Does she stand a chance? [Archive]

Mr.Bedi

02-27-2005, 08:39 AM

lele

02-27-2005, 10:35 AM

I am an American PR who applied for my wife's PR in April 2002 (I-130 - F2A). I have been waiting ever since to meet her and finally unite in the U.S.. She is a Indian Citizen who recently got her Canadian Immigration and moved to Canada and is living in Toronto. My Question is, is it worth applying for a Visitor visa for her to visit me, while her case is filed for PR, does she stand a chance? Has it ever happened that someone got a visitor visa to visit U.S. while a I-130 petition has been pending in the U.S.? If yes, any tips on how to present the application at the consulate would be helpfull because if she gets that visa it could really get me out of a jam here as I am pretty much a vagabond between US and Canada, and am constantly jeopordizing my job at the same time. Any other adivices / tips would be very much appreciated. Regards, Bedi

Bedi,

Your situation is common for many people who come from China (which is
where my immigration experiences come from). Additionally, other
friends of mine in Edison NJ who have come from India respond with
similar answers:

1. have her *try* for the B2 visa. There is always some hope for that

2. have her try for a J1 visa if she wants to study.

3. have her try for an H1 visa (she may have to give up her Canadian
residence to do this one though)

4. move to Canada and acquire residence status there to live together
(this is a serious option which more and more people with Chinese and
Indian passports are doing, especially since well educated ones can
easily get residence in Canada).

5. both of you move back to India (this is something that most of the
Chinese people do -- Move back to their Home Country when they get
frustrated by all of this, and wait there, at least being together!).
So long as you return to the US once a year for at least a day, you
can remain a LPR. It is also worth considering that if the US keeps
you and your love apart for so long, that maybe it is not the best
place to live in (sorry for being harsh, but it is a reality that my
darling and I may in the future decide that would be best for us as
well...and I know of others who already have done so).

Good Luck!

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ian-mstm

02-27-2005, 12:01 PM

lele

02-27-2005, 12:14 PM

Most Chinese people move to India? How odd! Ian

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Rete

02-27-2005, 12:31 PM

Bedi, Your situation is common for many people who come from China (which is where my immigration experiences come from). Additionally, other friends of mine in Edison NJ who have come from India respond with similar answers: 1. have her *try* for the B2 visa. There is always some hope for that 2. have her try for a J1 visa if she wants to study. 3. have her try for an H1 visa (she may have to give up her Canadian residence to do this one though) 4. move to Canada and acquire residence status there to live together (this is a serious option which more and more people with Chinese and Indian passports are doing, especially since well educated ones can easily get residence in Canada). 5. both of you move back to India (this is something that most of the Chinese people do -- Move back to their Home Country when they get frustrated by all of this, and wait there, at least being together!). So long as you return to the US once a year for at least a day, you can remain a LPR. It is also worth considering that if the US keeps you and your love apart for so long, that maybe it is not the best place to live in (sorry for being harsh, but it is a reality that my darling and I may in the future decide that would be best for us as well...and I know of others who already have done so). Good Luck!

A student visa is an F-1 not J-1.

You can be out of Canada for a very long time and not lose Canadian
residency. However H-1B visas are depleted at present. New quotas are
not until October 2005 for 2006.

So long as you return to the US once a year for at least a day, you can
remain a LPR. It is also worth considering that if the US keeps you
and your love apart for so long, that maybe it is not the best place to
live in (sorry for being harsh, but it is a reality that my darling and
I may in the future decide that would be best for us as well...and I
know of others who already have done so).

Good Luck![/QUOTE]

Very very very untrue as written. You can leave the US for up to two
years with an approved I-131 travel document. However, you still
have to maintain the US as your permanent residence and if you have
to you have to show that proof to an immigration official and/or
immigration judge.

Rete

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Folinskyinla

02-27-2005, 12:35 PM

Bedi, Your situation is common for many people who come from China (which is where my immigration experiences come from). Additionally, other friends of mine in Edison NJ who have come from India respond with similar answers: 1. have her *try* for the B2 visa. There is always some hope for that 2. have her try for a J1 visa if she wants to study. 3. have her try for an H1 visa (she may have to give up her Canadian residence to do this one though) 4. move to Canada and acquire residence status there to live together (this is a serious option which more and more people with Chinese and Indian passports are doing, especially since well educated ones can easily get residence in Canada). 5. both of you move back to India (this is something that most of the Chinese people do -- Move back to their Home Country when they get frustrated by all of this, and wait there, at least being together!). So long as you return to the US once a year for at least a day, you can remain a LPR. It is also worth considering that if the US keeps you and your love apart for so long, that maybe it is not the best place to live in (sorry for being harsh, but it is a reality that my darling and I may in the future decide that would be best for us as well...and I know of others who already have done so). Good Luck!

Hi:

A very loud SCREAM -- no, NO, NO!, NO!!!!. This is a commonly held myth
that refuses to die

Go to www.usdoj.gov/eoir and drill down through the "virtual law
library" to the "AG/BIA decisions" link on the left. See Matter of Kane
in Volume 15 and Matter of Huang in volume 19.

The one year number is for validity of the I-551 as a "reentry permit"
and contitnuity of residence for naturalization purposes.

You statement is wrong. Your statement is VERY WRONG. It can hurt
people. [But helps me in the pocketbook -- an appreciable part of my
practice is defending "abandonment" cases].

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Folinskyinla

02-27-2005, 12:38 PM

lele

02-27-2005, 06:25 PM

A student visa is an F-1 not J-1. You can be out of Canada for a very long time and not lose Canadian residency. However H-1B visas are depleted at present. New quotas are not until October 2005 for 2006. So long as you return to the US once a year for at least a day, you can remain a LPR. It is also worth considering that if the US keeps you and your love apart for so long, that maybe it is not the best place to live in (sorry for being harsh, but it is a reality that my darling and I may in the future decide that would be best for us as well...and I know of others who already have done so). Good Luck! Very very very untrue as written. You can leave the US for up to two years with an approved I-131 travel document. However, you still have to maintain the US as your permanent residence and if you have to you have to show that proof to an immigration official and/or immigration judge. Rete[/QUOTE]

a J-1 visa, an *exchange* visa, is COMMONLY USED for students in
Graduate School. In fact, every single student who possesses a Indian
Passport that I know at my University, and that is currently 17 of them,
is here, studying, on a J-1 visa.

Also completely untrue.

My university is still sponsoring more people on H-1 visas. Notice
however, they are not H-1B visas, but are H-1 visas none-the less. And
since there are many universities which are out there, the
possibilities do exist.

Yes, this is true, *given* you apply for this document.

However, if you have a mailing address in the US, and you do not want to
risk this happening, you just have to return at least for 1 day every
364. I know *7* people who do this, some with Switzerland Passports,
some with England Passports, and one with a Chinese passport. There is
**NO** need to show any proof to an immigration official (notice that
most immigration "judges" are not actually judges, but are instead
members of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH of the government --- another
technically correct wording, but highly misleading). I think it makes
life easier to just return at least 1 day every 364.

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lele

02-27-2005, 06:28 PM

Hi: A very loud SCREAM -- no, NO, NO!, NO!!!!. This is a commonly held myth that refuses to die Go to www.usdoj.gov/eoir and drill down through the "virtual law library" to the "AG/BIA decisions" link on the left. See Matter of Kane in Volume 15 and Matter of Huang in volume 19. The one year number is for validity of the I-551 as a "reentry permit" and contitnuity of residence for naturalization purposes. You statement is wrong. Your statement is VERY WRONG. It can hurt people. [But helps me in the pocketbook -- an appreciable part of my practice is defending "abandonment" cases].

