am getting the impression you have to be a
troll)
Do I tell a total lie... and say: "Sir, no sir, officer, sir. I have consumed no alcohol tonight whatsoever, sir!" Or do I tell a little half lie......and say something like: "Okay, I'll be honest. I did have one drink about an hour ago. I always wait an hour before I drive home after having a drink. That's my policy." Now, then. I'm not stupid. I know damned well that if you stopped me because I was weaving or swerving all over the road, like most common drunks do when they drive, then it wouldn't matter a tinker's damn what I said. But I'm different. I know how to handle a motor vehicle with a few drinks in my system. Therefore, the only reason you would stop me is due to some sort of random sobriety check or something like that.

Oh yes!!! You are different!!! You are special!!! The laws of
physiology and chemistry do not apply to you!!!! Alcohol doesn't impair
your judgement!!!! Heck, I bet you could win the Indianapolis 500 after
4 martinis!!!
So, in the event something like this happens, I would like to get a good "heads up" from some of you pros out there, as to the best way to get over these young new cops who are still wet behind the ears.

The heads up is to step out of the car. Tell the officer you have been
drinking. Put your hands behind your back. Prepare to go to jail.
Have a wrecker service picked out to tow your car.
Fraternally Yours,

You are in no fraternity that I want to associate with. I only hope
that if you crash before you get caught, you only hurt or kill yourself
and no one else. You are a danger to anyone and everyone on the road
or anywhere close to it.

Before you get the idea I one of the "young new cops still wet behind
the ears", I have been on the job for 28 years.

The "young new cops, still wet behind the ears" are better trained today
than ever before. Most can easily deal with someone like you.

"Nitespark" <""nitespark\"@nosp@m-cox.net> wrote in message
news:hFrNa.45656$G6.44292@lakeread04... Damn.....my Troll-o-meter just about pegged out!!!! On the slight chance you are NOT a troll I will respond.

Nitespark -- you are a troll!!! You offer nothing here, except get get
yourself off, beating on this man asking for real advice.
As such, I will be a bigger troll, and beat you to a pulp.
Mr Munyan wrote: Greetings, I would like to ask some of you law enforcement officers out there a
serious question about a serious issue. First, a little about myself. I am a 53-year old man. I do drink. And I do drive. And I will
confess that there are times when I drive home with a few drinks under my belt. But to my credit, I have never had a DUI. Never. So, I must be doing something right. You have never been caught.

Oh, here you prove you have 2nd grade reading comprehension level. For one thing, I always stop at four martinis. That's my limit. And
I always wait a good thirty minutes to drive home after downing that last martini. Thats enough to put an average size man over the limit in most states. AFter 30 minutes, you are probably at your peak in blood alcohol.

The man is not discusing the legal limit -- you fail the 3rd grade reading
comprehnsion level.
Another thing in my favor is that I am on a first name basis with a good
number of police officers in my area, including some of our state troopers.
I am also a regular contributer to our police charities every year, and I
know this helps. Fantastic!!!! We will pass that fact along to the survivors of someone(s) you have just killed.

Oops -- you are now down to 1st grade level. Read above paragraphs -- he
did not kill anyone.
What worries me is that a lot of the "old guard" police officers in my
area are retiring. In their place are all these young new cops being hired,
none of whom know me, and none who would have learned to exercise the good
common sense to refrain from stopping me when they might suspect me of driving under
the influence.
Here's my question. How do I handle these young new cops? When they pull me over, and start acting all gung ho, and ask me: "Have
you had any alcohol tonight, sir?" Oh....you mean "gung ho" as in doing their job????

Yes, gung ho can be use in this way in reference to cops acting in such a
way. Look the word up, and read a little more. The fact that you do not
like the word, does not make it's use incorrect. It would be a hell of a lot easier and cheaper if you took a cab or had a designated sober driver with you.

