Mr Ducky wrote: I recently bought a new car and will soon be taking it on a trip out of state. Unfortunately, where I live (California) new cars don't include license plates. Instead you get a little scrap of paper and the plates arrive several months later in the mail. Will this be a problem for me in other, non-California, states? Am I going to get stopped for not having licence plates? Would it help if I brought/used the plates from my other car? (which will be parked at home)

Just leave the registration slip taped to the windshield (as it will be
when you get it from the dealer) and you shouldn't have any problem.

John David Galt <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in message news:<3EFAA613.37A3A68F@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us>... Mr Ducky wrote: I recently bought a new car and will soon be taking it on a trip out of state. Unfortunately, where I live (California) new cars don't include license plates. Instead you get a little scrap of paper and the plates arrive several months later in the mail. Will this be a problem for me in other, non-California, states? Am I going to get stopped for not having licence plates? Would it help if I brought/used the plates from my other car? (which will be parked at home) Just leave the registration slip taped to the windshield (as it will be when you get it from the dealer) and you shouldn't have any problem.

Dont be surprised if you do get stopped MULTIPLE times on your trip.
Just have your paperwork all in order when it is requested. IN NJ we
have a large temporary that you are supposed to hang in the rear
window. There are many times that I stop people that do have the temp
in the window, but with tinted windows the temp cannot be seen. If
all they give you in CA is a piece of paper then that is all that you
probably need. As long as it states the information that is needed on
it (your name, address, VIN# of the car).

Like the other said DO NOT use the plates from your other car. The
only thing that will do is probably get your car impounded for
ficticious plates.

Officers will probably ask you questions about where and when you
boght the car and so forth if they are not aware of how things are
done in CA. Just try and answer their questions...

Hope that Helps!

In article <aec2032d.0306261604.3299f03b@posting.google.com>,
sgroi@optonline.net (Andy) wrote:
John David Galt <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in message news:<3EFAA613.37A3A68F@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us>... Mr Ducky wrote: I recently bought a new car and will soon be taking it on a trip out of state. Unfortunately, where I live (California) new cars don't include license plates. Instead you get a little scrap of paper and the plates arrive several months later in the mail. Will this be a problem for me in other, non-California, states? Am I going to get stopped for not having licence plates? Would it help if I brought/used the plates from my other car? (which will be parked at home) Just leave the registration slip taped to the windshield (as it will be when you get it from the dealer) and you shouldn't have any problem. Dont be surprised if you do get stopped MULTIPLE times on your trip. Just have your paperwork all in order when it is requested. IN NJ we have a large temporary that you are supposed to hang in the rear window. There are many times that I stop people that do have the temp in the window, but with tinted windows the temp cannot be seen. If all they give you in CA is a piece of paper then that is all that you probably need. As long as it states the information that is needed on it (your name, address, VIN# of the car). Like the other said DO NOT use the plates from your other car. The only thing that will do is probably get your car impounded for ficticious plates. Officers will probably ask you questions about where and when you boght the car and so forth if they are not aware of how things are done in CA. Just try and answer their questions... Hope that Helps!
Back in the spring of 2000, My father (a california resident), traded in his
old car while visiting Florida. The car carried temp Florida plates all the way
up to Conn. and back to CA on the I-80 and not even a close look by police
the whole way. On arrival in California it was properly registered with no problems.
--
Michael LeVine - mlevine@redshift.com
"Thirty days hath September, April, June and November.
All the rest have thirty one except for Gypsy Rose Lee
and every one knew what she had" - Mel Blanc

Toastmaster wrote: Michael N. LeVine wrote: Back in the spring of 2000, My father (a california resident), traded in his old car while visiting Florida. The car carried temp Florida plates all the way up to Conn. and back to CA on the I-80 and not even a close look by police the whole way. On arrival in California it was properly registered with no problems. The difference being that Florida uses semi-official looking temp plates. If I recall (someone correct me) California just uses what is basically a dealer advertising plate with a date written on it.

California uses no plate at all. The only indication that the car is
registered is a small piece of paper taped inside the windshield,
folded over so that the owner's address can't be read from outside.

Your plates arrive in the mail, typically 6 weeks later.

sgroi@optonline.net (Andy) wrote in message news:<aec2032d.0306261604.3299f03b@posting.google.com>... Dont be surprised if you do get stopped MULTIPLE times on your trip. Like the other said DO NOT use the plates from your other car. The only thing that will do is probably get your car impounded for ficticious plates.

