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Nathan Nagel
06-24-2003, 05:49 PM
jaybird wrote: "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message news:k_adnXT03bu-N2ijXTWJig@comcast.com... jaybird wrote: "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:mJaHa.10063$sm5.8767@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.ne t...> In article <6CaHa.23895$1w1.1610252@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird> wrote:>>> Well then you'll be the one who has to deal with it. We're not>> talking about your personal opinions here and if you're offended>> because someone else did something that you don't like, then you'll>> just have to get over it. Just because you think an action is>> unsafe or courteous does not automatically make it so.>> Here's the problem with that jaybird, if what the cop is doing is> safe and courteous, then what he will ticket for, which is generally> a good deal lower in magnitude, is then safe and courteous. So the> cop is still a hypocrite. How can a cop write me a ticket for> driving 75mph in light traffic and not coming within even a 100ft of> another driver in the same lane while they rutinely drive 85mph and> have no qualms about tailgating and cutting off other drivers? It's> a hypocrisy and there is no defending it. The cop's behavior may not always be safe and courteous at all. It is sometimes necessary though. I'll just limit my responses to one possible answer out of many: Why is it necessary for a cop to tailgate a car who he intends to stop? To read the license plate.

Takes all of 10 seconds, if your lips move when you read. You can back
off while calling in the plate.
Why is it necessary for a cop to block the passing lane while going the same speed or slower than traffic in the next lane to the right? No one should be passing at the speed limit.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Why is it necessary for a cop to spin his wheels and do donuts in the dirt? Don't have an answer there, unless he's in a hurry to get out onto the street after someone.

Right, you don't.
Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few feet from people's bumpers with no lights on? Burglary in progress.

Why aren't his lights on?
Why is it necessary for a cop to drive on the wrong side of the road while approaching a red light on a blind intersection without lights or sirens? Robbery in progress.

Why aren't his lights on?

nate

Just a Cyclist
06-24-2003, 07:23 PM
"Nathan Nagel" <njnagel@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3EF8F191.7B16D04B@earthlink.net... jaybird wrote: "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message news:k_adnXT03bu-N2ijXTWJig@comcast.com... jaybird wrote: > "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:mJaHa.10063$sm5.8767@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.ne t... >> In article <6CaHa.23895$1w1.1610252@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird >> wrote: >> >>> Well then you'll be the one who has to deal with it. We're not >>> talking about your personal opinions here and if you're offended >>> because someone else did something that you don't like, then
you'll >>> just have to get over it. Just because you think an action is >>> unsafe or courteous does not automatically make it so. >> >> Here's the problem with that jaybird, if what the cop is doing is >> safe and courteous, then what he will ticket for, which is
generally >> a good deal lower in magnitude, is then safe and courteous. So the >> cop is still a hypocrite. How can a cop write me a ticket for >> driving 75mph in light traffic and not coming within even a 100ft
of >> another driver in the same lane while they rutinely drive 85mph and >> have no qualms about tailgating and cutting off other drivers? It's >> a hypocrisy and there is no defending it. > > The cop's behavior may not always be safe and courteous at all. It
is > sometimes necessary though. I'll just limit my responses to one possible answer out of many: Why is it necessary for a cop to tailgate a car who he intends to
stop? To read the license plate. Takes all of 10 seconds, if your lips move when you read. You can back off while calling in the plate.

Shows you how much you know about police work........what if the radio is
busy at the time? Opppss might have to wait his turn!!!!!!!!! Why is it necessary for a cop to block the passing lane while going
the same speed or slower than traffic in the next lane to the right? No one should be passing at the speed limit. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yep would not expect a better answer from a child. Why is it necessary for a cop to spin his wheels and do donuts in the dirt? Don't have an answer there, unless he's in a hurry to get out onto the street after someone. Right, you don't.

So he answers correctly and you still jump on him........ shows all your
mentality......juvenile. Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few feet from people's bumpers with no lights on? Burglary in progress. Why aren't his lights on?
Because that's the way you approach all burglaries........another one who
knows nothing about cop work! Why is it necessary for a cop to drive on the wrong side of the road
while approaching a red light on a blind intersection without lights or
sirens? Robbery in progress. Why aren't his lights on?

