Just a Cyclist wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:XiEJa.278$nG.610@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net... In article <41DJa.9429$XV.768573@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few feet> from people's bumpers with no lights on? Burglary in progress. Or just because he feels like it. I've seen the ISP just go trolling in this manner. You have a stupid answer for everything, don't you....... You're the kind that never takes responsibility for your own actions........always some else's fault...... see million like you before....

So waht part of Brent getting tailgated is his fault that he isn't taking
responsibility for?

"Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Gt6cnbGVIdancWejXTWJjA@comcast.com... Just a Cyclist wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:XiEJa.278$nG.610@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net... In article <41DJa.9429$XV.768573@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird>> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few feet>> from people's bumpers with no lights on?> Burglary in progress. Or just because he feels like it. I've seen the ISP just go trolling in this manner. You have a stupid answer for everything, don't you....... You're the kind that never takes responsibility for your own actions........always some else's fault...... see million like you before.... So waht part of Brent getting tailgated is his fault that he isn't taking responsibility for?

He probably needed to move out of the way.

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jaybird

I am not the cause of your problems. I am the result of your actions...
Your life is not my fault.

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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:17:45 GMT, "jaybird" <nospam@me.com> wrote:
"Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:Gt6cnbGVIdancWejXTWJjA@comcast.com... Just a Cyclist wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:XiEJa.278$nG.610@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...> In article <41DJa.9429$XV.768573@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird>>> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few feet>>> from people's bumpers with no lights on?>>> Burglary in progress.>> Or just because he feels like it. I've seen the ISP just go trolling> in this manner. You have a stupid answer for everything, don't you....... You're the kind that never takes responsibility for your own actions........always some else's fault...... see million like you before.... So waht part of Brent getting tailgated is his fault that he isn't taking responsibility for?He probably needed to move out of the way.

You mean move to the left lane?
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to make one stupid person look smart.

"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
news:f73e307b2e42ffd3cb206b026612b077@free.teranew s.com... On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:17:45 GMT, "jaybird" <nospam@me.com> wrote:"Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:Gt6cnbGVIdancWejXTWJjA@comcast.com... Just a Cyclist wrote: > "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:XiEJa.278$nG.610@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net... >> In article <41DJa.9429$XV.768573@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird >>>> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few feet >>>> from people's bumpers with no lights on? >> >>> Burglary in progress. >> >> Or just because he feels like it. I've seen the ISP just go trolling >> in this manner. > You have a stupid answer for everything, don't you....... You're the > kind that never takes responsibility for your own > actions........always some else's fault...... see million like you > before.... So waht part of Brent getting tailgated is his fault that he isn't
taking responsibility for?He probably needed to move out of the way. You mean move to the left lane?

No, the right. The left is illegal if you're not passing.

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jaybird

I am not the cause of your problems. I am the result of your actions...
Your life is not my fault.

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In article <J0FKa.18385$XV.1280273@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird wrote: "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Gt6cnbGVIdancWejXTWJjA@comcast.com... Just a Cyclist wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:XiEJa.278$nG.610@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...> In article <41DJa.9429$XV.768573@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird>>> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few feet>>> from people's bumpers with no lights on?>>> Burglary in progress.>> Or just because he feels like it. I've seen the ISP just go trolling> in this manner. You have a stupid answer for everything, don't you....... You're the kind that never takes responsibility for your own actions........always some else's fault...... see million like you before.... So waht part of Brent getting tailgated is his fault that he isn't taking responsibility for? He probably needed to move out of the way.

I always move right, cept when I am endangered. The last time I was
tailgated by a cop it was the result of his ~40-45mph closing speed
(I was going 45mph, so that makes his speed 85-90mph) and moving right
under those circumstances would have got me hit for sure. (I was in
a passing manuver at the time too)

Sometimes the cops follow my lane change and continue to tailgate.
Sometimes they go on.
Sometimes there is no other lane (two lane road) and they don't have
their lights on so I stay put.

Got any other clever statements?

"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yHHKa.26032$XG4.17433@rwcrnsc53... In article <J0FKa.18385$XV.1280273@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird wrote: "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Gt6cnbGVIdancWejXTWJjA@comcast.com... Just a Cyclist wrote: > "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:XiEJa.278$nG.610@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net... >> In article <41DJa.9429$XV.768573@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird >>>> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few feet >>>> from people's bumpers with no lights on? >> >>> Burglary in progress. >> >> Or just because he feels like it. I've seen the ISP just go trolling >> in this manner. > You have a stupid answer for everything, don't you....... You're the > kind that never takes responsibility for your own > actions........always some else's fault...... see million like you > before.... So waht part of Brent getting tailgated is his fault that he isn't
taking responsibility for? He probably needed to move out of the way. I always move right, cept when I am endangered. The last time I was tailgated by a cop it was the result of his ~40-45mph closing speed (I was going 45mph, so that makes his speed 85-90mph) and moving right under those circumstances would have got me hit for sure. (I was in a passing manuver at the time too) Sometimes the cops follow my lane change and continue to tailgate. Sometimes they go on. Sometimes there is no other lane (two lane road) and they don't have their lights on so I stay put. Got any other clever statements?