And, like *I* said to *him*, it *is* perfectly legal *in some states*
to transfer plates from another vehicle! Wisconsin is particularly
easy in that you need do nothing to the first vehicle except park it.
It used to be (before about 1998) even easier. All you had to do was
to *have mailed* the proper application and payment to the state and
you could stick a dealer advertising or even handwritten "LAF"
("License Applied For") hunk of cardboard on the back and it was
*perfectly legal*! We now have 30-day tags, but you don't need one if
you've already got other plates to transfer onto the car. Just mail
your application and slap 'em on!

In Ohio, where I used to live, license plates and registration also
stay with the *owner* and not with the *car*. Ohio requires a bit
more than Wisconsin: that title to the first car be assigned (not
necessarily transferred) to someone else first. But if that
requirement is satisfied, the old plates and registration *are*
transferable. Just because they aren't where *you* might happen to be
a cop doesn't by any stretch make it *universal* in the U.S.

Try impounding *my* car with *my* 'title and registration applied for'
plates on it after I've showed you the proper documentation for it to
be legally operated in my home state and all you'll do is buy yourself
an unlawful imprisonment complaint. In case you're not sure, it's the
'Interstate Commerce' and 'Full Faith & Credit' Clauses of the US
Constitution as well as a few others that requires even the People's
Sovereign Republics of New Jersey, Texas, and California to recognize
the proper vehicle registrations of other states' residents. So quit
giving out incorrect legal advice when you don't really know the
answer.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; transferred them)

C.R. Krieger wrote:
In case you're not sure, it's the 'Interstate Commerce' and 'Full Faith & Credit' Clauses of the US Constitution as well as a few others that requires even the People's Sovereign Republics of New Jersey, Texas, and California to recognize the proper vehicle registrations of other states' residents.

Actually, not. It's a compact that all 50 states agreed to, but it's
not required by the Constitution -- and it's subject to disagreements
between state laws as to which state a car should be registered in.

And there are other anomalies. For example, there was a case around
1993
in which someone stole a car, forged an Arizona registration, and sold
the car to someone who reregistered it in Minnesota. If the car is ever
caught in Arizona, it would be seized and returned to its original
owner, but the Minnesota registration is valid in Minnesota. I decline
to speculate as to which states the car would be legal in.

"Arthur L. Rubin" <ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
news:3F0189AB.3AD7@sprintmail.com... C.R. Krieger wrote: In case you're not sure, it's the 'Interstate Commerce' and 'Full Faith & Credit' Clauses of the US Constitution as well as a few others that requires even the People's Sovereign Republics of New Jersey, Texas, and California to recognize the proper vehicle registrations of other states' residents. Actually, not. It's a compact that all 50 states agreed to, but it's not required by the Constitution -- and it's subject to disagreements between state laws as to which state a car should be registered in. And there are other anomalies. For example, there was a case around 1993 in which someone stole a car, forged an Arizona registration, and sold the car to someone who reregistered it in Minnesota. If the car is ever caught in Arizona, it would be seized and returned to its original owner, but the Minnesota registration is valid in Minnesota. I decline to speculate as to which states the car would be legal in.

The MN registration can't be valid since the vehicle is stolen. The only way
the vehicle would be legal in any state is for the vehicle to be recovered,
return to its' rightfull owner and registered in thier name(again?)

"john wardle" <you@spammers.suck> wrote in message news:<s2jMa.31445$3o3.2299621@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Arthur L. Rubin" <ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote in message news:3F0189AB.3AD7@sprintmail.com... For example, there was a case around 1993 in which someone stole a car, forged an Arizona registration, and sold the car to someone who reregistered it in Minnesota. If the car is ever caught in Arizona, it would be seized and returned to its original owner, but the Minnesota registration is valid in Minnesota. I decline to speculate as to which states the car would be legal in. The MN registration can't be valid since the vehicle is stolen. The only way the vehicle would be legal in any state is for the vehicle to be recovered, return to its' rightfull owner and registered in thier name(again?)

There are several states in which the registration and titling laws
have some 'issues' allowing one to get a vehicle registered and titled
when, by rights, maybe it shouldn't have been. It's called 'title
laundering' and it's been around as long as cars have been titled
property.