As I said before, there are many people I know who leave the US for up
to 363 days in a row. However, they have ample evidence of *non*
abandonment, such as working for a US company when abroad, or property
in the US which it is obvious that it is meant to be permenantly resided
in for the future.

Has the law really changed in respect to this?

How is abandonment now defined?

I will now read your documents...

I have now read the documents. Am I *wrong* on this, so long as (and
for me it was an obvious caveat) that you have proof that you intend to
reside in the US in the future?

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Boiler

02-27-2005, 06:31 PM

a J-1 visa, an *exchange* visa, is COMMONLY USED for students in Graduate School. In fact, every single student who possesses a Indian Passport that I know at my University, and that is currently 17 of them, is here, studying, on a J-1 visa. Also completely untrue. My university is still sponsoring more people on H-1 visas. Notice however, they are not H-1B visas, but are H-1 visas none-the less. And since there are many universities which are out there, the possibilities do exist. Yes, this is true, *given* you apply for this document. However, if you have a mailing address in the US, and you do not want to risk this happening, you just have to return at least for 1 day every 364. I know *7* people who do this, some with Switzerland Passports, some with England Passports, and one with a Chinese passport. There is **NO** need to show any proof to an immigration official (notice that most immigration "judges" are not actually judges, but are instead members of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH of the government --- another technically correct wording, but highly misleading). I think it makes life easier to just return at least 1 day every 364.

What's an England Passport?

No such citizenship, well not for nearly 300 years.

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crg14624

02-27-2005, 06:33 PM

a J-1 visa, an *exchange* visa, is COMMONLY USED for students in Graduate School. In fact, every single student who possesses a Indian Passport that I know at my University, and that is currently 17 of them, is here, studying, on a J-1 visa. Also completely untrue. My university is still sponsoring more people on H-1 visas. Notice however, they are not H-1B visas, but are H-1 visas none-the less. And since there are many universities which are out there, the possibilities do exist. Yes, this is true, *given* you apply for this document. However, if you have a mailing address in the US, and you do not want to risk this happening, you just have to return at least for 1 day every 364. I know *7* people who do this, some with Switzerland Passports, some with England Passports, and one with a Chinese passport. There is **NO** need to show any proof to an immigration official (notice that most immigration "judges" are not actually judges, but are instead members of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH of the government --- another technically correct wording, but highly misleading). I think it makes life easier to just return at least 1 day every 364.

You really need to stop recommending that LPRs make a visit once a year.
Their place of general abode needs to be within the US. Even having a
reentry permit doesn't release them from the requirement of maintaining
ties to the US. You're going to get people jacked up.

Just because you know 7 people who are doing it, doesn't make it right.
You may also know 7 people who cheat on their taxes, it doesn't make it
legal or right, and they may have the same chance of being caught.

"There is **NO** need to show any proof to an immigration official "

I have no idea where you came up with that garbage either.

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lele

02-27-2005, 06:34 PM

What's an England Passport? No such citizenship, well not for nearly 300 years.

I stand corrected.

A passport which is issued by the nation of "Great Britain", but not by
any of its current or past colonial possessions, including other members
of the commonwealth.

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lele

02-27-2005, 06:36 PM

You really need to stop recommending that LPRs make a visit once a year. Their place of general abode needs to be within the US. Even having a reentry permit doesn't release them from the requirement of maintaining ties to the US. You're going to get people jacked up. Just because you know 7 people who are doing it, doesn't make it right. You may also know 7 people who cheat on their taxes, it doesn't make it legal or right, and they may have the same chance of being caught. "There is **NO** need to show any proof to an immigration official " I have no idea where you came up with that garbage either.

**RETE** is the one who brought up about immigration judges. I was
responding, as you did just here, that it was "garbage".

Please read the above.

I do not care if Rete bans me or not. She said a load of untruths, so
at least she should get the credit for that.

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lele

02-27-2005, 06:50 PM

Hi: A very loud SCREAM -- no, NO, NO!, NO!!!!. This is a commonly held myth that refuses to die Go to www.usdoj.gov/eoir and drill down through the "virtual law library" to the "AG/BIA decisions" link on the left. See Matter of Kane in Volume 15 and Matter of Huang in volume 19. The one year number is for validity of the I-551 as a "reentry permit" and contitnuity of residence for naturalization purposes. You statement is wrong. Your statement is VERY WRONG. It can hurt people. [But helps me in the pocketbook -- an appreciable part of my practice is defending "abandonment" cases].

Here is some *legal* proof to offer which seems to make the issue quite
murky and not as clear cut as "NO NO NO"!!

"wong Hai Chew v. Rogers, 257 F.2d 606 (D.C. Cir., 1958), the court
carried the situation one step further, and declared that not only was
the returning resident alien applying for admission entitled to a
hearing, but he was entitled to a hearing at which the Government bore
the burden of proof. "

http://www.americanlaw.com/maintlpr.html

Additionally, to back my 1 year claim:

"Apart from the issue of abandonment, returning residents must also
comply with INA §212(a)(7)(A)(i) which requires any immigrant to present
a valid unexpired immigrant visa or other valid entry document at the
time of application for admission. A returning resident's Form I-551
(i.e. green card) is a sufficient entry document for the purpose of INA
§212(a)(7)(A)(i) for absences of one year or less."

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lele

02-27-2005, 07:01 PM

I am an American PR who applied for my wife's PR in April 2002 (I-130 - F2A). I have been waiting ever since to meet her and finally unite in the U.S.. She is a Indian Citizen who recently got her Canadian Immigration and moved to Canada and is living in Toronto. My Question is, is it worth applying for a Visitor visa for her to visit me, while her case is filed for PR, does she stand a chance? Has it ever happened that someone got a visitor visa to visit U.S. while a I-130 petition has been pending in the U.S.? If yes, any tips on how to present the application at the consulate would be helpfull because if she gets that visa it could really get me out of a jam here as I am pretty much a vagabond between US and Canada, and am constantly jeopordizing my job at the same time. Any other adivices / tips would be very much appreciated. Regards, Bedi

Sorry everyone for being tied down in minutia.

Let me state my thoughts, looking at the forest and not just the
near-by trees.

They go as follows:

If the government keeps them apart for so long, and if they really love
each other, at least in my mind, and in my actions, the green card is
not a sufficient thing to keep.

I am willing to give up my US Passport, if I must, if I were to be kept
apart for so long. I would certainly give up a Green Card to be
reunified with my family.

So, in the end, to me the family is what is important, and not
the document.

Just remember that this is my position:

So when I see people who seem to gripe about needing to be delayed for a
few weeks, and yet these people have not seriously considered moving to
the other country to live together, then it makes me frustrated.

In the future, I am as open to living with my fiancee anywhere in the
world, as she is to living in the US. In fact, who knows what the
future will hold.

So long as we are together, that is what really matters...

Sorry to miss the point. I mean no offense...

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crg14624

02-27-2005, 07:06 PM

Here is some *legal* proof to offer which seems to make the issue quite murky and not as clear cut as "NO NO NO"!! "wong Hai Chew v. Rogers, 257 F.2d 606 (D.C. Cir., 1958), the court carried the situation one step further, and declared that not only was the returning resident alien applying for admission entitled to a hearing, but he was entitled to a hearing at which the Government bore the burden of proof. " http://www.americanlaw.com/maintlpr.html Additionally, to back my 1 year claim: "Apart from the issue of abandonment, returning residents must also comply with INA §212(a)(7)(A)(i) which requires any immigrant to present a valid unexpired immigrant visa or other valid entry document at the time of application for admission. A returning resident's Form I-551 (i.e. green card) is a sufficient entry document for the purpose of INA §212(a)(7)(A)(i) for absences of one year or less."

