I came here on a K1 visa, and we married within the 90 days. Two months
post-marriage, it is clear to us that the marriage is not working. We
haven't yet filed the AOS paperwork, and my US-citizen husband refuses
to co-operate in doing so. Is there any way for me to remain in the US
permanently now?


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Originally posted by marriagefailing I came here on a
K1 visa, and we married within the 90 days. Two months post-marriage, it
is clear to us that the marriage is not working. We haven't yet filed
the AOS paperwork, and my US-citizen husband refuses to co-operate in
doing so. Is there any way for me to remain in the US permanently now?

not really.


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Originally posted by marriagefailing I came here on a
K1 visa, and we married within the 90 days. Two months post-marriage, it
is clear to us that the marriage is not working. We haven't yet filed
the AOS paperwork, and my US-citizen husband refuses to co-operate in
doing so. Is there any way for me to remain in the US permanently now?

Did you marry him, so you could be in the States.... or did
you marry him because you loved him?
It seems that all you want is to
be in the States.


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Originally posted by marriagefailing Is there any way
for me to remain in the US permanently now?

You can stay in
the US if you want, but you'll have no status and be considered an
illegal alien.

Ian


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Married out of love, but now want to stay.

We loved each other (from a
distance) for a couple of years. Vacationed together, spoke every other
day, wrote each other constantly. But that's a little different than 24
x 7 as we've discovered. 24 x 7 isn't working at all. You discover a lot
about a person that can change your perspective when you live with them.


Never really married for the sake of being in the US, but now that I'm
here, I REALLY want to stay.


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Originally posted by marriagefailing Married out of
love, but now want to stay. We loved each other (from a distance)
for a couple of years. Vacationed together, spoke every other day, wrote
each other constantly. But that's a little different than 24 x 7 as
we've discovered. 24 x 7 isn't working at all. You discover a lot about
a person that can change your perspective when you live with them.
Never really married for the sake of being in the US, but now that I'm
here, I REALLY want to stay.
I'm sorry it didn't work out, and
hope you can find a solution.
Take care.


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Originally posted by marriagefailing Married out of
love, but now want to stay. We loved each other (from a distance)
for a couple of years. Vacationed together, spoke every other day, wrote
each other constantly. But that's a little different than 24 x 7 as
we've discovered. 24 x 7 isn't working at all. You discover a lot about
a person that can change your perspective when you live with them.
Never really married for the sake of being in the US, but now that I'm
here, I REALLY want to stay.

As the others have said, if your
husband does not want to file the AOS paperwork, there's not a lot you
can do to stay here legally.

Kate.


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You're right, that living 24/7 is different than long distance. It
seems a shame to give up after 2 years of spending time getting to know
each other. How about marriage counseling? I just thought of
something...I wonder if there are counselers out there specialized in
inter-cultural or immigration related problems between couples. It's
undoubtedly more stressful than other newly married couples.

By the
way, you can't even marry someone else during these 90 days just to stay
here, because on the paperwork it says for the express purpose of
marrying the person who applied for your visa. You'll still get in
trouble at the Adjustment interview.

Best of Luck to you,
Rene


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Hard to believe that in 2 sshort months you have decided that there is
nothing to be done about what is supposed to be permenant- the
marriage.... and much more concerned about staying here. I would think
most here would be more concerned about how to adapt to marriage and
living together.

Unless one or the other is an adulterer, child
molester, abuser of small animals or an ax murderer- what is so terrible
in 60 days that can't be fixed or accomodated or adapted to?????


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You hit the nail on the head on the issue of adultery, I'm afraid :(


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Originally posted by marriagefailing You hit the nail
on the head on the issue of adultery, I'm afraid :(

What a
horrid situation! I feel bad for you. I have a feeling, maybe someone
else can clarify, that you might have a chance of staying based on the
fact it might be unreasonable to expect you to stay in the marriage.


Good luck to you....i'll follow your posts.


