Hi,
I am from Africa where it is legal to have many wives.

I have 3 wives and 13 children and I am soon immigrating to the US.

Will I allowed to bring my family to the US?

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Hi, I am from Africa where it is legal to have many wives. I have 3 wives and 13 children and I am soon immigrating to the US. Will I allowed to bring my family to the US?

Hi:

You will be allowed to bring the FIRST wife [in order of marriage] and
all thirteen children. This answer is limited as to who is QUALIFIED
for immigration as the "wife" and "children" of you.

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Hi, I am from Africa where it is legal to have many wives. I have 3 wives and 13 children and I am soon immigrating to the US. Will I allowed to bring my family to the US?

Hi:

You will be allowed to bring the FIRST wife [in order of marriage] and
all thirteen children. This answer is limited as to who is QUALIFIED
for immigration as the "wife" and "children" of you.

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Immigration & Nat. Law
Cal. Bar Board of Legal Specialization
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Hi: You will be allowed to bring the FIRST wife [in order of marriage] and all thirteen children. This answer is limited as to who is QUALIFIED for immigration as the "wife" and "children" of you.

so what will happen to the other 2 wives?

Can I adopt them? What is the maximum age for adoption.

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Hi: You will be allowed to bring the FIRST wife [in order of marriage] and all thirteen children. This answer is limited as to who is QUALIFIED for immigration as the "wife" and "children" of you.

so what will happen to the other 2 wives?

Can I adopt them? What is the maximum age for adoption.

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so what will happen to the other 2 wives? Can I adopt them? What is the maximum age for adoption.

You may have to marry them off to someone else.

Ian

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so what will happen to the other 2 wives? Can I adopt them? What is the maximum age for adoption.

You may have to marry them off to someone else.

Ian

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You may have to marry them off to someone else. Ian

thank you for the help.

Ian please explain more about your idea and how legal it is.

Thank you.

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You may have to marry them off to someone else. Ian

thank you for the help.

Ian please explain more about your idea and how legal it is.

Thank you.

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so what will happen to the other 2 wives? Can I adopt them? What is the maximum age for adoption.

Hi:

Your question was whether or not you could immigrate your three wives
and 13 children. I answered that question. Beyond that, I have no idea
what happens to the other two wives other than they can't immigrate
based upon your immigration.

Sure, if your home country allows it, you can adopt your second two
wives. Why would you want to do that? This is an immigration forum,
not an adoption forum.

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Cal. Bar Board of Legal Specialization
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so what will happen to the other 2 wives? Can I adopt them? What is the maximum age for adoption.

Hi:

Your question was whether or not you could immigrate your three wives
and 13 children. I answered that question. Beyond that, I have no idea
what happens to the other two wives other than they can't immigrate
based upon your immigration.

Sure, if your home country allows it, you can adopt your second two
wives. Why would you want to do that? This is an immigration forum,
not an adoption forum.

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so what will happen to the other 2 wives? Can I adopt them? What is the maximum age for adoption.

I think you are sick!

I think you had better educate yourself about the US and its laws and
customs as you do not seem anywhere near ready to come and live here.

FYI, this is a civilised country where men and women have equal rights.

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so what will happen to the other 2 wives? Can I adopt them? What is the maximum age for adoption.

I think you are sick!

I think you had better educate yourself about the US and its laws and
customs as you do not seem anywhere near ready to come and live here.

FYI, this is a civilised country where men and women have equal rights.

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I think you are sick! I think you had better educate yourself about the US and its laws and customs as you do not seem anywhere near ready to come and live here. FYI, this is a civilised country where men and women have equal rights.

Thanks Mr Folinskinya,
I will see what our laws say here and see if I can adopt the other two,
since I cannot leave any of them.

Donna,
I dont know why you are speaking against me, you have US cultures and we
have our cultures, no mixing. You respect my culture, i respect yours.

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I think you are sick! I think you had better educate yourself about the US and its laws and customs as you do not seem anywhere near ready to come and live here. FYI, this is a civilised country where men and women have equal rights.

Thanks Mr Folinskinya,
I will see what our laws say here and see if I can adopt the other two,
since I cannot leave any of them.

Donna,
I dont know why you are speaking against me, you have US cultures and we
have our cultures, no mixing. You respect my culture, i respect yours.

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I think you are sick! I think you had better educate yourself about the US and its laws and customs as you do not seem anywhere near ready to come and live here. FYI, this is a civilised country where men and women have equal rights.

This is a non-sequitur. That men and women have equal rights in the US
has nothing whatsoever to do with the concept that he apparently lives
in Africa and has 3 wives. Last I heard though, while they openly
discourage it, Utah tolerates polygamy.

Ian

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I think you are sick! I think you had better educate yourself about the US and its laws and customs as you do not seem anywhere near ready to come and live here. FYI, this is a civilised country where men and women have equal rights.

This is a non-sequitur. That men and women have equal rights in the US
has nothing whatsoever to do with the concept that he apparently lives
in Africa and has 3 wives. Last I heard though, while they openly
discourage it, Utah tolerates polygamy.

Ian

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This is a non-sequitur. That men and women have equal rights in the US has nothing whatsoever to do with the concept that he apparently lives in Africa and has 3 wives. Last I heard though, while they openly discourage it, Utah tolerates polygamy. Ian

But he wants to come and live here!!!

And I don't think Utah tolerates polygamy. And even if there are small
enclaves in this backward states that do turn a blind eye, it would
hardly be representative of the rest of the US.

However, I'm beginning to think the OP is a troll and this whole thread
is a wind-up...

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This is a non-sequitur. That men and women have equal rights in the US has nothing whatsoever to do with the concept that he apparently lives in Africa and has 3 wives. Last I heard though, while they openly discourage it, Utah tolerates polygamy. Ian

But he wants to come and live here!!!

And I don't think Utah tolerates polygamy. And even if there are small
enclaves in this backward states that do turn a blind eye, it would
hardly be representative of the rest of the US.

However, I'm beginning to think the OP is a troll and this whole thread
is a wind-up...

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But he wants to come and live here!!! And I don't think Utah tolerates polygamy. And even if there are small enclaves in this backward states that do turn a blind eye, it would hardly be representative of the rest of the US. However, I'm beginning to think the OP is a troll and this whole thread is a wind-up...

Y'gotta admit, it's certainly more entertaining than other such posts!

Ian

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But he wants to come and live here!!! And I don't think Utah tolerates polygamy. And even if there are small enclaves in this backward states that do turn a blind eye, it would hardly be representative of the rest of the US. However, I'm beginning to think the OP is a troll and this whole thread is a wind-up...

Y'gotta admit, it's certainly more entertaining than other such posts!

Ian

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Y'gotta admit, it's certainly more entertaining than other such posts! Ian

Quite! The mind boggles... I mean, was this guy serious? Did he really
think he could turn up here with 3 wives in tow?

Talk about being unprepared for life in the US...

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Y'gotta admit, it's certainly more entertaining than other such posts! Ian

Quite! The mind boggles... I mean, was this guy serious? Did he really
think he could turn up here with 3 wives in tow?

Talk about being unprepared for life in the US...

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I think you are sick! I think you had better educate yourself about the US and its laws and customs as you do not seem anywhere near ready to come and live here. FYI, this is a civilised country where men and women have equal rights.

DE: This is a civilised immigration discussion group where posters
strive to keep an open mind about other cultures/customs.

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I think you are sick! I think you had better educate yourself about the US and its laws and customs as you do not seem anywhere near ready to come and live here. FYI, this is a civilised country where men and women have equal rights.

DE: This is a civilised immigration discussion group where posters
strive to keep an open mind about other cultures/customs.

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DE: This is a civilised immigration discussion group where posters strive to keep an open mind about other cultures/customs.

Pleeeease! There are limits!

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DE: This is a civilised immigration discussion group where posters strive to keep an open mind about other cultures/customs.

Pleeeease! There are limits!

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Quite! The mind boggles... I mean, was this guy serious? Did he really think he could turn up here with 3 wives in tow? Talk about being unprepared for life in the US...

I hope the US will allow me to settle my family without discrimination.

For your information, since the marriages are customary/common law; I
can formalize the marriage(s) that willl allow me to enter the US, but I
wish I can know the oldest age possible to do an adoption, so I see
whether to adopt two of the wives.

To Donna, please learn to respect others' cultures. I have read of
states that practice this same thing in America, and like Ian said, Utah
may be one of them.

The important thing is no one is imposing this culture on you. Even
Moslems can marry 4 wives and there are many in the U.S, which is
supposed to be the melting pot of the universe.

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Quite! The mind boggles... I mean, was this guy serious? Did he really think he could turn up here with 3 wives in tow? Talk about being unprepared for life in the US...

I hope the US will allow me to settle my family without discrimination.

For your information, since the marriages are customary/common law; I
can formalize the marriage(s) that willl allow me to enter the US, but I
wish I can know the oldest age possible to do an adoption, so I see
whether to adopt two of the wives.

To Donna, please learn to respect others' cultures. I have read of
states that practice this same thing in America, and like Ian said, Utah
may be one of them.

The important thing is no one is imposing this culture on you. Even
Moslems can marry 4 wives and there are many in the U.S, which is
supposed to be the melting pot of the universe.

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I hope the US will allow me to settle my family without discrimination. For your information, since the marriages are customary/common law; I can formalize the marriage(s) that willl allow me to enter the US, but I wish I can know the oldest age possible to do an adoption, so I see whether to adopt two of the wives. To Donna, please learn to respect others' cultures. I have read of states that practice this same thing in America, and like Ian said, Utah may be one of them. The important thing is no one is imposing this culture on you. Even Moslems can marry 4 wives and there are many in the U.S, which is supposed to be the melting pot of the universe.

Please do NOT bring this "culture" to the US.

Thank you.

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I hope the US will allow me to settle my family without discrimination. For your information, since the marriages are customary/common law; I can formalize the marriage(s) that willl allow me to enter the US, but I wish I can know the oldest age possible to do an adoption, so I see whether to adopt two of the wives. To Donna, please learn to respect others' cultures. I have read of states that practice this same thing in America, and like Ian said, Utah may be one of them. The important thing is no one is imposing this culture on you. Even Moslems can marry 4 wives and there are many in the U.S, which is supposed to be the melting pot of the universe.

Please do NOT bring this "culture" to the US.

Thank you.

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I hope the US will allow me to settle my family without discrimination. For your information, since the marriages are customary/common law; I can formalize the marriage(s) that willl allow me to enter the US, but I wish I can know the oldest age possible to do an adoption, so I see whether to adopt two of the wives. To Donna, please learn to respect others' cultures. I have read of states that practice this same thing in America, and like Ian said, Utah may be one of them. The important thing is no one is imposing this culture on you. Even Moslems can marry 4 wives and there are many in the U.S, which is supposed to be the melting pot of the universe.

Lwanda_Magere, if you are 'for real' please make no mistake, polygamy is
not legal or mainly practiced in the US. You have not read of states
where this is practiced, I'm reasonably sure. It is not legal in Utah,
nor widely practiced there.

How is it that you are immigrating to the US? The person/agency
assisting you would be a better source for information about your family
than an internet discussion.

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I hope the US will allow me to settle my family without discrimination. For your information, since the marriages are customary/common law; I can formalize the marriage(s) that willl allow me to enter the US, but I wish I can know the oldest age possible to do an adoption, so I see whether to adopt two of the wives. To Donna, please learn to respect others' cultures. I have read of states that practice this same thing in America, and like Ian said, Utah may be one of them. The important thing is no one is imposing this culture on you. Even Moslems can marry 4 wives and there are many in the U.S, which is supposed to be the melting pot of the universe.

Lwanda_Magere, if you are 'for real' please make no mistake, polygamy is
not legal or mainly practiced in the US. You have not read of states
where this is practiced, I'm reasonably sure. It is not legal in Utah,
nor widely practiced there.

How is it that you are immigrating to the US? The person/agency
assisting you would be a better source for information about your family
than an internet discussion.

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Lwanda_Magere, if you are 'for real' please make no mistake, polygamy is not legal or mainly practiced in the US. You have not read of states where this is practiced, I'm reasonably sure. It is not legal in Utah, nor widely practiced there. How is it that you are immigrating to the US? The person/agency assisting you would be a better source for information about your family than an internet discussion.