Oh? Then why do you think he still drives? Do you really think he has
never thought about alternatives before? Sweetheart -- this is not some 12
year old in your DARE class. What is the best way to respond? What is the best way to prevent them
from doing something stupid, like trying to give me an actual sobriety test? So you think doing a sobriety test to get a drunk driver off the road is "stupid"??? Your attitude is the only stupidity I have read about thus far. (BTW, this is where I am getting the impression you have to be a troll)

Read again, stupid, he does, at least in this situation. Question: what do
you think is a troll?

Oh yes!!! You are different!!! You are special!!! The laws of physiology and chemistry do not apply to you!!!! Alcohol doesn't impair your judgement!!!! Heck, I bet you could win the Indianapolis 500 after 4 martinis!!!

Relax. Yes, some people really drive safe on 4 marinis -- some can even win
races while intoxicated. And yes, people are different, I guess that's
something you forgot or was drummed out of you in some communist prison. So, in the event something like this happens, I would like to get a good
"heads up" from some of you pros out there, as to the best way to get over
these young new cops who are still wet behind the ears. The heads up is to step out of the car. Tell the officer you have been drinking. Put your hands behind your back. Prepare to go to jail. Have a wrecker service picked out to tow your car.

You are now a true blue troll and have failed the 1st grade reading
comprehension level. Fraternally Yours, You are in no fraternity that I want to associate with. I only hope that if you crash before you get caught, you only hurt or kill yourself and no one else. You are a danger to anyone and everyone on the road or anywhere close to it. Before you get the idea I one of the "young new cops still wet behind the ears", I have been on the job for 28 years. The "young new cops, still wet behind the ears" are better trained today than ever before. Most can easily deal with someone like you.

Well, seems like he has successfully evaded you and your boyfriends. I guess
dealing with him has not been as easy as you claim.
In terms of being a danger on the road, I'll bet many 4 martini drinking
drivers are less of a danger to the public on the road, than many hot headed
above the law cops such as yourself.

motocat

motocat wrote: "Nitespark" <""nitespark\"@nosp@m-cox.net> wrote in message news:hFrNa.45656$G6.44292@lakeread04...Damn.....my Troll-o-meter just about pegged out!!!!On the slight chance you are NOT a troll I will respond. Nitespark -- you are a troll!!! You offer nothing here, except get get yourself off, beating on this man asking for real advice. As such, I will be a bigger troll, and beat you to a pulp.

Oooooooooohhhhhhh!!!! Your keyboard courage has me shaking.

First, a little about myself.I am a 53-year old man. I do drink. And I do drive. And I will confessthat there are times when I drive home with a few drinks under my belt.But to my credit, I have never had a DUI. Never. So, I must be doingsomething right.You have never been caught. Oh, here you prove you have 2nd grade reading comprehension level.

You have no idea what my reading comprehension level is. If this is the
best you can do, get off your WebTV, hang up the PlayStation for awhile,
lay off the recreational substances and try again.

I amalso a regular contributer to our police charities every year, and I know thishelps.Fantastic!!!! We will pass that fact along to the survivors ofsomeone(s) you have just killed. Oops -- you are now down to 1st grade level. Read above paragraphs -- he did not kill anyone.

Hopefully the side effects of whatever you are on has worn off by now.
Never said he did. Its just a matter of time. When he does, we will
let the people know what a fine and upstanding character he is by
knowing all the cops and contributing to police charities, etc., even
though he endangers everyone else on the road.

to refrain from stopping me when they might suspect me of driving under theinfluence.Here's my question. How do I handle these young new cops?When they pull me over, and start acting all gung ho, and ask me: "Have youhad any alcohol tonight, sir?"Oh....you mean "gung ho" as in doing their job???? Yes, gung ho can be use in this way in reference to cops acting in such a way. Look the word up, and read a little more. The fact that you do not like the word, does not make it's use incorrect.

So you feel that an officer who is trying to get drunk drivers off the
road is bad???? (your above statement "cops acting in such a way".
The context in which it was used shows he is clearly contemptuous of any
officer who is trying to do his or her job. Your defense of him
indicates likewise.
It would be a hell of a lot easier and cheaper if you took a cab or hada designated sober driver with you. Oh? Then why do you think he still drives? Do you really think he has never thought about alternatives before? Sweetheart -- this is not some 12 year old in your DARE class.