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Originally posted by ironporer Hard to believe that in
2 sshort months you have decided that there is nothing to be done about
what is supposed to be permenant- the marriage.... and much more
concerned about staying here. I would think most here would be more
concerned about how to adapt to marriage and living together.

....If it smells fishy, it's fish....;)


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Originally posted by marriagefailing You hit the nail
on the head on the issue of adultery, I'm afraid :(
Ouch,
sorry to hear that :( Can't say I blame you for wanting out, but still
sort of curious as to why you want to stay in the US? It's only been 2
months, and you probably don't have a life set up here yet...work and
all...do you?

Hope things improve one way or another for you....
Best
Wishes,
Rene


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Nope, no life set up. No work. No real friends either, yet. I'm just
seeing boundless opportunity that doesn't exist elsewhere.


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Originally posted by marriagefailing Nope, no life set
up. No work. No real friends either, yet. I'm just seeing boundless
opportunity that doesn't exist elsewhere.


I'm so sorry to
hear about your sitiuation, and I'm sorry but the people who've answered
your thread are right, I don't think theres anyway you can stay in the
US if your husband wont do anything about the AOS papers :( good luck


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Originally posted by marriagefailing Nope, no life set
up. No work. No real friends either, yet. I'm just seeing boundless
opportunity that doesn't exist elsewhere.
What country do you
come from...?


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Originally posted by marriagefailing I came here on a
K1 visa, and we married within the 90 days. Two months post-marriage, it
is clear to us that the marriage is not working. We haven't yet filed
the AOS paperwork, and my US-citizen husband refuses to co-operate in
doing so. Is there any way for me to remain in the US permanently now?


Gosh my heart breaks for you. I pray for the best for you.
Take care and keep us posted on your progress.

Like Rene
suggested.......... maybe marriage counceling. It can help people who
have been married a long time........ maybe there is still hope and you
and husband. The flame may be low but hopefully it isn't out and you
can find that spark that you had when you married him. :)

Cindy


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Originally posted by marriagefailing Married out of
love, but now want to stay. We loved each other (from a distance)
for a couple of years. Vacationed together, spoke every other day, wrote
each other constantly. But that's a little different than 24 x 7 as
we've discovered. 24 x 7 isn't working at all. You discover a lot about
a person that can change your perspective when you live with them.
Never really married for the sake of being in the US, but now that I'm
here, I REALLY want to stay.


I'm sorry if this sounds harsh,
but welcome to the reality of marriage. Of course being together 24/7
is different than just spending short times together. It's a hell of a
lot easier to walk away than it is to work things out, but if you really
love each other, then you need to give it time and really try. It's
only been a couple months, which is not enough time to really deal with
the issues. You can grow up and try to make it work, or start getting
packed up to go back from whence you came. The choice is yours.

Flame
away if you feel you must, but that's the way it is.


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Originally posted by marriagefailing Nope, no life set
up. No work. No real friends either, yet. I'm just seeing boundless
opportunity that doesn't exist elsewhere.

I am not sure what
country you are from but coming from Europe (Ireland) myself I find the
US very like Europe in a lot of ways, standard of living and lifestyle
are similar. The main thing I would miss if I moved back to Ireland
would be the sunshine here (California). To say the opportunities here
do not exist anywhere else is a little unrealistic. The US is a great
country but the same lifestyle can be had in many other countries.

Hope
it all works out for you
Patrick


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Originally posted by inquisitive40 I am not sure what
country you are from but coming from Europe (Ireland) myself I find the
US very like Europe in a lot of ways, standard of living and lifestyle
are similar. The main thing I would miss if I moved back to Ireland
would be the sunshine here (California). To say the opportunities here
do not exist anywhere else is a little unrealistic. The US is a great
country but the same lifestyle can be had in many other countries.
Hope it all works out for you Patrick
Exactly..... yes
that's right.
I couldn't have said it any better.:)


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britchicknyc wrote:
Originally posted by marriagefailing You hit the nail on the head on the issue of adultery, I'm afraid :( What a horrid situation! I feel bad for you. I have a feeling, maybe someone else can clarify, that you might have a chance of staying based on the fact it might be unreasonable to expect you to stay in the marriage. Good luck to you....i'll follow your posts.