Yeah, just keep your eyes open in your rear view mirror. I have that
problem too. Just as I'm about to pass, someone always wants to jump in
front and I have to slam on the brakes.

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jaybird

I am not the cause of your problems. I am the result of your actions...
Your life is not my fault.

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In article <ddIKa.19466$XV.1291522@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:yHHKa.26032$XG4.17433@rwcrnsc53... In article <J0FKa.18385$XV.1280273@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird wrote: "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Gt6cnbGVIdancWejXTWJjA@comcast.com...> Just a Cyclist wrote:> > "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message> > news:XiEJa.278$nG.610@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...> >> In article <41DJa.9429$XV.768573@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird> >>>> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few feet> >>>> from people's bumpers with no lights on?> >>> >>> Burglary in progress.> >>> >> Or just because he feels like it. I've seen the ISP just go trolling> >> in this manner.> > You have a stupid answer for everything, don't you....... You're the> > kind that never takes responsibility for your own> > actions........always some else's fault...... see million like you> > before....>> So waht part of Brent getting tailgated is his fault that he isn't taking> responsibility for? He probably needed to move out of the way. I always move right, cept when I am endangered. The last time I was tailgated by a cop it was the result of his ~40-45mph closing speed (I was going 45mph, so that makes his speed 85-90mph) and moving right under those circumstances would have got me hit for sure. (I was in a passing manuver at the time too) Sometimes the cops follow my lane change and continue to tailgate. Sometimes they go on. Sometimes there is no other lane (two lane road) and they don't have their lights on so I stay put. Got any other clever statements? Yeah, just keep your eyes open in your rear view mirror. I have that problem too. Just as I'm about to pass, someone always wants to jump in front and I have to slam on the brakes.

Huh? I didn't change lanes in front of anyone. The cop was doing 2X the
legal limit and driving beyond the sight lines of the road.

jaybird wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:yHHKa.26032$XG4.17433@rwcrnsc53... In article <J0FKa.18385$XV.1280273@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird wrote: "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Gt6cnbGVIdancWejXTWJjA@comcast.com...> Just a Cyclist wrote:> > "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message> > news:XiEJa.278$nG.610@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...> >> In article <41DJa.9429$XV.768573@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird> >>>> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few feet> >>>> from people's bumpers with no lights on?> >>> >>> Burglary in progress.> >>> >> Or just because he feels like it. I've seen the ISP just go trolling> >> in this manner.> > You have a stupid answer for everything, don't you....... You're the> > kind that never takes responsibility for your own> > actions........always some else's fault...... see million like you> > before....>> So waht part of Brent getting tailgated is his fault that he isn't taking> responsibility for? He probably needed to move out of the way. I always move right, cept when I am endangered. The last time I was tailgated by a cop it was the result of his ~40-45mph closing speed (I was going 45mph, so that makes his speed 85-90mph) and moving right under those circumstances would have got me hit for sure. (I was in a passing manuver at the time too) Sometimes the cops follow my lane change and continue to tailgate. Sometimes they go on. Sometimes there is no other lane (two lane road) and they don't have their lights on so I stay put. Got any other clever statements? Yeah, just keep your eyes open in your rear view mirror. I have that problem too. Just as I'm about to pass, someone always wants to jump in front and I have to slam on the brakes.

Perhaps you should have your lights and siren on then, if you're
exceeding the speed limit.

nate

"Nathan Nagel" <njnagel@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3EFB65D1.226A220@earthlink.net... jaybird wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:yHHKa.26032$XG4.17433@rwcrnsc53... In article <J0FKa.18385$XV.1280273@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird
wrote: > > "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Gt6cnbGVIdancWejXTWJjA@comcast.com... >> Just a Cyclist wrote: >> > "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> > news:XiEJa.278$nG.610@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net... >> >> In article <41DJa.9429$XV.768573@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird >> >>>> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few
feet >> >>>> from people's bumpers with no lights on? >> >> >> >>> Burglary in progress. >> >> >> >> Or just because he feels like it. I've seen the ISP just go
trolling >> >> in this manner. >> > You have a stupid answer for everything, don't you....... You're
the >> > kind that never takes responsibility for your own >> > actions........always some else's fault...... see million like
you >> > before.... >> >> So waht part of Brent getting tailgated is his fault that he isn't taking >> responsibility for? > > He probably needed to move out of the way. I always move right, cept when I am endangered. The last time I was tailgated by a cop it was the result of his ~40-45mph closing speed (I was going 45mph, so that makes his speed 85-90mph) and moving right under those circumstances would have got me hit for sure. (I was in a passing manuver at the time too) Sometimes the cops follow my lane change and continue to tailgate. Sometimes they go on. Sometimes there is no other lane (two lane road) and they don't have their lights on so I stay put. Got any other clever statements? Yeah, just keep your eyes open in your rear view mirror. I have that problem too. Just as I'm about to pass, someone always wants to jump in front and I have to slam on the brakes. Perhaps you should have your lights and siren on then, if you're exceeding the speed limit.