Not legal but certainly practiced: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2003-03-
13/feature.html

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Lwanda_Magere, if you are 'for real' please make no mistake, polygamy is not legal or mainly practiced in the US. You have not read of states where this is practiced, I'm reasonably sure. It is not legal in Utah, nor widely practiced there. How is it that you are immigrating to the US? The person/agency assisting you would be a better source for information about your family than an internet discussion.

Not legal but certainly practiced: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2003-03-
13/feature.html

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Lwanda_Magere, if you are 'for real' please make no mistake, polygamy is not legal or mainly practiced in the US. You have not read of states where this is practiced, I'm reasonably sure. It is not legal in Utah, nor widely practiced there. How is it that you are immigrating to the US? The person/agency assisting you would be a better source for information about your family than an internet discussion.

meauxana and DE,
There is no need to discriminate.

Just because my questions are not mainstream, Western, British or maybe
something you are not familiar with does not mean I am not entitled to
advice like others on this board.

Please learn and practice tolerance. There are things you can learn from
other cultures, no culture is perfect.

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Lwanda_Magere, if you are 'for real' please make no mistake, polygamy is not legal or mainly practiced in the US. You have not read of states where this is practiced, I'm reasonably sure. It is not legal in Utah, nor widely practiced there. How is it that you are immigrating to the US? The person/agency assisting you would be a better source for information about your family than an internet discussion.

meauxana and DE,
There is no need to discriminate.

Just because my questions are not mainstream, Western, British or maybe
something you are not familiar with does not mean I am not entitled to
advice like others on this board.

Please learn and practice tolerance. There are things you can learn from
other cultures, no culture is perfect.

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Not legal but certainly practiced: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2003-03- 13/feature.html

Yes. I said 'widely practiced. Besides, this particular town (which I'm
familiar with from newsmagazine reports) is a quote feudal colony /quote
and hardly the norm for the entire state.

There are a lot of things that are not 'legal' that are practiced in our
country. Shall we suggest drunken driving is OK?

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Not legal but certainly practiced: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2003-03- 13/feature.html

Yes. I said 'widely practiced. Besides, this particular town (which I'm
familiar with from newsmagazine reports) is a quote feudal colony /quote
and hardly the norm for the entire state.

There are a lot of things that are not 'legal' that are practiced in our
country. Shall we suggest drunken driving is OK?

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Yes. I said 'widely practiced. Besides, this particular town (which I'm familiar with from newsmagazine reports) is a quote feudal colony /quote and hardly the norm for the entire state. There are a lot of things that are not 'legal' that are practiced in our country. Shall we suggest drunken driving is OK?

I believe that one would have to be under 18 years of age in order to be
qualified to be adopted in the USA.

*agrees w/the potential of this being a troll thread*

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Yes. I said 'widely practiced. Besides, this particular town (which I'm familiar with from newsmagazine reports) is a quote feudal colony /quote and hardly the norm for the entire state. There are a lot of things that are not 'legal' that are practiced in our country. Shall we suggest drunken driving is OK?

I believe that one would have to be under 18 years of age in order to be
qualified to be adopted in the USA.

*agrees w/the potential of this being a troll thread*

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Yes. I said 'widely practiced. Besides, this particular town (which I'm familiar with from newsmagazine reports) is a quote feudal colony /quote and hardly the norm for the entire state. There are a lot of things that are not 'legal' that are practiced in our country. Shall we suggest drunken driving is OK?

meauxna,
Dont make exceptions. If one place is doing it in the US, it means its
being practiced period.

One of reasons I am concerned about coming with one wife and leaving
others is because they are very close to one another and if one or more
are left, the ones who come here will feel very miserable and depressed,
since we are one big family.

Though am the head of the family, we are all very close and close-knit
family, and if one or more is left, the rest of the unit will not
function very well.

Please set apart the discrimination and advice how I can unite my family
in the states.

Our culture will enrich America's culture one way or another, please
dont dismiss me because of my culture.

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Yes. I said 'widely practiced. Besides, this particular town (which I'm familiar with from newsmagazine reports) is a quote feudal colony /quote and hardly the norm for the entire state. There are a lot of things that are not 'legal' that are practiced in our country. Shall we suggest drunken driving is OK?

meauxna,
Dont make exceptions. If one place is doing it in the US, it means its
being practiced period.

One of reasons I am concerned about coming with one wife and leaving
others is because they are very close to one another and if one or more
are left, the ones who come here will feel very miserable and depressed,
since we are one big family.

Though am the head of the family, we are all very close and close-knit
family, and if one or more is left, the rest of the unit will not
function very well.

Please set apart the discrimination and advice how I can unite my family
in the states.

Our culture will enrich America's culture one way or another, please
dont dismiss me because of my culture.

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Yes. I said 'widely practiced. Besides, this particular town (which I'm familiar with from newsmagazine reports) is a quote feudal colony /quote and hardly the norm for the entire state. There are a lot of things that are not 'legal' that are practiced in our country. Shall we suggest drunken driving is OK?

You obvioulsy don't believe this guy's for real do you? He must be
trying to just wind everyone up? What's that "word" for people like
this that go on forums and get everyone all wound up?

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Yes. I said 'widely practiced. Besides, this particular town (which I'm familiar with from newsmagazine reports) is a quote feudal colony /quote and hardly the norm for the entire state. There are a lot of things that are not 'legal' that are practiced in our country. Shall we suggest drunken driving is OK?

You obvioulsy don't believe this guy's for real do you? He must be
trying to just wind everyone up? What's that "word" for people like
this that go on forums and get everyone all wound up?

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Yes. I said 'widely practiced. Besides, this particular town (which I'm familiar with from newsmagazine reports) is a quote feudal colony /quote and hardly the norm for the entire state. There are a lot of things that are not 'legal' that are practiced in our country. Shall we suggest drunken driving is OK?

They're definitely a law unto themselves on Arizona/Utah border!
Weirdsville on my only visit.

Dunno about DUI -- law certainly doesn't deter them And I live in the
place where they dress you up in pink underwear and dump you in "Tent
City" in the desert if you're caught.

As regards the OP, he's got his answer from a fine attorney. There's
really nowhere else for him to go. If he wants to bring the other 2
wives in, they'll have to come on their own merits.

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Yes. I said 'widely practiced. Besides, this particular town (which I'm familiar with from newsmagazine reports) is a quote feudal colony /quote and hardly the norm for the entire state. There are a lot of things that are not 'legal' that are practiced in our country. Shall we suggest drunken driving is OK?

They're definitely a law unto themselves on Arizona/Utah border!
Weirdsville on my only visit.

Dunno about DUI -- law certainly doesn't deter them And I live in the
place where they dress you up in pink underwear and dump you in "Tent
City" in the desert if you're caught.

As regards the OP, he's got his answer from a fine attorney. There's
really nowhere else for him to go. If he wants to bring the other 2
wives in, they'll have to come on their own merits.

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I believe that one would have to be under 18 years of age in order to be qualified to be adopted in the USA. *agrees w/the potential of this being a troll thread*

THAT'S THE WORD....................TROLL!

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I believe that one would have to be under 18 years of age in order to be qualified to be adopted in the USA. *agrees w/the potential of this being a troll thread*

THAT'S THE WORD....................TROLL!

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meauxana and DE, There is no need to discriminate. Just because my questions are not mainstream, Western, British or maybe something you are not familiar with does not mean I am not entitled to advice like others on this board. Please learn and practice tolerance. There are things you can learn from other cultures, no culture is perfect.

You started this thread by asking whether you could bring 3 wives
to the US.

When told 'No', you asked whether you could ADOPT 2 of your wives - i.e.
intending to bring them here under the pretence that they are your
'children'.

How sick is this?

What you are asking has nothing to do with "culture", so please stop
asking us to respect other cultures under this pretext.

Unless you change your way of thinking, you are going to have a lot of
problems in the US.

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meauxana and DE, There is no need to discriminate. Just because my questions are not mainstream, Western, British or maybe something you are not familiar with does not mean I am not entitled to advice like others on this board. Please learn and practice tolerance. There are things you can learn from other cultures, no culture is perfect.

You started this thread by asking whether you could bring 3 wives
to the US.

When told 'No', you asked whether you could ADOPT 2 of your wives - i.e.
intending to bring them here under the pretence that they are your
'children'.

How sick is this?

What you are asking has nothing to do with "culture", so please stop
asking us to respect other cultures under this pretext.

Unless you change your way of thinking, you are going to have a lot of
problems in the US.

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THAT'S THE WORD....................TROLL!

please dont call me names.

Anyhow, I will work to see how to get the girls adopted into the family,
problem being I have kids with both of them, included in the number of
my 13 kids.

Which means if I adopt them, mothers and their children will all
be my kids!

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THAT'S THE WORD....................TROLL!

please dont call me names.

Anyhow, I will work to see how to get the girls adopted into the family,
problem being I have kids with both of them, included in the number of
my 13 kids.

Which means if I adopt them, mothers and their children will all
be my kids!

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meauxna, Dont make exceptions. If one place is doing it in the US, it means its being practiced period. One of reasons I am concerned about coming with one wife and leaving others is because they are very close to one another and if one or more are left, the ones who come here will feel very miserable and depressed, since we are one big family. Though am the head of the family, we are all very close and close-knit family, and if one or more is left, the rest of the unit will not function very well. Please set apart the discrimination and advice how I can unite my family in the states. Our culture will enrich America's culture one way or another, please dont dismiss me because of my culture.

Aaaahhh, isn't that sweet!

Okay, you are definitely a troll - good bye and good riddance!

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meauxna, Dont make exceptions. If one place is doing it in the US, it means its being practiced period. One of reasons I am concerned about coming with one wife and leaving others is because they are very close to one another and if one or more are left, the ones who come here will feel very miserable and depressed, since we are one big family. Though am the head of the family, we are all very close and close-knit family, and if one or more is left, the rest of the unit will not function very well. Please set apart the discrimination and advice how I can unite my family in the states. Our culture will enrich America's culture one way or another, please dont dismiss me because of my culture.

Aaaahhh, isn't that sweet!

Okay, you are definitely a troll - good bye and good riddance!

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I hope the US will allow me to settle my family without discrimination. For your information, since the marriages are customary/common law; I can formalize the marriage(s) that willl allow me to enter the US, but I wish I can know the oldest age possible to do an adoption, so I see whether to adopt two of the wives. To Donna, please learn to respect others' cultures. I have read of states that practice this same thing in America, and like Ian said, Utah may be one of them. The important thing is no one is imposing this culture on you. Even Moslems can marry 4 wives and there are many in the U.S, which is supposed to be the melting pot of the universe.

Where are you and your family living now? Are you together?




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I hope the US will allow me to settle my family without discrimination. For your information, since the marriages are customary/common law; I can formalize the marriage(s) that willl allow me to enter the US, but I wish I can know the oldest age possible to do an adoption, so I see whether to adopt two of the wives. To Donna, please learn to respect others' cultures. I have read of states that practice this same thing in America, and like Ian said, Utah may be one of them. The important thing is no one is imposing this culture on you. Even Moslems can marry 4 wives and there are many in the U.S, which is supposed to be the melting pot of the universe.

Where are you and your family living now? Are you together?




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Aaaahhh, isn't that sweet! Okay, you are definitely a troll - good bye and good riddance!

Donna.
Good riddance. Call me names. I believe you hate people from Africa,
but thats OK.
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Aaaahhh, isn't that sweet! Okay, you are definitely a troll - good bye and good riddance!

Donna.
Good riddance. Call me names. I believe you hate people from Africa,
but thats OK.
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Where are you and your family living now? Are you together? NC Penguin

Am temporarily in the US, will be returning to bring them here.

Am here on an EB-2.

I see Meauxna and DE address me badly yet someone here is pleading for
me to move here.

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Where are you and your family living now? Are you together? NC Penguin

Am temporarily in the US, will be returning to bring them here.

Am here on an EB-2.

I see Meauxna and DE address me badly yet someone here is pleading for
me to move here.

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Am temporarily in the US, will be returning to bring them here. Am here on an EB-2. I see Meauxna and DE address me badly yet someone here is pleading for me to move here.

LOL, alrighty then.
Have fun with it, kids!


PS: call her "Donna", that will win her over!

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Am temporarily in the US, will be returning to bring them here. Am here on an EB-2. I see Meauxna and DE address me badly yet someone here is pleading for me to move here.

LOL, alrighty then.
Have fun with it, kids!


PS: call her "Donna", that will win her over!

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LOL, alrighty then. Have fun with it, kids! PS: call her "Donna", that will win her over!