While adultery can sometimes be overcome it takes a lot of work. I'm
more curious why you *REALLY *(emphasis yours) wish to remain? What
happened to you is not good. I would also think (guessing here) that you
don't have a lot of roots/family here to start with (otherwise if you
*REALLY* wish to remain perhaps you could come back sponsored by them)
and I also doubt you have managed to established true, life long
friendships in a mere two months. Being you're gonna be going through a
lot most people would think you would want to be back home where you can
be consoled by friends and family there. As such, again, why do you
*REALLY* wish to stay here?

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Originally posted by psychobabbler1 You can grow up and
try to make it work, or start getting packed up to go back from whence
you came

Didn't she say adultery was an issue?


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Originally posted by jcapulet Didn't she say adultery
was an issue?
Hey, long time no see...:( how are things?


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Originally posted by dutchman2001nl Hey, long time no
see...:( how are things?

Hey Dutchman! I just sent you a
message :D


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Originally posted by jcapulet Hey Dutchman! I just sent
you a message :D
I sent you one too :D:D


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Originally posted by jcapulet Didn't she say adultery
was an issue?

Yes, which I didn't read until after I posted.
It makes the problem
definitely more complicated but I still stand by
what I wrote. IMO, ou shouldn't bail out on a marriage until every
effort is made to save it (exceptions being the obvious spouse abuse,
child abuse and I also include animal cruelty because it's a warning
sign of worse things). People cheat for a reason. I don't condone it
but it could be something that could be worked out. If not, then as I
said, time to pack up and leave.


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Originally posted by psychobabbler1 Yes, which I didn't
read until after I posted. It makes the problem definitely more
complicated but I still stand by what I wrote. IMO, ou shouldn't bail
out on a marriage until every effort is made to save it (exceptions
being the obvious spouse abuse, child abuse and I also include animal
cruelty because it's a warning sign of worse things). People cheat for
a reason. I don't condone it but it could be something that could be
worked out. If not, then as I said, time to pack up and leave.


Some people just cheat for the buzz of cheating. Saying
people cheat for a reason kinda implies she can do something about it.

Not sure what she can do now,, Was it just a misreading of the guy OR
did you think that he would change when you lived together?
Patrick


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Originally posted by marriagefailing I came here on a
K1 visa, and we married within the 90 days. Two months post-marriage, it
is clear to us that the marriage is not working. We haven't yet filed
the AOS paperwork, and my US-citizen husband refuses to co-operate in
doing so. Is there any way for me to remain in the US permanently now?



Do a search here for "AGUILA". His situation is similar to
yours.

Good luck.


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Originally posted by dutchman2001nl Exactly..... yes
that's right. I couldn't have said it any better.:)


Hi
Dutch! How are you and the Mrs.?


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Originally posted by inquisitive40 Some people just
cheat for the buzz of cheating. Saying people cheat for a reason kinda
implies she can do something about it. Not sure what she can do now,,
Was it just a misreading of the guy OR did you think that he would
change when you lived together? Patrick
The reasons for the
marriage not working are sort of water under the bridge now. It
doesn't sound like either one of them wants to stay together, and the
choice is definitely theirs. However, regarding the OP's main
question, the answer is still no. If the USC spouse won't comply with
completing the AOS process, she simply can't stay here legally. Had
the problems started after submission of the paperwork, she might have
had a chance. She will need the USC's I-864 to submit with the AOS
papers, even if she wanted to go it alone, and he doesn't want to help.
So there you have it.