Again, turning the lights on or the siren on is not required and/or needed
all the time and is perfectly legal. People need to check their rear view
mirrors before they switch lanes not only for traffic to the side, but to
estimate the speed of a vehicle approaching them from behind. I don't ever
turn my lights on when catching up to a violator because I want to be able
to observe the behavior of the occupants as soon as they realize they're
being stopped. It's as much for officer safety as it is for watching to see
if they're stashing something. To help facilitate that, people need to stay
out of the left lane unless they're passing and I always drive with due care
as required by law.

--

jaybird

I am not the cause of your problems. I am the result of your actions...
Your life is not my fault.

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In article <tqPKa.42180$TJ.1540298@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird wrote:
Again, turning the lights on or the siren on is not required and/or needed all the time and is perfectly legal. People need to check their rear view mirrors before they switch lanes not only for traffic to the side, but to estimate the speed of a vehicle approaching them from behind.

I can do that all very fing well. I checked, no one. I moved over,
passed, checked to return, guy I was passing accelerated. looked forward
for a second looked back, cop gaining on me with a 45mph closing speed.
Running with the rollers OFF. I detected him at the LIMIT of visability,
but he was still on me in about a second and half. Why? Because he was
going 90mph where he shouldn't have been. Sure it would have been a hell
of alot better if I was doing the typical 55mph or so the road normally
supports, but it was a late weekend night so the revenue patrol is in
top gear. (posted limit 45mph)

I don't ever turn my lights on when catching up to a violator because I want to be able to observe the behavior of the occupants as soon as they realize they're being stopped. It's as much for officer safety as it is for watching to see if they're stashing something. To help facilitate that, people need to stay out of the left lane unless they're passing and I always drive with due care as required by law.

Be sure to endanger people for that 'beyond the stop' bonus.

"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:h4QKa.30183$XG4.22362@rwcrnsc53... In article <tqPKa.42180$TJ.1540298@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird wrote: Again, turning the lights on or the siren on is not required and/or
needed all the time and is perfectly legal. People need to check their rear
view mirrors before they switch lanes not only for traffic to the side, but
to estimate the speed of a vehicle approaching them from behind. I can do that all very fing well. I checked, no one. I moved over, passed, checked to return, guy I was passing accelerated. looked forward for a second looked back, cop gaining on me with a 45mph closing speed. Running with the rollers OFF. I detected him at the LIMIT of visability, but he was still on me in about a second and half. Why? Because he was going 90mph where he shouldn't have been. Sure it would have been a hell of alot better if I was doing the typical 55mph or so the road normally supports, but it was a late weekend night so the revenue patrol is in top gear. (posted limit 45mph) I don't ever turn my lights on when catching up to a violator because I want to be
able to observe the behavior of the occupants as soon as they realize they're being stopped. It's as much for officer safety as it is for watching to
see if they're stashing something. To help facilitate that, people need to
stay out of the left lane unless they're passing and I always drive with due
care as required by law. Be sure to endanger people for that 'beyond the stop' bonus.

Jaybird......you're arguing with a complete idiot......no wonder he gets
tickets..... no matter what you say it isn't good enough for him.......
Let him argue in front of a judge...then hit with contempt of
court........but you know what? He still won't learn.....
That's why cops have a job......he is what they call job security.......

In article <vfnkkdofgh1k18@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote:
Jaybird......you're arguing with a complete idiot......no wonder he gets tickets..... no matter what you say it isn't good enough for him....... Let him argue in front of a judge...then hit with contempt of court........but you know what? He still won't learn..... That's why cops have a job......he is what they call job security.......

Troll troll troll.....

Don't be a sore loser, you lost, posting crap like that above only makes
it ever more apparent you did, and removes all doubt that you are the idiot.