"at the time of application for admission"

That says that the I-551 is sufficient to APPLY for entry. It does not
guarantee admission. If they alien appears to have abandoned their
residence they can be served with a Notice to Appear before an
immigration judge for removal proceedings and they will not be admitted.
They will be paroled in to attend the hearing.

Visiting the US once each year is not the same as residing in the US.
Suggesting to someone that visiting once a year is sufficient to fully
comply with the terms of their LPR status is blatantly irresponsible.

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SecretGarden

02-27-2005, 07:10 PM

Sorry everyone for being tied down in minutia. Let me state my thoughts, looking at the forest and not just the near- by trees. They go as follows: If the government keeps them apart for so long, and if they really love each other, at least in my mind, and in my actions, the green card is not a sufficient thing to keep. I am willing to give up my US Passport, if I must, if I were to be kept apart for so long. I would certainly give up a Green Card to be reunified with my family. So, in the end, to me the family is what is important, and not the document. Just remember that this is my position: So when I see people who seem to gripe about needing to be delayed for a few weeks, and yet these people have not seriously considered moving to the other country to live together, then it makes me frustrated. In the future, I am as open to living with my fiancee anywhere in the world, as she is to living in the US. In fact, who knows what the future will hold. So long as we are together, that is what really matters... Sorry to miss the point. I mean no offense...

Absolutely. And there are many ways to "get there", as you stated in
your latest post. Because a person chooses a way that is different from
how you see fit, you criticize and argue with them. Not very
productive.

You and I haven't crossed paths at all yet, but I've been reading your
posts occasionally, with interest. You've done an awful lot of grousing
about your particular situation (in the middle of other people's
threads, I might add), and perhaps if you were to just accept certain
parameters and *get on with it*, you might not feel the need to tell
others what choices to make with their own processes.

And before you go asking how long I waited to bring my (now) husband
over, I'll tell you that each and every minute we were apart was just as
hellish as each and every minute you are away from the one you love.
You don't have the corner on pain.

Respectfully, but getting bored with your attitude,
~SecretGarden

P.S. I wouldn't want to argue with Mr. Folinsky. Ever heard the
expression "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"? Might do
you good to develop some healthy respect for people who not only
*know* more about this subject than you do, but are much *more
helpful* about it as well.

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lele

02-27-2005, 07:11 PM

"at the time of application for admission" That says that the I-551 is sufficient to APPLY for entry. It does not guarantee admission. If they alien appears to have abandoned their residence they can be served with a Notice to Appear before an immigration judge for removal proceedings and they will not be admitted. They will be paroled in to attend the hearing. Visiting the US once each year is not the same as residing in the US. Suggesting to someone that visiting once a year is sufficient to fully comply with the terms of their LPR status is blatantly irresponsible.

You are right ...

If my *only* concern were the maintance of the LPR status, I would
recommend that they do more than the above, such as always filing taxes,
owning property, making sure to still have employment in the US, etc.

However, to recommend this to someone, as an only resort to have a
family stay UNIFIED to me is not irresponsible.

In fact, to tell people to stay apart, or to deal with separation, just
to maintain a LPR status, in my eyes is NOT RESPONSIBLE.

I guess that we just see things differently.

I see that the point of this process is to reunify a family.

And many other people see it as a means to get a Green Card...

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lele

02-27-2005, 07:14 PM

Absolutely. And there are many ways to "get there", as you stated in your latest post. Because a person chooses a way that is different from how you see fit, you criticize and argue with them. Not very productive. You and I haven't crossed paths at all yet, but I've been reading your posts occasionally, with interest. You've done an awful lot of grousing about your particular situation (in the middle of other people's threads, I might add), and perhaps if you were to just accept certain parameters and *get on with it*, you might not feel the need to tell others what choices to make with their own processes. And before you go asking how long I waited to bring my (now) husband over, I'll tell you that each and every minute we were apart was just as hellish as each and every minute you are away from the one you love. You don't have the corner on pain. Respectfully, but getting bored with your attitude, ~SecretGarden P.S. I wouldn't want to argue with Mr. Folinsky. Ever heard the expression "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"? Might do you good to develop some healthy respect for people who not only *know* more about this subject than you do, but are much *more helpful* about it as well.

Thank you.

You are right.

My intention of arguing with him is not to offend him, but to learn more
from him. I mean it is an academic way. I want to try to raise points,
knowing that he has more knowledge than I do, to see if I can learn
something new from his responses.

I will not argue anymore.

You are right, it is out of anger that I argue.

But, in reality, I only want to try to help.

I see my perspective as offering a different avenue: that people should
be as open to moving the other way and living there together, as here,
if that is what is best in the current circumstances.

In the end, I just want people to be together.

If on the other hand, their true intent is to use the marriage just to
obtain the right to live in the US, even if they live with it for the
rest of their lives, then it hurts me and all of us who do not do it for
those reasons, but burdening the system...

wode liang fen.

Thank you for your words...

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SecretGarden

02-27-2005, 07:17 PM

You are right ... If my *only* concern were the maintance of the LPR status, I would recommend that they do more than the above, such as always filing taxes, owning property, making sure to still have employment in the US, etc. However, to recommend this to someone, as an only resort to have a family stay UNIFIED to me is not irresponsible. In fact, to tell people to stay apart, or to deal with separation, just to maintain a LPR status, in my eyes is NOT RESPONSIBLE. I guess that we just see things differently. I see that the point of this process is to reunify a family. And many other people see it as a means to get a Green Card...

No, it isn't. The US government, like it or not, doesn't give a hoot
about how much in *love* you are. And the US government's job is to
keep out all potential immigrants until you jump through their hoops and
prove to them that that person qualifies to be let in.

Wake up and smell the coffee here. There are requirements to bring the
one you love here to live with you in the United States. If you can
fulfill those requirements, they get in. If you can't, they don't. Get
a grip, realize it's going to take a loooong time (sometimes a very long
time), deal with it, realize that your love is powerful enough to last
that long, and be happy that there is someone who loves you enough to go
through this with you.

~SecretGarden

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lele

02-27-2005, 07:21 PM

No, it isn't. The US government, like it or not, doesn't give a hoot about how much in *love* you are. And the US government's job is to keep out all potential immigrants until you jump through their hoops and prove to them that that person qualifies to be let in. Wake up and smell the coffee here. There are requirements to bring the one you love here to live with you in the United States. If you can fulfill those requirements, they get in. If you can't, they don't. Get a grip, realize it's going to take a loooong time (sometimes a very long time), deal with it, realize that your love is powerful enough to last that long, and be happy that there is someone who loves you enough to go through this with you. ~SecretGarden

That is just it though...

I have seen too many people who *DO* fulfill the requirements, but due
to prejudice on the part of people, specifically against these people
from China that I have known, they have not gotten in. Lives have
been ruined.

If it were as you say, that you jump through the hoops, but they are set
fairly, then it would be ok. If you could *promise* to me that you and
everyone here who can vote, will always vote against people who add in
dimensions of racism and prejudice to their actions, then I would just
jump like everyone else.

However, I am starting to finally wake up and see what it is like to be
dark-skinned in this country. And it makes me feel horrible, and as
though I want to help initiate change so that others do not need to go
through the same.