Sometimes, it's to clear up the nasty-sounding 'salvage title' or
'junk title' that some states issue and sometimes it's to cover up
outright fraud, like the above. Because some states may take a very
pragmatic approach to allowing their citizens to get operating
vehicles on the roads, it may be essentially a matter of presenting a
car you purportedly own and asking for a title or registration for it.
In the east, Tennessee was known for this for a long time.

The problem is one of how the law regards a 'bona fide purchaser' in
that particular state. In order to protect them, if a title that
appears *on its face* to be good is accepted, then the purchaser is
*usually* protected against unrecorded claims against that title. But
I'm not doing *that* whole law school lecture ...
--
C.R. Krieger
"Trust me; I'm a lawyer."

"john wardle" <you@spammers.suck> wrote in message news:<s2jMa.31445$3o3.2299621@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Arthur L. Rubin" <ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote in message news:3F0189AB.3AD7@sprintmail.com...
And there are other anomalies. For example, there was a case around 1993 in which someone stole a car, forged an Arizona registration, and sold the car to someone who reregistered it in Minnesota. If the car is ever caught in Arizona, it would be seized and returned to its original owner, but the Minnesota registration is valid in Minnesota. I decline to speculate as to which states the car would be legal in. The MN registration can't be valid since the vehicle is stolen. The only way the vehicle would be legal in any state is for the vehicle to be recovered, return to its' rightfull owner and registered in thier name(again?)

It was ruled valid under MN law.

"Arthur L. Rubin" <ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
news:4e6ea60c.0307011443.5be41011@posting.google.c om... "john wardle" <you@spammers.suck> wrote in message
news:<s2jMa.31445$3o3.2299621@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Arthur L. Rubin" <ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote in message news:3F0189AB.3AD7@sprintmail.com... And there are other anomalies. For example, there was a case around 1993 in which someone stole a car, forged an Arizona registration, and sold the car to someone who reregistered it in Minnesota. If the car is
ever caught in Arizona, it would be seized and returned to its original owner, but the Minnesota registration is valid in Minnesota. I
decline to speculate as to which states the car would be legal in. The MN registration can't be valid since the vehicle is stolen. The only
way the vehicle would be legal in any state is for the vehicle to be
recovered, return to its' rightfull owner and registered in thier name(again?) It was ruled valid under MN law.

I'm still not understanding how a vehicle reported as stolen (NCIC flagged?)
could have a "valid" registration by anyone other than the true owner. Would
seem to me that a stop in any state would result in the driver at a minimum
being questioned about the stolen car prior to having it seized and returned
to the rightful owner.

warp2_shadow@yahoo.com (C.R. Krieger) wrote:"john wardle" <you@spammers.suck> wrote in message news:<s2jMa.31445$3o3.2299621@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Arthur L. Rubin" <ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote in message news:3F0189AB.3AD7@sprintmail.com... For example, there was a case around 1993 in which someone stole a car, forged an Arizona registration, and sold the car to someone who reregistered it in Minnesota. If the car is ever caught in Arizona, it would be seized and returned to its original owner, but the Minnesota registration is valid in Minnesota. I decline to speculate as to which states the car would be legal in. The MN registration can't be valid since the vehicle is stolen. The only way the vehicle would be legal in any state is for the vehicle to be recovered, return to its' rightfull owner and registered in thier name(again?)There are several states in which the registration and titling lawshave some 'issues' allowing one to get a vehicle registered and titledwhen, by rights, maybe it shouldn't have been. It's called 'titlelaundering' and it's been around as long as cars have been titledproperty.Sometimes, it's to clear up the nasty-sounding 'salvage title' or'junk title' that some states issue and sometimes it's to cover upoutright fraud, like the above. Because some states may take a verypragmatic approach to allowing their citizens to get operatingvehicles on the roads, it may be essentially a matter of presenting acar you purportedly own and asking for a title or registration for it. In the east, Tennessee was known for this for a long time.The problem is one of how the law regards a 'bona fide purchaser' inthat particular state. In order to protect them, if a title thatappears *on its face* to be good is accepted, then the purchaser is*usually* protected against unrecorded claims against that title. ButI'm not doing *that* whole law school lecture ...

Now we'll have to get title insurance on our car transactions. It's bad
enough when you are buying your house from yourself (i.e. a refinance) and
you have to pay title insurance, when you did so for the previous
transaction when you bought the house...

Marc
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