jaybird wrote: "Nathan Nagel" <njnagel@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3EFB65D1.226A220@earthlink.net... jaybird wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:yHHKa.26032$XG4.17433@rwcrnsc53... > In article <J0FKa.18385$XV.1280273@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird wrote: > > > > "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Gt6cnbGVIdancWejXTWJjA@comcast.com... > >> Just a Cyclist wrote: > >> > "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> > news:XiEJa.278$nG.610@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net... > >> >> In article <41DJa.9429$XV.768573@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird > >> >>>> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few feet > >> >>>> from people's bumpers with no lights on? > >> >> > >> >>> Burglary in progress. > >> >> > >> >> Or just because he feels like it. I've seen the ISP just go trolling > >> >> in this manner. > >> > You have a stupid answer for everything, don't you....... You're the > >> > kind that never takes responsibility for your own > >> > actions........always some else's fault...... see million like you > >> > before.... > >> > >> So waht part of Brent getting tailgated is his fault that he isn't taking > >> responsibility for? > > > > He probably needed to move out of the way. > > I always move right, cept when I am endangered. The last time I was > tailgated by a cop it was the result of his ~40-45mph closing speed > (I was going 45mph, so that makes his speed 85-90mph) and moving right > under those circumstances would have got me hit for sure. (I was in > a passing manuver at the time too) > > Sometimes the cops follow my lane change and continue to tailgate. > Sometimes they go on. > Sometimes there is no other lane (two lane road) and they don't have > their lights on so I stay put. > > Got any other clever statements? Yeah, just keep your eyes open in your rear view mirror. I have that problem too. Just as I'm about to pass, someone always wants to jump in front and I have to slam on the brakes. Perhaps you should have your lights and siren on then, if you're exceeding the speed limit. Again, turning the lights on or the siren on is not required and/or needed all the time and is perfectly legal.

I haven't checked TX code but that's not a true statement in MD.
People need to check their rear view mirrors before they switch lanes not only for traffic to the side, but to estimate the speed of a vehicle approaching them from behind.

I'll buy that, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect that when one
is traveling 80ish MPH that traffic will be approaching from behind at10MPH differential. It's not easy to estimate speed in a little 4" mirror... I've had to abort passes before due to crotch rocket jockeys doing high speed runs on US-50 late at night. (That hasn't happened since I moved back here though, maybe the police cracked down on such activities?)
I don't ever turn my lights on when catching up to a violator because I want to be able to observe the behavior of the occupants as soon as they realize they're being stopped.

If they're paying attention, they'll know something is up when they see
you hauling *** up behind them. They may not identify you as a cop
immediately, but they'll do *something.*
It's as much for officer safety as it is for watching to see if they're stashing something. To help facilitate that, people need to stay out of the left lane unless they're passing and I always drive with due care as required by law.

Now there's a statement I'll agree with wholeheartedly, except with the
"as required by law" part (as it is, sadly, not required here.)

nate

"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:VwQKa.32209$nG.34482@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.ne t... In article <vfnkkdofgh1k18@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote: Jaybird......you're arguing with a complete idiot......no wonder he gets tickets..... no matter what you say it isn't good enough for him....... Let him argue in front of a judge...then hit with contempt of court........but you know what? He still won't learn..... That's why cops have a job......he is what they call job security....... Troll troll troll..... Don't be a sore loser, you lost, posting crap like that above only makes it ever more apparent you did, and removes all doubt that you are the
idiot.

I didn't lose anything..........you can't argue with a mental, drunk or
junkie.......they don't hear or listen to anything.......
much like a kid on the ground covering his ears and screaming.......same
thing.

"Nathan Nagel" <njnagel@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3EFC1C5F.83C3323F@earthlink.net... jaybird wrote: "Nathan Nagel" <njnagel@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3EFB65D1.226A220@earthlink.net... jaybird wrote: > > "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:yHHKa.26032$XG4.17433@rwcrnsc53... > > In article <J0FKa.18385$XV.1280273@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird wrote: > > > > > > "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message > > > news:Gt6cnbGVIdancWejXTWJjA@comcast.com... > > >> Just a Cyclist wrote: > > >> > "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > >> > news:XiEJa.278$nG.610@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net... > > >> >> In article <41DJa.9429$XV.768573@twister.austin.rr.com>,
jaybird > > >> >>>> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a
few feet > > >> >>>> from people's bumpers with no lights on? > > >> >> > > >> >>> Burglary in progress. > > >> >> > > >> >> Or just because he feels like it. I've seen the ISP just go trolling > > >> >> in this manner. > > >> > You have a stupid answer for everything, don't you.......
You're the > > >> > kind that never takes responsibility for your own > > >> > actions........always some else's fault...... see million
like you > > >> > before.... > > >> > > >> So waht part of Brent getting tailgated is his fault that he
isn't > taking > > >> responsibility for? > > > > > > He probably needed to move out of the way. > > > > I always move right, cept when I am endangered. The last time I
was > > tailgated by a cop it was the result of his ~40-45mph closing
speed > > (I was going 45mph, so that makes his speed 85-90mph) and moving
right > > under those circumstances would have got me hit for sure. (I was
in > > a passing manuver at the time too) > > > > Sometimes the cops follow my lane change and continue to tailgate. > > Sometimes they go on. > > Sometimes there is no other lane (two lane road) and they don't
have > > their lights on so I stay put. > > > > Got any other clever statements? > > Yeah, just keep your eyes open in your rear view mirror. I have
that > problem too. Just as I'm about to pass, someone always wants to
jump in > front and I have to slam on the brakes. Perhaps you should have your lights and siren on then, if you're exceeding the speed limit. Again, turning the lights on or the siren on is not required and/or
needed all the time and is perfectly legal. I haven't checked TX code but that's not a true statement in MD. People need to check their rear view mirrors before they switch lanes not only for traffic to the side, but
to estimate the speed of a vehicle approaching them from behind. I'll buy that, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect that when one is traveling 80ish MPH that traffic will be approaching from behind at10MPH differential. It's not easy to estimate speed in a little 4"
mirror... I've had to abort passes before due to crotch rocket jockeys
doing high speed runs on US-50 late at night. (That hasn't happened since I
moved back here though, maybe the police cracked down on such activities?) I don't ever turn my lights on when catching up to a violator because I want to be
able to observe the behavior of the occupants as soon as they realize they're being stopped. If they're paying attention, they'll know something is up when they see you hauling *** up behind them. They may not identify you as a cop immediately, but they'll do *something.*