Oh dear, am I acquiring a reputation for being 'difficult'? ;)

(And who's disabled the smilies? :( )

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LOL, alrighty then. Have fun with it, kids! PS: call her "Donna", that will win her over!

Oh dear, am I acquiring a reputation for being 'difficult'? ;)

(And who's disabled the smilies? :( )

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Oh dear, am I acquiring a reputation for being 'difficult'? ;) (And who's disabled the smilies? :( )

meauxana,
I have a penchant for attracting them, so Donna will become #4 if
not careful.

Please lets learn to be tolerant. Things are not always how they look
like, from the outside. There is a lot of happiness in my family.

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Oh dear, am I acquiring a reputation for being 'difficult'? ;) (And who's disabled the smilies? :( )

meauxana,
I have a penchant for attracting them, so Donna will become #4 if
not careful.

Please lets learn to be tolerant. Things are not always how they look
like, from the outside. There is a lot of happiness in my family.

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Pleeeease! There are limits!

Donna..this is VERY uncommon for us that's why I didn't comment on this
thread, I really don't know what to say!!
I hear ya..

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Pleeeease! There are limits!

Donna..this is VERY uncommon for us that's why I didn't comment on this
thread, I really don't know what to say!!
I hear ya..

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Donna..this is VERY uncommon for us that's why I didn't comment on this thread, I really don't know what to say!! I hear ya..

Okay, let's get this straight once and for all: My name is ELVIRA; Donna
is my title ;) I used to have this boyfriend called Don Giovanni, but
things got kind of difficult... Mozart wrote a whole opera about it:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
/B00005UW7G/qid=1116902276/sr=8-3/ref=pd_csp_3/103-5145234-
6091867?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846

Anyway, I'm married now, and have been for a very long time, so
unfortunately I won't be able to take up Lwanda's offer of his hand
in marriage.

Hang on, he's already got 3 Missuses, so how does this work - does he
give his feet in marriage too? ;)

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Donna..this is VERY uncommon for us that's why I didn't comment on this thread, I really don't know what to say!! I hear ya..

Okay, let's get this straight once and for all: My name is ELVIRA; Donna
is my title ;) I used to have this boyfriend called Don Giovanni, but
things got kind of difficult... Mozart wrote a whole opera about it:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
/B00005UW7G/qid=1116902276/sr=8-3/ref=pd_csp_3/103-5145234-
6091867?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846

Anyway, I'm married now, and have been for a very long time, so
unfortunately I won't be able to take up Lwanda's offer of his hand
in marriage.

Hang on, he's already got 3 Missuses, so how does this work - does he
give his feet in marriage too? ;)

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Lwanda_Magere wrote:
I hope the US will allow me to settle my family without discrimination.

We won't discriminate, however we have these laws see...
For your information, since the marriages are customary/common law; I can formalize the marriage(s) that willl allow me to enter the US, but I wish I can know the oldest age possible to do an adoption, so I see whether to adopt two of the wives.

Not sure of age of adoption. My guess would be if they are over 18
you're out of luck. The polygamists that "practice" in the US usually do
so under the guise of adoption.
To Donna, please learn to respect others' cultures.

Oh we can sure respect your culture all right - just stay in Africa!
Just because we respect a culture does not mean that we view it as
legal. For example, in Afghanistan it's common and cultural to stone
people. Do you honestly think we stone people here?!?
I have read of states that practice this same thing in America, and like Ian said, Utah may be one of them.

Many people here "practice" the art of smoking marijuana - however it's
illegal and if caught you'll be arrested.
The important thing is no one is imposing this culture on you.

It may be however, again, it's considered illegal here thus not allowed.
Even Moslems can marry 4 wives and there are many in the U.S

Any Moslem present in the US with more than one wife will be prosecuted
if found out.
, which is supposed to be the melting pot of the universe.

Ah, no, it isn't. While there may be aliens here all have come from the
Earth!

And while many cultures are allowed to survive here and practice their
own unique ways there are limits. They're called laws.
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Lwanda_Magere wrote:
I hope the US will allow me to settle my family without discrimination.

We won't discriminate, however we have these laws see...
For your information, since the marriages are customary/common law; I can formalize the marriage(s) that willl allow me to enter the US, but I wish I can know the oldest age possible to do an adoption, so I see whether to adopt two of the wives.

Not sure of age of adoption. My guess would be if they are over 18
you're out of luck. The polygamists that "practice" in the US usually do
so under the guise of adoption.
To Donna, please learn to respect others' cultures.

Oh we can sure respect your culture all right - just stay in Africa!
Just because we respect a culture does not mean that we view it as
legal. For example, in Afghanistan it's common and cultural to stone
people. Do you honestly think we stone people here?!?
I have read of states that practice this same thing in America, and like Ian said, Utah may be one of them.

Many people here "practice" the art of smoking marijuana - however it's
illegal and if caught you'll be arrested.
The important thing is no one is imposing this culture on you.

It may be however, again, it's considered illegal here thus not allowed.
Even Moslems can marry 4 wives and there are many in the U.S

Any Moslem present in the US with more than one wife will be prosecuted
if found out.
, which is supposed to be the melting pot of the universe.

Ah, no, it isn't. While there may be aliens here all have come from the
Earth!

And while many cultures are allowed to survive here and practice their
own unique ways there are limits. They're called laws.
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Thanks Mr Folinskinya, I will see what our laws say here and see if I can adopt the other two, since I cannot leave any of them. Donna, I dont know why you are speaking against me, you have US cultures and we have our cultures, no mixing. You respect my culture, i respect yours.

Hi:

Sigh. Let me put it this way -- US law has a very strong policy against
polygamy. There is a venerable BIA case called "Darwish" -- I don't
recall the citation -- which governed a part of this issue. The
petitioner has a second marriage in Jordan, which allowed plural
marriage. The BIA ruled that, although the marriage was valid in
Jordan, it would NOT be recognized for US purposes.

Furthermore, it is a ground of inadmissibility to come to the US to
practice polygamy -- section 212(a)(10) of the Act -- so if you intend
to have more than one wife in the US, YOU are inadmissible.

Please, no comments on whether this is right, fair or whatnot -- I'm
just saying what the law is.

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Thanks Mr Folinskinya, I will see what our laws say here and see if I can adopt the other two, since I cannot leave any of them. Donna, I dont know why you are speaking against me, you have US cultures and we have our cultures, no mixing. You respect my culture, i respect yours.

Hi:

Sigh. Let me put it this way -- US law has a very strong policy against
polygamy. There is a venerable BIA case called "Darwish" -- I don't
recall the citation -- which governed a part of this issue. The
petitioner has a second marriage in Jordan, which allowed plural
marriage. The BIA ruled that, although the marriage was valid in
Jordan, it would NOT be recognized for US purposes.

Furthermore, it is a ground of inadmissibility to come to the US to
practice polygamy -- section 212(a)(10) of the Act -- so if you intend
to have more than one wife in the US, YOU are inadmissible.

Please, no comments on whether this is right, fair or whatnot -- I'm
just saying what the law is.

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Lwanda_Magere wrote:
Yes. I said 'widely practiced. Besides, this particular town (which I'm familiar with from newsmagazine reports) is a quote feudal colony /quote and hardly the norm for the entire state. There are a lot of things that are not 'legal' that are practiced in our country. Shall we suggest drunken driving is OK? meauxna, Dont make exceptions. If one place is doing it in the US, it means its being practiced period.

Yes but not widely practiced.
One of reasons I am concerned about coming with one wife and leaving others is because they are very close to one another and if one or more are left, the ones who come here will feel very miserable and depressed, since we are one big family.

That's a problem but if you really believe you'll gonna get them all
over here under the guise of adoption then continue to live as one big
happy family you will run the same risks as the other people here
practicing polygamy illegally.
Though am the head of the family, we are all very close and close-knit family, and if one or more is left, the rest of the unit will not function very well. Please set apart the discrimination and advice how I can unite my family in the states.

Why would you expect anybody to give you advice on how to break the law?!?
Our culture will enrich America's culture one way or another,

No, it won't. It hasn't yet and there's no indication that it will. More
likely it will happen the other way around.
please dont dismiss me because of my culture.

You can ask all nice if you want but most people will not agree with
your lifestyle.

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Lwanda_Magere wrote:
Yes. I said 'widely practiced. Besides, this particular town (which I'm familiar with from newsmagazine reports) is a quote feudal colony /quote and hardly the norm for the entire state. There are a lot of things that are not 'legal' that are practiced in our country. Shall we suggest drunken driving is OK? meauxna, Dont make exceptions. If one place is doing it in the US, it means its being practiced period.

Yes but not widely practiced.
One of reasons I am concerned about coming with one wife and leaving others is because they are very close to one another and if one or more are left, the ones who come here will feel very miserable and depressed, since we are one big family.

That's a problem but if you really believe you'll gonna get them all
over here under the guise of adoption then continue to live as one big
happy family you will run the same risks as the other people here
practicing polygamy illegally.
Though am the head of the family, we are all very close and close-knit family, and if one or more is left, the rest of the unit will not function very well. Please set apart the discrimination and advice how I can unite my family in the states.

Why would you expect anybody to give you advice on how to break the law?!?
Our culture will enrich America's culture one way or another,

No, it won't. It hasn't yet and there's no indication that it will. More
likely it will happen the other way around.
please dont dismiss me because of my culture.

You can ask all nice if you want but most people will not agree with
your lifestyle.

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Lwanda_Magere wrote:
meauxana and DE, There is no need to discriminate.

Yes, there is. Here in the US we do discriminate between law abiders and
law breakers.
Just because my questions are not mainstream, Western, British or maybe something you are not familiar with does not mean I am not entitled to advice like others on this board.

No, it because you are looking to commit illegal acts which disqualifies
you for advice.
Please learn and practice tolerance.

Why?
There are things you can learn from other cultures,

You mean you think we have 0 tolerance? Quite incorrect.
no culture is perfect.

Including yours.

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Lwanda_Magere wrote:
meauxana and DE, There is no need to discriminate.

Yes, there is. Here in the US we do discriminate between law abiders and
law breakers.
Just because my questions are not mainstream, Western, British or maybe something you are not familiar with does not mean I am not entitled to advice like others on this board.

No, it because you are looking to commit illegal acts which disqualifies
you for advice.
Please learn and practice tolerance.

Why?
There are things you can learn from other cultures,

You mean you think we have 0 tolerance? Quite incorrect.
no culture is perfect.

Including yours.

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meauxna wrote:
I think you are sick! I think you had better educate yourself about the US and its laws and customs as you do not seem anywhere near ready to come and live here. FYI, this is a civilised country where men and women have equal rights. DE: This is a civilised immigration discussion group where posters strive to keep an open mind about other cultures/customs.

Nobody's really closed their minds about this. It's quite simple. The
answer to the question is no - period. It's not legal. Sorry. Pick some
other country where it is legal and go there.

Cultures, like people, do not deserve respect. Respect is earned. I see
nothing here indicating that respect for this culture was earned yet. In
fact that is not even questioned.
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meauxna wrote:
I think you are sick! I think you had better educate yourself about the US and its laws and customs as you do not seem anywhere near ready to come and live here. FYI, this is a civilised country where men and women have equal rights. DE: This is a civilised immigration discussion group where posters strive to keep an open mind about other cultures/customs.

Nobody's really closed their minds about this. It's quite simple. The
answer to the question is no - period. It's not legal. Sorry. Pick some
other country where it is legal and go there.

Cultures, like people, do not deserve respect. Respect is earned. I see
nothing here indicating that respect for this culture was earned yet. In
fact that is not even questioned.
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Okay, let's get this straight once and for all: My name is ELVIRA; Donna is my title ;) I used to have this boyfriend called Don Giovanni, but things got kind of difficult... Mozart wrote a whole opera about it: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- /B00005UW7G/qid=1116902276/sr=8-3/ref=pd_csp_3/103-5145234- 6091867?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846 Anyway, I'm married now, and have been for a very long time, so unfortunately I won't be able to take up Lwanda's offer of his hand in marriage. Hang on, he's already got 3 Missuses, so how does this work - does he give his feet in marriage too? ;)

:D:D:D

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Okay, let's get this straight once and for all: My name is ELVIRA; Donna is my title ;) I used to have this boyfriend called Don Giovanni, but things got kind of difficult... Mozart wrote a whole opera about it: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- /B00005UW7G/qid=1116902276/sr=8-3/ref=pd_csp_3/103-5145234- 6091867?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846 Anyway, I'm married now, and have been for a very long time, so unfortunately I won't be able to take up Lwanda's offer of his hand in marriage. Hang on, he's already got 3 Missuses, so how does this work - does he give his feet in marriage too? ;)

:D:D:D

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Lwanda_Magere wrote: meauxana and DE, There is no need to discriminate. Yes, there is. Here in the US we do discriminate between law abiders and law breakers. Just because my questions are not mainstream, Western, British or maybe something you are not familiar with does not mean I am not entitled to advice like others on this board. No, it because you are looking to commit illegal acts which disqualifies you for advice. Please learn and practice tolerance. Why? There are things you can learn from other cultures, You mean you think we have 0 tolerance? Quite incorrect. no culture is perfect. Including yours. -- All of us could take a lesson from the weather. It pays no attention to criticism.

