In article <vfhnrngnuubj3f@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote:
Bull. What the state governments say is not relevant, what actual data says is. On some chicago area interstates there is sometimes 80 mph traffic flow. There is no unsual rate of collisions to the best of my knowledge.
Just try to explain that to the Judge..........I would give my eye teeth to be standing there when you said that!

A traffic court judge is irrelevant to the discussion. The discussion is,
if the speed is unsafe why do police cruise at that speed with no emergency
to go to? If the speed is safe, why are people ticketed for less?

Why won't these open up.........??????????? tried and nothing happens???????????/

I am not here to teach you how to use a web browser.

"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:B17Ka.10353$R73.2674@sccrnsc04... In article <vfhnrngnuubj3f@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote: Bull. What the state governments say is not relevant, what actual data says is. On some chicago area interstates there is sometimes 80 mph traffic flow. There is no unsual rate of collisions to the best of my knowledge. Just try to explain that to the Judge..........I would give my eye teeth
to be standing there when you said that! A traffic court judge is irrelevant to the discussion.
No it isn't.... I loved to hear a Judge give you an explanation of unsafe
speed........that's why its relevant!
The discussion is, if the speed is unsafe why do police cruise at that speed with no
emergency to go to?
How do you know there is no emergency???? Do they tell you that?
If the speed is safe, why are people ticketed for less?
What you think is safe and what the state thinks is safe is obviously
different...... The state wins...... Remember it is a privledge to drive,
not a right...... if you don't believe me call your local Dept. of Motor
Vehicles and ask them.. When they issue your license........it is
stated...... In California it is....for sure! Why won't these open up.........??????????? tried and nothing happens???????????/ I am not here to teach you how to use a web browser.

because.........they are true? it doesn't open up.......there for I can read
what you call is proof......

In article <vfi2c2klh2pd8d@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message In article <vfhnrngnuubj3f@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote:
> Bull. What the state governments say is not relevant, what actual> data says is. On some chicago area interstates there is sometimes 80> mph traffic flow. There is no unsual rate of collisions to the best> of my knowledge.
Just try to explain that to the Judge..........I would give my eye teeth to be standing there when you said that!
A traffic court judge is irrelevant to the discussion.
No it isn't.... I loved to hear a Judge give you an explanation of unsafe speed........that's why its relevant!

The judge not going to have any experience in road design, vehicle dynamics,
or anything else to make an engineering judgement of a safe speed. He
just takes what the cop says and rubber stamps it wrt speed.
The discussion is, if the speed is unsafe why do police cruise at that speed with no emergency to go to?
How do you know there is no emergency???? Do they tell you that?

Easy. I follow them for miles and miles watch their speed vary up and
down, latch on to a bumper, unlatch, speed up, see a new person speed up
some more, latch on, rinse repeat.
If the speed is safe, why are people ticketed for less? What you think is safe and what the state thinks is safe is obviously different...... The state wins...... Remember it is a privledge to drive, not a right...... if you don't believe me call your local Dept. of Motor Vehicles and ask them.. When they issue your license........it is stated...... In California it is....for sure!

So you have no explaination other than to claim that cops are above the
law. Nice. Now you understand why people have a lack of respect for cops
when it comes to this issue.

Why won't these open up.........??????????? tried and nothing happens???????????/ I am not here to teach you how to use a web browser.
because.........they are true? it doesn't open up.......there for I can read what you call is proof......

Try cut and paste. They work for me and everyone else.