Experiance says that the majority of these people stopped who get what Brent
calls the "after stop bonus" are usually too busy lighting up the next bowl
to be watching what is coming up behind them. The driver *may* be watching
ahead, but rarely behind....

It's as much for officer safety as it is for watching to see if they're stashing something. To help facilitate that, people need to
stay out of the left lane unless they're passing and I always drive with due
care as required by law. Now there's a statement I'll agree with wholeheartedly, except with the "as required by law" part (as it is, sadly, not required here.) nate

Just a Cyclist wrote: "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Gt6cnbGVIdancWejXTWJjA@comcast.com... Just a Cyclist wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:XiEJa.278$nG.610@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...> In article <41DJa.9429$XV.768573@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird>>> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few feet>>> from people's bumpers with no lights on?>>> Burglary in progress.>> Or just because he feels like it. I've seen the ISP just go> trolling in this manner. You have a stupid answer for everything, don't you....... You're the kind that never takes responsibility for your own actions........always some else's fault...... see million like you before.... So waht part of Brent getting tailgated is his fault that he isn't taking responsibility for? Like a 6 year old boy........it's been all explain hundred times. If you can get it......go to your local Police and ask the question.....I bet you get the same answers?

Oh, so you are saying it's just a big run-around game. You tell me that
answer because that's what the cops told you, and then they will tell me go
ask someone else because it's been explained a hundred times by now, etc...

In that case yes, I understand, there is no reason whatsoever and cops are
just trying to bull**** people into believing they have a good reason to
endanger the lives of innocent motorists.

"Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:eS6dnel3X8f_52GjXTWJhQ@comcast.com... jaybird wrote: "Nathan Nagel" <njnagel@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3EFB65D1.226A220@earthlink.net... jaybird wrote:>> "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message> news:yHHKa.26032$XG4.17433@rwcrnsc53...>> In article <J0FKa.18385$XV.1280273@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird>> wrote:>>>>>> "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message>>> news:Gt6cnbGVIdancWejXTWJjA@comcast.com...>>>> Just a Cyclist wrote:>>>>> "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message>>>>> news:XiEJa.278$nG.610@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...>>>>>> In article <41DJa.9429$XV.768573@twister.austin.rr.com>,>>>>>> jaybird>>>>>>>> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few>>>>>>>> feet from people's bumpers with no lights on?>>>>>>>>>>>>> Burglary in progress.>>>>>>>>>>>> Or just because he feels like it. I've seen the ISP just go>>>>>> trolling in this manner.>>>>> You have a stupid answer for everything, don't you.......>>>>> You're the kind that never takes responsibility for your own>>>>> actions........always some else's fault...... see million like>>>>> you before....>>>>>>>> So waht part of Brent getting tailgated is his fault that he>>>> isn't taking responsibility for?>>>>>> He probably needed to move out of the way.>>>> I always move right, cept when I am endangered. The last time I was>> tailgated by a cop it was the result of his ~40-45mph closing speed>> (I was going 45mph, so that makes his speed 85-90mph) and moving>> right under those circumstances would have got me hit for sure. (I>> was in>> a passing manuver at the time too)>>>> Sometimes the cops follow my lane change and continue to tailgate.>> Sometimes they go on.>> Sometimes there is no other lane (two lane road) and they don't>> have their lights on so I stay put.>>>> Got any other clever statements?>> Yeah, just keep your eyes open in your rear view mirror. I have> that problem too. Just as I'm about to pass, someone always wants> to jump in front and I have to slam on the brakes. Perhaps you should have your lights and siren on then, if you're exceeding the speed limit. Again, turning the lights on or the siren on is not required and/or needed all the time and is perfectly legal. People need to check their rear view mirrors before they switch lanes not only for traffic to the side, but to estimate the speed of a vehicle approaching them from behind. I don't ever turn my lights on when catching up to a violator because I want to be able to observe the behavior of the occupants as soon as they realize they're being stopped. It's as much for officer safety as it is for watching to see if they're stashing something. To help facilitate that, people need to stay out of the left lane unless they're passing and I always drive with due care as required by law. That's a load of bull****. You recklessly endanger other lives by
exceeding the speed limit

Nice to see that some is finnaly getting it.......
and/or weaving through traffic to catch a violator but stubbornly refuse to use your lights or siren because there is an
off-chance that they _might_ have something which they _may_ try to stash? Come on, you're hunting for straws.