Maybe he needs to be in some DARE or Alcohol Safety class. Nothing he
said in his entire message indicated to me he had any sense of
responsibility.
What is the best way to respond? What is the best way to prevent them fromdoing something stupid, like trying to give me an actual sobriety test?So you think doing a sobriety test to get a drunk driver off the road is"stupid"??? Your attitude is the only stupidity I have read about thusfar. (BTW, this is where I am getting the impression you have to be atroll) Read again, stupid, he does, at least in this situation. Question: what do you think is a troll?

The question to him was rhetorical. Oh....I forgot. You are
undoubtedly so mind-numbed by whatever it is you are on, you couldn't
see that.
Oh yes!!! You are different!!! You are special!!! The laws ofphysiology and chemistry do not apply to you!!!! Alcohol doesn't impairyour judgement!!!! Heck, I bet you could win the Indianapolis 500 after4 martinis!!! Relax. Yes, some people really drive safe on 4 marinis -- some can even win races while intoxicated. And yes, people are different, I guess that's something you forgot or was drummed out of you in some communist prison.

Guess you must have gone to a lot of classes on alcohol and physiology.
Shazaam Gomer.....maybe when the day comes he slams into some
innocent walking on the side of the road, or head-ons them in a car, it
will be you or some of your family. Then you can justify why this guy
is on the road. By the way......what is a "marini"?
The heads up is to step out of the car. Tell the officer you have beendrinking. Put your hands behind your back. Prepare to go to jail.Have a wrecker service picked out to tow your car. You are now a true blue troll and have failed the 1st grade reading comprehension level.

Nah....I read it for exactly what it was. An old drunk who is trying to
figure out a way from getting what is long overdue him, when his buddies
are no longer around to help him evade the law.

or anywhere close to it.Before you get the idea I one of the "young new cops still wet behindthe ears", I have been on the job for 28 years.The "young new cops, still wet behind the ears" are better trained todaythan ever before. Most can easily deal with someone like you. Well, seems like he has successfully evaded you and your boyfriends. I guess dealing with him has not been as easy as you claim.

I guess your reading comprehension level isn't to great. He hasn't
evaded anyone. By his own original message, he had been pulled over
numerous times, but apparently by his "buddies" just to socialize. What
he has evaded was justice. He was looking for a method to circumvent
that. Plain and simple. He recognizes that his "buddies" are going to
be retiring and a new generation will be moving in. He just wants to
know how to evade them.
In terms of being a danger on the road, I'll bet many 4 martini drinking drivers are less of a danger to the public on the road, than many hot headed above the law cops such as yourself.

A bet you will lose. What evidence do you have that I am "above the
law"?? Please cite ONE instance where I have conducted myself "above
the law".

Don't waste your time. This "motocat" is quite obviously someone looking to
instigate arguments. The word "assclown" comes to mind...