But at any rate, this does not help the poster on this thread...

Thanks for sharing your perspective however! I will think more on it.

And you are right, we should all be happy to have such strong people
with whom we are entangled!

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Folinskyinla

02-27-2005, 07:21 PM

As I said before, there are many people I know who leave the US for up to 363 days in a row. However, they have ample evidence of *non* abandonment, such as working for a US company when abroad, or property in the US which it is obvious that it is meant to be permenantly resided in for the future. Has the law really changed in respect to this? How is abandonment now defined? I will now read your documents... I have now read the documents. Am I *wrong* on this, so long as (and for me it was an obvious caveat) that you have proof that you intend to reside in the US in the future?

Lele:

Yes, a lot of people do this. And a large number end up in removal
proceedings and I get paid for defending them.

I gave you the two "mother" cases in the area. Note how old "Kane" is
-- so its no "change" in the law. "Intent" is a subjective thing and
just plain intent is not enough to do the trick. The "intent" is often
interpreted as "intent to abandon." I have a case now where my client
obtained a green card when she was four years old and never knew it!
She kept coming back to the US every two years to be with her
grandparents every other summer until she was 18, then got an F-1, then
OPT and then H-1b. She changed jobs without getting a new H-1b
petition. And then she went home for a visit and was guestioned at the
POE if she was still working for the petitioner -- she said "no" , was
ordered summarily removed and when the POE-Inspector was entering it in
the computer, up came the old green card. If an applicant for entry has
had a green card, they get a hearing. Suprisingly, the law is quite on
her side in this one -- but the battle contines.

BUT, the one day a year bit is a MYTH -- and one that refuses to die.

BTW, in another post, you mention that people at the University are
getting H-1's all the time. Rete is right on the quota being exhausted
for the time being, and you are right because Universities are not
subject to the quota.

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lele

02-27-2005, 07:23 PM

Lele: Yes, a lot of people do this. And a large number end up in removal proceedings and I get paid for defending them. I gave you the two "mother" cases in the area. Note how old "Kane" is -- so its no "change" in the law. "Intent" is a subjective thing and just plain intent is not enough to do the trick. The "intent" is often interpreted as "intent to abandon." I have a case now where my client obtained a green card when she was four years old and never knew it! She kept coming back to the US every two years to be with her grandparents every other summer until she was 18, then got an F-1, then OPT and then H-1b. She changed jobs without getting a new H-1b petition. And then she went home for a visit and was guestioned at the POE if she was still working for the petitioner -- she said "no" , was ordered summarily removed and when the POE-Inspector was entering it in the computer, up came the old green card. If an applicant for entry has had a green card, they get a hearing. Suprisingly, the law is quite on her side in this one -- but the battle contines. BUT, the one day a year bit is a MYTH -- and one that refuses to die. BTW, in another post, you mention that people at the University are getting H-1's all the time. Rete is right on the quota being exhausted for the time being, and you are right because Universities are not subject to the quota.

Thank you for the very interesting and thoughtful post! :)

I wish your client well on staying out of detention and being able to
persue her life!

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crg14624

02-27-2005, 07:27 PM

Lele: Yes, a lot of people do this. And a large number end up in removal proceedings and I get paid for defending them. I gave you the two "mother" cases in the area. Note how old "Kane" is -- so its no "change" in the law. "Intent" is a subjective thing and just plain intent is not enough to do the trick. The "intent" is often interpreted as "intent to abandon." I have a case now where my client obtained a green card when she was four years old and never knew it! She kept coming back to the US every two years to be with her grandparents every other summer until she was 18, then got an F-1, then OPT and then H-1b. She changed jobs without getting a new H-1b petition. And then she went home for a visit and was guestioned at the POE if she was still working for the petitioner -- she said "no" , was ordered summarily removed and when the POE-Inspector was entering it in the computer, up came the old green card. If an applicant for entry has had a green card, they get a hearing. Suprisingly, the law is quite on her side in this one -- but the battle contines. BUT, the one day a year bit is a MYTH -- and one that refuses to die. BTW, in another post, you mention that people at the University are getting H-1's all the time. Rete is right on the quota being exhausted for the time being, and you are right because Universities are not subject to the quota.

Keep us posted as to the result of the case you described. I guess it
will come down to which judge you get, if the government wants to press
the case all the way, and if you're willing to appeal to the BIA etc.

I imagine her nonimmigrant visa applications could be a big part of the
government's case.

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SecretGarden

02-27-2005, 07:27 PM

That is just it though... I have seen too many people who *DO* fulfill the requirements, but due to prejudice on the part of people, specifically against these people from China that I have known, they have not gotten in. Lives have been ruined. If it were as you say, that you jump through the hoops, but they are set fairly, then it would be ok. If you could *promise* to me that you and everyone here who can vote, will always vote against people who add in dimensions of racism and prejudice to their actions, then I would just jump like everyone else. However, I am starting to finally wake up and see what it is like to be dark-skinned in this country. And it makes me feel horrible, and as though I want to help initiate change so that others do not need to go through the same. But at any rate, this does not help the poster on this thread... Thanks for sharing your perspective however! I will think more on it. And you are right, we should all be happy to have such strong people with whom we are entangled!

But on this point, you are preaching to the choir here on BE. And I've
seen you chastise people who complain about their wait times for their
loved ones; then you go into rants about how long people from China
wait....Lele, it's just not productive.

We're all in the same boat here, waiting for the people we love. I
waited. I waited almost three years to be with my husband. A good deal
of that was waiting for a visa, but some of it was due to circumstances
beyond our control.

I'm not trying to be harsh, really I'm not. Just don't cut off your
nose to spite your face here in the group. You may find if you drop
your anger and agitation you'll learn more than you ever thought you
could about the government, immigration process, law, and more
importantly, the caring and concerned people who will support you in
hard times and share in your joys.

No offense meant, really.

~SecretGarden

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lele

02-27-2005, 07:36 PM

But on this point, you are preaching to the choir here on BE. And I've seen you chastise people who complain about their wait times for their loved ones; then you go into rants about how long people from China wait....Lele, it's just not productive. We're all in the same boat here, waiting for the people we love. I waited. I waited almost three years to be with my husband. A good deal of that was waiting for a visa, but some of it was due to circumstances beyond our control. I'm not trying to be harsh, really I'm not. Just don't cut off your nose to spite your face here in the group. You may find if you drop your anger and agitation you'll learn more than you ever thought you could about the government, immigration process, law, and more importantly, the caring and concerned people who will support you in hard times and share in your joys. No offense meant, really. ~SecretGarden

No offense taken.

In fact, I want to thank you very much.

You have been very helpful and kind with your words.

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Mr.Bedi

02-27-2005, 08:31 PM

No offense taken. In fact, I want to thank you very much. You have been very helpful and kind with your words.

Wow,

Thanks for helping out people :).
But I was still unclear after reading all of this as to wether I should
make my wife apply for visitor visa or not? The Question how much
chance does she have? still stays unanswered, and what she could do
while presenting the application which would increase her chances of
getting it.

Thanks everyone

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lele

02-27-2005, 08:41 PM

Wow, Thanks for helping out people :). But I was still unclear after reading all of this as to wether I should make my wife apply for visitor visa or not? The Question how much chance does she have? still stays unanswered, and what she could do while presenting the application which would increase her chances of getting it. Thanks everyone

I can not say "what exactly she would need to do" to obtain a visa. I
am not sure if there is an "actual formula" or not.