On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:31:29 -0700, "Just a Cyclist" <popo@copwatch.com>
"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:B17Ka.10353$R73.2674@sccrnsc04... In article <vfhnrngnuubj3f@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote:> Bull. What the state governments say is not relevant, what actual> data says is. On some chicago area interstates there is sometimes 80> mph traffic flow. There is no unsual rate of collisions to the best> of my knowledge. Just try to explain that to the Judge..........I would give my eye teethto be standing there when you said that! A traffic court judge is irrelevant to the discussion.No it isn't.... I loved to hear a Judge give you an explanation of unsafespeed........that's why its relevant! The discussion is, if the speed is unsafe why do police cruise at that speed with noemergency to go to?How do you know there is no emergency???? Do they tell you that?If the speed is safe, why are people ticketed for less?What you think is safe and what the state thinks is safe is obviouslydifferent...... The state wins...... Remember it is a privledge to drive,not a right...... if you don't believe me call your local Dept. of MotorVehicles and ask them.. When they issue your license........it isstated...... In California it is....for sure! Why won't these open up.........??????????? tried and nothing happens???????????/ I am not here to teach you how to use a web browser.because.........they are true? it doesn't open up.......there for I can readwhat you call is proof......


You're not the brightest bulb on the christmas tree, are you CuCu?

Have you clicked on them?

If that doesn't work you need to configure your newsreader so it knows
what web browser to open up.

There's a project for your retirement. Figure out how to use your
computer.

On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:31:29 -0700, Just a Cyclist wrote:
I am not here to teach you how to use a web browser. because.........they are true? it doesn't open up.......there for I can read what you call is proof......

They open up just fine.

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:14:25 GMT, "jaybird" <nospam@me.com> wrote:
"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:rr8Ka.13735$nG.17208@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp .att.net... In article <vfi2c2klh2pd8d@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote:
No it isn't.... I loved to hear a Judge give you an explanation of unsafe speed........that's why its relevant! The judge not going to have any experience in road design, vehicle dynamics, or anything else to make an engineering judgement of a safe speed. He just takes what the cop says and rubber stamps it wrt speed.Actually the judge will take what the law says and make sure that the copcan prove the elements of the offense.

The judge is interested in what is legal, not what is safe. There is
sometimes a significant difference.
If the speed is safe, why are people ticketed for less? What you think is safe and what the state thinks is safe is obviously different...... The state wins...... Remember it is a privledge to drive, not a right...... if you don't believe me call your local Dept. of Motor Vehicles and ask them.. When they issue your license........it is stated...... In California it is....for sure! So you have no explaination other than to claim that cops are above the law. Nice. Now you understand why people have a lack of respect for cops when it comes to this issue.What he's saying is true. It is a privilege to drive, whereas the cops arethere to regulate that privilege. They're not above the law, they justenforce it.

And if those who are charged with enforcing it regularly ignore it
when they don't need to, then they are indeed acting as if they are
above the law.
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Definition of "Lottery":
Millions of stupid people contributing
to make one stupid person look smart.

"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:rr8Ka.13735$nG.17208@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.ne t... In article <vfi2c2klh2pd8d@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message In article <vfhnrngnuubj3f@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote: >> Bull. What the state governments say is not relevant, what actual >> data says is. On some chicago area interstates there is sometimes 80 >> mph traffic flow. There is no unsual rate of collisions to the best >> of my knowledge. > Just try to explain that to the Judge..........I would give my eye
teeth to > be standing there when you said that! A traffic court judge is irrelevant to the discussion. No it isn't.... I loved to hear a Judge give you an explanation of
unsafe speed........that's why its relevant! The judge not going to have any experience in road design, vehicle
dynamics, or anything else to make an engineering judgement of a safe speed. He just takes what the cop says and rubber stamps it wrt speed.

I disagree........ a traffic judge is usually well verse in the subject.....
Of course if it's a one horse town in Nevada or etc. The discussion is, if the speed is unsafe why do police cruise at that speed with no
emergency to go to? How do you know there is no emergency???? Do they tell you that? Easy. I follow them for miles and miles watch their speed vary up and down, latch on to a bumper, unlatch, speed up, see a new person speed up some more, latch on, rinse repeat.

Ok........but be careful.... That highly illegal.......chasing emergency
vehicles can get you into big trouble... Well at least in Calf. it can... I
don't know about where you live. If the speed is safe, why are people ticketed for less? What you think is safe and what the state thinks is safe is obviously different...... The state wins...... Remember it is a privledge to
drive, not a right...... if you don't believe me call your local Dept. of Motor Vehicles and ask them.. When they issue your license........it is stated...... In California it is....for sure! So you have no explaination other than to claim that cops are above the law. Nice.
Wrong.....cops aren't above the law........I didn't say that and please
don't put your words in my mouth.
If you read the vehicle codes of emergency vehicles.................they are
exempt from some laws when they are operating under special
conditions.........