So he doesn't get shot when he arrives on scene of a robbery in
progress........ another clueless cop question? nate

Nathan Nagel
06-24-2003, 07:37 PM
Just a Cyclist wrote: "Nathan Nagel" <njnagel@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3EF8F191.7B16D04B@earthlink.net... jaybird wrote: "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message news:k_adnXT03bu-N2ijXTWJig@comcast.com... > jaybird wrote: > > "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:mJaHa.10063$sm5.8767@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.ne t... > >> In article <6CaHa.23895$1w1.1610252@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Well then you'll be the one who has to deal with it. We're not > >>> talking about your personal opinions here and if you're offended > >>> because someone else did something that you don't like, then you'll > >>> just have to get over it. Just because you think an action is > >>> unsafe or courteous does not automatically make it so. > >> > >> Here's the problem with that jaybird, if what the cop is doing is > >> safe and courteous, then what he will ticket for, which is generally > >> a good deal lower in magnitude, is then safe and courteous. So the > >> cop is still a hypocrite. How can a cop write me a ticket for > >> driving 75mph in light traffic and not coming within even a 100ft of > >> another driver in the same lane while they rutinely drive 85mph and > >> have no qualms about tailgating and cutting off other drivers? It's > >> a hypocrisy and there is no defending it. > > > > The cop's behavior may not always be safe and courteous at all. It is > > sometimes necessary though. > I'll just limit my responses to one possible answer out of many: > Why is it necessary for a cop to tailgate a car who he intends to stop? To read the license plate. Takes all of 10 seconds, if your lips move when you read. You can back off while calling in the plate. Shows you how much you know about police work........what if the radio is busy at the time? Opppss might have to wait his turn!!!!!!!!!

Can't remember a number while waiting for the radio to clear? These are
the people who are protecting us?
> Why is it necessary for a cop to block the passing lane while going the same > speed or slower than traffic in the next lane to the right? No one should be passing at the speed limit. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yep would not expect a better answer from a child.

You mean to say that most people *don't* exceed the speed limit?
> Why is it necessary for a cop to spin his wheels and do donuts in the dirt? Don't have an answer there, unless he's in a hurry to get out onto the street after someone. Right, you don't. So he answers correctly and you still jump on him........ shows all your mentality......juvenile.

No, I'm just sick of his bull****.
> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few feet from > people's bumpers with no lights on? Burglary in progress. Why aren't his lights on? Because that's the way you approach all burglaries........another one who knows nothing about cop work!

Even when you're blocks, or miles, away from the scene? On a freaking
interstate highway? Yes, I'm sure that those units going 90 MPH dark
are all responding to burglaries in progress. Matter of fact, I can't
remember the last time I saw any police officer travel less than 80 MPH
on the highway, at any time. They're all either hauling freight or
parked in the median running radar - no in between at all.
> Why is it necessary for a cop to drive on the wrong side of the road while > approaching a red light on a blind intersection without lights or sirens? Robbery in progress. Why aren't his lights on? So he doesn't get shot when he arrives on scene of a robbery in progress........ another clueless cop question?

See above.

nate

Barry Bridges
06-25-2003, 06:34 AM
"Nathan Nagel" <njnagel@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3EF8F191.7B16D04B@earthlink.net... jaybird wrote: "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message news:k_adnXT03bu-N2ijXTWJig@comcast.com... jaybird wrote: > "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:mJaHa.10063$sm5.8767@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.ne t... >> In article <6CaHa.23895$1w1.1610252@twister.austin.rr.com>, jaybird >> wrote: >> >>> Well then you'll be the one who has to deal with it. We're not >>> talking about your personal opinions here and if you're offended >>> because someone else did something that you don't like, then
you'll >>> just have to get over it. Just because you think an action is >>> unsafe or courteous does not automatically make it so. >> >> Here's the problem with that jaybird, if what the cop is doing is >> safe and courteous, then what he will ticket for, which is
generally >> a good deal lower in magnitude, is then safe and courteous. So the >> cop is still a hypocrite. How can a cop write me a ticket for >> driving 75mph in light traffic and not coming within even a 100ft
of >> another driver in the same lane while they rutinely drive 85mph and >> have no qualms about tailgating and cutting off other drivers? It's >> a hypocrisy and there is no defending it. > > The cop's behavior may not always be safe and courteous at all. It
is > sometimes necessary though. I'll just limit my responses to one possible answer out of many: Why is it necessary for a cop to tailgate a car who he intends to
stop? To read the license plate. Takes all of 10 seconds, if your lips move when you read. You can back off while calling in the plate.

