How did you go about becoming one? i.e. what schools, degree's etc gave
you the qualifications to do what you do?

Y'all might laugh right now since I don't come offas the most educated
on here BUT I'm giving serious consideration to becoming an immigration
lawyer (eventually).

I earned my Bachelors degree in Computing in 3 years and graduated last
summer BUTTTTTTTT like I said, i'm giving consideration to it so maybe
if someone could point me in the right direction, I could give it more
thought...

Thanks,
Nick.

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How did you go about becoming one? i.e. what schools, degree's etc gave you the qualifications to do what you do? Y'all might laugh right now since I don't come offas the most educated on here BUT I'm giving serious consideration to becoming an immigration lawyer (eventually). I earned my Bachelors degree in Computing in 3 years and graduated last summer BUTTTTTTTT like I said, i'm giving consideration to it so maybe if someone could point me in the right direction, I could give it more thought... Thanks, Nick.

I have seen four attorneys post recently. Here are the schools
they attended:

Undergraduate School Univ of San Fernando Valley; CA USA
Law School UC Hastings COL; San Francisco CA USA

Undergraduate School Univ of Utah; Salt Lake City UT USA
Law School San Francisco Law Sch; San Francisco CA USA

Undergraduate School Pomona Coll; Claremont CA USA
Law School UC Davis SOL King Hall; Davis CA USA

Undergraduate School Univ of California at Los Angeles; CA USA
Law School UCLA SOL; Los Angeles CA USA

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I have seen four attorneys post recently. Here are the schools they attended: Undergraduate School Univ of San Fernando Valley; CA USA Law School UC Hastings COL; San Francisco CA USA Undergraduate School Univ of Utah; Salt Lake City UT USA Law School San Francisco Law Sch; San Francisco CA USA Undergraduate School Pomona Coll; Claremont CA USA Law School UC Davis SOL King Hall; Davis CA USA Undergraduate School Univ of California at Los Angeles; CA USA Law School UCLA SOL; Los Angeles CA USA

Hi:

"University of San Fernando Valley"?? LOL! I attended "San Fernando
Valley State College" which changed its name to "California State
University Northridge" just as a I graduated. My undergraduate degree
reads from CSUN, but I went to school at "Valley State." Go figure.

As to the OP's question -- each state has its requirements for admission
to the Bar. Most require law school which is generally a three-year post-
graduate program. Some schools will admit students after three years
of undergraduate work.

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Hi: "University of San Fernando Valley"?? LOL! I attended "San Fernando Valley State College" which changed its name to "California State University Northridge" just as a I graduated. My undergraduate degree reads from CSUN, but I went to school at "Valley State." Go figure. As to the OP's question -- each state has its requirements for admission to the Bar. Most require law school which is generally a three-year post-graduate program. Some schools will admit students after three years of undergraduate work.

That's how the California Bar has you listed. ;)

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How did you go about becoming one? i.e. what schools, degree's etc gave you the qualifications to do what you do? Y'all might laugh right now since I don't come offas the most educated on here BUT I'm giving serious consideration to becoming an immigration lawyer (eventually). I earned my Bachelors degree in Computing in 3 years and graduated last summer BUTTTTTTTT like I said, i'm giving consideration to it so maybe if someone could point me in the right direction, I could give it more thought... Thanks, Nick.

Simple

Get your bachelor's degree first. Then you sit for the LSAT. If you
have a decent scoring you may qualify for one of the lesser law
colleges. A high score will perhaps get you into a prestigious one,
i.e. Harvard, George Washington U, Pennsylvania U, etc. Take three
years of classes, pass them and graduate. Then you have to sit for the
bar in the state you wish to practice.

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That's how the California Bar has you listed. ;)

Martindale's listing is:

Born XXXXX; Admitted 1975; California State University at Northridge,
B.A.; University of California, Hastings College of the Law, J.D.

See I was nice I blacked out the year ;-) Damn but you are younger
than me ;-(

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sphyrapicus wrote:How did you go about becoming one? i.e. what schools, degree's etcgave you the qualifications to do what you do?Y'all might laugh right now since I don't come offas the most educatedon here BUT I'm giving serious consideration to becoming animmigration lawyer (eventually).I earned my Bachelors degree in Computing in 3 years and graduatedlast summer BUTTTTTTTT like I said, i'm giving consideration to it somaybe if someone could point me in the right direction, I could giveit more thought...Thanks,Nick. I have seen four attorneys post recently. Here are the schools they attended: Undergraduate School Univ of San Fernando Valley; CA USA Law School UC Hastings COL; San Francisco CA USA Undergraduate School Univ of Utah; Salt Lake City UT USA Law School San Francisco Law Sch; San Francisco CA USA Undergraduate School Pomona Coll; Claremont CA USA Law School UC Davis SOL King Hall; Davis CA USA Undergraduate School Univ of California at Los Angeles; CA USA Law School UCLA SOL; Los Angeles CA USA


The third one on the list would be me.