In article <vfomckqd3rri8a@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:VwQKa.32209$nG.34482@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.ne t... In article <vfnkkdofgh1k18@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote: Jaybird......you're arguing with a complete idiot......no wonder he gets tickets..... no matter what you say it isn't good enough for him....... Let him argue in front of a judge...then hit with contempt of court........but you know what? He still won't learn..... That's why cops have a job......he is what they call job security....... Troll troll troll..... Don't be a sore loser, you lost, posting crap like that above only makes it ever more apparent you did, and removes all doubt that you are the idiot. I didn't lose anything..........you can't argue with a mental, drunk or junkie.......they don't hear or listen to anything....... much like a kid on the ground covering his ears and screaming.......same thing.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:eS6dnel3X8f_52GjXTWJhQ@comcast.com... jaybird wrote: "Nathan Nagel" <njnagel@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3EFB65D1.226A220@earthlink.net... jaybird wrote:>> "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message> news:yHHKa.26032$XG4.17433@rwcrnsc53...>> In article <J0FKa.18385$XV.1280273@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird>> wrote:>>>>>> "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message>>> news:Gt6cnbGVIdancWejXTWJjA@comcast.com...>>>> Just a Cyclist wrote:>>>>> "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message>>>>> news:XiEJa.278$nG.610@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...>>>>>> In article <41DJa.9429$XV.768573@twister.austin.rr.com>,>>>>>> jaybird>>>>>>>> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few>>>>>>>> feet from people's bumpers with no lights on?>>>>>>>>>>>>> Burglary in progress.>>>>>>>>>>>> Or just because he feels like it. I've seen the ISP just go>>>>>> trolling in this manner.>>>>> You have a stupid answer for everything, don't you.......>>>>> You're the kind that never takes responsibility for your own>>>>> actions........always some else's fault...... see million like>>>>> you before....>>>>>>>> So waht part of Brent getting tailgated is his fault that he>>>> isn't taking responsibility for?>>>>>> He probably needed to move out of the way.>>>> I always move right, cept when I am endangered. The last time I was>> tailgated by a cop it was the result of his ~40-45mph closing speed>> (I was going 45mph, so that makes his speed 85-90mph) and moving>> right under those circumstances would have got me hit for sure. (I>> was in>> a passing manuver at the time too)>>>> Sometimes the cops follow my lane change and continue to tailgate.>> Sometimes they go on.>> Sometimes there is no other lane (two lane road) and they don't>> have their lights on so I stay put.>>>> Got any other clever statements?>> Yeah, just keep your eyes open in your rear view mirror. I have> that problem too. Just as I'm about to pass, someone always wants> to jump in front and I have to slam on the brakes. Perhaps you should have your lights and siren on then, if you're exceeding the speed limit. Again, turning the lights on or the siren on is not required and/or needed all the time and is perfectly legal. People need to check their rear view mirrors before they switch lanes not only for traffic to the side, but to estimate the speed of a vehicle approaching them from behind. I don't ever turn my lights on when catching up to a violator because I want to be able to observe the behavior of the occupants as soon as they realize they're being stopped. It's as much for officer safety as it is for watching to see if they're stashing something. To help facilitate that, people need to stay out of the left lane unless they're passing and I always drive with due care as required by law. That's a load of bull****. You recklessly endanger other lives by
exceeding the speed limit and/or weaving through traffic to catch a violator but stubbornly refuse to use your lights or siren because there is an
off-chance that they _might_ have something which they _may_ try to stash? Come on, you're hunting for straws.

No, I'm hunting for scrotes. I've never said that I refuse to turn on the
lights, I've merely stated the reasons why I choose not to and why I'm not
required to. At no time, with lights on or off, am I allowed to drive
without due care for other traffic on the road though. I make the
determination based on traffic conditions and the extent of the violations
and operate my vehicle accordingly to catch the violator.

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jaybird

I am not the cause of your problems. I am the result of your actions...
Your life is not my fault.

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"Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:TcKdnUkD09Df5GGjU-KYgg@comcast.com... jaybird wrote: "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Gt6cnbGVIdancWejXTWJjA@comcast.com... Just a Cyclist wrote:> "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message> news:XiEJa.278$nG.610@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...>> In article <41DJa.9429$XV.768573@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird>>>> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few feet>>>> from people's bumpers with no lights on?>>>>> Burglary in progress.>>>> Or just because he feels like it. I've seen the ISP just go>> trolling in this manner.> You have a stupid answer for everything, don't you....... You're the> kind that never takes responsibility for your own> actions........always some else's fault...... see million like you> before.... So waht part of Brent getting tailgated is his fault that he isn't taking responsibility for? He probably needed to move out of the way. If the cop had no lights on there is no reason for him to pull onto the shoulder.