Andrew:

This post is not nice. Your second post is and is quite accurate.

What the OP wants to do would appear quite legal under HIS culture and
legal system. Unfortunately for him, under United States law it is not.
End of story. But an interesting discussion nonetheless.

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Lwanda_Magere wrote: meauxana and DE, There is no need to discriminate. Yes, there is. Here in the US we do discriminate between law abiders and law breakers. Just because my questions are not mainstream, Western, British or maybe something you are not familiar with does not mean I am not entitled to advice like others on this board. No, it because you are looking to commit illegal acts which disqualifies you for advice. Please learn and practice tolerance. Why? There are things you can learn from other cultures, You mean you think we have 0 tolerance? Quite incorrect. no culture is perfect. Including yours. -- All of us could take a lesson from the weather. It pays no attention to criticism.

Andrew:

This post is not nice. Your second post is and is quite accurate.

What the OP wants to do would appear quite legal under HIS culture and
legal system. Unfortunately for him, under United States law it is not.
End of story. But an interesting discussion nonetheless.

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Folinskyinla wrote:
Andrew: This post is not nice.

First off, I fail to see where it was "not nice". Secondly, I'm not
required to be "nice". Finally... Tough ****. (There I said it).
Your second post is and is quite accurate. What the OP wants to do would appear quite legal under HIS culture and legal system.

I never said it wasn't. However, I don't think it takes a brain surgeon
to figure out that his ploy of adopting his other two wives is just to
get around immigration law (hence as reprehensible as say marriage
fraud) and I doubt if anybody thinks he's gonna adopt them then stop
being their husband. Come on! Get real!
Unfortunately for him, under United States law it is not.

Pretty much my point. Thanks for affirming it. Now does this mean now
that you are also "not nice"? ;-)
End of story. But an interesting discussion nonetheless.

Quite...

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Folinskyinla wrote:
Andrew: This post is not nice.

First off, I fail to see where it was "not nice". Secondly, I'm not
required to be "nice". Finally... Tough ****. (There I said it).
Your second post is and is quite accurate. What the OP wants to do would appear quite legal under HIS culture and legal system.

I never said it wasn't. However, I don't think it takes a brain surgeon
to figure out that his ploy of adopting his other two wives is just to
get around immigration law (hence as reprehensible as say marriage
fraud) and I doubt if anybody thinks he's gonna adopt them then stop
being their husband. Come on! Get real!
Unfortunately for him, under United States law it is not.

Pretty much my point. Thanks for affirming it. Now does this mean now
that you are also "not nice"? ;-)
End of story. But an interesting discussion nonetheless.

Quite...

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Okay, let's get this straight once and for all: My name is ELVIRA; Donna is my title ;) I used to have this boyfriend called Don Giovanni, but things got kind of difficult... Mozart wrote a whole opera about it: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- /B00005UW7G/qid=1116902276/sr=8-3/ref=pd_csp_3/103-5145234- 6091867?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846 Anyway, I'm married now, and have been for a very long time, so unfortunately I won't be able to take up Lwanda's offer of his hand in marriage. Hang on, he's already got 3 Missuses, so how does this work - does he give his feet in marriage too? ;)

To Donna,
Technically, you can say yes I do give my 'feet', but a few points are
in order:
-I will put into you one foot in the marriage, since you share me with
the other 3;
-The other 3 need to first accept you into their 'circle of wives';
-Once they accept you, you will need to get past the issue of jealousy
which is always the hardest part for the 'new wife'.

We have been trying to diversify culturally, so you will be welcome with
ideas that revitalize the union.

Your apparent knowledge of the law would help guide us into what we can
improve on.

The only issue that seems to work against you is the current marriage.

All the best.


To everyone else,
First the guy who mentioned East Africa is almost correct.

Secondly, it appears I may have a problem getting the whole act
together, especially given Mr.Folinsky's explanation.

To the Andrew guy who said 'respect is earned', can you give me a list
of things that earn your culture respect? In this case, since we are
talking US culture, have you been reading the news in the past one year?
Those news speak for themselves.

Otherwise am glad that this board is very helpful with some very open
minded people and a bunch of the opposite, but thank you everyone for
your help. I will decide what to do in due course.

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Okay, let's get this straight once and for all: My name is ELVIRA; Donna is my title ;) I used to have this boyfriend called Don Giovanni, but things got kind of difficult... Mozart wrote a whole opera about it: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- /B00005UW7G/qid=1116902276/sr=8-3/ref=pd_csp_3/103-5145234- 6091867?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846 Anyway, I'm married now, and have been for a very long time, so unfortunately I won't be able to take up Lwanda's offer of his hand in marriage. Hang on, he's already got 3 Missuses, so how does this work - does he give his feet in marriage too? ;)

To Donna,
Technically, you can say yes I do give my 'feet', but a few points are
in order:
-I will put into you one foot in the marriage, since you share me with
the other 3;
-The other 3 need to first accept you into their 'circle of wives';
-Once they accept you, you will need to get past the issue of jealousy
which is always the hardest part for the 'new wife'.

We have been trying to diversify culturally, so you will be welcome with
ideas that revitalize the union.

Your apparent knowledge of the law would help guide us into what we can
improve on.

The only issue that seems to work against you is the current marriage.

All the best.


To everyone else,
First the guy who mentioned East Africa is almost correct.

Secondly, it appears I may have a problem getting the whole act
together, especially given Mr.Folinsky's explanation.

To the Andrew guy who said 'respect is earned', can you give me a list
of things that earn your culture respect? In this case, since we are
talking US culture, have you been reading the news in the past one year?
Those news speak for themselves.

Otherwise am glad that this board is very helpful with some very open
minded people and a bunch of the opposite, but thank you everyone for
your help. I will decide what to do in due course.

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To Donna, Technically, you can say yes I do give my 'feet', but a few points are in order: -I will put into you one foot in the marriage, since you share me with the other 3; -The other 3 need to first accept you into their 'circle of wives'; -Once they accept you, you will need to get past the issue of jealousy which is always the hardest part for the 'new wife'. We have been trying to diversify culturally, so you will be welcome with ideas that revitalize the union. Your apparent knowledge of the law would help guide us into what we can improve on. The only issue that seems to work against you is the current marriage. All the best. To everyone else, First the guy who mentioned East Africa is almost correct. Secondly, it appears I may have a problem getting the whole act together, especially given Mr.Folinsky's explanation. To the Andrew guy who said 'respect is earned', can you give me a list of things that earn your culture respect? In this case, since we are talking US culture, have you been reading the news in the past one year? Those news speak for themselves. Otherwise am glad that this board is very helpful with some very open minded people and a bunch of the opposite, but thank you everyone for your help. I will decide what to do in due course. ===================================

Okay... 4 words... "Raise the Red Lantern"

Ian

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To Donna, Technically, you can say yes I do give my 'feet', but a few points are in order: -I will put into you one foot in the marriage, since you share me with the other 3; -The other 3 need to first accept you into their 'circle of wives'; -Once they accept you, you will need to get past the issue of jealousy which is always the hardest part for the 'new wife'. We have been trying to diversify culturally, so you will be welcome with ideas that revitalize the union. Your apparent knowledge of the law would help guide us into what we can improve on. The only issue that seems to work against you is the current marriage. All the best. To everyone else, First the guy who mentioned East Africa is almost correct. Secondly, it appears I may have a problem getting the whole act together, especially given Mr.Folinsky's explanation. To the Andrew guy who said 'respect is earned', can you give me a list of things that earn your culture respect? In this case, since we are talking US culture, have you been reading the news in the past one year? Those news speak for themselves. Otherwise am glad that this board is very helpful with some very open minded people and a bunch of the opposite, but thank you everyone for your help. I will decide what to do in due course. ===================================

Okay... 4 words... "Raise the Red Lantern"

Ian

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To the OP: How old are your wives?

There seem to me two obvious solutions:

1. Chicken Fox and Bag of Grain

Bring over Wife 1 and Children

Wife 1 obtains status, divorce Wife 1 (I think you just have to recant
it 3 times and hand back the bullock, but best to check)

Marry Wife 2 and obtain an immigrant visa for her, CR1 seems to
be quickest.

Wife 2 obtains status, divorce Wife 2

Marry Wife 3 and obtain an immigrant visa for her.

Move to Utah were they seem to find such arrangements quite acceptable,
though the African aspect might not go down too well.

2. Bring over Wife 1 and Children

Wait for children of 2 and 3 to acquire USC status and age 21 so they
can sponsor their mothers.

Now that leaves what to do with 2 and 3 whilst waiting. The obvious
solution would be Au Pair visa's or a B2. I believe that the US Embassy
in Lagos is particulary understanding of this type of situation.

If you retain the services of an immigration lawyer I would first check
if they charge per head or per family, the former could get a bit
expensive.

You might want to look at the Africa Forum of Visajourney.com, they
probably have a sticky on this situation.

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To the OP: How old are your wives?

There seem to me two obvious solutions:

1. Chicken Fox and Bag of Grain

Bring over Wife 1 and Children

Wife 1 obtains status, divorce Wife 1 (I think you just have to recant
it 3 times and hand back the bullock, but best to check)

Marry Wife 2 and obtain an immigrant visa for her, CR1 seems to
be quickest.

Wife 2 obtains status, divorce Wife 2

Marry Wife 3 and obtain an immigrant visa for her.

Move to Utah were they seem to find such arrangements quite acceptable,
though the African aspect might not go down too well.

2. Bring over Wife 1 and Children

Wait for children of 2 and 3 to acquire USC status and age 21 so they
can sponsor their mothers.

Now that leaves what to do with 2 and 3 whilst waiting. The obvious
solution would be Au Pair visa's or a B2. I believe that the US Embassy
in Lagos is particulary understanding of this type of situation.

If you retain the services of an immigration lawyer I would first check
if they charge per head or per family, the former could get a bit
expensive.

You might want to look at the Africa Forum of Visajourney.com, they
probably have a sticky on this situation.

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Lwanda_Magere wrote:
To the Andrew guy who said 'respect is earned', can you give me a list of things that earn your culture respect?

No, I don't care to. If you remember properly it's you who is the one
who wants to enter "my" house (country). As such it is your problem and
it is you that must be prepared to abide by the rules and grant respect
to us if you wish to come here. Otherwise stay the hell away! We don't
need you here. If I wished to come there then perhaps I'd be interested,
but I don't want to go to your country, hence I don't give a rats ***
about you nor your country or culture. Just don't come barging into my
house and demanding respect for your ways and culture. You will be
summarily be kicked out the door.
In this case, since we are talking US culture, have you been reading the news in the past one year?

I've been reading the news for a lot more than the past year. Of course
there are all kinds of news sources and publications. I, for example,
don't read nor pay much attention to the Enquirer or say People Magazine.
Those news speak for themselves.

Yes they sure do. And Americans have made lots of news, both good and
bad. But there's no excepting the fact that Americans are very
productive, ingenious, generate wealth, goods, services and more
inventions for the good of society here and abroad than just about any
other country in the world. As for cultural things, there is no
mistaking that the world looks to places like Hollywood as the center of
the movie industry. American music is mimicked and stolen the world
round. The list of American entertainers and their influence on the
world and the world of music and the arts is enormous! Advances in
computers, including animation and video games are rivaled by none
except perhaps Japan. How many countries around the world mimic American
democracy? Have "congresses" and "constitutions", etc.? Signs of
American culture are present all over the globe. And it is by and large
mimicked by others around the world instead of installed by America. And
with good reason. America is the wealthiest and one of the most
productive societies the world has seen. Its no wonder that other
countries mimic what happens here because they want to be like us. It's
no wonder that millions attempt to immigrate here because they want to
share in the riches. And it's no wonder than many countries hate us in
their envy. They bemoan our capitalism and yet you will see such
infamous and reviled companies like Coke, Pepsi, McDonalds, Microsoft,
etc. prevalent in their countries. What does that say except envy?