Always room for one more.

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That's how the California Bar has you listed. ;)

Hi:

Now that I think about it, the name change was fairly recent when I
applied to take the California Bar exam. I think I may have registered
noting my undergraduate school as "California State University
Northridge (San Fernando Valley State College)" or some such. And it
got abbreviated.

My younger daughter just graduated from University of California and she
is annoyed that Arnold's autograph is on her degree. I told her that I
understood perfectly -- mine has Ronald Reagan"s!

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Hi: Now that I think about it, the name change was fairly recent when I applied to take the California Bar exam. I think I may have registered noting my undergraduate school as "California State University Northridge (San Fernando Valley State College)" or some such. And it got abbreviated. My younger daughter just graduated from University of California and she is annoyed that Arnold's autograph is on her degree. I told her that I understood perfectly -- mine has Ronald Reagan"s!

I understand as well. One of mine has Jeb Bush on it.

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I have seen four attorneys post recently. Here are the schools they attended: Undergraduate School Univ of San Fernando Valley; CA USA Law School UC Hastings COL; San Francisco CA USA Undergraduate School Univ of Utah; Salt Lake City UT USA Law School San Francisco Law Sch; San Francisco CA USA Undergraduate School Pomona Coll; Claremont CA USA Law School UC Davis SOL King Hall; Davis CA USA Undergraduate School Univ of California at Los Angeles; CA USA Law School UCLA SOL; Los Angeles CA USA

One of the four is NOT an immigration attorney, however. She lives in
CA but her area of specialization is in a field other than immigration.

Rete

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One of the four is NOT an immigration attorney, however. She lives in CA but her area of specialization is in a field other than immigration. Rete

The four I looked up are all male AILA attorneys. Not sure who you are
referring to?

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I understand as well. One of mine has Jeb Bush on it.

I got one of those Phys Ed certificates in sixth grade, signed by
Gerald Ford.

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The four I looked up are all male AILA attorneys. Not sure who you are referring to?

Dekka's Angel

So who is the fourth in the marriage-based group.

Also note that Mr. Wong, although he has made brief appearances over the
last few years, is by no means a regular to the forum/newsgroup although
a welcome addition.

REte

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I got one of those Phys Ed certificates in sixth grade, signed by Gerald Ford.

And mine was signed by John F. Kennedy

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Simple Get your bachelor's degree first. Then you sit for the LSAT. If you have a decent scoring you may qualify for one of the lesser law colleges. A high score will perhaps get you into a prestigious one, i.e. Harvard, George Washington U, Pennsylvania U, etc. Take three years of classes, pass them and graduate. Then you have to sit for the bar in the state you wish to practice.

UK- LLB
US-JD

UK-LLM
US?

UK-LLD
US?

Does anyone know the equivalent?

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I understand as well. One of mine has Jeb Bush on it.

Dang.. That must suck LOL

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Simple Get your bachelor's degree first. Then you sit for the LSAT. If you have a decent scoring you may qualify for one of the lesser law colleges. A high score will perhaps get you into a prestigious one, i.e. Harvard, George Washington U, Pennsylvania U, etc. Take three years of classes, pass them and graduate. Then you have to sit for the bar in the state you wish to practice.

I think I will go for computer science!!

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Dekka's Angel So who is the fourth in the marriage-based group. Also note that Mr. Wong, although he has made brief appearances over the last few years, is by no means a regular to the forum/newsgroup although a welcome addition. REte

Yes, my original post said "I have seen four attorneys post recently". I
didn't mean to imply that they were all regulars. The 4th was Carl - he
doesn't participate, he just advertises. ;)

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UK- LLB US-JD UK-LLM US? UK-LLD US? Does anyone know the equivalent?

Hi:

The US law degree used to be known as the LL.B for bachelor's of law.
However, the idea of a formal university law school didn't catch on
until the 19th Century. Before then, legal training was more in the
line of an apprentice program. [A friend of mine was trained in South
Africa in the late 1960's as an "articled clerk" who took many law
classes at university. He has no formal law degree at all. He was
allowed to sit for the California Bar as having the equivalent].

As the US legal education evolved into post-graduate education, there
was disatisfaction with the graduate degree being known as a "bachelors"
and slowly many schools renamed the degrees as "Juris Doctor." In fact,
early in my career, I shared an office with an attorney who was admitted
to the bar in 1933. His law school exchanged his LL.B. degree for a
J.D.. Lot of the older guys and gals had a preverse pride in being
LL.B.'s and kept the old degrees.

