Just a Cyclist wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:a15Ka.11894$e26.9058@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.ne t... In article <vfhm0kcsu0kp16@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message> Fact remains, it's hypocritical to get a ticket from a cop for> cruising safely at say 80mph when that cop cruises at 85mph. The problem here is most states say 80mph is not safely.........so you can't cruise at 80 safely. Bull. What the state governments say is not relevant, what actual data says is. On some chicago area interstates there is sometimes 80 mph traffic flow. There is no unsual rate of collisions to the best of my knowledge. Just try to explain that to the Judge..........I would give my eye teeth to be standing there when you said that!

The judge is not there to decide safety. The judge _is_ there to determine
whether the law has been broken.
Also, I've cruised at 100mph safely, safest driving I've done in my life in fact. It was also legal btw. Legal where? In Europe but no where in the States.......... they would lose everypenny for state Highways..... just ask Nevada......until they changed there law...... Anyway some reading material: http://www.dot.state.az.us/ROADS/traffic/speed.htm
http://www.sha.state.md.us/safety/oots/trafficsignalsandlaws/speedlimits2.asp http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/fossc/trafficoperations/traffic/rules.htm http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/fossc/trafficoperations/traffic/limits.htm http://www.tfhrc.gov/safety/speed/speed.htm http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/sl-irrel.html http://www.sense.bc.ca/research.htm http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article.jhtml?articleID=517195 http://www.fhwa.dot.gov//////tfhrc/safety/pubs/speed/images/fig1.gif http://www.sha.state.md.us/images/85thchart.gif http://www.americanautobahn.com/americanautobahng1.jpg http://www.americanautobahn.com/americanautobahng2.jpg Why won't these open up.........??????????? tried and nothing happens???????????/

They worked fine for me.
Cirillo, J.A., Interstate System Accident Research Study II Interim Report II. Public Roads, Vol 35, No 3, August 1969, pp. 71-75. Federal Highway Administration. Synthesis of Speed Zoning Practice. Report No. FHwA/RD-85/096. Washington, D.C. July 1985. Federal Highway Administration. Traffic Speed Trends. Washington, D.C. 1969-1975. Solomon, D., Accidents on Main Rural Highways Related to Speed, Driver, and Vehicle. Bureau of Public Roads (precursor to FHwA). July 1964. Federal Highway Administration. Effects of Raising and Lowering Speed Limits. Report No. FHwA/RD-92/084. McLean, VA. June 1996. Tignor, Samuel C. and Warren, Davey. Driver Speed Behavior on U.S. Streets and Highways. Institute of Transportation Engineers, 1990 Compendium of Technical Papers. Orlando, FL August, 1990. David L. Harkey, et. al., "Assessment of Current Speed Zoning Criteria," Transportation Research Record, no. 1281, 1990.

"Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:nzOdneMu1_QecmejXTWJkg@comcast.com... Just a Cyclist wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:a15Ka.11894$e26.9058@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.ne t... In article <vfhm0kcsu0kp16@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote:> "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message>> Fact remains, it's hypocritical to get a ticket from a cop for>> cruising safely at say 80mph when that cop cruises at 85mph.> The problem here is most states say 80mph is not safely.........so> you can't cruise at 80 safely. Bull. What the state governments say is not relevant, what actual data says is. On some chicago area interstates there is sometimes 80 mph traffic flow. There is no unsual rate of collisions to the best of my knowledge. Just try to explain that to the Judge..........I would give my eye teeth to be standing there when you said that! The judge is not there to decide safety. The judge _is_ there to determine whether the law has been broken.