What influence has African (sorry I don't believe you named your
country) culture given to the world? What people in the world look to
Africa for cultural guidance? For social, economic or knowledge? None.

And let's not forget the fact that you seem eager to come here and share
in such wealth, knowledge and freedom. Surely sir if you felt the US was
that bad you would not go to lengths, even illegal lengths were you
would willingly put yourself, your 3 wives and 13 kids in danger and
harms way to get here. There is no mistaking the fact that whatever you
think of US culture you sure seem willing to join it.

Otherwise I suggest you take you and your silly assed clan/tribe to some
other country that is better suited to your "culture".

--
Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you
please. - Mark Twain

Lwanda_Magere wrote:
To the Andrew guy who said 'respect is earned', can you give me a list of things that earn your culture respect?

No, I don't care to. If you remember properly it's you who is the one
who wants to enter "my" house (country). As such it is your problem and
it is you that must be prepared to abide by the rules and grant respect
to us if you wish to come here. Otherwise stay the hell away! We don't
need you here. If I wished to come there then perhaps I'd be interested,
but I don't want to go to your country, hence I don't give a rats ***
about you nor your country or culture. Just don't come barging into my
house and demanding respect for your ways and culture. You will be
summarily be kicked out the door.
In this case, since we are talking US culture, have you been reading the news in the past one year?

I've been reading the news for a lot more than the past year. Of course
there are all kinds of news sources and publications. I, for example,
don't read nor pay much attention to the Enquirer or say People Magazine.
Those news speak for themselves.

Yes they sure do. And Americans have made lots of news, both good and
bad. But there's no excepting the fact that Americans are very
productive, ingenious, generate wealth, goods, services and more
inventions for the good of society here and abroad than just about any
other country in the world. As for cultural things, there is no
mistaking that the world looks to places like Hollywood as the center of
the movie industry. American music is mimicked and stolen the world
round. The list of American entertainers and their influence on the
world and the world of music and the arts is enormous! Advances in
computers, including animation and video games are rivaled by none
except perhaps Japan. How many countries around the world mimic American
democracy? Have "congresses" and "constitutions", etc.? Signs of
American culture are present all over the globe. And it is by and large
mimicked by others around the world instead of installed by America. And
with good reason. America is the wealthiest and one of the most
productive societies the world has seen. Its no wonder that other
countries mimic what happens here because they want to be like us. It's
no wonder that millions attempt to immigrate here because they want to
share in the riches. And it's no wonder than many countries hate us in
their envy. They bemoan our capitalism and yet you will see such
infamous and reviled companies like Coke, Pepsi, McDonalds, Microsoft,
etc. prevalent in their countries. What does that say except envy?

What influence has African (sorry I don't believe you named your
country) culture given to the world? What people in the world look to
Africa for cultural guidance? For social, economic or knowledge? None.

And let's not forget the fact that you seem eager to come here and share
in such wealth, knowledge and freedom. Surely sir if you felt the US was
that bad you would not go to lengths, even illegal lengths were you
would willingly put yourself, your 3 wives and 13 kids in danger and
harms way to get here. There is no mistaking the fact that whatever you
think of US culture you sure seem willing to join it.

Otherwise I suggest you take you and your silly assed clan/tribe to some
other country that is better suited to your "culture".

--
Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you
please. - Mark Twain

To Donna, Technically, you can say yes I do give my 'feet', but a few points are in order: -I will put into you one foot in the marriage, since you share me with the other 3; -The other 3 need to first accept you into their 'circle of wives'; -Once they accept you, you will need to get past the issue of jealousy which is always the hardest part for the 'new wife'. We have been trying to diversify culturally, so you will be welcome with ideas that revitalize the union. Your apparent knowledge of the law would help guide us into what we can improve on. The only issue that seems to work against you is the current marriage. All the best. To everyone else, First the guy who mentioned East Africa is almost correct. Secondly, it appears I may have a problem getting the whole act together, especially given Mr.Folinsky's explanation. To the Andrew guy who said 'respect is earned', can you give me a list of things that earn your culture respect? In this case, since we are talking US culture, have you been reading the news in the past one year? Those news speak for themselves. Otherwise am glad that this board is very helpful with some very open minded people and a bunch of the opposite, but thank you everyone for your help. I will decide what to do in due course. ===================================

What is that supposed to mean?

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To Donna, Technically, you can say yes I do give my 'feet', but a few points are in order: -I will put into you one foot in the marriage, since you share me with the other 3; -The other 3 need to first accept you into their 'circle of wives'; -Once they accept you, you will need to get past the issue of jealousy which is always the hardest part for the 'new wife'. We have been trying to diversify culturally, so you will be welcome with ideas that revitalize the union. Your apparent knowledge of the law would help guide us into what we can improve on. The only issue that seems to work against you is the current marriage. All the best. To everyone else, First the guy who mentioned East Africa is almost correct. Secondly, it appears I may have a problem getting the whole act together, especially given Mr.Folinsky's explanation. To the Andrew guy who said 'respect is earned', can you give me a list of things that earn your culture respect? In this case, since we are talking US culture, have you been reading the news in the past one year? Those news speak for themselves. Otherwise am glad that this board is very helpful with some very open minded people and a bunch of the opposite, but thank you everyone for your help. I will decide what to do in due course. ===================================

What is that supposed to mean?

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Hi: Sigh. Let me put it this way -- US law has a very strong policy against polygamy. There is a venerable BIA case called "Darwish" -- I don't recall the citation -- which governed a part of this issue. The petitioner has a second marriage in Jordan, which allowed plural marriage. The BIA ruled that, although the marriage was valid in Jordan, it would NOT be recognized for US purposes. Furthermore, it is a ground of inadmissibility to come to the US to practice polygamy -- section 212(a)(10) of the Act -- so if you intend to have more than one wife in the US, YOU are inadmissible. Please, no comments on whether this is right, fair or whatnot -- I'm just saying what the law is.

OP has lots of "culture" or, at least his handle has... It took me 1 sec
to find on Google:

The Legend of Lwanda Magere
(An African version of the Samson and Delilah story)

A long time ago
In the land of the Luo,
There lived a might warrior,
His name, Lwanda Magere.

They say he was of stone,
And not of flesh and bone.
Because from every battle
He got no wounds at all.

His mark he did inscribe
On the other weaker tribes.
And though it sounds impossible,
The Luo became invincible.

One weaker tribe, the Kipsigis,
Wanted Luo dominance to cease.
So they called upon their Elders,
"Oh Wise Ones, please help us!"

The Elders' final solution
Was in the form of a vision
Of utter, undiluted loveliness,
A gift from the Kipsigis.

The Luo people accepted
And to Lwanda she was wedded.
And during their marital bliss,
'tween the two tribes, there was peace.

But on the day the peace was shattered,
Lwanda had returned bruised and battered.
So in order to be treated,
He told his wife his secret.

The Kipsigis praised their Wise Ones
For finding a worthy solution.
For the gift the Luo were deceived by,
Was a trained Kipsigis spy!

In the ensuing war:
Kipsigis versus Luo,
Lwanda was the hero
Till someone speared his shadow.

Now that fallen warrior
His name, Lwanda Magere,
His lifeless flesh and bones
Were transformed into stone.

The moral of this story,
Is clear for all to see.
All have an Achilles' heel -
And Lwanda's stone is real.

© Mildred Achoch, 2005, All Rights Reserved.

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Hi: Sigh. Let me put it this way -- US law has a very strong policy against polygamy. There is a venerable BIA case called "Darwish" -- I don't recall the citation -- which governed a part of this issue. The petitioner has a second marriage in Jordan, which allowed plural marriage. The BIA ruled that, although the marriage was valid in Jordan, it would NOT be recognized for US purposes. Furthermore, it is a ground of inadmissibility to come to the US to practice polygamy -- section 212(a)(10) of the Act -- so if you intend to have more than one wife in the US, YOU are inadmissible. Please, no comments on whether this is right, fair or whatnot -- I'm just saying what the law is.

OP has lots of "culture" or, at least his handle has... It took me 1 sec
to find on Google:

The Legend of Lwanda Magere
(An African version of the Samson and Delilah story)

A long time ago
In the land of the Luo,
There lived a might warrior,
His name, Lwanda Magere.

They say he was of stone,
And not of flesh and bone.
Because from every battle
He got no wounds at all.

His mark he did inscribe
On the other weaker tribes.
And though it sounds impossible,
The Luo became invincible.

One weaker tribe, the Kipsigis,
Wanted Luo dominance to cease.
So they called upon their Elders,
"Oh Wise Ones, please help us!"

The Elders' final solution
Was in the form of a vision
Of utter, undiluted loveliness,
A gift from the Kipsigis.

The Luo people accepted
And to Lwanda she was wedded.
And during their marital bliss,
'tween the two tribes, there was peace.

But on the day the peace was shattered,
Lwanda had returned bruised and battered.
So in order to be treated,
He told his wife his secret.

The Kipsigis praised their Wise Ones
For finding a worthy solution.
For the gift the Luo were deceived by,
Was a trained Kipsigis spy!

In the ensuing war:
Kipsigis versus Luo,
Lwanda was the hero
Till someone speared his shadow.

Now that fallen warrior
His name, Lwanda Magere,
His lifeless flesh and bones
Were transformed into stone.

The moral of this story,
Is clear for all to see.
All have an Achilles' heel -
And Lwanda's stone is real.

© Mildred Achoch, 2005, All Rights Reserved.

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Lwanda_Magere wrote: To the Andrew guy who said 'respect is earned', can you give me a list of things that earn your culture respect? No, I don't care to. If you remember properly it's you who is the one who wants to enter "my" house (country). As such it is your problem and it is you that must be prepared to abide by the rules and grant respect to us if you wish to come here. Otherwise stay the hell away! We don't need you here. If I wished to come there then perhaps I'd be interested, but I don't want to go to your country, hence I don't give a rats *** about you nor your country or culture. Just don't come barging into my house and demanding respect for your ways and culture. You will be summarily be kicked out the door. In this case, since we are talking US culture, have you been reading the news in the past one year? I've been reading the news for a lot more than the past year. Of course there are all kinds of news sources and publications. I, for example, don't read nor pay much attention to the Enquirer or say People Magazine. Those news speak for themselves. Yes they sure do. And Americans have made lots of news, both good and bad. But there's no excepting the fact that Americans are very productive, ingenious, generate wealth, goods, services and more inventions for the good of society here and abroad than just about any other country in the world. As for cultural things, there is no mistaking that the world looks to places like Hollywood as the center of the movie industry. American music is mimicked and stolen the world round. The list of American entertainers and their influence on the world and the world of music and the arts is enormous! Advances in computers, including animation and video games are rivaled by none except perhaps Japan. How many countries around the world mimic American democracy? Have "congresses" and "constitutions", etc.? Signs of American culture are present all over the globe. And it is by and large mimicked by others around the world instead of installed by America. And with good reason. America is the wealthiest and one of the most productive societies the world has seen. Its no wonder that other countries mimic what happens here because they want to be like us. It's no wonder that millions attempt to immigrate here because they want to share in the riches. And it's no wonder than many countries hate us in their envy. They bemoan our capitalism and yet you will see such infamous and reviled companies like Coke, Pepsi, McDonalds, Microsoft, etc. prevalent in their countries. What does that say except envy? What influence has African (sorry I don't believe you named your country) culture given to the world? What people in the world look to Africa for cultural guidance? For social, economic or knowledge? None. And let's not forget the fact that you seem eager to come here and share in such wealth, knowledge and freedom. Surely sir if you felt the US was that bad you would not go to lengths, even illegal lengths were you would willingly put yourself, your 3 wives and 13 kids in danger and harms way to get here. There is no mistaking the fact that whatever you think of US culture you sure seem willing to join it. Otherwise I suggest you take you and your silly assed clan/tribe to some other country that is better suited to your "culture". -- Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. - Mark Twain

What in the heck are you talking about?? Your "home" or "house" or
whatever you refer to it as, was built on the backs and sweat of african
slaves. African culture has contributed a lot to this world, maybe you
should look it up and read about it, because apparently you are very
ignorant where that is concerned and may I say, bordering on sounding
racist. Anyway pick up a book about african culture and read it, or The
history of blacks in america, maybe you'll learn something.

http://www.uwm.edu/StudentOrg/NSBE/bie.html
http://www.swagga.com/inventors.htm
http://www.princeton.edu/~mcbrown/display/faces.html
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/30/

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TIMELINE:

• April 22th, 1999 - Filed for K-1 Visa at the TSC.