The LL.M. still exists. The only people I've seen get these are in the
field of taxation. Many business lawyers often go for an MBA instead.

The LL.D. is an honorary degree given to some notable who speaks at
university commencements. [I noticed that President Clinton would wear
his JD adademic regalia when giving commencement speeches].

A JS.D. is a doctor of jurisprudence.

The foregoing is recited from memory and not from any research. If any
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Yes, my original post said "I have seen four attorneys post recently". I didn't mean to imply that they were all regulars. The 4th was Carl - he doesn't participate, he just advertises. ;)

Hi:

Carl is a childhood friend -- we've known each other for more
than 50 years!

Neither Carl nor I graduated from law school with any intent of
practicing immigration law. The only person I knew who went to law
school intending to practice immigration law was my high school friend
Ron Tasoff -- and that was because his father. Lloyd, was an
immigration lawyer.

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Hi: Carl is a childhood friend -- we've known each other for more than 50 years! Neither Carl nor I graduated from law school with any intent of practicing immigration law. The only person I knew who went to law school intending to practice immigration law was my high school friend Ron Tasoff -- and that was because his father. Lloyd, was an immigration lawyer.

What were you planning to study? Why did you change your mind? If that
is not too personal a question...

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What were you planning to study? Why did you change your mind? If that is not too personal a question...

Hi:

Law schools do NOT give a specialized education. You can take certain
electives, if your school offers them, that may be aimed a particular
area of practice, but that really doesn't help all that much out there
in the "real world."

Think of law school as the "stem cells" which will results in lawyers.
It is often what happens AFTER law school that leads to specialization.

My late brother emphasized commercial collections in his practice. He
often joked that "I know that immigration begins with the letter 'I'."
But we often consulted with each other on brain picks.

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Hi: The US law degree used to be known as the LL.B for bachelor's of law. However, the idea of a formal university law school didn't catch on until the 19th Century. Before then, legal training was more in the line of an apprentice program. [A friend of mine was trained in South Africa in the late 1960's as an "articled clerk" who took many law classes at university. He has no formal law degree at all. He was allowed to sit for the California Bar as having the equivalent]. As the US legal education evolved into post-graduate education, there was disatisfaction with the graduate degree being known as a "bachelors" and slowly many schools renamed the degrees as "Juris Doctor." In fact, early in my career, I shared an office with an attorney who was admitted to the bar in 1933. His law school exchanged his LL.B. degree for a J.D.. Lot of the older guys and gals had a preverse pride in being LL.B.'s and kept the old degrees. The LL.M. still exists. The only people I've seen get these are in the field of taxation. Many business lawyers often go for an MBA instead. The LL.D. is an honorary degree given to some notable who speaks at university commencements. [I noticed that President Clinton would wear his JD adademic regalia when giving commencement speeches]. A JS.D. is a doctor of jurisprudence. The foregoing is recited from memory and not from any research. If any mistakes made, mea culpa in advance.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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Hi: The US law degree used to be known as the LL.B for bachelor's of law. However, the idea of a formal university law school didn't catch on until the 19th Century. Before then, legal training was more in the line of an apprentice program. [A friend of mine was trained in South Africa in the late 1960's as an "articled clerk" who took many law classes at university. He has no formal law degree at all. He was allowed to sit for the California Bar as having the equivalent]. As the US legal education evolved into post-graduate education, there was disatisfaction with the graduate degree being known as a "bachelors" and slowly many schools renamed the degrees as "Juris Doctor." In fact, early in my career, I shared an office with an attorney who was admitted to the bar in 1933. His law school exchanged his LL.B. degree for a J.D.. Lot of the older guys and gals had a preverse pride in being LL.B.'s and kept the old degrees. The LL.M. still exists. The only people I've seen get these are in the field of taxation. Many business lawyers often go for an MBA instead. The LL.D. is an honorary degree given to some notable who speaks at university commencements. [I noticed that President Clinton would wear his JD adademic regalia when giving commencement speeches]. A JS.D. is a doctor of jurisprudence. The foregoing is recited from memory and not from any research. If any mistakes made, mea culpa in advance.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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Folinskyinla wrote:UK- LLBUS-JDUK-LLMUS?UK-LLDUS?Does anyone know the equivalent? Hi: The US law degree used to be known as the LL.B for bachelor's of law. However, the idea of a formal university law school didn't catch on until the 19th Century. Before then, legal training was more in the line of an apprentice program. [A friend of mine was trained in South Africa in the late 1960's as an "articled clerk" who took many law classes at university. He has no formal law degree at all. He was allowed to sit for the California Bar as having the equivalent]. As the US legal education evolved into post-graduate education, there was disatisfaction with the graduate degree being known as a "bachelors" and slowly many schools renamed the degrees as "Juris Doctor." In fact, early in my career, I shared an office with an attorney who was admitted to the bar in 1933. His law school exchanged his LL.B. degree for a J.D.. Lot of the older guys and gals had a preverse pride in being LL.B.'s and kept the old degrees. The LL.M. still exists. The only people I've seen get these are in the field of taxation. Many business lawyers often go for an MBA instead. The LL.D. is an honorary degree given to some notable who speaks at university commencements. [I noticed that President Clinton would wear his JD adademic regalia when giving commencement speeches]. A JS.D. is a doctor of jurisprudence. The foregoing is recited from memory and not from any research. If any mistakes made, mea culpa in advance.