"Nitespark" <nitespark@cox.net> wrote in message
news:r1nQa.5162$b_4.420@lakeread07... motocat wrote: "Nitespark" <""nitespark\"@nosp@m-cox.net> wrote in message news:hFrNa.45656$G6.44292@lakeread04...Damn.....my Troll-o-meter just about pegged out!!!!On the slight chance you are NOT a troll I will respond. Nitespark -- you are a troll!!! You offer nothing here, except get get yourself off, beating on this man asking for real advice. As such, I will be a bigger troll, and beat you to a pulp. Oooooooooohhhhhhh!!!! Your keyboard courage has me shaking.>>First, a little about myself.>>I am a 53-year old man. I do drink. And I do drive. And I will confess>that there are times when I drive home with a few drinks under my belt.>>But to my credit, I have never had a DUI. Never. So, I must be
doing>something right.You have never been caught. Oh, here you prove you have 2nd grade reading comprehension level. You have no idea what my reading comprehension level is. If this is the best you can do, get off your WebTV, hang up the PlayStation for awhile, lay off the recreational substances and try again. I am>also a regular contributer to our police charities every year, and I know this>helps.Fantastic!!!! We will pass that fact along to the survivors ofsomeone(s) you have just killed. Oops -- you are now down to 1st grade level. Read above paragraphs --
he did not kill anyone. Hopefully the side effects of whatever you are on has worn off by now. Never said he did. Its just a matter of time. When he does, we will let the people know what a fine and upstanding character he is by knowing all the cops and contributing to police charities, etc., even though he endangers everyone else on the road.>to refrain from stopping me when they might suspect me of driving under the>influence.>Here's my question. How do I handle these young new cops?>>When they pull me over, and start acting all gung ho, and ask me:
"Have you>had any alcohol tonight, sir?"Oh....you mean "gung ho" as in doing their job???? Yes, gung ho can be use in this way in reference to cops acting in such
a way. Look the word up, and read a little more. The fact that you do
not like the word, does not make it's use incorrect. So you feel that an officer who is trying to get drunk drivers off the road is bad???? (your above statement "cops acting in such a way". The context in which it was used shows he is clearly contemptuous of any officer who is trying to do his or her job. Your defense of him indicates likewise.It would be a hell of a lot easier and cheaper if you took a cab or hada designated sober driver with you. Oh? Then why do you think he still drives? Do you really think he has never thought about alternatives before? Sweetheart -- this is not some
12 year old in your DARE class. Maybe he needs to be in some DARE or Alcohol Safety class. Nothing he said in his entire message indicated to me he had any sense of responsibility.>What is the best way to respond? What is the best way to prevent them from>doing something stupid, like trying to give me an actual sobriety test?So you think doing a sobriety test to get a drunk driver off the road is"stupid"??? Your attitude is the only stupidity I have read about thusfar. (BTW, this is where I am getting the impression you have to be atroll) Read again, stupid, he does, at least in this situation. Question:
what do you think is a troll? The question to him was rhetorical. Oh....I forgot. You are undoubtedly so mind-numbed by whatever it is you are on, you couldn't see that.Oh yes!!! You are different!!! You are special!!! The laws ofphysiology and chemistry do not apply to you!!!! Alcohol doesn't impairyour judgement!!!! Heck, I bet you could win the Indianapolis 500 after4 martinis!!! Relax. Yes, some people really drive safe on 4 marinis -- some can even
win races while intoxicated. And yes, people are different, I guess that's something you forgot or was drummed out of you in some communist prison. Guess you must have gone to a lot of classes on alcohol and physiology. Shazaam Gomer.....maybe when the day comes he slams into some innocent walking on the side of the road, or head-ons them in a car, it will be you or some of your family. Then you can justify why this guy is on the road. By the way......what is a "marini"?The heads up is to step out of the car. Tell the officer you have beendrinking. Put your hands behind your back. Prepare to go to jail.Have a wrecker service picked out to tow your car. You are now a true blue troll and have failed the 1st grade reading comprehension level. Nah....I read it for exactly what it was. An old drunk who is trying to figure out a way from getting what is long overdue him, when his buddies are no longer around to help him evade the law. or anywhere close to it.Before you get the idea I one of the "young new cops still wet behindthe ears", I have been on the job for 28 years.The "young new cops, still wet behind the ears" are better trained todaythan ever before. Most can easily deal with someone like you. Well, seems like he has successfully evaded you and your boyfriends. I
guess dealing with him has not been as easy as you claim. I guess your reading comprehension level isn't to great. He hasn't evaded anyone. By his own original message, he had been pulled over numerous times, but apparently by his "buddies" just to socialize. What he has evaded was justice. He was looking for a method to circumvent that. Plain and simple. He recognizes that his "buddies" are going to be retiring and a new generation will be moving in. He just wants to know how to evade them. In terms of being a danger on the road, I'll bet many 4 martini drinking drivers are less of a danger to the public on the road, than many hot
headed above the law cops such as yourself. A bet you will lose. What evidence do you have that I am "above the law"?? Please cite ONE instance where I have conducted myself "above the law".

motocat wrote:Hopefully the side effects of whatever you are on has worn off by now.Never said he did. Its just a matter of time. When he does, we willlet the people know what a fine and upstanding character he is byknowing all the cops and contributing to police charities, etc., eventhough he endangers everyone else on the road. Many people drink and drive and never drive dangerously, get ticketed, and least of all kill someone. This is a fact that your programming and pop campaigns have made impossible to see. Sorry, but in life there are many reasons for tragedies, not possible to sum up with a few simple words.