See? This is why you guys don't have any reason to criticize. You have no
idea how hard it is to get on the radio sometimes...
Why is it necessary for a cop to block the passing lane while going
the same speed or slower than traffic in the next lane to the right? No one should be passing at the speed limit. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I thought you'd enjoy that one..... :o) It's true though.
Why is it necessary for a cop to spin his wheels and do donuts in the dirt? Don't have an answer there, unless he's in a hurry to get out onto the street after someone. Right, you don't. Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few feet from people's bumpers with no lights on? Burglary in progress. Why aren't his lights on?

They're not required or even necessary at times, especially if it's in
progress. You don't want to alert the criminal too soon.
Why is it necessary for a cop to drive on the wrong side of the road
while approaching a red light on a blind intersection without lights or
sirens? Robbery in progress. Why aren't his lights on?

They're not required or even necessary at times, especially if it's in
progress. You don't want to alert the criminal too soon.

--

jaybird

I am not the cause of your problems. I am the result of your actions...
Your life is not my fault.

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Cory Dunkle
06-26-2003, 06:48 AM
jaybird wrote: "Nathan Nagel" <njnagel@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3EF8F191.7B16D04B@earthlink.net... jaybird wrote: "Cory Dunkle" <cadnews@comcast.net> wrote in message news:k_adnXT03bu-N2ijXTWJig@comcast.com...> jaybird wrote:>> "Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message>> news:mJaHa.10063$sm5.8767@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.ne t...>>> In article <6CaHa.23895$1w1.1610252@twister.austin.rr.com>,>>> jaybird wrote:>>>>>>> Well then you'll be the one who has to deal with it. We're not>>>> talking about your personal opinions here and if you're offended>>>> because someone else did something that you don't like, then>>>> you'll just have to get over it. Just because you think an>>>> action is unsafe or courteous does not automatically make it so.>>>>>> Here's the problem with that jaybird, if what the cop is doing is>>> safe and courteous, then what he will ticket for, which is>>> generally a good deal lower in magnitude, is then safe and>>> courteous. So the cop is still a hypocrite. How can a cop write>>> me a ticket for driving 75mph in light traffic and not coming>>> within even a 100ft of another driver in the same lane while>>> they rutinely drive 85mph and have no qualms about tailgating>>> and cutting off other drivers? It's a hypocrisy and there is no>>> defending it.>>>> The cop's behavior may not always be safe and courteous at all.>> It is sometimes necessary though.> I'll just limit my responses to one possible answer out of many:> Why is it necessary for a cop to tailgate a car who he intends to> stop? To read the license plate. Takes all of 10 seconds, if your lips move when you read. You can back off while calling in the plate. See? This is why you guys don't have any reason to criticize. You have no idea how hard it is to get on the radio sometimes...

If you can't remember a license plate number for a couple minutes your
mental capacity is quite saddening. Even I can remember a license plate
number.
> Why is it necessary for a cop to spin his wheels and do donuts in> the dirt? Don't have an answer there, unless he's in a hurry to get out onto the street after someone. Right, you don't.> Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few feet> from people's bumpers with no lights on? Burglary in progress. Why aren't his lights on? They're not required or even necessary at times, especially if it's in progress. You don't want to alert the criminal too soon.

Heaven forbid we alert him on the highway while we're 5 or 10 miles away!
What with all those buildings, walls adn vegetation blocking his view and
hearing of you. Not to mention the 'tunnel vision' criminals often get while
in the act. In any case, there is no justification for endangering all those
innocent motorist's lives from a cop's reckless driving.
> Why is it necessary for a cop to drive on the wrong side of the> road while approaching a red light on a blind intersection without> lights or sirens? Robbery in progress. Why aren't his lights on? They're not required or even necessary at times, especially if it's in progress. You don't want to alert the criminal too soon.

Heaven forbid we alert him on the highway while we're 5 or 10 miles away!
What with all those buildings, walls adn vegetation blocking his view and
hearing of you. Not to mention the 'tunnel vision' criminals often get while
in the act. In any case, there is no justification for endangering all those
innocent motorist's lives from a cop's reckless driving.