Now you understand why people have a lack of respect for cops

No I don't because you tried to put your words in my mouth.........which I
completely disagree with. when it comes to this issue. > Why won't these open up.........??????????? tried and nothing > happens???????????/ I am not here to teach you how to use a web browser. because.........they are true? it doesn't open up.......there for I can
read what you call is proof...... Try cut and paste. They work for me and everyone else.

In article <vfjbb7408f6183@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote:
The judge not going to have any experience in road design, vehicle dynamics, or anything else to make an engineering judgement of a safe speed. He just takes what the cop says and rubber stamps it wrt speed.
I disagree........ a traffic judge is usually well verse in the subject..... Of course if it's a one horse town in Nevada or etc.

Well versed in speed kills propaganda perhaps. But I doubt any traffic
court judge knows or understands the 85th percentile method.
How do you know there is no emergency???? Do they tell you that?
Easy. I follow them for miles and miles watch their speed vary up and down, latch on to a bumper, unlatch, speed up, see a new person speed up some more, latch on, rinse repeat.
Ok........but be careful.... That highly illegal.......chasing emergency vehicles can get you into big trouble... Well at least in Calf. it can... I don't know about where you live.

They aren't on a call. Just driving. I continue on my intended course I
simply don't pass them.

If the speed is safe, why are people ticketed for less? What you think is safe and what the state thinks is safe is obviously different...... The state wins...... Remember it is a privledge to drive, not a right...... if you don't believe me call your local Dept. of Motor Vehicles and ask them.. When they issue your license........it is stated...... In California it is....for sure!
So you have no explaination other than to claim that cops are above the law. Nice.
Wrong.....cops aren't above the law........I didn't say that and please don't put your words in my mouth.

The net sum of what you boys are saying is exactly that.
If you read the vehicle codes of emergency vehicles.................they are exempt from some laws when they are operating under special conditions.........

They aren't operating under 'special conditions', simply driving from A to
B like me.
Now you understand why people have a lack of respect for cops when it comes to this issue.
No I don't because you tried to put your words in my mouth.........which I completely disagree with.

Ok, you don't understand, let me map it out for you. In light traffic
moving in the low 70mph area a driver is pulled over and ticketed for
74mph. So he decides to drive the speed limit (55mph) from there on.
Each time he goes out a police cruiser or two will pass him between
75 and 85mph. There is clearly no call. The officer's behavior shows
that he is simply cruising along.

"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:LyiKa.17138$e26.12882@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.n et... In article <RehKa.28810$TJ.1270289@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message > No it isn't.... I loved to hear a Judge give you an explanation of
unsafe > speed........that's why its relevant! The judge not going to have any experience in road design, vehicle
dynamics, or anything else to make an engineering judgement of a safe speed. He just takes what the cop says and rubber stamps it wrt speed. Actually the judge will take what the law says and make sure that the
cop can prove the elements of the offense. Come to a NE IL traffic court sometime, but you are correct that the judge makes no judgement as to what is safe. > If the speed is safe, why are people ticketed for less? > What you think is safe and what the state thinks is safe is obviously > different...... The state wins...... Remember it is a privledge to
drive, > not a right...... if you don't believe me call your local Dept. of
Motor > Vehicles and ask them.. When they issue your license........it is > stated...... In California it is....for sure! So you have no explaination other than to claim that cops are above the law. Nice. Now you understand why people have a lack of respect for
cops when it comes to this issue. What he's saying is true. It is a privilege to drive, whereas the cops
are there to regulate that privilege. They're not above the law, they just enforce it. But do not have to obey it and do not. That's above the law.

Like I said before there are bad apples in every bunch......but in general
NO the arent' and don't

You just have to get that chip off your shoulder and realize.....what real
life is like on the street.....