It is simple math. You should be able to handle that. The more alcohol
you consume (and then drive), the more liklihood you are to be involved
in a crash and hurt or kill someone. Very simple concept. It has been
proven over and over again. You call it programming, I call it
training. But the training I have gone through is based on scientific
surveys and research.
The context in which it was used shows he is clearly contemptuous of anyofficer who is trying to do his or her job. Your defense of himindicates likewise. I don't defend him. I just want to see his inquiry answered. That is what he is here for (supposedly) -- not to be trolled upon. Gung-ho is not necessarily bad. In the army, it is sometimes used to complement someone.

I answered him. I just didn't answer his question to suit you.The question to him was rhetorical. Oh....I forgot. You areundoubtedly so mind-numbed by whatever it is you are on, you couldn'tsee that. Sorry, but unlike they tought you in the DARE class, not everyone outside your class is on drugs. More, many of those who are on some mind altering drug, are probably those you might get along if they somehow found themselves here.

Never been to a DARE class troll boy. Never said or implied everyone
outside "my class" was on drugs. Your last sentence makes no sense
what-so-ever. Get yourself down to the detox center and get off
whatever it is you are on. If by chance it is prescribed by a
physician, have him/her modify the dose.
Guess you must have gone to a lot of classes on alcohol and physiology. Shazaam Gomer.....maybe when the day comes he slams into someinnocent walking on the side of the road, or head-ons them in a car, itwill be you or some of your family. Then you can justify why this guyis on the road. By the way......what is a "marini"? Marini: believe it or not, people on newgroups often mistype/mispell words, so you have to figure typos out yourself.

Troll boy, I figured it out. You made such an issue out of reading and
comprehension, I was making a point. Oooops......sorry, here I just
suggested you get your medication dose changed and am now asking you to
think clearly without giving you a chance to get cleaned up and/or get
your dose modified to help in that process. My bust.
I would make sure that the offender takes full responsibility for
what they did, and justice is served. No excuses please. Yes, in todays P.C. world, we have bad and good reasons for doing harm. For me it's just the same -- a bunch of crying cowards trying to avoid retribution for the harm they caused.

Please cite specific examples of what you are trying to say. I actually
do not disagree with this. If you are piloting a 1.5 ton missle on a
highway, then it is your responsibility to see it is done safely or be
held accountable otherwise.
he has evaded was justice. He was looking for a method to circumventthat. Plain and simple. He recognizes that his "buddies" are going tobe retiring and a new generation will be moving in. He just wants toknow how to evade them. Next time, just tell him you can't help him in that. If you just want to lecture, be prepared to get lectures back -- here on the net, being a cop gives you no special positon in this.

Not gonna happen troll boy. He posts a message in a public forum
advocating an irresponsible behavior that is dangerous for everyone. I
have the right to respond in anyway I feel.
A bet you will lose. What evidence do you have that I am "above thelaw"?? Please cite ONE instance where I have conducted myself "abovethe law". As you assumed that 4 martini man was a danger on the road because many drunks are, I will assume that you act above the law, as many cops do. When you paint others of a group all one color, you will also be painted with one color.

Again. Cite ONE instance where I have conducted myself "above the law".
Put up or shut up troll boy.
Cheers -- my martini's getting cold

Have 3 more if you like. Just don't get behind the wheel of a
motorvehicle.

Also, be careful mixing alcohol with whatever it is you are on.

"> > Many people drink and drive and never drive dangerously, get ticketed,
and least of all kill someone. This is a fact that your programming and pop campaigns have made impossible to see. Sorry, but in life there are
many reasons for tragedies, not possible to sum up with a few simple words. It is simple math. You should be able to handle that. The more alcohol you consume (and then drive), the more liklihood you are to be involved in a crash and hurt or kill someone. Very simple concept. It has been proven over and over again. You call it programming, I call it training. But the training I have gone through is based on scientific surveys and research.