However, in the Chinese Immigration forum, people have posted things
which often lead to a visa being issued (though not always, and even
in your situation, it OCCASIONALLY has led to a visa, although only
very rarely):

1. showing a job in China which paid a salary which was considerable
2. having only one partner in a marriage relationship apply for a visa
(using the other as security to return --- but this does not sound
like a way to go in this case)
3. owning property in China
4. having many siblings and old parents in China that they show they
need to care for
5. Having the USC or the US LPR write a *valid* itinerary for a
*defined* vacation plan, such as location each day, copies of
reservations already booked, etc.
6. Offering to place a *monetary bond* to promise a return trip (usually
this has to be on order of 100,000$US or more to be effective).

For #1, #3, and #5, if you replace China with Canada, this could help.
For #4, unless her siblings/family are in Canada, I am not sure if this
can help.
For #6, I am not sure if you are wealthy enough (I certainly am not!),
but if you offer some bond, it may help.

Good Luck!

The reason I use China as a comparison is that it is relatively
difficult for a Chinese passport holder to obtain a B visa, and hence it
should not be any more difficult for your wife (I hope!).

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Folinskyinla

02-27-2005, 08:42 PM

Mr.Bedi

02-27-2005, 08:46 PM

Hi: I'm a lawyer but I'mnot your lawyer. Also, I am no bookie. So on the odds, I can't help you. All I'm saying is that there is no downside in trying other than the lost filing fee. BTW, "make" her? I've been married for 25 years and you can't "make" your wife do anything.

Thanks very much. :)
I will do so, all I wanted to know was that it wouldn't effect her
already filed case in anyway.

Thanks once again.

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Mr.Bedi

02-27-2005, 08:49 PM

I can not say "what exactly she would need to do" to obtain a visa. I am not sure if there is an "actual formula" or not. However, in the Chinese Immigration forum, people have posted things which often lead to a visa being issued (though not always, and even in your situation, it OCCASIONALLY has led to a visa, although only very rarely): 1. showing a job in China which paid a salary which was considerable 2. having only one partner in a marriage relationship apply for a visa (using the other as security to return --- but this does not sound like a way to go in this case) 3. owning property in China 4. having many siblings and old parents in China that they show they need to care for 5. Having the USC or the US LPR write a *valid* itinerary for a *defined* vacation plan, such as location each day, copies of reservations already booked, etc. 6. Offering to place a *monetary bond* to promise a return trip (usually this has to be on order of 100,000$US or more to be effective). For #1, #3, and #5, if you replace China with Canada, this could help. For #4, unless her siblings/family are in Canada, I am not sure if this can help. For #6, I am not sure if you are wealthy enough (I certainly am not!), but if you offer some bond, it may help. Good Luck! The reason I use China as a comparison is that it is relatively difficult for a Chinese passport holder to obtain a B visa, and hence it should not be any more difficult for your wife (I hope!).

Thanks very much.

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Jonathan McNeil Wong

02-27-2005, 09:02 PM

lele wrote:Most Chinese people move to India? How odd!Ian tingbudong

Falu nin ye butaidong. Qing nin duyibian Folinsky xianshengde message,
ta shuode dui.

Haishi nin zhendemingzi shi David?

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andrea874

02-28-2005, 04:41 AM

Boiler

02-28-2005, 11:08 AM

...here we go again...

Just a thought but if you apply for a B2, and get refused then when you
fill in the I94 you have to declare that you have been refused a Visa,
not that this should be an issue for a subsequent entry on a K visa.

I think lele has got the wrong end of the stick, I seeme to remember
seeing a thread sometime back aaking who would have chose to come to US
if it was not due to the Spouse, most said that that they would not
have, I certainly would not have.

It would have been much easier and quicker and cheaper to have gone the
other way, which we will do at some point. Personal circumstances
decreed otherwise pro tem.

You only have to read some of the other threads about UKC's who have
been refused entry, hassled etc and this is where there is supposed to
be a special relationship.

I know from my friends that there was a surprise it was such a problem,
after all if you go to France you no longer even see an Immigration
officer, straight of the boat and on to the Motorway. If the French no
longer give you grief then why the US is the mindset I think.

The main issue I have with the US system is the time factor, just so
sloooow. From what I can gather the vast majority of legit K's are
approved, eventually.

Wherever they come from, whatever race or creed etc.

PS UKC's are generally not eligible for the Green Card Lottery,
discriminatory???

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Boiler

02-28-2005, 11:08 AM

lele

02-28-2005, 01:45 PM

Just a thought but if you apply for a B2, and get refused then when you fill in the I94 you have to declare that you have been refused a Visa, not that this should be an issue for a subsequent entry on a K visa. I think lele has got the wrong end of the stick, I seeme to remember seeing a thread sometime back aaking who would have chose to come to US if it was not due to the Spouse, most said that that they would not have, I certainly would not have. It would have been much easier and quicker and cheaper to have gone the other way, which we will do at some point. Personal circumstances decreed otherwise pro tem. You only have to read some of the other threads about UKC's who have been refused entry, hassled etc and this is where there is supposed to be a special relationship. I know from my friends that there was a surprise it was such a problem, after all if you go to France you no longer even see an Immigration officer, straight of the boat and on to the Motorway. If the French no longer give you grief then why the US is the mindset I think. The main issue I have with the US system is the time factor, just so sloooow. From what I can gather the vast majority of legit K's are approved, eventually. Wherever they come from, whatever race or creed etc. PS UKC's are generally not eligible for the Green Card Lottery, discriminatory???

This makes me very glad to hear! Thank you for this tidbit.

For one, we are only going through this because otherwise I would have
to abandon my current University program. We are both looking to see
where *else* in the world we can go when we are done, since neither of
us have a strong urge, as of today, to stay here (in the US) more than
the 3-4 more years it will take myself to finish...

I have heard many horror stories. I completely believe that the system
is unfair. I merely point out from the Chinese perspective, since in
terms of absolute numbers, they are abused more than people from other
nations are. However, I am sure that the numbers from Britain are large
too. This would make sense to me, given that both countries are
excluded from the visa lottery, and hence likely have many people who
come on both immigrant and non-immigrant visas (or VWs).

A great point!

The last time I went to France (only a few months ago), I noticed this
as well (on the non-immigrant side).

*I* and other USCs have been harassed by people when we entered the US
as well! They took particular note of the Vietnam and Cambodia visas in
my passport and gave me quite a grilling about *why* I went there (it
was like pulling teeth just to convince them that it was Winter in the
US at the time, and these places are warm).

Even in China, a country which has pretty strict visa regulations, it is
quite easy to obtain a residence permit, if you are married to a
citizen. You just apply at the consulate, and then when you arrive, you
check in with the local police once a year to fill out some forms and
show that you are living in a house that is paid for. If you want to
work, it is another check once a year, this time with your employer and
making sure that they file the appropriate paperwork. In other words,
fast and easy too.

Sadly, from the data at www.candleforlove.com one can see that there are
still a large number of *valid* cases which were ultimately refused or
have just been sat on for many many years, cases which cause people to
give up and leave the US. It is true, that in terms of absolute
numbers, this is not very high (a few hundred to a thousand at most).
But, it is definitely not a certainty.

I have no information, but would gather that this happens in other
places too. Is there a running count here, so far, as to the number
of people from Britain who fall into this category? I feel sad for
all who do...