• May 4th, 1999 - Received 1st N
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Lwanda_Magere wrote: To the Andrew guy who said 'respect is earned', can you give me a list of things that earn your culture respect? No, I don't care to. If you remember properly it's you who is the one who wants to enter "my" house (country). As such it is your problem and it is you that must be prepared to abide by the rules and grant respect to us if you wish to come here. Otherwise stay the hell away! We don't need you here. If I wished to come there then perhaps I'd be interested, but I don't want to go to your country, hence I don't give a rats *** about you nor your country or culture. Just don't come barging into my house and demanding respect for your ways and culture. You will be summarily be kicked out the door. In this case, since we are talking US culture, have you been reading the news in the past one year? I've been reading the news for a lot more than the past year. Of course there are all kinds of news sources and publications. I, for example, don't read nor pay much attention to the Enquirer or say People Magazine. Those news speak for themselves. Yes they sure do. And Americans have made lots of news, both good and bad. But there's no excepting the fact that Americans are very productive, ingenious, generate wealth, goods, services and more inventions for the good of society here and abroad than just about any other country in the world. As for cultural things, there is no mistaking that the world looks to places like Hollywood as the center of the movie industry. American music is mimicked and stolen the world round. The list of American entertainers and their influence on the world and the world of music and the arts is enormous! Advances in computers, including animation and video games are rivaled by none except perhaps Japan. How many countries around the world mimic American democracy? Have "congresses" and "constitutions", etc.? Signs of American culture are present all over the globe. And it is by and large mimicked by others around the world instead of installed by America. And with good reason. America is the wealthiest and one of the most productive societies the world has seen. Its no wonder that other countries mimic what happens here because they want to be like us. It's no wonder that millions attempt to immigrate here because they want to share in the riches. And it's no wonder than many countries hate us in their envy. They bemoan our capitalism and yet you will see such infamous and reviled companies like Coke, Pepsi, McDonalds, Microsoft, etc. prevalent in their countries. What does that say except envy? What influence has African (sorry I don't believe you named your country) culture given to the world? What people in the world look to Africa for cultural guidance? For social, economic or knowledge? None. And let's not forget the fact that you seem eager to come here and share in such wealth, knowledge and freedom. Surely sir if you felt the US was that bad you would not go to lengths, even illegal lengths were you would willingly put yourself, your 3 wives and 13 kids in danger and harms way to get here. There is no mistaking the fact that whatever you think of US culture you sure seem willing to join it. Otherwise I suggest you take you and your silly assed clan/tribe to some other country that is better suited to your "culture". -- Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. - Mark Twain

What in the heck are you talking about?? Your "home" or "house" or
whatever you refer to it as, was built on the backs and sweat of african
slaves. African culture has contributed a lot to this world, maybe you
should look it up and read about it, because apparently you are very
ignorant where that is concerned and may I say, bordering on sounding
racist. Anyway pick up a book about african culture and read it, or The
history of blacks in america, maybe you'll learn something.

http://www.uwm.edu/StudentOrg/NSBE/bie.html
http://www.swagga.com/inventors.htm
http://www.princeton.edu/~mcbrown/display/faces.html
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/30/

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TIMELINE:

• April 22th, 1999 - Filed for K-1 Visa at the TSC.

• May 4th, 1999 - Received 1st N
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trasmus wrote:
What in the heck are you talking about?? Your "home" or "house" or whatever you refer to it as, was built on the backs and sweat of african slaves.

First off, what happened over 150 years ago is not me. Slavery was
abolished long ago. Secondly the slaves are hardly responsible for
building the country - parts of it, yes - but not the whole country. And
there hasn't been a slave building anything for at least 150 years!
African culture has contributed a lot to this world, maybe you should look it up and read about it, because apparently you are very ignorant where that is concerned

No I just largely disagree with you. Are you attempting to say that the
advances in society since say 1950 until the present were done with
either slaves or through African culture?
and may I say, bordering on sounding racist.

I don't give a **** if you think I'm a racist. I ain't but if you need
to believe that then have at it.
Anyway pick up a book about african culture and read it, or The history of blacks in america, maybe you'll learn something.

Blacks in America long ago is not the same as present day America and
present day Africa. I have no interest nor desire to learn anything more
than I already know about African culture. If you think that makes me a
racist then so be it.

--
Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.

trasmus wrote:
What in the heck are you talking about?? Your "home" or "house" or whatever you refer to it as, was built on the backs and sweat of african slaves.

First off, what happened over 150 years ago is not me. Slavery was
abolished long ago. Secondly the slaves are hardly responsible for
building the country - parts of it, yes - but not the whole country. And
there hasn't been a slave building anything for at least 150 years!
African culture has contributed a lot to this world, maybe you should look it up and read about it, because apparently you are very ignorant where that is concerned

No I just largely disagree with you. Are you attempting to say that the
advances in society since say 1950 until the present were done with
either slaves or through African culture?
and may I say, bordering on sounding racist.

I don't give a **** if you think I'm a racist. I ain't but if you need
to believe that then have at it.
Anyway pick up a book about african culture and read it, or The history of blacks in america, maybe you'll learn something.

Blacks in America long ago is not the same as present day America and
present day Africa. I have no interest nor desire to learn anything more
than I already know about African culture. If you think that makes me a
racist then so be it.

--
Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.

Boiler wrote:

You haven't by any chance been taking a philosophy/logical thinking
class lately have you, Boiler?

K.
To the OP: How old are your wives? There seem to me two obvious solutions: 1. Chicken Fox and Bag of Grain Bring over Wife 1 and Children Wife 1 obtains status, divorce Wife 1 (I think you just have to recant it 3 times and hand back the bullock, but best to check) Marry Wife 2 and obtain an immigrant visa for her, CR1 seems to be quickest. Wife 2 obtains status, divorce Wife 2 Marry Wife 3 and obtain an immigrant visa for her. Move to Utah were they seem to find such arrangements quite acceptable, though the African aspect might not go down too well. 2. Bring over Wife 1 and Children Wait for children of 2 and 3 to acquire USC status and age 21 so they can sponsor their mothers. Now that leaves what to do with 2 and 3 whilst waiting. The obvious solution would be Au Pair visa's or a B2. I believe that the US Embassy in Lagos is particulary understanding of this type of situation. If you retain the services of an immigration lawyer I would first check if they charge per head or per family, the former could get a bit expensive. You might want to look at the Africa Forum of Visajourney.com, they probably have a sticky on this situation.

Boiler wrote:

You haven't by any chance been taking a philosophy/logical thinking
class lately have you, Boiler?

K.
To the OP: How old are your wives? There seem to me two obvious solutions: 1. Chicken Fox and Bag of Grain Bring over Wife 1 and Children Wife 1 obtains status, divorce Wife 1 (I think you just have to recant it 3 times and hand back the bullock, but best to check) Marry Wife 2 and obtain an immigrant visa for her, CR1 seems to be quickest. Wife 2 obtains status, divorce Wife 2 Marry Wife 3 and obtain an immigrant visa for her. Move to Utah were they seem to find such arrangements quite acceptable, though the African aspect might not go down too well. 2. Bring over Wife 1 and Children Wait for children of 2 and 3 to acquire USC status and age 21 so they can sponsor their mothers. Now that leaves what to do with 2 and 3 whilst waiting. The obvious solution would be Au Pair visa's or a B2. I believe that the US Embassy in Lagos is particulary understanding of this type of situation. If you retain the services of an immigration lawyer I would first check if they charge per head or per family, the former could get a bit expensive. You might want to look at the Africa Forum of Visajourney.com, they probably have a sticky on this situation.

From: Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.visa.us.marriage-based Subject: Re: How Does Us Law Treat Polygamy? References: <35$304806$2418806$1116896774@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418809$1116896846@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418931$1116901315@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418483$1116887982@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418523$1116888734@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418529$1116888898@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418726$1116894950@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418806$1116896774@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418809$1116896846@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418483$1116887982@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418523$1116888734@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418529$1116888898@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418726$1116894950@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418806$1116896774@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418809$1116896846@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418931$1116901315@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418953$1116902453@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2419737$1116927532@britishexpats.com> <_QHke.1847$W51.14482@typhoon.sonic.net> <35$304806$2422150$1116965728@britishexpats.com> In-Reply-To: <35$304806$2422150$1116965728@britishexpats.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090504030801010400090506" Lines: 62 Message-ID: <AvMke.1914$W51.14725@typhoon.sonic.net> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 20:53:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.21.185.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1116968032 207.21.185.19 (Tue, 24 May 2005 13:53:52 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:53:52 PDT Path: news.travelera.com!sn-us!sn-xit-10!sn-xit-06!sn-xit- s.moat.net!nntp.xusenet.com!feed.news.sonic.net!ty phoon.sonic.net!not- for-mail Xref: news.travelera.com alt.visa.us.marriage-based:477830 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090504030801010400090506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit trasmus wrote: What in the heck are you talking about?? Your "home" or "house" or whatever you refer to it as, was built on the backs and sweat of african slaves. First off, what happened over 150 years ago is not me. Slavery was abolished long ago. Secondly the slaves are hardly responsible for building the country - parts of it, yes - but not the whole country. And there hasn't been a slave building anything for at least 150 years! African culture has contributed a lot to this world, maybe you should look it up and read about it, because apparently you are very ignorant where that is concerned No I just largely disagree with you. Are you attempting to say that the advances in society since say 1950 until the present were done with either slaves or through African culture? and may I say, bordering on sounding racist. I don't give a **** if you think I'm a racist. I ain't but if you need to believe that then have at it. Anyway pick up a book about african culture and read it, or The history of blacks in america, maybe you'll learn something. Blacks in America long ago is not the same as present day America and present day Africa. I have no interest nor desire to learn anything more than I already know about African culture. If you think that makes me a racist then so be it. -- Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies. --------------090504030801010400090506 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="Andrew.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Andrew.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Andrew DeFaria n:DeFaria;Andrew adr:;;6265 Kelez Court;San Jose;California;95120-2819;United States email;internet:Andrew@DeFaria.com tel;work:408-979-4311 tel;fax:408-997-6900 tel;home:408-997-6900 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://defaria.com version:2.1 end:vcard --------------090504030801010400090506--

[QUOTE=Andrew DeFaria]From: Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com>
QUOTE]


I can see that you are just an all around asshole, so I won't waste my
time in a debate with you. As for not giving a ****, that goes both
ways. Igorance is bliss as that say, and in your case, you dwell in a
utopia of ignorance.

--
TIMELINE:

• April 22th, 1999 - Filed for K-1 Visa at the TSC.

• May 4th, 1999 - Received 1st N
Posted via http://britishexpats.com

From: Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.visa.us.marriage-based Subject: Re: How Does Us Law Treat Polygamy? References: <35$304806$2418806$1116896774@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418809$1116896846@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418931$1116901315@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418483$1116887982@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418523$1116888734@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418529$1116888898@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418726$1116894950@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418806$1116896774@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418809$1116896846@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418483$1116887982@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418523$1116888734@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418529$1116888898@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418726$1116894950@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418806$1116896774@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418809$1116896846@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418931$1116901315@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2418953$1116902453@britishexpats.com> <35$304806$2419737$1116927532@britishexpats.com> <_QHke.1847$W51.14482@typhoon.sonic.net> <35$304806$2422150$1116965728@britishexpats.com> In-Reply-To: <35$304806$2422150$1116965728@britishexpats.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090504030801010400090506" Lines: 62 Message-ID: <AvMke.1914$W51.14725@typhoon.sonic.net> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 20:53:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.21.185.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1116968032 207.21.185.19 (Tue, 24 May 2005 13:53:52 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:53:52 PDT Path: news.travelera.com!sn-us!sn-xit-10!sn-xit-06!sn-xit- s.moat.net!nntp.xusenet.com!feed.news.sonic.net!ty phoon.sonic.net!not- for-mail Xref: news.travelera.com alt.visa.us.marriage-based:477830 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090504030801010400090506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit trasmus wrote: What in the heck are you talking about?? Your "home" or "house" or whatever you refer to it as, was built on the backs and sweat of african slaves. First off, what happened over 150 years ago is not me. Slavery was abolished long ago. Secondly the slaves are hardly responsible for building the country - parts of it, yes - but not the whole country. And there hasn't been a slave building anything for at least 150 years! African culture has contributed a lot to this world, maybe you should look it up and read about it, because apparently you are very ignorant where that is concerned No I just largely disagree with you. Are you attempting to say that the advances in society since say 1950 until the present were done with either slaves or through African culture? and may I say, bordering on sounding racist. I don't give a **** if you think I'm a racist. I ain't but if you need to believe that then have at it. Anyway pick up a book about african culture and read it, or The history of blacks in america, maybe you'll learn something. Blacks in America long ago is not the same as present day America and present day Africa. I have no interest nor desire to learn anything more than I already know about African culture. If you think that makes me a racist then so be it. -- Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies. --------------090504030801010400090506 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="Andrew.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Andrew.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Andrew DeFaria n:DeFaria;Andrew adr:;;6265 Kelez Court;San Jose;California;95120-2819;United States email;internet:Andrew@DeFaria.com tel;work:408-979-4311 tel;fax:408-997-6900 tel;home:408-997-6900 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://defaria.com version:2.1 end:vcard --------------090504030801010400090506--

[QUOTE=Andrew DeFaria]From: Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com>
QUOTE]


I can see that you are just an all around asshole, so I won't waste my
time in a debate with you. As for not giving a ****, that goes both
ways. Igorance is bliss as that say, and in your case, you dwell in a
utopia of ignorance.