Many actions make accidents more likely, and the effects of them vary from
individual to individual, moment to moment. Factors such as fatigue, common
distractions, etc., all have been shown to lead to more accidents than
alcohol. Now, one of the big campaigns is against driving with any alcohol
in your system -- to the extent that people such as yourself assume that any
drinking will make anyone a more dangerous driver than almost anything
else -- to the extent that if anyone even contemplates such an action, they
are quickly assumed to be killers and insulted -- to the extent that
roadblocks are set up and constitutional protections against unreasonable
search and seizure ignored -- to the extent that you so quickly label
someone who questions this a troll.
Sorry, but unlike they tought you in the DARE class, not everyone
outside your class is on drugs. More, many of those who are on some mind
altering drug, are probably those you might get along if they somehow found themselves here. Never been to a DARE class troll boy. Never said or implied everyone outside "my class" was on drugs. Your last sentence makes no sense what-so-ever. Get yourself down to the detox center and get off whatever it is you are on. If by chance it is prescribed by a physician, have him/her modify the dose.

You are very quick to assume I am on drugs. What you don't get, is that
many who are on certain drugs, would be more agreeable to whatever you
suggest, less willing fight -- perhaps you would even like much of the
population to be on prescriptions, as you seem to wish and fantasize I was
on.
Marini: believe it or not, people on newgroups often mistype/mispell
words, so you have to figure typos out yourself. Troll boy, I figured it out. You made such an issue out of reading and comprehension, I was making a point. Oooops......sorry, here I just suggested you get your medication dose changed and am now asking you to think clearly without giving you a chance to get cleaned up and/or get your dose modified to help in that process. My bust.

Now, now, not everyone is missing their medication. I would make sure that the offender takes full responsibility for what they did, and justice is served. No excuses please. Yes, in todays P.C.
world, we have bad and good reasons for doing harm. For me it's just the
same -- a bunch of crying cowards trying to avoid retribution for the harm they caused. Please cite specific examples of what you are trying to say. I actually do not disagree with this. If you are piloting a 1.5 ton missle on a highway, then it is your responsibility to see it is done safely or be held accountable otherwise.

What I'm tired off, are so many laws punishing individuals for behavior
before they have even harmed someone, while many people who have hurt others
"by accident" are let off with little or no punishment. Such is especially
the case in regards to traffic laws.
Next time, just tell him you can't help him in that. If you just want
to lecture, be prepared to get lectures back -- here on the net, being a
cop gives you no special positon in this. Not gonna happen troll boy. He posts a message in a public forum advocating an irresponsible behavior that is dangerous for everyone. I have the right to respond in anyway I feel.

So, people are so stupid, someone will go drinking 4 martinis and driving
from his post? Now, please take something before you respond next time --
I'm sure you can find something to keep your emotions in check. I think
free and open speach is good -- stupid people will do stupid things
regardless of what you say or write.
As you assumed that 4 martini man was a danger on the road because many drunks are, I will assume that you act above the law, as many cops do.
When you paint others of a group all one color, you will also be painted with
one color. Again. Cite ONE instance where I have conducted myself "above the law". Put up or shut up troll boy.

Cite one instance where Mr 4 martini harmed somoene from his drinking and
driving. That was the point -- responding to you as you responded to him.
Also, be careful mixing alcohol with whatever it is you are on.