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lele

02-28-2005, 01:45 PM

Boiler

02-28-2005, 02:17 PM

This makes me very glad to hear! Thank you for this tidbit. For one, we are only going through this because otherwise I would have to abandon my current University program. We are both looking to see where *else* in the world we can go when we are done, since neither of us have a strong urge, as of today, to stay here (in the US) more than the 3-4 more years it will take myself to finish... I have heard many horror stories. I completely believe that the system is unfair. I merely point out from the Chinese perspective, since in terms of absolute numbers, they are abused more than people from other nations are. However, I am sure that the numbers from Britain are large too. This would make sense to me, given that both countries are excluded from the visa lottery, and hence likely have many people who come on both immigrant and non- immigrant visas (or VWs). A great point! The last time I went to France (only a few months ago), I noticed this as well (on the non-immigrant side). *I* and other USCs have been harassed by people when we entered the US as well! They took particular note of the Vietnam and Cambodia visas in my passport and gave me quite a grilling about *why* I went there (it was like pulling teeth just to convince them that it was Winter in the US at the time, and these places are warm). Even in China, a country which has pretty strict visa regulations, it is quite easy to obtain a residence permit, if you are married to a citizen. You just apply at the consulate, and then when you arrive, you check in with the local police once a year to fill out some forms and show that you are living in a house that is paid for. If you want to work, it is another check once a year, this time with your employer and making sure that they file the appropriate paperwork. In other words, fast and easy too. Sadly, from the data at www.candleforlove.com one can see that there are still a large number of *valid* cases which were ultimately refused or have just been sat on for many many years, cases which cause people to give up and leave the US. It is true, that in terms of absolute numbers, this is not very high (a few hundred to a thousand at most). But, it is definitely not a certainty. I have no information, but would gather that this happens in other places too. Is there a running count here, so far, as to the number of people from Britain who fall into this category? I feel sad for all who do...

We are getting off thread, but I think it has been answered.

I have no idea about absolute numbers, I assume that only a small
percentage know about these boards, I found visajourney helpful and yes
there were some people with issues over the period I was active but not
that many and whether or not you agree with the ins and outs you could
see even from the posters description how problems could arise.

There is a board for the car that I drive, if I used the report of
issues from that site as a guide on reliability I would never take it
out of the garage
I have no idea how many people enter the US every year on Marriage
visa's, I sort of assume it is hundred's of thousands and of course the
majority of succeses we do not hear about, mainly the propblems.

Before we started this a friend of mine was married in India, took about
4 weeks for his wife to be 'processed' for a UK Visa, Stupidly I just
assumed the same for the US, wrong, wrong, wrong. We could get a Visa
for my wife to go the UK the same day at the UK Embassy here.

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Boiler

02-28-2005, 02:17 PM

Noorah101

02-28-2005, 02:48 PM

We are getting off thread, but I think it has been answered. I have no idea about absolute numbers, I assume that only a small percentage know about these boards, I found visajourney helpful and yes there were some people with issues over the period I was active but not that many and whether or not you agree with the ins and outs you could see even from the posters description how problems could arise. There is a board for the car that I drive, if I used the report of issues from that site as a guide on reliability I would never take it out of the garage I have no idea how many people enter the US every year on Marriage visa's, I sort of assume it is hundred's of thousands and of course the majority of succeses we do not hear about, mainly the propblems. Before we started this a friend of mine was married in India, took about 4 weeks for his wife to be 'processed' for a UK Visa, Stupidly I just assumed the same for the US, wrong, wrong, wrong. We could get a Visa for my wife to go the UK the same day at the UK Embassy here.

Every country has its own little quirks about how smoothly the
immigration process goes....and to keep comparing everything to China
just makes no sense to me.

People in Egypt can compare their cases to someone in Canada and say
WOW, we are sure discriminated against because cases through Cairo can
take up to 2 years because of security checks....but cases through
Canada don't.

Heck, I can say Iranians are discriminated against because they don't
even have a USA embassy there to go to for their interview! They are
forced to spend money and time flying to Turkey or Abu Dhabi for their
medical and interview, and if they don't get the visa on that trip, they
must return to Iran, wait months for their security check/admin
review/whatever to be completed, then return to Turkey or Abu Dhabi
again to pick up the visa. Talk about hassle, inconvenience, and not
being fair! Should I say Iranians are discriminated against because
upon arrival at the POE they must go through a "special registration"
that so far I've heard of no other country doing?? Buttttt....that's
the way it IS, and comparing it to another country's visa process does
no good at all.

Just my small change input. :)

Rene

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Noorah101

02-28-2005, 02:48 PM

lele

02-28-2005, 03:04 PM

Every country has its own little quirks about how smoothly the immigration process goes....and to keep comparing everything to China just makes no sense to me. People in Egypt can compare their cases to someone in Canada and say WOW, we are sure discriminated against because cases through Cairo can take up to 2 years because of security checks....but cases through Canada don't. Heck, I can say Iranians are discriminated against because they don't even have a USA embassy there to go to for their interview! They are forced to spend money and time flying to Turkey or Abu Dhabi for their medical and interview, and if they don't get the visa on that trip, they must return to Iran, wait months for their security check/admin review/whatever to be completed, then return to Turkey or Abu Dhabi again to pick up the visa. Talk about hassle, inconvenience, and not being fair! Should I say Iranians are discriminated against because upon arrival at the POE they must go through a "special registration" that so far I've heard of no other country doing?? Buttttt....that's the way it IS, and comparing it to another country's visa process does no good at all. Just my small change input. :) Rene

It was my understanding that the USA is the country that decides how
smoothly the process will go in each country.

I use China as an example for the following reasons:

1. They are subject to the same security special checks that you mention
for Egypt, and like Egypt, some have had to wait more than 2 years
too. It is *horrible* in both of these places, and anywhere else
that someone must wait for so long. It is sad that *our* US
government will do this to people.

2. Some people must travel further than any other nation in the world to
go to their interview (if you check the distances, from the furthest
point, at Kashi, to go to Guangzhou, the only consulate which
processes these visas, is further than from the furthest point in
Iran to Turkey or Abu Dhabi. However, the fact that these people, as
well as many in African nations, have to go so far, is completely
intolerable!

3. It sounds like Discrimination to me, and yet, we, with our TAX
dollars are supporting it. And yet, we, with our VOTES are
supporting it too. This is absolutely sad that some people have to
go through this. What pains me more is that we are supporting it (US
Citizens). So, what I want to do is to continue to raise awareness,
so that we (the US Citizens) who are aware of these issues can
strongly consider how we can *change* the process. That is, if you
agree with me that what you say sounds unfair.

It sounds highly unfair what you had to go through. I am truly sorry
that our government did this to you.

So, if you feel that it is so unfair, then please, what do you recommend
is done about it? It is our duty, as citizens, to be responsible for
holding our government to account to represent our interests, or at
least that is how the theory goes!

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lele

02-28-2005, 03:04 PM

Noorah101

02-28-2005, 03:37 PM

It was my understanding that the USA is the country that decides how smoothly the process will go in each country. I use China as an example for the following reasons: 1. They are subject to the same security special checks that you mention for Egypt, and like Egypt, some have had to wait more than 2 years too. It is *horrible* in both of these places, and anywhere else that someone must wait for so long. It is sad that *our* US government will do this to people. 2. Some people must travel further than any other nation in the world to go to their interview (if you check the distances, from the furthest point, at Kashi, to go to Guangzhou, the only consulate which processes these visas, is further than from the furthest point in Iran to Turkey or Abu Dhabi. However, the fact that these people, as well as many in African nations, have to go so far, is completely intolerable! 3. It sounds like Discrimination to me, and yet, we, with our TAX dollars are supporting it. And yet, we, with our VOTES are supporting it too. This is absolutely sad that some people have to go through this. What pains me more is that we are supporting it (US Citizens). So, what I want to do is to continue to raise awareness, so that we (the US Citizens) who are aware of these issues can strongly consider how we can *change* the process. That is, if you agree with me that what you say sounds unfair. It sounds highly unfair what you had to go through. I am truly sorry that our government did this to you. So, if you feel that it is so unfair, then please, what do you recommend is done about it? It is our duty, as citizens, to be responsible for holding our government to account to represent our interests, or at least that is how the theory goes!