--
TIMELINE:

• April 22th, 1999 - Filed for K-1 Visa at the TSC.

• May 4th, 1999 - Received 1st N
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[QUOTE=Andrew DeFaria]From: Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> QUOTE] I can see that you are just an all around a<edited>, so I won't waste my time in a debate with you. As for not giving a ****[e], that goes both ways. Igorance is bliss as that say, and in your case, you dwell in a utopia of ignorance.

I rarely agree with Andrew but in this instance I do fully. Slavery was
abolished in 1865. The slave community was pervalent in the South and
not the North or West of this country at that time. To say that the
slave community built America is a stretch of the imagination. The
slave population that was brought to America was by the English and the
Dutch. It was not by the Americans until further in history. The
English and the Dutch could not have brought the slaves here without the
full cooperation of the tribal chiefs on the African continent who sold
off members of their tribes and the tribes that they conquered for the
almight dollar.

The blacks that inhabitant the US today are a far cry in status from the
slaves of 140 years ago and most never had American Slaves as ancestors.
Today's blacks in America come from Africa by choice, South America, the
Caribbean and other countries.

And yes I agree with you, as well. Black heritage as contributed much
to the cultural makeup of the US. Music, dance, writing, painting,
inventions, etc. are all an important part of "our" history. It is not
Black History only but history of the US and the world. Why single it
out as only Black History.

Perhaps it is time for blacks as well as whites to put this subject to
rest and get on with living the best lives that we can for ourselves,
our families and our community.

--
I'm not an attorney. This disclaimer is valid in NYS!
Posted via http://britishexpats.com

[QUOTE=Andrew DeFaria]From: Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> QUOTE] I can see that you are just an all around a<edited>, so I won't waste my time in a debate with you. As for not giving a ****[e], that goes both ways. Igorance is bliss as that say, and in your case, you dwell in a utopia of ignorance.

I rarely agree with Andrew but in this instance I do fully. Slavery was
abolished in 1865. The slave community was pervalent in the South and
not the North or West of this country at that time. To say that the
slave community built America is a stretch of the imagination. The
slave population that was brought to America was by the English and the
Dutch. It was not by the Americans until further in history. The
English and the Dutch could not have brought the slaves here without the
full cooperation of the tribal chiefs on the African continent who sold
off members of their tribes and the tribes that they conquered for the
almight dollar.

The blacks that inhabitant the US today are a far cry in status from the
slaves of 140 years ago and most never had American Slaves as ancestors.
Today's blacks in America come from Africa by choice, South America, the
Caribbean and other countries.

And yes I agree with you, as well. Black heritage as contributed much
to the cultural makeup of the US. Music, dance, writing, painting,
inventions, etc. are all an important part of "our" history. It is not
Black History only but history of the US and the world. Why single it
out as only Black History.

Perhaps it is time for blacks as well as whites to put this subject to
rest and get on with living the best lives that we can for ourselves,
our families and our community.

--
I'm not an attorney. This disclaimer is valid in NYS!
Posted via http://britishexpats.com

To Donna, Technically, you can say yes I do give my 'feet', but a few points are in order: -I will put into you one foot in the marriage, since you share me with the other 3; -The other 3 need to first accept you into their 'circle of wives'; -Once they accept you, you will need to get past the issue of jealousy which is always the hardest part for the 'new wife'. We have been trying to diversify culturally, so you will be welcome with ideas that revitalize the union. Your apparent knowledge of the law would help guide us into what we can improve on. The only issue that seems to work against you is the current marriage. All the best. To everyone else, First the guy who mentioned East Africa is almost correct. Secondly, it appears I may have a problem getting the whole act together, especially given Mr.Folinsky's explanation. To the Andrew guy who said 'respect is earned', can you give me a list of things that earn your culture respect? In this case, since we are talking US culture, have you been reading the news in the past one year? Those news speak for themselves. Otherwise am glad that this board is very helpful with some very open minded people and a bunch of the opposite, but thank you everyone for your help. I will decide what to do in due course. ===================================

We don't have to respect or tolerate a polygamist culture because it is
illegal in this country. It's also illegal for a practicing polygamist
to immigrate to the United States, or Canada.

Polygamy is illegal just like marrying your sister, having relations
with animals and pedophilia are all illegal. Although this type of
thing may be prevelant in some other parts of the world, it is not
allowed here.

It's also an oppressive practice that cheapens the value of women in
society. It's essentially a collection of women slaves who are in
cultural and economic servitude. If you disagree, then explain why it's
never a woman who has multiple husbands.

--
Posted via http://britishexpats.com

To Donna, Technically, you can say yes I do give my 'feet', but a few points are in order: -I will put into you one foot in the marriage, since you share me with the other 3; -The other 3 need to first accept you into their 'circle of wives'; -Once they accept you, you will need to get past the issue of jealousy which is always the hardest part for the 'new wife'. We have been trying to diversify culturally, so you will be welcome with ideas that revitalize the union. Your apparent knowledge of the law would help guide us into what we can improve on. The only issue that seems to work against you is the current marriage. All the best. To everyone else, First the guy who mentioned East Africa is almost correct. Secondly, it appears I may have a problem getting the whole act together, especially given Mr.Folinsky's explanation. To the Andrew guy who said 'respect is earned', can you give me a list of things that earn your culture respect? In this case, since we are talking US culture, have you been reading the news in the past one year? Those news speak for themselves. Otherwise am glad that this board is very helpful with some very open minded people and a bunch of the opposite, but thank you everyone for your help. I will decide what to do in due course. ===================================

We don't have to respect or tolerate a polygamist culture because it is
illegal in this country. It's also illegal for a practicing polygamist
to immigrate to the United States, or Canada.

Polygamy is illegal just like marrying your sister, having relations
with animals and pedophilia are all illegal. Although this type of
thing may be prevelant in some other parts of the world, it is not
allowed here.

It's also an oppressive practice that cheapens the value of women in
society. It's essentially a collection of women slaves who are in
cultural and economic servitude. If you disagree, then explain why it's
never a woman who has multiple husbands.

--
Posted via http://britishexpats.com

We don't have to respect or tolerate a polygamist culture because it is illegal in this country. It's also illegal for a practicing polygamist to immigrate to the United States, or Canada. Polygamy is illegal just like marrying your sister, having relations with animals and pedophilia are all illegal. Although this type of thing may be prevelant in some other parts of the world, it is not allowed here. It's also an oppressive practice that cheapens the value of women in society. It's essentially a collection of women slaves who are in cultural and economic servitude. If you disagree, then explain why it's never a woman who has multiple husbands.

I don't usually butt in to these kinds of posts, but I do have the
answer to this one. Long ago, the purpose of multiple wives (long ago)
was to pro-create. A man had many wives to he could have more children,
for a variety of reasons beneficial to him. It didn't do any good for a
woman to have multiple husbands, as she could only bear one child at a
time anyway...but a man could produce many children with more than one
wife. Another reason was that when men would go off to battle and get
killed, women would lose their husbands, which created a higher ratio of
women to men in a village. Instead of those women staying alone, they
could marry someone with an existing wife and thus belong to a family
and be protected.

Of course that was long ago and times have changed. I'm just trying to
answer the question of why not multiple husbands.

Rene

--
Posted via http://britishexpats.com

We don't have to respect or tolerate a polygamist culture because it is illegal in this country. It's also illegal for a practicing polygamist to immigrate to the United States, or Canada. Polygamy is illegal just like marrying your sister, having relations with animals and pedophilia are all illegal. Although this type of thing may be prevelant in some other parts of the world, it is not allowed here. It's also an oppressive practice that cheapens the value of women in society. It's essentially a collection of women slaves who are in cultural and economic servitude. If you disagree, then explain why it's never a woman who has multiple husbands.

I don't usually butt in to these kinds of posts, but I do have the
answer to this one. Long ago, the purpose of multiple wives (long ago)
was to pro-create. A man had many wives to he could have more children,
for a variety of reasons beneficial to him. It didn't do any good for a
woman to have multiple husbands, as she could only bear one child at a
time anyway...but a man could produce many children with more than one
wife. Another reason was that when men would go off to battle and get
killed, women would lose their husbands, which created a higher ratio of
women to men in a village. Instead of those women staying alone, they
could marry someone with an existing wife and thus belong to a family
and be protected.

Of course that was long ago and times have changed. I'm just trying to
answer the question of why not multiple husbands.

Rene

--
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I don't usually butt in to these kinds of posts, but I do have the answer to this one. Long ago, the purpose of multiple wives (long ago) was to pro-create. A man had many wives to he could have more children, for a variety of reasons beneficial to him. It didn't do any good for a woman to have multiple husbands, as she could only bear one child at a time anyway...but a man could produce many children with more than one wife. Another reason was that when men would go off to battle and get killed, women would lose their husbands, which created a higher ratio of women to men in a village. Instead of those women staying alone, they could marry someone with an existing wife and thus belong to a family and be protected. Of course that was long ago and times have changed. I'm just trying to answer the question of why not multiple husbands. Rene

You make good points. It may also come down to the fact that women
aren't allowed to own property in some cultures. Taking on multiple
wives could help combine and consolidate business interests as well.
Either way, it's outdated.

--
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I don't usually butt in to these kinds of posts, but I do have the answer to this one. Long ago, the purpose of multiple wives (long ago) was to pro-create. A man had many wives to he could have more children, for a variety of reasons beneficial to him. It didn't do any good for a woman to have multiple husbands, as she could only bear one child at a time anyway...but a man could produce many children with more than one wife. Another reason was that when men would go off to battle and get killed, women would lose their husbands, which created a higher ratio of women to men in a village. Instead of those women staying alone, they could marry someone with an existing wife and thus belong to a family and be protected. Of course that was long ago and times have changed. I'm just trying to answer the question of why not multiple husbands. Rene

You make good points. It may also come down to the fact that women
aren't allowed to own property in some cultures. Taking on multiple
wives could help combine and consolidate business interests as well.
Either way, it's outdated.

--
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"DonnaElvira" <member35233@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:35$304806$2418803$1116896649@britishexpats.co m... Y'gotta admit, it's certainly more entertaining than other such posts! Ian Quite! The mind boggles... I mean, was this guy serious? Did he really think he could turn up here with 3 wives in tow? Talk about being unprepared for life in the US...

My d-i-l's biological father has at least 2 wives. He dumped one and
married another with no divorce. I think he is on his 3rd. Some do have
more than 1 wife living with them. Not unheard of in Africa.

Mike D.
-- Posted via http://britishexpats.com

"DonnaElvira" <member35233@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:35$304806$2418803$1116896649@britishexpats.co m... Y'gotta admit, it's certainly more entertaining than other such posts! Ian Quite! The mind boggles... I mean, was this guy serious? Did he really think he could turn up here with 3 wives in tow? Talk about being unprepared for life in the US...

My d-i-l's biological father has at least 2 wives. He dumped one and
married another with no divorce. I think he is on his 3rd. Some do have
more than 1 wife living with them. Not unheard of in Africa.