"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:AGiKa.17409$nG.20830@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.ne t... In article <vfjbb7408f6183@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote: The judge not going to have any experience in road design, vehicle
dynamics, or anything else to make an engineering judgement of a safe speed. He just takes what the cop says and rubber stamps it wrt speed. I disagree........ a traffic judge is usually well verse in the
subject..... Of course if it's a one horse town in Nevada or etc. Well versed in speed kills propaganda perhaps. But I doubt any traffic court judge knows or understands the 85th percentile method.
Your doubt is wrong.......they are schooled in it before they become a
traffic judge. I speaking for larger metro areas.
The one horse town......I won't speak for. > How do you know there is no emergency???? Do they tell you that? Easy. I follow them for miles and miles watch their speed vary up and down, latch on to a bumper, unlatch, speed up, see a new person speed
up some more, latch on, rinse repeat. Ok........but be careful.... That highly illegal.......chasing emergency vehicles can get you into big trouble... Well at least in Calf. it
can... I don't know about where you live. They aren't on a call. Just driving. I continue on my intended course I simply don't pass them.
How do you know? becareful.........just a warning......it will come back
and bite you! > If the speed is safe, why are people ticketed for less? > What you think is safe and what the state thinks is safe is obviously > different...... The state wins...... Remember it is a privledge to
drive, > not a right...... if you don't believe me call your local Dept. of
Motor > Vehicles and ask them.. When they issue your license........it is > stated...... In California it is....for sure! So you have no explaination other than to claim that cops are above the law. Nice. Wrong.....cops aren't above the law........I didn't say that and please don't put your words in my mouth. The net sum of what you boys are saying is exactly that.
Wrong......don't put words in my mouth please........ If you read the vehicle codes of emergency vehicles.................they
are exempt from some laws when they are operating under special conditions......... They aren't operating under 'special conditions', simply driving from A to B like me.

You know I'm not there and I can't speak for them.........so what's the
point of bringing up here?
It would be like me saying something and your not here to see........point
less......
You don't know what there doing, if you do and you can mind read....... you
should be doing something else beside being on the newsgroup.. with that you
could make tons of money. But like 99.9% of the people you can't mind read. Now you understand why people have a lack of respect for cops when it comes to this issue. No I don't because you tried to put your words in my mouth.........which
I completely disagree with. Ok, you don't understand, let me map it out for you. In light traffic moving in the low 70mph area a driver is pulled over and ticketed for 74mph.

So he decides to drive the speed limit (55mph) from there on. Each time he goes out a police cruiser or two will pass him between 75 and 85mph.
First off.......in court they would ask you are you trained in estimating
speeds.......(which traffic officers go through)
Secondly you don't know what the officers is doing....... third it could be
he is going to fast...I will not justify that.....but not all police do
that, a few.....then what you do like most complainers......call the dept.
give the car number location of what you say......file a complaint.......see
what happens!
There is clearly no call. The officer's behavior shows that he is simply cruising along.

"John David Galt" <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in message
news:3EF9BD0F.DFF678C8@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us.. . Just a Cyclist wrote:> If the speed is safe, why are people ticketed for less? "John David Galt" <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote Because speed laws are determined by panicky assholes who are too lazy and irresponsible to stop their kids from playing in the street. Just a Cyclist wrote: Then get off your butt and change them and stop crying like those kids
that play in the street. What a dumb**** comment. It's not in my power to change speed limits. People elect legislators based on whatever issue they care about most, which is almost never driving. Then, even if your candidate wins and keeps his promises, you're just stuck with whatever he does on other issues. The notion that ordinary people can or should change the law is just dimwitted.

No it isn't........how do you think laws get changed........people who are
lazy don't get things done......
It shows just how people really don't use the system as it is set up.

In article <vfjoeqlh15in4d@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote:
Like I said before there are bad apples in every bunch......but in general NO the arent' and don't

Then that would be every ISP officer I've seen driving in the last 3 years
or so.
You just have to get that chip off your shoulder and realize.....what real life is like on the street.....