Nate Nagel
06-26-2003, 08:08 AM
"Just a Cyclist" <popo@copwatch.com> wrote in message news:<vfjatjd45j3325@corp.supernews.com>...

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> > I'll just limit my responses to one possible answer out of many: > > > > > Why is it necessary for a cop to tailgate a car who he intends to stop? > > > > To read the license plate. > > Takes all of 10 seconds, if your lips move when you read. You can back > off while calling in the plate. Shows you how much you know about police work........what if the radio is busy at the time? Opppss might have to wait his turn!!!!!!!!! Can't remember a number while waiting for the radio to clear? These are the people who are protecting us? Ok.......give me the trackter trailer license and the cab license........oh the radio is busy......wait 2 minutes and give it to me again? or and out of state plate.......? or two cars at the same time?

Get a freaking pad and a pencil. Far safer to write it down then back
off than to keep tailgating for miles. As long as you can keep visual
contact with a suspected violator there's no reason to keep tailgating
- you can always catch back up unless said suspected violator is on a
sport bike or driving a Ferrari (and you've got his tags in any case.)
> > > > > > Why is it necessary for a cop to block the passing lane while going the same > > > speed or slower than traffic in the next lane to the right? > > > > No one should be passing at the speed limit. > > BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yep would not expect a better answer from a child. You mean to say that most people *don't* exceed the speed limit? No I didn't say that.......but if you get a ticket for exceeding the speed limit......most people except the responsibility...

Except for police officers, because they don't get ticketed. It still
doesn't relieve the police of the responsibility to drive in a safe
and courteous manner at all times, and in compliance with traffic laws
when not on a call in most areas. Now LLBing at the speed limit is
legal here (MD) but I didn't post the original question. It's
entirely likely that LLBing is illegal in the OP's state, in which
case the correct course of action for the officer would be to move
right, then ticket anyone who passes him for speeding should he so
desire, *not* to block the passing lane. I'd argue that that would be
the correct course of action anywhere, as "keep right except to pass"
*should* be a universal rule. (but that's another rant for another
time.)
> > > > > > Why is it necessary for a cop to spin his wheels and do donuts in the > > dirt? > > > > Don't have an answer there, unless he's in a hurry to get out onto the > > street after someone. > > > > Right, you don't. So he answers correctly and you still jump on him........ shows all your mentality......juvenile. No, I'm just sick of his bull****. No it's you lace of anger management

Anger management? I'm not angry, i'm just calling people on their
hypocrisy.
> > > > Why is it necessary for a cop to weave through traffic a few feet from > > > people's bumpers with no lights on? > > > > Burglary in progress. > > > > Why aren't his lights on? Because that's the way you approach all burglaries........another one who knows nothing about cop work! Even when you're blocks, or miles, away from the scene? Again you are throwing in changing information......how do you know he was blocks away?

Because there are no buildings within blocks of the highway that I
frequently see cops speeding (and I don't mean SL+10) on.
On a freaking interstate highway? Yes, you take the shortest route there, wouldn't you? Yes, I'm sure that those units going 90 MPH dark are all responding to burglaries in progress. Again you change the curcumstances.........if it's a burg, not if it's a rape or shooting in progress YES!

Again, on an interstate highway, blocks if not miles away from
anything? As I've already posted, it's apparently illegal for a
police unit to break any traffic laws, even while responding to an
emergency, without activating the siren (at least in MD) so your
excuses don't wash anyway. Now I will grant you that it might be
sensible for a unit to run dark *and* silent while approaching the
immediate area of a call, but a) that's not what we're talking about
here and b) the law doesn't allow for that, so in that mode the
officer *should* be observing all traffic laws.
Matter of fact, I can't remember the last time I saw any police officer travel less than 80 MPH on the highway, at any time. Well maybe where you live if you are telling the truth, but not where I live or since I just got back from driving from East Coast of Canada to California....... I didn't see every cop driving 89mph.

Well, perhaps they're a little more sensible in your area then.

My whole point... refer to John Wardle's recent post about the
officer that trained him. Police officers are not only expected to
enforce the law, but set an example. When they show flagrant
disregard for basic traffic laws, how can they expect the average
citizen to show respect for them?

nate

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