Rene


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Originally posted by Leslie66 Hi Dutch! How are you
and the Mrs.?
We are doing great. If we were any better, we'd
be 4 people.:)
It's such a wonderful feeling, being together. We';ll
have our 1st wedding-anniversary in 2 days, and it feels great to be
married to this wonderful woman. I am a blessed man :)
I went for my
Interim EAD yesterday, but they don't give it the same day here in
Kentucky, and I need to come back the 22nd to pick it up. I'm ready to
go working, it's boring being home all day.
Mrs. is doing great to....
working hard though as always.
How are things with you guy's?
Take care
please.....:)


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Originally posted by dutchman2001nl We are doing great.
If we were any better, we'd be 4 people.:) It's such a wonderful
feeling, being together. We';ll have our 1st wedding-anniversary in 2
days, and it feels great to be married to this wonderful woman. I am a
blessed man :) I went for my Interim EAD yesterday, but they don't
give it the same day here in Kentucky, and I need to come back the 22nd
to pick it up. I'm ready to go working, it's boring being home all day.
Mrs. is doing great to.... working hard though as always. How are
things with you guy's? Take care please.....:)

Happy 1st
Anniversary!!! John and I celebrate ours on July 19th!

:)

Cindy


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Originally posted by ironporer ........ abuser of
small animals <snip>

Did you hear that, Ray? He
says that likes it's a bad thing.


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Originally posted by JohnCindy Happy 1st Anniversary!!!
John and I celebrate ours on July 19th! :) Cindy

Happy 1st Anniversary to you too :D


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Originally posted by dutchman2001nl Happy 1st
Anniversary to you too :D

Time really does fly when you are
having fun :D


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Originally posted by dutchman2001nl We are doing great.
<snip> How are things with you guy's? Take care
please.....:)

That's great. Tell Patricia hello for me.


We're doing really well. Khalid got his 2 year EAD and is already
working. He's also enrolled in some college courses. Funny thing, even
though he's from Marakesh, he thinks the heat in Texas is worse than
Africa. I'm afraid he's right.

Take is easy....

Leslie


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Originally posted by Leslie66 That's great. Tell
Patricia hello for me. We're doing really well. Khalid got his 2
year EAD and is already working. He's also enrolled in some college
courses. Funny thing, even though he's from Marakesh, he thinks the
heat in Texas is worse than Africa. I'm afraid he's right. Take is
easy.... Leslie
We'll need to move to Texas then.... I
love the heat.
We were in FL recently for a vacation, and it was over
100F.... pretty nice.:)


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Originally posted by dutchman2001nl We'll need to move
to Texas then.... I love the heat. We were in FL recently for a
vacation, and it was over 100F.... pretty nice.:)

Dutch...OMG....come to Arizona! It's like an oven here!

Leslie,
Khalid would probably like the heat here...at least it's a DRY
heat....LOL

I have relatives in Florida and I can't stand the humidity
there!! It totally drains me. :(

Rene


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Originally posted by Noorah101 Dutch...OMG....come to
Arizona! It's like an oven here! Leslie, Khalid would probably
like the heat here...at least it's a DRY heat....LOL I have
relatives in Florida and I can't stand the humidity there!! It totally
drains me. :( Rene
Florida, Arizona, Texas.... I'll need
to talk to Patricia about me traveling so much :D


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Originally posted by Noorah101 Dutch...OMG....come to
Arizona! It's like an oven here! Leslie, Khalid would probably
like the heat here...at least it's a DRY heat....LOL I have
relatives in Florida and I can't stand the humidity there!! It totally
drains me. :( Rene


It's deadly humid here
too............ Yucky-poo!!

Dutch, you can have this heat. I can't
stand July and August in Texas, but I wouldn't trade the winters.


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Originally posted by Leslie66 Dutch, you can have this
heat. I can't stand July and August in Texas, but I wouldn't trade the
winters.
Leslie, I'm with you on that one. When winter comes
here I remember why I suffer through summer :)


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jcapulet wrote:
Originally posted by psychobabbler1 You can grow up and try to make it work, or start getting packed up to go back from whence you came Didn't she say adultery was an issue?

Yeah. And so? Many couples survive infidelity.
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marriagefailing wrote:
Nope, no life set up. No work. No real friends either, yet. I'm just seeing boundless opportunity that doesn't exist elsewhere.