Don't pull to the shoulder, just pull to the right lane. It's required by
law for any vehicle if you're not passing someone or making a left turn.
Also, why would the cop tailgate if he needed to pass as opposed to just flashing his lights or any number of other non-reckless approaches that would quickly be interpreted as such?

It depends on the situation. The best response is to stay out of the left
lane unless you're passing.

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jaybird

I am not the cause of your problems. I am the result of your actions...
Your life is not my fault.

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> It depends on the situation. The best response is to stay out of the left lane unless you're passing.
Problem is if you *are* passing, but not at a fast enough rate for the
following car (whether police car or civilian).

Ohio law does not permit exceeding the speed limit for passing. Therefore
if I'm passing a car at the limit, I may not speed up. As you point out, we
all "push" the limit by 5 to 8 mph, but the point's the same. In a 65 zone,
I'm not going to exceed about 72. So long as I'm passing (not matching
speed with the car next to me), I should be able to complete my pass and
pull right. A police car on my tail with no lights is, to say the least,
disconcerting.

BTW, if the cop came up with lights on, I wouldn't start the pass. If he
flipped the lights on in the above situation, I'd probably slow down, and
move right as soon as I could. But this might actually take longer than
completing the pass and then moving right.

Paul R

sovietjamaicanguy@spamfreezone.yahoo.ca (Ricardo) wrote in message news:<3effb095.32279313@news>... On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:29:08 GMT, Nathan Nagel <njnagel@earthlink.net> wrote:I'll buy that, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect that when oneis traveling 80ish MPH that traffic will be approaching from behind at10MPH differential. Wow, I disagree with you on something (possibly)!

Well, in this instance, I don't think so, simply because at anything
significantly over 100 MPH the sightlines just aren't there. There's
enough rolling hills that you really can't see *all* that far ahead...
It's not easy to estimate speed in a little 4" mirror... If you can see a vehicle or lights in that mirror, think "Caution!".I've had to abort passes before due to crotch rocket jockeys doing highspeed runs on US-50 late at night. ^^^^^ Ahh, now maybe I see where you're coming from...

yeah, other than the cops and the occasional biker, nobody exceeds 90
MPH... Like I said, the bikers that really scared the hell out of me
were the ones that would do top speed runs late at night... I'd check
my mirrors for a pass, see nothing, get halfway into the left lane,
and suddenly the bike that was over the hill behind me half a second
earlier would be almost in my trunk lid... Keep in mind that I'd
probably be doing about 85 at this point... some people don't have
common sense.

nate

On 30 Jun 2003, Nate Nagel wrote:
Like I said, the bikers that really scared the hell out of me were the ones that would do top speed runs late at night... I'd check my mirrors for a pass, see nothing, get halfway into the left lane, and suddenly the bike that was over the hill behind me half a second earlier would be almost in my trunk lid... Keep in mind that I'd probably be doing about 85 at this point... some people don't have common sense.

Oh, pish. All they needed was a set of loud pipes. "Loud Pipes Save Lives"
and all that. <turn, spit, wipe>

Also, most motorcycle headlamps are ****tier than most car headlamps.

DS

"jaybird" <nospam@me.com> wrote:"Nathan Nagel" <njnagel@earthlink.net> wrote in messagenews:3EFB65D1.226A220@earthlink.net... jaybird wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:yHHKa.26032$XG4.17433@rwcrnsc53... > In article <J0FKa.18385$XV.1280273@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybirdwrote: > > > > "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Gt6cnbGVIdancWejXTWJjA@comcast.com... > >> Just a Cyclist wrote: > >> > "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> > news:XiEJa.278$nG.610@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net... > >> >> In article <41DJa.9429$XV.768573@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird > >> >>>> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a fewfeet > >> >>>> from people's bumpers with no lights on? > >> >> > >> >>> Burglary in progress. > >> >> > >> >> Or just because he feels like it. I've seen the ISP just gotrolling > >> >> in this manner. > >> > You have a stupid answer for everything, don't you....... You'rethe > >> > kind that never takes responsibility for your own > >> > actions........always some else's fault...... see million likeyou > >> > before.... > >> > >> So waht part of Brent getting tailgated is his fault that he isn't taking > >> responsibility for? > > > > He probably needed to move out of the way. > > I always move right, cept when I am endangered. The last time I was > tailgated by a cop it was the result of his ~40-45mph closing speed > (I was going 45mph, so that makes his speed 85-90mph) and moving right > under those circumstances would have got me hit for sure. (I was in > a passing manuver at the time too) > > Sometimes the cops follow my lane change and continue to tailgate. > Sometimes they go on. > Sometimes there is no other lane (two lane road) and they don't have > their lights on so I stay put. > > Got any other clever statements? Yeah, just keep your eyes open in your rear view mirror. I have that problem too. Just as I'm about to pass, someone always wants to jump in front and I have to slam on the brakes. Perhaps you should have your lights and siren on then, if you're exceeding the speed limit.Again, turning the lights on or the siren on is not required and/or neededall the time and is perfectly legal. People need to check their rear viewmirrors before they switch lanes not only for traffic to the side, but toestimate the speed of a vehicle approaching them from behind.