'Chip' ? I am just telling you what real life is like on the street where
I am. 55mph limits that are ignored by *EVERYONE* including the cops.

"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vynKa.17251$Fy6.6561@sccrnsc03... In article <vfjos62e7ppve0@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message Well versed in speed kills propaganda perhaps. But I doubt any traffic court judge knows or understands the 85th percentile method. Your doubt is wrong.......they are schooled in it before they become a traffic judge. I speaking for larger metro areas. The one horse town......I won't speak for. Bullcrap. They might get a speed kills blood on the highway training but nothing regarding actual traffic engineering. If they did they would have to dismiss nearly every traffic ticket.

You know talking to you is like talking to a brick wall........nothing sinks
in, even when you try to reasonable.
So will end this discussion.....because we could go on to the end of time
with it....... you pay for your tickets and I will keep on truckn'.... >> > How do you know there is no emergency???? Do they tell you that? >> Easy. I follow them for miles and miles watch their speed vary up
and >> down, latch on to a bumper, unlatch, speed up, see a new person
speed up >> some more, latch on, rinse repeat. > Ok........but be careful.... That highly illegal.......chasing
emergency > vehicles can get you into big trouble... Well at least in Calf. it
can... I > don't know about where you live. They aren't on a call. Just driving. I continue on my intended course I simply don't pass them. How do you know? becareful.........just a warning......it will come
back and bite you! No lights. driving as I described. Of course to those like you, just make up a reason on the fly. Why is it so hard to admit that they are driving a safe and reasonable speed ?
I not going to admit to something I wasn't a part of........you keep being
juvenile and pay your tickets....
You are not to reason with so it's your bag of tickets to pay for......

You can lead them to the water.......but you can't make them drink! >> > If the speed is safe, why are people ticketed for less? >> > What you think is safe and what the state thinks is safe is
obviously >> > different...... The state wins...... Remember it is a privledge to
drive, >> > not a right...... if you don't believe me call your local Dept. of
Motor >> > Vehicles and ask them.. When they issue your license........it is >> > stated...... In California it is....for sure! >> So you have no explaination other than to claim that cops are above
the >> law. Nice. > Wrong.....cops aren't above the law........I didn't say that and
please > don't put your words in my mouth. The net sum of what you boys are saying is exactly that. Wrong......don't put words in my mouth please........ You are saying that police officers don't have to obey the law, only citizens. Do the math.
Again I never said that.........wake up an read......no wonder you are in
the fix your in..

Why don't you just go punch a cop in the face....see what happens and start
crying about it.......geezzzzzeeee > If you read the vehicle codes of emergency
vehicles.................they are > exempt from some laws when they are operating under special > conditions......... They aren't operating under 'special conditions', simply driving from A
to B like me. You know I'm not there and I can't speak for them.........so what's the point of bringing up here? It would be like me saying something and your not here to
see........point less...... You don't know what there doing, if you do and you can mind read.......
you should be doing something else beside being on the newsgroup.. with that
you could make tons of money. But like 99.9% of the people you can't mind
read. Let's see. cop driving 75-80 mph in a 75mph traffic stream. Just going along normally, no lights, nothing. occasionally getting curious about one driver or another. Obviously he's not 'rushing' anywhere.
Again you just don't get it through that thick skull of yours......keep
paying your tickets........I give up on reasoning with you! >> Now you understand why people have a lack of respect for cops >> when it comes to this issue. > No I don't because you tried to put your words in my
mouth.........which I > completely disagree with. Ok, you don't understand, let me map it out for you. In light traffic moving in the low 70mph area a driver is pulled over and ticketed for 74mph. So he decides to drive the speed limit (55mph) from there on. Each time he goes out a police cruiser or two will pass him between 75 and 85mph. First off.......in court they would ask you are you trained in
estimating speeds.......(which traffic officers go through) Diversion. The speedo in the car may not be calibrated but this isn't 2mph over here, it's 20 to 30.
Your useless......... Secondly you don't know what the officers is doing....... third it could
be he is going to fast...I will not justify that.....but not all police do that, a few..... I haven't seen an ISP cruiser at or below the speed limit that wasn't latched on to someone's bumper in years.
Years......from the way you talk, you're no older than 23 years
old.........if you are you sound like a 16 year old. then what you do like most complainers......call the dept. give the car number location of what you say......file a
complaint.......see what happens! I've tried on the worst ones. Relating the story you boys told me to stay out of his business.
Well...........take the hint.......how many times do you have to be
told......
They are probably so sick of hearing you belly aching........grow up!