Great. Glad you like America. Now go home and come back when you have
something to offer. We really don't need yet another foreigner who has
no means of support and just likes the opportunity of possibly
succeeding here. This is exactly why US immigration laws requiring
sponsorship. Sure a lot of people like the boundless opportunity that
America offers and they want to come here. But if we simply allowed that
to happen many would fail and then we have to bail them out.

You're husband was your sponsor. You lost your sponsor. You should go
home and come back if you still want to in a legal fashion, which will
entail either getting another sponsor be it marriage based or employment
based.

Sorry if this sounds harsh but I believe it to be reality.

Good luck.

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inquisitive40 wrote:
Some people just cheat for the buzz of cheating.

Ah... well that *is* a reason!
Saying people cheat for a reason kinda implies she can do something about it.

And sometimes, though rarely I would think, that reason is something
that can be fixed.
Not sure what she can do now,, Was it just a misreading of the guy OR did you think that he would change when you lived together?

Counseling would be a start in order to ascertain why he cheated.

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Leslie66 wrote:
Originally posted by dutchman2001nl We are doing great. <snip> How are things with you guy's? Take care please.....:) That's great. Tell Patricia hello for me. We're doing really well. Khalid got his 2 year EAD and is already working. He's also enrolled in some college courses. Funny thing, even though he's from Marakesh, he thinks the heat in Texas is worse than Africa. I'm afraid he's right. Take is easy.... Leslie

I know this will be unpopular however, doesn't BE have those private
message thingies so you you girls can have your "Hi, how are you?"/"Just
fine, and you" private conversion um... err.. *privately*.

Geeze. I feel like I'm listening in on somebody's cell phone!
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Originally posted by dutchman2001nl We are doing great.
If we were any better, we'd be 4 people.:) It's such a wonderful
feeling, being together. We';ll have our 1st wedding-anniversary in 2
days, and it feels great to be married to this wonderful woman. I am a
blessed man :) I went for my Interim EAD yesterday, but they don't
give it the same day here in Kentucky, and I need to come back the 22nd
to pick it up. I'm ready to go working, it's boring being home all day.
Mrs. is doing great to.... working hard though as always. How are
things with you guy's? Take care please.....:)

Aww
Dutchie!!
CONGRATULATIONS!!
You have been married for a
year? Wow time goes by fast!


Ps:Our anniversary is within 10 days:), I
love being married!!


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Originally posted by marriagefailing I came here on a
K1 visa, and we married within the 90 days. Two months post-marriage, it
is clear to us that the marriage is not working. We haven't yet filed
the AOS paperwork, and my US-citizen husband refuses to co-operate in
doing so. Is there any way for me to remain in the US permanently now?


Hey there:

I am so sorry to hear that. Is there anyway you
can work it out?, You went thru the K1 process, spent time separated..
isn't there anything you can do to remain with the man you learnt to
love?
You have been married for 2 months, It is hard at first because
living together 24/7 is very different than seeing each other every 5
months, it takes time to adjust to marriage life.. but if there is love,
every situation can be conquered, Maybe I am dreamer.. but That's the
way I think a marriage should be!
If you love him.. don't throw
everything away.. If you no longer love him.. the best thing is to walk
away, but be sure that's what you really want, because once you walk
away.. there might not be a turning back..
I wouldn't worry about my
immigration status if my marriage was failing.. but then again.. that's
me.
Look within your heart.. think twice and if you decide that separate
ways is what you really want.. then go ahead..
Good Luck!!


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Originally posted by marriagefailing I came here on a
K1 visa, and we married within the 90 days. Two months post-marriage, it
is clear to us that the marriage is not working. We haven't yet filed
the AOS paperwork, and my US-citizen husband refuses to co-operate in
doing so. Is there any way for me to remain in the US permanently now?


Hi:

Talk to a lawyer on this one -- this is a gray area.
There IS case law that suggests that it is possible -- but it is pre-
1986 when they introduced the conditional stuff.

There is NO clear
answer on this.

It depends on how much you are willing to fight it.