Sorry, not on anything now. Let me know how your mixing goes.

motocat

You should visit Spain. There is no DWI laws. You will be glad we have
them!
"motocat" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BLMRa.85921$Ph3.10705@sccrnsc04... "> > Many people drink and drive and never drive dangerously, get
ticketed, and least of all kill someone. This is a fact that your programming and
pop campaigns have made impossible to see. Sorry, but in life there are many reasons for tragedies, not possible to sum up with a few simple words. It is simple math. You should be able to handle that. The more alcohol you consume (and then drive), the more liklihood you are to be involved in a crash and hurt or kill someone. Very simple concept. It has been proven over and over again. You call it programming, I call it training. But the training I have gone through is based on scientific surveys and research. Many actions make accidents more likely, and the effects of them vary from individual to individual, moment to moment. Factors such as fatigue,
common distractions, etc., all have been shown to lead to more accidents than alcohol. Now, one of the big campaigns is against driving with any
alcohol in your system -- to the extent that people such as yourself assume that
any drinking will make anyone a more dangerous driver than almost anything else -- to the extent that if anyone even contemplates such an action,
they are quickly assumed to be killers and insulted -- to the extent that roadblocks are set up and constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure ignored -- to the extent that you so quickly label someone who questions this a troll. Sorry, but unlike they tought you in the DARE class, not everyone outside your class is on drugs. More, many of those who are on some mind altering drug, are probably those you might get along if they somehow found themselves here. Never been to a DARE class troll boy. Never said or implied everyone outside "my class" was on drugs. Your last sentence makes no sense what-so-ever. Get yourself down to the detox center and get off whatever it is you are on. If by chance it is prescribed by a physician, have him/her modify the dose. You are very quick to assume I am on drugs. What you don't get, is that many who are on certain drugs, would be more agreeable to whatever you suggest, less willing fight -- perhaps you would even like much of the population to be on prescriptions, as you seem to wish and fantasize I was on. Marini: believe it or not, people on newgroups often mistype/mispell words, so you have to figure typos out yourself. Troll boy, I figured it out. You made such an issue out of reading and comprehension, I was making a point. Oooops......sorry, here I just suggested you get your medication dose changed and am now asking you to think clearly without giving you a chance to get cleaned up and/or get your dose modified to help in that process. My bust. Now, now, not everyone is missing their medication. I would make sure that the offender takes full responsibility for what they did, and justice is served. No excuses please. Yes, in todays P.C. world, we have bad and good reasons for doing harm. For me it's just the same -- a bunch of crying cowards trying to avoid retribution for the harm they caused. Please cite specific examples of what you are trying to say. I actually do not disagree with this. If you are piloting a 1.5 ton missle on a highway, then it is your responsibility to see it is done safely or be held accountable otherwise. What I'm tired off, are so many laws punishing individuals for behavior before they have even harmed someone, while many people who have hurt
others "by accident" are let off with little or no punishment. Such is
especially the case in regards to traffic laws. Next time, just tell him you can't help him in that. If you just want to lecture, be prepared to get lectures back -- here on the net, being a cop gives you no special positon in this. Not gonna happen troll boy. He posts a message in a public forum advocating an irresponsible behavior that is dangerous for everyone. I have the right to respond in anyway I feel. So, people are so stupid, someone will go drinking 4 martinis and driving from his post? Now, please take something before you respond next time -- I'm sure you can find something to keep your emotions in check. I think free and open speach is good -- stupid people will do stupid things regardless of what you say or write. As you assumed that 4 martini man was a danger on the road because
many drunks are, I will assume that you act above the law, as many cops do. When you paint others of a group all one color, you will also be painted
with one color. Again. Cite ONE instance where I have conducted myself "above the law". Put up or shut up troll boy. Cite one instance where Mr 4 martini harmed somoene from his drinking and driving. That was the point -- responding to you as you responded to him. Also, be careful mixing alcohol with whatever it is you are on. Sorry, not on anything now. Let me know how your mixing goes. motocat

Spain? I was thinking more like "Fantasyland."