Wrong, wrong........the law is written for the safety of the people.......oh
duh! Also, I've cruised at 100mph safely, safest driving I've done in my life in fact. It was also legal btw. Legal where? In Europe but no where in the States.......... they would lose everypenny for state Highways..... just ask Nevada......until they changed there law...... Anyway some reading material: http://www.dot.state.az.us/ROADS/traffic/speed.htm
http://www.sha.state.md.us/safety/oots/trafficsignalsandlaws/speedlimits2.asp http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/fossc/trafficoperations/traffic/rules.htm http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/fossc/trafficoperations/traffic/limits.htm http://www.tfhrc.gov/safety/speed/speed.htm http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/sl-irrel.html http://www.sense.bc.ca/research.htm http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article.jhtml?articleID=517195 http://www.fhwa.dot.gov//////tfhrc/safety/pubs/speed/images/fig1.gif http://www.sha.state.md.us/images/85thchart.gif http://www.americanautobahn.com/americanautobahng1.jpg http://www.americanautobahn.com/americanautobahng2.jpg Why won't these open up.........??????????? tried and nothing happens???????????/ They worked fine for me. Cirillo, J.A., Interstate System Accident Research Study II Interim Report II. Public Roads, Vol 35, No 3, August 1969, pp. 71-75. Federal Highway Administration. Synthesis of Speed Zoning Practice. Report No. FHwA/RD-85/096. Washington, D.C. July 1985. Federal Highway Administration. Traffic Speed Trends. Washington, D.C. 1969-1975. Solomon, D., Accidents on Main Rural Highways Related to Speed, Driver, and Vehicle. Bureau of Public Roads (precursor to FHwA). July 1964. Federal Highway Administration. Effects of Raising and Lowering Speed Limits. Report No. FHwA/RD-92/084. McLean, VA. June 1996. Tignor, Samuel C. and Warren, Davey. Driver Speed Behavior on U.S. Streets and Highways. Institute of Transportation Engineers, 1990 Compendium of Technical Papers. Orlando, FL August, 1990. David L. Harkey, et. al., "Assessment of Current Speed Zoning Criteria," Transportation Research Record, no. 1281, 1990.

In article <vfm2bvktod36a9@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote:
The judge is not there to decide safety. The judge _is_ there to determine whether the law has been broken.
Wrong, wrong........the law is written for the safety of the people.......oh duh!

You are either naive or think we are.

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:55:57 -0700, "Just a Cyclist"
<popo@copwatch.com> wrote:
"Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:nzOdneMu1_QecmejXTWJkg@comcast.com... Just a Cyclist wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:a15Ka.11894$e26.9058@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.ne t...> In article <vfhm0kcsu0kp16@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote:
Just try to explain that to the Judge..........I would give my eye teeth to be standing there when you said that! The judge is not there to decide safety. The judge _is_ there to determine whether the law has been broken.Wrong, wrong........the law is written for the safety of the people.......ohduh!

So when engineering principles tell us that setting the speed limit to
the 85th percentile is the best way to maximize safety, what would you
say about limits set to the 1st percentile?
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Definition of "Lottery":
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to make one stupid person look smart.

Just a Cyclist wrote: "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message news:nzOdneMu1_QecmejXTWJkg@comcast.com... Just a Cyclist wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:a15Ka.11894$e26.9058@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.ne t...> In article <vfhm0kcsu0kp16@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist> wrote:>>> "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message>>>> Fact remains, it's hypocritical to get a ticket from a cop for>>> cruising safely at say 80mph when that cop cruises at 85mph.>>> The problem here is most states say 80mph is not safely.........so>> you can't cruise at 80 safely.>> Bull. What the state governments say is not relevant, what actual> data says is. On some chicago area interstates there is sometimes> 80 mph traffic flow. There is no unsual rate of collisions to the> best> of my knowledge. Just try to explain that to the Judge..........I would give my eye teeth to be standing there when you said that! The judge is not there to decide safety. The judge _is_ there to determine whether the law has been broken. Wrong, wrong........the law is written for the safety of the people.......oh duh!

I don't feel _all_ laws are written for the safety of the people, but for
the sake of simplicity I'll agree with you, as I feel _most_ laws are
written for the safety of the people.

Judges don't make laws. It is the legislators who decide on the safety of
things and make laws regarding them. The judges job is to decide if specific
occurances were in violation of the law. It's as simple as that, judges do
not make laws.


Oh, did you ever get those links working? If not try pinging the root site
of each link. If an address is resolved but no reply your DNS is wroking
properly. If that is the case, do a pathping and find out if the fault is
local to you, with your ISP, or after you get off your ISP's network and
onto the internet. Report back with your findings.