Since it is illegal for a cop to drive unsafely, you are stating that it is
safe to close on someone at twice the limit. If it is safe for cops to
close at twice the limit with no visual indication, then it must be safe
for all of equal skill.

Marc
For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"

"Marc" <whineryy@yifan.net> wrote in message
news:8jmvfvkj9ld18fs4eaaka8i5hv94kcj59a@4ax.com... "jaybird" <nospam@me.com> wrote:"Nathan Nagel" <njnagel@earthlink.net> wrote in messagenews:3EFB65D1.226A220@earthlink.net... jaybird wrote: > > "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:yHHKa.26032$XG4.17433@rwcrnsc53... > > In article <J0FKa.18385$XV.1280273@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybirdwrote: > > > > > > "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message > > > news:Gt6cnbGVIdancWejXTWJjA@comcast.com... > > >> Just a Cyclist wrote: > > >> > "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > >> > news:XiEJa.278$nG.610@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net... > > >> >> In article <41DJa.9429$XV.768573@twister.austin.rr.com>,
jaybird > > >> >>>> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a
fewfeet > > >> >>>> from people's bumpers with no lights on? > > >> >> > > >> >>> Burglary in progress. > > >> >> > > >> >> Or just because he feels like it. I've seen the ISP just gotrolling > > >> >> in this manner. > > >> > You have a stupid answer for everything, don't you.......
You'rethe > > >> > kind that never takes responsibility for your own > > >> > actions........always some else's fault...... see million likeyou > > >> > before.... > > >> > > >> So waht part of Brent getting tailgated is his fault that he
isn't > taking > > >> responsibility for? > > > > > > He probably needed to move out of the way. > > > > I always move right, cept when I am endangered. The last time I was > > tailgated by a cop it was the result of his ~40-45mph closing speed > > (I was going 45mph, so that makes his speed 85-90mph) and moving
right > > under those circumstances would have got me hit for sure. (I was in > > a passing manuver at the time too) > > > > Sometimes the cops follow my lane change and continue to tailgate. > > Sometimes they go on. > > Sometimes there is no other lane (two lane road) and they don't
have > > their lights on so I stay put. > > > > Got any other clever statements? > > Yeah, just keep your eyes open in your rear view mirror. I have that > problem too. Just as I'm about to pass, someone always wants to jump
in > front and I have to slam on the brakes. Perhaps you should have your lights and siren on then, if you're exceeding the speed limit.Again, turning the lights on or the siren on is not required and/or
neededall the time and is perfectly legal. People need to check their rear
viewmirrors before they switch lanes not only for traffic to the side, but toestimate the speed of a vehicle approaching them from behind. Since it is illegal for a cop to drive unsafely, you are stating that it
is safe to close on someone at twice the limit. If it is safe for cops to close at twice the limit with no visual indication, then it must be safe for all of equal skill.

Nope, not what I said at all.

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jaybird

I am not the cause of your problems. I am the result of your actions...
Your life is not my fault.

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"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@engin.umich> wrote in message news:<Pine.SOL.4.44.0306301023020.18508-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu>... On 30 Jun 2003, Nate Nagel wrote: Like I said, the bikers that really scared the hell out of me were the ones that would do top speed runs late at night... I'd check my mirrors for a pass, see nothing, get halfway into the left lane, and suddenly the bike that was over the hill behind me half a second earlier would be almost in my trunk lid... Keep in mind that I'd probably be doing about 85 at this point... some people don't have common sense. Oh, pish. All they needed was a set of loud pipes. "Loud Pipes Save Lives" and all that. <turn, spit, wipe> Also, most motorcycle headlamps are ****tier than most car headlamps. DS

I thought that most motorcycles that used sealed-beam-format
headlights actually had E-codes in them? Or is that not the case?
I've never actually owned a motorcycle, although I sure wouldn't mind
a nice little Ducati...

Only argument that I can see for loud pipes helping would be in heavy
traffic, and in a situation where you could be reasonably confident
that the motorists around you would have their windows down and not be
listening to their stereos at ground-shaking volumes, two assumptions
that I would be hesitant to make. Granted, I think that the sound of
a well tuned engine is music, but I'm not about to make a "safety"
argument... even a sport bike wound out to well over 120 MPH is near
inaudible when it's approaching from behind (and near indistiguishable
from the four bikes that have already passed.)

nate