In article <vfk6puglcrmmc9@corp.supernews.com>, Just a Cyclist wrote:
You know talking to you is like talking to a brick wall........nothing sinks in, even when you try to reasonable.

You haven't been reasonable and haven't supported your arguements.
So will end this discussion.....because we could go on to the end of time with it....... you pay for your tickets and I will keep on truckn'....

It isn't about "my tickets" it's this sort of assholish commentary
you make to divert from the topic that is annoying. It's about the
hyprocisy, the double standard, and the one that is constantly defended
with far-fetched what if's when it simply comes down to that the cops
are driving like EVERYONE ELSE at a REASONABLE SPEED.
No lights. driving as I described. Of course to those like you, just make up a reason on the fly. Why is it so hard to admit that they are driving a safe and reasonable speed ?
I not going to admit to something I wasn't a part of........you keep being juvenile and pay your tickets.... You are not to reason with so it's your bag of tickets to pay for...... You can lead them to the water.......but you can't make them drink!

You have no counter arguements so you dive into personal attack. Lame.
You are saying that police officers don't have to obey the law, only citizens. Do the math.
Again I never said that.........wake up an read......no wonder you are in the fix your in..

I have read it. That's the net sum of your comments, they can because
they are cops.
Why don't you just go punch a cop in the face....see what happens and start crying about it.......geezzzzzeeee

So you have no counterpoint, just diversion. You might as well discuss
fighting space aliens and decloaking klingon birds of prey.
Let's see. cop driving 75-80 mph in a 75mph traffic stream. Just going along normally, no lights, nothing. occasionally getting curious about one driver or another. Obviously he's not 'rushing' anywhere.
Again you just don't get it through that thick skull of yours......keep paying your tickets........I give up on reasoning with you!

You are non-responsive and diversionary as usual. Fact remains, the
ISP officers cruise at speeds greater than what they ticket for.
> Ok, you don't understand, let me map it out for you. In light traffic> moving in the low 70mph area a driver is pulled over and ticketed for> 74mph. So he decides to drive the speed limit (55mph) from there on.> Each time he goes out a police cruiser or two will pass him between> 75 and 85mph.
First off.......in court they would ask you are you trained in estimating speeds.......(which traffic officers go through)
Diversion. The speedo in the car may not be calibrated but this isn't 2mph over here, it's 20 to 30.
Your useless.........

You have no counter arguement, so again you resort to personal attack.
Secondly you don't know what the officers is doing....... third it could be he is going to fast...I will not justify that.....but not all police do that, a few.....
I haven't seen an ISP cruiser at or below the speed limit that wasn't latched on to someone's bumper in years.
Years......from the way you talk, you're no older than 23 years old.........if you are you sound like a 16 year old.

Once again, personal attack, no counter arguement.
then what you do like most complainers......call the dept. give the car number location of what you say......file a complaint.......see what happens!
I've tried on the worst ones. Relating the story you boys told me to stay out of his business.
Well...........take the hint.......how many times do you have to be told...... They are probably so sick of hearing you belly aching........grow up!

No counter arguement presented.