"Thin Blue Line402" <thin_blue_line402@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:IRMRa.107461$Io.9180503@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net... You should visit Spain. There is no DWI laws. You will be glad we have them! "motocat" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:BLMRa.85921$Ph3.10705@sccrnsc04... "> > Many people drink and drive and never drive dangerously, get ticketed, and > least of all kill someone. This is a fact that your programming and pop > campaigns have made impossible to see. Sorry, but in life there are many > reasons for tragedies, not possible to sum up with a few simple
words. It is simple math. You should be able to handle that. The more
alcohol you consume (and then drive), the more liklihood you are to be
involved in a crash and hurt or kill someone. Very simple concept. It has
been proven over and over again. You call it programming, I call it training. But the training I have gone through is based on scientific surveys and research. Many actions make accidents more likely, and the effects of them vary
from individual to individual, moment to moment. Factors such as fatigue, common distractions, etc., all have been shown to lead to more accidents than alcohol. Now, one of the big campaigns is against driving with any alcohol in your system -- to the extent that people such as yourself assume that any drinking will make anyone a more dangerous driver than almost anything else -- to the extent that if anyone even contemplates such an action, they are quickly assumed to be killers and insulted -- to the extent that roadblocks are set up and constitutional protections against
unreasonable search and seizure ignored -- to the extent that you so quickly label someone who questions this a troll. > Sorry, but unlike they tought you in the DARE class, not everyone outside > your class is on drugs. More, many of those who are on some mind altering > drug, are probably those you might get along if they somehow found > themselves here. Never been to a DARE class troll boy. Never said or implied everyone outside "my class" was on drugs. Your last sentence makes no sense what-so-ever. Get yourself down to the detox center and get off whatever it is you are on. If by chance it is prescribed by a physician, have him/her modify the dose. You are very quick to assume I am on drugs. What you don't get, is that many who are on certain drugs, would be more agreeable to whatever you suggest, less willing fight -- perhaps you would even like much of the population to be on prescriptions, as you seem to wish and fantasize I
was on. > Marini: believe it or not, people on newgroups often
mistype/mispell words, > so you have to figure typos out yourself. Troll boy, I figured it out. You made such an issue out of reading
and comprehension, I was making a point. Oooops......sorry, here I just suggested you get your medication dose changed and am now asking you
to think clearly without giving you a chance to get cleaned up and/or get your dose modified to help in that process. My bust. Now, now, not everyone is missing their medication. > I would make sure that the offender takes full responsibility for what they > did, and justice is served. No excuses please. Yes, in todays P.C. world, > we have bad and good reasons for doing harm. For me it's just the same -- a > bunch of crying cowards trying to avoid retribution for the harm
they > caused. Please cite specific examples of what you are trying to say. I
actually do not disagree with this. If you are piloting a 1.5 ton missle on a highway, then it is your responsibility to see it is done safely or be held accountable otherwise. What I'm tired off, are so many laws punishing individuals for behavior before they have even harmed someone, while many people who have hurt others "by accident" are let off with little or no punishment. Such is especially the case in regards to traffic laws. > Next time, just tell him you can't help him in that. If you just
want to > lecture, be prepared to get lectures back -- here on the net, being
a cop > gives you no special positon in this. Not gonna happen troll boy. He posts a message in a public forum advocating an irresponsible behavior that is dangerous for everyone.
I have the right to respond in anyway I feel. So, people are so stupid, someone will go drinking 4 martinis and
driving from his post? Now, please take something before you respond next
time -- I'm sure you can find something to keep your emotions in check. I think free and open speach is good -- stupid people will do stupid things regardless of what you say or write. > As you assumed that 4 martini man was a danger on the road because many > drunks are, I will assume that you act above the law, as many cops
do. When > you paint others of a group all one color, you will also be painted with one > color. Again. Cite ONE instance where I have conducted myself "above the
law". Put up or shut up troll boy. Cite one instance where Mr 4 martini harmed somoene from his drinking
and driving. That was the point -- responding to you as you responded to
him. Also, be careful mixing alcohol with whatever it is you are on. Sorry, not on anything now. Let me know how your mixing goes. motocat

"Thin Blue Line402" <thin_blue_line402@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:IRMRa.107461$Io.9180503@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net... You should visit Spain. There is no DWI laws. You will be glad we have them!

I have visited southern Spain. Love it, and hope to visit again. Rented a
motorbike there and had no problems what so ever with other drivers. Maybe
the people who always complain of how bad all the other drivers are, are
actually the ones with a problem. I assume others will make bad mistakes,
and drive accordingly. Those who are always getting mad at others for bad
driving are often the worst of all -- it's not like they are just being
picked on.

motocat