Well, see, that's just it. I don't feel that it's SOOOO unfair. It's
not up to ME. There are political situations between Iran and USA that
have been going on for 25 years, that I simply cannot change...nor any
amount of MY complaining is going to change...and with the current
political climate there, I don't expect it to improve anytime soon. I
have no suggestions for doing anything about it. I guess I could
suggest either to let citizens of Iran/China/Egypt in as easily as
those of UK/Canada (which isn't likely to happen) or else force
everyone coming from UK/Canada to have to wait 2 years for their visas,
and to have to travel far away to another embassy....but how would THAT
be fair to THEM??

I have no solution, so I just accept it as it is, knowing my government
HAS finally allowed my fiance/spouse in the USA....and if they hadn't,
well, then we'd be living happily together in Turkey, and we would wait
over there until such time that the USA would see fit to accept his visa
application. I don't hold a grudge about it.

Thanks for your sympathies, but actually we were lucky and Sadegh
already lived in Turkey. It was easy for him to go to Ankara for the
interview. And although it was an antagonizing 4 months of security
checks at the NVC stage up front, several months of the wait towards
the end were our own doing, since Sadegh had to go back to Iran for
his birth certificate and ended up staying longer to say goodbye to
family there.

I learned a long time ago that many, many things in life aren't fair,
and not to hold a grudge against the things that aren't fair and that
are pretty much out of my own personal control. I'm grateful for the
good things that I DO get, even if it takes 14 months or 2 years. It
makes life a lot more pleasureable. :)

Rene

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Noorah101

02-28-2005, 03:37 PM

meauxna

02-28-2005, 04:30 PM

Well, see, that's just it. I don't feel that it's SOOOO unfair. It's not up to ME. There are political situations between Iran and USA that have been going on for 25 years, that I simply cannot change...nor any amount of MY complaining is going to change...and with the current political climate there, I don't expect it to improve anytime soon. I have no suggestions for doing anything about it. I guess I could suggest either to let citizens of Iran/China/Egypt in as easily as those of UK/Canada (which isn't likely to happen) or else force everyone coming from UK/Canada to have to wait 2 years for their visas, and to have to travel far away to another embassy....but how would THAT be fair to THEM?? I have no solution, so I just accept it as it is, knowing my government HAS finally allowed my fiance/spouse in the USA....and if they hadn't, well, then we'd be living happily together in Turkey, and we would wait over there until such time that the USA would see fit to accept his visa application. I don't hold a grudge about it. Thanks for your sympathies, but actually we were lucky and Sadegh already lived in Turkey. It was easy for him to go to Ankara for the interview. And although it was an antagonizing 4 months of security checks at the NVC stage up front, several months of the wait towards the end were our own doing, since Sadegh had to go back to Iran for his birth certificate and ended up staying longer to say goodbye to family there. I learned a long time ago that many, many things in life aren't fair, and not to hold a grudge against the things that aren't fair and that are pretty much out of my own personal control. I'm grateful for the good things that I DO get, even if it takes 14 months or 2 years. It makes life a lot more pleasureable. :) Rene

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Noorah101
again."
Or else I would've. Darn, you're one sensible & smart woman. :)

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meauxna

02-28-2005, 04:30 PM

ian-mstm

02-28-2005, 05:35 PM

ian-mstm

02-28-2005, 05:35 PM

USA & Pakistan

02-28-2005, 05:40 PM

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Noorah101 again." Or else I would've. Darn, you're one sensible & smart woman. :)

Ditto... I was also trying to click my karma button for that post!

:)Marnee

P.S. Lele: Dont be such a wanna-be know-it-all. Many here have done
their homework as well. You talk to us like we are a bunch of
uninformed idiots and we are not.

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USA & Pakistan

02-28-2005, 05:40 PM

SecretGarden

02-28-2005, 06:00 PM

Ditto... I was also trying to click my karma button for that post! :)Marnee P.S. Lele: Dont be such a wanna-be know-it-all. Many here have done their homework as well. You talk to us like we are a bunch of uninformed idiots and we are not.

Try sending some my way.....I'm not too shy to beg. :D

~SecretGarden, with apologies to the OP

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SecretGarden

02-28-2005, 06:00 PM

meauxna

02-28-2005, 06:06 PM

Try sending some my way.....I'm not too shy to beg. :D ~SecretGarden, with apologies to the OP

But you're already a Glorious Beacon of Light... are you sure you want
to jeoprodize that? A hit from me might hurt ;)

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meauxna

02-28-2005, 06:06 PM

SecretGarden

02-28-2005, 06:20 PM

But you're already a Glorious Beacon of Light... are you sure you want to jeoprodize that? A hit from me might hurt ;)

I think I can take it.....the charm that Mr. P exudes is pretty
dazzling, and I seem to have survived..... ;)

~SecretGarden

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SecretGarden

02-28-2005, 06:20 PM

meauxna

02-28-2005, 06:31 PM

I think I can take it.....the charm that Mr. P exudes is pretty dazzling, and I seem to have survived..... ;) ~SecretGarden

Oops, I guess you guys are my favorites :)
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SecretGarden
again."
<sigh> I need to get around more.

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meauxna

02-28-2005, 06:31 PM

crg14624

02-28-2005, 07:54 PM

It was my understanding that the USA is the country that decides how smoothly the process will go in each country. I use China as an example for the following reasons: 1. They are subject to the same security special checks that you mention for Egypt, and like Egypt, some have had to wait more than 2 years too. It is *horrible* in both of these places, and anywhere else that someone must wait for so long. It is sad that *our* US government will do this to people. 2. Some people must travel further than any other nation in the world to go to their interview (if you check the distances, from the furthest point, at Kashi, to go to Guangzhou, the only consulate which processes these visas, is further than from the furthest point in Iran to Turkey or Abu Dhabi. However, the fact that these people, as well as many in African nations, have to go so far, is completely intolerable! 3. It sounds like Discrimination to me, and yet, we, with our TAX dollars are supporting it. And yet, we, with our VOTES are supporting it too. This is absolutely sad that some people have to go through this. What pains me more is that we are supporting it (US Citizens). So, what I want to do is to continue to raise awareness, so that we (the US Citizens) who are aware of these issues can strongly consider how we can *change* the process. That is, if you agree with me that what you say sounds unfair. It sounds highly unfair what you had to go through. I am truly sorry that our government did this to you. So, if you feel that it is so unfair, then please, what do you recommend is done about it? It is our duty, as citizens, to be responsible for holding our government to account to represent our interests, or at least that is how the theory goes!

Canadians get their immigrant visas in Montreal, and Canada is the 3rd
largest country on earth. Also, China is one of the top six countries
in providing undocumented immigrants to the U.S. I don't think the
U.S. (300 million people) can absorb the up to 1.2 billion Chinese who
may want to come. You're acting as if immigration is a civil right,
but it is not.