Mike D.
-- Posted via http://britishexpats.com

We don't have to respect or tolerate a polygamist culture because it is illegal in this country. It's also illegal for a practicing polygamist to immigrate to the United States, or Canada. Polygamy is illegal just like marrying your sister, having relations with animals and pedophilia are all illegal. Although this type of thing may be prevelant in some other parts of the world, it is not allowed here. It's also an oppressive practice that cheapens the value of women in society. It's essentially a collection of women slaves who are in cultural and economic servitude. If you disagree, then explain why it's never a woman who has multiple husbands.

Hi:

Several pedantic notes:

While its true that the OP is engaged in polygyny, the question dealt
with polygamy and was not limited to just to polygyny: IOW, polyandry
is also frowned upon. [Robert Heinlien wrote a novel in 1966, "The Moon
Is A Harsh Mistress" which posited a socient in which polyandry was a
common form of marriage along with group marriages and polygyny was
unheard of -- women were highly valued due to their scarcity].

Also, it is NOT illegal for a polygamist to immigrate to the US. What
is illegal is for the person to come TO the US in order to practice
polygamy. That is the basis of my original statment that he can bring
senior wife and all 13 kids and the junior two wives cannot immigrate.

--
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Immigration & Nat. Law
Cal. Bar Board of Legal Specialization
Posted via http://britishexpats.com

We don't have to respect or tolerate a polygamist culture because it is illegal in this country. It's also illegal for a practicing polygamist to immigrate to the United States, or Canada. Polygamy is illegal just like marrying your sister, having relations with animals and pedophilia are all illegal. Although this type of thing may be prevelant in some other parts of the world, it is not allowed here. It's also an oppressive practice that cheapens the value of women in society. It's essentially a collection of women slaves who are in cultural and economic servitude. If you disagree, then explain why it's never a woman who has multiple husbands.

Hi:

Several pedantic notes:

While its true that the OP is engaged in polygyny, the question dealt
with polygamy and was not limited to just to polygyny: IOW, polyandry
is also frowned upon. [Robert Heinlien wrote a novel in 1966, "The Moon
Is A Harsh Mistress" which posited a socient in which polyandry was a
common form of marriage along with group marriages and polygyny was
unheard of -- women were highly valued due to their scarcity].

Also, it is NOT illegal for a polygamist to immigrate to the US. What
is illegal is for the person to come TO the US in order to practice
polygamy. That is the basis of my original statment that he can bring
senior wife and all 13 kids and the junior two wives cannot immigrate.

--
Certified Specialist
Immigration & Nat. Law
Cal. Bar Board of Legal Specialization
Posted via http://britishexpats.com

I rarely agree with Andrew but in this instance I do fully. Slavery was abolished in 1865. The slave community was pervalent in the South and not the North or West of this country at that time. To say that the slave community built America is a stretch of the imagination. The slave population that was brought to America was by the English and the Dutch. It was not by the Americans until further in history. The English and the Dutch could not have brought the slaves here without the full cooperation of the tribal chiefs on the African continent who sold off members of their tribes and the tribes that they conquered for the almight dollar. The blacks that inhabitant the US today are a far cry in status from the slaves of 140 years ago and most never had American Slaves as ancestors. Today's blacks in America come from Africa by choice, South America, the Caribbean and other countries. And yes I agree with you, as well. Black heritage as contributed much to the cultural makeup of the US. Music, dance, writing, painting, inventions, etc. are all an important part of "our" history. It is not Black History only but history of the US and the world. Why single it out as only Black History. Perhaps it is time for blacks as well as whites to put this subject to rest and get on with living the best lives that we can for ourselves, our families and our community.

In other words, niggers get over it, the almighty Rete has spoken.

Black people shup up, the great white queen has deemed your insolence to
be excessive and your complaints to be HEARD NO MORE.

No get back to makin' pancakes for Massa Rete.

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I rarely agree with Andrew but in this instance I do fully. Slavery was abolished in 1865. The slave community was pervalent in the South and not the North or West of this country at that time. To say that the slave community built America is a stretch of the imagination. The slave population that was brought to America was by the English and the Dutch. It was not by the Americans until further in history. The English and the Dutch could not have brought the slaves here without the full cooperation of the tribal chiefs on the African continent who sold off members of their tribes and the tribes that they conquered for the almight dollar. The blacks that inhabitant the US today are a far cry in status from the slaves of 140 years ago and most never had American Slaves as ancestors. Today's blacks in America come from Africa by choice, South America, the Caribbean and other countries. And yes I agree with you, as well. Black heritage as contributed much to the cultural makeup of the US. Music, dance, writing, painting, inventions, etc. are all an important part of "our" history. It is not Black History only but history of the US and the world. Why single it out as only Black History. Perhaps it is time for blacks as well as whites to put this subject to rest and get on with living the best lives that we can for ourselves, our families and our community.

In other words, niggers get over it, the almighty Rete has spoken.

Black people shup up, the great white queen has deemed your insolence to
be excessive and your complaints to be HEARD NO MORE.

No get back to makin' pancakes for Massa Rete.

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What in the heck are you talking about?? Your "home" or "house" or whatever you refer to it as, was built on the backs and sweat of african slaves. African culture has contributed a lot to this world, maybe you should look it up and read about it, because apparently you are very ignorant where that is concerned and may I say, bordering on sounding racist. Anyway pick up a book about african culture and read it, or The history of blacks in america, maybe you'll learn something. http://www.uwm.edu/StudentOrg/NSBE/bie.html http://www.swagga.com/inventors.htm http://www.princeton.edu/~mcbrown/display/faces.html http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/30/

Remember, this is a man who could not obtain a half-normal wife in the
United States and had to go search out poor women in Ukranie who would
only talk to such a wierdo if he guaranteed them a Green Card. How much
worse is this from a Kenyan briging in 3 wives, than for Andrew to bring
in a sinlge poor Ukranian?

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What in the heck are you talking about?? Your "home" or "house" or whatever you refer to it as, was built on the backs and sweat of african slaves. African culture has contributed a lot to this world, maybe you should look it up and read about it, because apparently you are very ignorant where that is concerned and may I say, bordering on sounding racist. Anyway pick up a book about african culture and read it, or The history of blacks in america, maybe you'll learn something. http://www.uwm.edu/StudentOrg/NSBE/bie.html http://www.swagga.com/inventors.htm http://www.princeton.edu/~mcbrown/display/faces.html http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/30/

Remember, this is a man who could not obtain a half-normal wife in the
United States and had to go search out poor women in Ukranie who would
only talk to such a wierdo if he guaranteed them a Green Card. How much
worse is this from a Kenyan briging in 3 wives, than for Andrew to bring
in a sinlge poor Ukranian?

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Remember, this is a man who could not obtain a half-normal wife in the United States and had to go search out poor women in Ukranie who would only talk to such a wierdo if he guaranteed them a Green Card. How much worse is this from a Kenyan briging in 3 wives, than for Andrew to bring in a sinlge poor Ukranian?

Can anyone tell me why we care what Rete and Andrew think about the
contributions of black history? Why am I even responding to this?

I have to stop biting the bait of the severely
ignorant...................

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Remember, this is a man who could not obtain a half-normal wife in the United States and had to go search out poor women in Ukranie who would only talk to such a wierdo if he guaranteed them a Green Card. How much worse is this from a Kenyan briging in 3 wives, than for Andrew to bring in a sinlge poor Ukranian?

Can anyone tell me why we care what Rete and Andrew think about the
contributions of black history? Why am I even responding to this?

I have to stop biting the bait of the severely
ignorant...................

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DCMark wrote:
Can anyone tell me why we care what Rete and Andrew think about the contributions of black history? Why am I even responding to this?

Only you can answer that one.
I have to stop biting the bait of the severely ignorant...................

Is that like biting your nails? ;-)
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DCMark wrote:
Can anyone tell me why we care what Rete and Andrew think about the contributions of black history? Why am I even responding to this?

Only you can answer that one.
I have to stop biting the bait of the severely ignorant...................

Is that like biting your nails? ;-)
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You cannot achieve the impossible without attempting the absurd.

In other words, niggers get over it, the almighty Rete has spoken. Black people shup up, the great white queen has deemed your insolence to be excessive and your complaints to be HEARD NO MORE. No get back to makin' pancakes for Massa Rete.

Oh puh leeze................

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In other words, niggers get over it, the almighty Rete has spoken. Black people shup up, the great white queen has deemed your insolence to be excessive and your complaints to be HEARD NO MORE. No get back to makin' pancakes for Massa Rete.

Oh puh leeze................

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Can anyone tell me why we care what Rete and Andrew think about the contributions of black history? Why am I even responding to this? I have to stop biting the bait of the severely ignorant...................

Just put a smile on you face ......
http://www.wernersplace.com/images/Truth%20behind%20the%20Internet.jpg

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Can anyone tell me why we care what Rete and Andrew think about the contributions of black history? Why am I even responding to this? I have to stop biting the bait of the severely ignorant...................

Just put a smile on you face ......
http://www.wernersplace.com/images/Truth%20behind%20the%20Internet.jpg

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I don't usually butt in to these kinds of posts, but I do have the answer to this one. Long ago, the purpose of multiple wives (long ago) was to pro-create. A man had many wives to he could have more children, for a variety of reasons beneficial to him. It didn't do any good for a woman to have multiple husbands, as she could only bear one child at a time anyway...but a man could produce many children with more than one wife. Another reason was that when men would go off to battle and get killed, women would lose their husbands, which created a higher ratio of women to men in a village. Instead of those women staying alone, they could marry someone with an existing wife and thus belong to a family and be protected. Of course that was long ago and times have changed. I'm just trying to answer the question of why not multiple husbands. Rene

Okay... three words... "Paint Your Wagon".

Ian

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I don't usually butt in to these kinds of posts, but I do have the answer to this one. Long ago, the purpose of multiple wives (long ago) was to pro-create. A man had many wives to he could have more children, for a variety of reasons beneficial to him. It didn't do any good for a woman to have multiple husbands, as she could only bear one child at a time anyway...but a man could produce many children with more than one wife. Another reason was that when men would go off to battle and get killed, women would lose their husbands, which created a higher ratio of women to men in a village. Instead of those women staying alone, they could marry someone with an existing wife and thus belong to a family and be protected. Of course that was long ago and times have changed. I'm just trying to answer the question of why not multiple husbands. Rene

Okay... three words... "Paint Your Wagon".

Ian

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Okay... three words... "Paint Your Wagon". Ian

Not that anyone will miss me, but I have decided that life is too short
to be debating anything with intellectual giants such as Rete and
Andrew. I will let you know how the removal of conditions go and will
continue to converse privately with those interested in my experiences
obtaining an EU passport.

Otherwise, this list is too high-brow for me and there are not
enough trolls.

Au revior!

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Okay... three words... "Paint Your Wagon". Ian

Not that anyone will miss me, but I have decided that life is too short
to be debating anything with intellectual giants such as Rete and
Andrew. I will let you know how the removal of conditions go and will
continue to converse privately with those interested in my experiences
obtaining an EU passport.

Otherwise, this list is too high-brow for me and there are not
enough trolls.

Au revior!

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Not that anyone will miss me, but I have decided that life is too short to be debating anything with intellectual giants such as Rete and Andrew. I will let you know how the removal of conditions go and will continue to converse privately with those interested in my experiences obtaining an EU passport. Otherwise, this list is too high-brow for me and there are not enough trolls. Au revior!

You better learn to spell au revoir then.

Bon voyage

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Not that anyone will miss me, but I have decided that life is too short to be debating anything with intellectual giants such as Rete and Andrew. I will let you know how the removal of conditions go and will continue to converse privately with those interested in my experiences obtaining an EU passport. Otherwise, this list is too high-brow for me and there are not enough trolls. Au revior!

You better learn to spell au revoir then.

Bon voyage

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Not that anyone will miss me, but I have decided that life is too short to be debating anything with intellectual giants such as Rete and Andrew. I will let you know how the removal of conditions go and will continue to converse privately with those interested in my experiences obtaining an EU passport. Otherwise, this list is too high-brow for me and there are not enough trolls. Au revior!

Hey,
Don't go. You made me wet my pants with the n%$#@r comment! And my
stepfather is black! (mom's white) Hey, wassup? :)

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Not that anyone will miss me, but I have decided that life is too short to be debating anything with intellectual giants such as Rete and Andrew. I will let you know how the removal of conditions go and will continue to converse privately with those interested in my experiences obtaining an EU passport. Otherwise, this list is too high-brow for me and there are not enough trolls. Au revior!

Hey,
Don't go. You made me wet my pants with the n%$#@r comment! And my
stepfather is black! (mom's white) Hey, wassup? :)

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