The change from LL.B to J.D. was fostered in large part by the American
Bar Association (some think as a result of professional jealousy), and
imposed upon ABA accredited law schools I think sometime in the 1960s.
(The ABA had been agitating for the change since 1906, but did not get
around to prescribing the change until 1964.) Since most states require
graduation from an ABA-accredited school as a requirement of licensure
(California is one of the exceptions), most everyone who graduated from
law school after that time has a J.D.

The LL.M. has evolved in this country to a degree awarded for post-law
graduate study in a specific field of law such as taxation. There are
LL.M. programs for international law, patent law, etc. They generally
require one year of full time study; sometimes two. Another use of the
LL.M. has been to provide some kind of degree to lawyers from foreign
jurisdictions who come to the U.S. to study our legal system.

The LL.D. is, as Stuart indicates, generally conferred as an honorary
degree in the U.S.

The J.S.D. ("Doctorate of Juridical Science") is the true academic
doctorate of law, equivalent to a Ph.D., and like the Ph.D. generally
requires original research and a dissertation. Some institutions award
the S.J.D. (same thing, except in Latin) or the L.Sc.D. instead.

For an interesting paper on the "LL.B. to J.D." controversy, read here:

http://www.arc.miami.edu/people/LLB%20to%20JD%20for%20school%20website.pdf


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Folinskyinla wrote:UK- LLBUS-JDUK-LLMUS?UK-LLDUS?Does anyone know the equivalent? Hi: The US law degree used to be known as the LL.B for bachelor's of law. However, the idea of a formal university law school didn't catch on until the 19th Century. Before then, legal training was more in the line of an apprentice program. [A friend of mine was trained in South Africa in the late 1960's as an "articled clerk" who took many law classes at university. He has no formal law degree at all. He was allowed to sit for the California Bar as having the equivalent]. As the US legal education evolved into post-graduate education, there was disatisfaction with the graduate degree being known as a "bachelors" and slowly many schools renamed the degrees as "Juris Doctor." In fact, early in my career, I shared an office with an attorney who was admitted to the bar in 1933. His law school exchanged his LL.B. degree for a J.D.. Lot of the older guys and gals had a preverse pride in being LL.B.'s and kept the old degrees. The LL.M. still exists. The only people I've seen get these are in the field of taxation. Many business lawyers often go for an MBA instead. The LL.D. is an honorary degree given to some notable who speaks at university commencements. [I noticed that President Clinton would wear his JD adademic regalia when giving commencement speeches]. A JS.D. is a doctor of jurisprudence. The foregoing is recited from memory and not from any research. If any mistakes made, mea culpa in advance.

The change from LL.B to J.D. was fostered in large part by the American
Bar Association (some think as a result of professional jealousy), and
imposed upon ABA accredited law schools I think sometime in the 1960s.
(The ABA had been agitating for the change since 1906, but did not get
around to prescribing the change until 1964.) Since most states require
graduation from an ABA-accredited school as a requirement of licensure
(California is one of the exceptions), most everyone who graduated from
law school after that time has a J.D.

The LL.M. has evolved in this country to a degree awarded for post-law
graduate study in a specific field of law such as taxation. There are
LL.M. programs for international law, patent law, etc. They generally
require one year of full time study; sometimes two. Another use of the
LL.M. has been to provide some kind of degree to lawyers from foreign
jurisdictions who come to the U.S. to study our legal system.

The LL.D. is, as Stuart indicates, generally conferred as an honorary
degree in the U.S.

The J.S.D. ("Doctorate of Juridical Science") is the true academic
doctorate of law, equivalent to a Ph.D., and like the Ph.D. generally
requires original research and a dissertation. Some institutions award
the S.J.D. (same thing, except in Latin) or the L.Sc.D. instead.

For an interesting paper on the "LL.B. to J.D." controversy, read here:

http://www.arc.miami.edu/people/LLB%20to%20JD%20for%20school%20website.pdf


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