They may need even more immigrant checks prior to visa issuance because
a recent study shows that people who immigrated from asia make up more
than half of the 1.3 million Hepatitis B cases when they are only 4% of
the population. There are reasons for all of these checks.

You bad mouth US policy, but try to get an Iranian, Saudi, Japanese,
Chinese, or Mexican citizenship (if you aren't of that ethnicity) and
see what happens because you won't get one of their passports. There
have been families living in some of these countries for 300 years and
can't get citizenship.

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crg14624

02-28-2005, 07:54 PM

It was my understanding that the USA is the country that decides how smoothly the process will go in each country. I use China as an example for the following reasons: 1. They are subject to the same security special checks that you mention for Egypt, and like Egypt, some have had to wait more than 2 years too. It is *horrible* in both of these places, and anywhere else that someone must wait for so long. It is sad that *our* US government will do this to people. 2. Some people must travel further than any other nation in the world to go to their interview (if you check the distances, from the furthest point, at Kashi, to go to Guangzhou, the only consulate which processes these visas, is further than from the furthest point in Iran to Turkey or Abu Dhabi. However, the fact that these people, as well as many in African nations, have to go so far, is completely intolerable! 3. It sounds like Discrimination to me, and yet, we, with our TAX dollars are supporting it. And yet, we, with our VOTES are supporting it too. This is absolutely sad that some people have to go through this. What pains me more is that we are supporting it (US Citizens). So, what I want to do is to continue to raise awareness, so that we (the US Citizens) who are aware of these issues can strongly consider how we can *change* the process. That is, if you agree with me that what you say sounds unfair. It sounds highly unfair what you had to go through. I am truly sorry that our government did this to you. So, if you feel that it is so unfair, then please, what do you recommend is done about it? It is our duty, as citizens, to be responsible for holding our government to account to represent our interests, or at least that is how the theory goes!

Canadians get their immigrant visas in Montreal, and Canada is the 3rd
largest country on earth. Also, China is one of the top six countries
in providing undocumented immigrants to the U.S. I don't think the
U.S. (300 million people) can absorb the up to 1.2 billion Chinese who
may want to come. You're acting as if immigration is a civil right,
but it is not.

They may need even more immigrant checks prior to visa issuance because
a recent study shows that people who immigrated from asia make up more
than half of the 1.3 million Hepatitis B cases when they are only 4% of
the population. There are reasons for all of these checks.

You bad mouth US policy, but try to get an Iranian, Saudi, Japanese,
Chinese, or Mexican citizenship (if you aren't of that ethnicity) and
see what happens because you won't get one of their passports. There
have been families living in some of these countries for 300 years and
can't get citizenship.

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USA & Pakistan

02-28-2005, 09:00 PM

Oops, I guess you guys are my favorites :) "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SecretGarden again." <sigh> I need to get around more.

Ditto, again! Dang! Sorry, i tried! You just get good wishes instead.

:DMarnee

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USA & Pakistan

02-28-2005, 09:00 PM

Noorah101

02-28-2005, 10:23 PM

It was my understanding that the USA is the country that decides how smoothly the process will go in each country. I use China as an example for the following reasons: 1. They are subject to the same security special checks that you mention for Egypt, and like Egypt, some have had to wait more than 2 years too. It is *horrible* in both of these places, and anywhere else that someone must wait for so long. It is sad that *our* US government will do this to people. 2. Some people must travel further than any other nation in the world to go to their interview (if you check the distances, from the furthest point, at Kashi, to go to Guangzhou, the only consulate which processes these visas, is further than from the furthest point in Iran to Turkey or Abu Dhabi. However, the fact that these people, as well as many in African nations, have to go so far, is completely intolerable! 3. It sounds like Discrimination to me, and yet, we, with our TAX dollars are supporting it. And yet, we, with our VOTES are supporting it too. This is absolutely sad that some people have to go through this. What pains me more is that we are supporting it (US Citizens). So, what I want to do is to continue to raise awareness, so that we (the US Citizens) who are aware of these issues can strongly consider how we can *change* the process. That is, if you agree with me that what you say sounds unfair. It sounds highly unfair what you had to go through. I am truly sorry that our government did this to you. So, if you feel that it is so unfair, then please, what do you recommend is done about it? It is our duty, as citizens, to be responsible for holding our government to account to represent our interests, or at least that is how the theory goes!

My government greatly respresented my interests, twice. The first time
was in November of 1979, when the USA decided to let my first Iranian
husband (student) stay here with me and adjust status during the Iranian
Hostage Crisis when all Iranians were being booted out on the slightest
technicality. The second was just last year, when the USA decided it
was OK to grant my Iranian fiance a K-1 visa. My government will be
doing me another favor in my interest if my husband receives his Green
Card, and yet again if he becomes a US citizen. All these things are
privaleges, not rights, and I have no beef with my government that it
took me longer than others to benefit from them issuing a visa or green
card to my loved one.

Rene

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Noorah101

02-28-2005, 10:23 PM

It was my understanding that the USA is the country that decides how smoothly the process will go in each country. I use China as an example for the following reasons: 1. They are subject to the same security special checks that you mention for Egypt, and like Egypt, some have had to wait more than 2 years too. It is *horrible* in both of these places, and anywhere else that someone must wait for so long. It is sad that *our* US government will do this to people. 2. Some people must travel further than any other nation in the world to go to their interview (if you check the distances, from the furthest point, at Kashi, to go to Guangzhou, the only consulate which processes these visas, is further than from the furthest point in Iran to Turkey or Abu Dhabi. However, the fact that these people, as well as many in African nations, have to go so far, is completely intolerable! 3. It sounds like Discrimination to me, and yet, we, with our TAX dollars are supporting it. And yet, we, with our VOTES are supporting it too. This is absolutely sad that some people have to go through this. What pains me more is that we are supporting it (US Citizens). So, what I want to do is to continue to raise awareness, so that we (the US Citizens) who are aware of these issues can strongly consider how we can *change* the process. That is, if you agree with me that what you say sounds unfair. It sounds highly unfair what you had to go through. I am truly sorry that our government did this to you. So, if you feel that it is so unfair, then please, what do you recommend is done about it? It is our duty, as citizens, to be responsible for holding our government to account to represent our interests, or at least that is how the theory goes!

My government greatly respresented my interests, twice. The first time
was in November of 1979, when the USA decided to let my first Iranian
husband (student) stay here with me and adjust status during the Iranian
Hostage Crisis when all Iranians were being booted out on the slightest
technicality. The second was just last year, when the USA decided it
was OK to grant my Iranian fiance a K-1 visa. My government will be
doing me another favor in my interest if my husband receives his Green
Card, and yet again if he becomes a US citizen. All these things are
privaleges, not rights, and I have no beef with my government that it
took me longer than others to benefit from them issuing a visa or green
card to my loved one.

Rene

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Hypertweeky

02-28-2005, 10:27 PM

My government greatly respresented my interests, twice. The first time was in November of 1979, when the USA decided to let my first Iranian husband (student) stay here with me and adjust status during the Iranian Hostage Crisis when all Iranians were being booted out on the slightest technicality. The second was just last year, when the USA decided it was OK to grant my Iranian fiance a K-1 visa. My government will be doing me another favor in my interest if my husband receives his Green Card, and yet again if he becomes a US citizen. All these things are privaleges, not rights, and I have no beef with my government that it took me longer than others to benefit from them issuing a visa or green card to my loved one. Rene

Glad to hear you love this goverment!!
I am in Utah!! wooo!!:D

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Hypertweeky

02-28-2005, 10:27 PM