Just a Cyclist wrote: "John David Galt" <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in message news:3EF9BD0F.DFF678C8@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us.. .> Just a Cyclist wrote:>> If the speed is safe, why are people ticketed for less? "John David Galt" <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote> Because speed laws are determined by panicky assholes who are too lazy> and irresponsible to stop their kids from playing in the street. Just a Cyclist wrote: Then get off your butt and change them and stop crying like those kids that play in the street. What a dumb**** comment. It's not in my power to change speed limits. People elect legislators based on whatever issue they care about most, which is almost never driving. Then, even if your candidate wins and keeps his promises, you're just stuck with whatever he does on other issues. The notion that ordinary people can or should change the law is just dimwitted. No it isn't........how do you think laws get changed........people who are lazy don't get things done...... It shows just how people really don't use the system as it is set up.

That's just a cop-out so you can blame the victim. FOAD.

Just a Cyclist wrote: "John David Galt" <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in message news:3EF9BD0F.DFF678C8@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us.. .> Just a Cyclist wrote:>> If the speed is safe, why are people ticketed for less? "John David Galt" <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote> Because speed laws are determined by panicky assholes who are too> lazy and irresponsible to stop their kids from playing in the> street. Just a Cyclist wrote: Then get off your butt and change them and stop crying like those kids that play in the street. What a dumb**** comment. It's not in my power to change speed limits. People elect legislators based on whatever issue they care about most, which is almost never driving. Then, even if your candidate wins and keeps his promises, you're just stuck with whatever he does on other issues. The notion that ordinary people can or should change the law is just dimwitted. No it isn't........how do you think laws get changed........people who are lazy don't get things done...... It shows just how people really don't use the system as it is set up.

Okay, since you know so much about "the system" then why don't you explain
to us in detail how we go about getting traffic laws (namely speed limits,
as that is the topic of this thread) changed. Lord knows the vast majority
of people vote for higher speed limits with their feet, so if it were as
simple as you seem to think it is, we would see higher speed limits
everywhere. So please, tell us how to change traffic law.

Cory

"John David Galt" <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in message
news:3EFAA45B.9256694@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us... Just a Cyclist wrote: "John David Galt" <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in message news:3EF9BD0F.DFF678C8@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us.. . >> Just a Cyclist wrote: >>> If the speed is safe, why are people ticketed for less? > "John David Galt" <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote >> Because speed laws are determined by panicky assholes who are too
lazy >> and irresponsible to stop their kids from playing in the street. Just a Cyclist wrote: > Then get off your butt and change them and stop crying like those
kids that > play in the street. What a dumb**** comment. It's not in my power to change speed limits. People elect legislators based on whatever issue they care about most, which is almost never driving. Then, even if your candidate wins and keeps his promises, you're just stuck with whatever he does on other issues. The notion that ordinary people can or should change the law is just dimwitted. No it isn't........how do you think laws get changed........people who
are lazy don't get things done...... It shows just how people really don't use the system as it is set up. That's just a cop-out so you can blame the victim. FOAD.

No it isn't grow up and except the real world.........take the blame for
your own stupidity.....

Just a Cyclist wrote: "John David Galt" <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in message news:3EFAA45B.9256694@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us... Just a Cyclist wrote: "John David Galt" <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in message news:3EF9BD0F.DFF678C8@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us.. .>>> Just a Cyclist wrote:>>>> If the speed is safe, why are people ticketed for less?>>> "John David Galt" <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote>>> Because speed laws are determined by panicky assholes who are>>> too lazy and irresponsible to stop their kids from playing in>>> the street.>> Just a Cyclist wrote:>> Then get off your butt and change them and stop crying like those>> kids that play in the street.>> What a dumb**** comment. It's not in my power to change speed> limits. People elect legislators based on whatever issue they care> about most, which is almost never driving. Then, even if your> candidate wins and keeps his promises, you're just stuck with> whatever he does on other issues. The notion that ordinary people> can or should change the law is just dimwitted. No it isn't........how do you think laws get changed........people who are lazy don't get things done...... It shows just how people really don't use the system as it is set up. That's just a cop-out so you can blame the victim. FOAD. No it isn't grow up and except the real world.........take the blame for your own stupidity.....

Oh, kinda like _your_ own stupidity... And I quote:

"No it isn't grow up and except the real world."

Weren't wearing your helmet when that undertaker struck you, eh?