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Originally posted by Folinskyinla Hi: Talk to a
lawyer on this one -- this is a gray area. There IS case law that
suggests that it is possible -- but it is pre-1986 when they introduced
the conditional stuff. There is NO clear answer on this. It
depends on how much you are willing to fight it.

Hi, Mr. F,


Out of curiousity, which case law is that (it's going to be a slow
weekend here and I need something to sink my teeth into)? And if she
does fight for it, does she still have to show "positive equities"? I
doubt she has US citizen or PR relatives besides her husband, and I
doubt that she has established ties to the community or her job.

Anna


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Originally posted by marriagefailing I came here on a
K1 visa, and we married within the 90 days. Two months post-marriage, it
is clear to us that the marriage is not working. We haven't yet filed
the AOS paperwork, and my US-citizen husband refuses to co-operate in
doing so. Is there any way for me to remain in the US permanently now?



Have you thought about just finding someone else to marry?
You could file another aos with the new guy. There are lots of guys who
want to get married.


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Originally posted by AnnaV Hi, Mr. F, Out of
curiousity, which case law is that (it's going to be a slow weekend here
and I need something to sink my teeth into)? And if she does fight for
it, does she still have to show "positive equities"? I doubt she has US
citizen or PR relatives besides her husband, and I doubt that she has
established ties to the community or her job. Anna

I am
sorry you didn't have your marriage work out.


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Originally posted by todai Have you thought about just
finding someone else to marry? You could file another aos with the new
guy. There are lots of guys who want to get married.
Thank you
toady.. aka Dave W ...another usless comment...


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I think that is a great idea to find another man to marry.
then you
could stay here in the USA.


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Originally posted by elenagreene I think that is a
great idea to find another man to marry. then you could stay here in
the USA.


hmmmmm.....


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Originally posted by ray6 And the troll gets another
new name

The cat is away, and the mice are at play.


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Originally posted by elenagreene I think that is a
great idea to find another man to marry. then you could stay here in
the USA.

Wrong.


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todai wrote:
Originally posted by marriagefailing I came here on a K1 visa, and we married within the 90 days. Two months post-marriage, it is clear to us that the marriage is not working. We haven't yet filed the AOS paperwork, and my US-citizen husband refuses to co-operate in doing so. Is there any way for me to remain in the US permanently now? Have you thought about just finding someone else to marry? You could file another aos with the new guy. There are lots of guys who want to get married.

That's fine but it just doesn't work like that. Sure she could get
married - but she's gotta leave the country soon. She cannot use
marriage to a USC at this point as a way to stay in the country. (And
getting married on such a rebound is *not* a good idea anyway).

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For my birthday I got a humidifier and a de-humidifier...I put them in
the same room and let them fight it out...

Originally posted by Hypertweeky Aww Dutchie!!
CONGRATULATIONS!! You have been married for a year? Wow time goes by
fast! Ps:Our anniversary is within 10 days:), I love being
married!!
Thanks Hyper, Happy Anniversary to you guy's too :D


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Originally posted by elenagreene I think that is a
great idea to find another man to marry. then you could stay here
in the USA.

Don't you have to be deeply in love to get
married anymore?


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Originally posted by todai Have you thought about just
finding someone else to marry? You could file another aos with the new
guy. There are lots of guys who want to get married.

I
believe being married to two men at the same time is still illegal- even
in Utah. Might present some issues at AOS.

Since no one has asked
(everyone just assumes it was the evil man), who commited the adultery?
Your initial post would lead me to believe it was you- since he is so
adamant in his not wanting to continue the marriage. Just being nosey.


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veryfunny wrote:
Originally posted by elenagreene I think that is a great idea to find another man to marry.then you could stay here in the USA. Don't you have to be deeply in love to get married anymore?

Actually getting married for love is a relatively recent idea if you
check your history.

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Originally posted by Andrew DeFaria Great. Glad you
like America. Now go home and come back when you have something to
offer. We really don't need yet another foreigner who has no means of
support and just likes the opportunity of possibly succeeding here. This
is exactly why US immigration laws requiring sponsorship. Sure a lot of
people like the boundless opportunity that America offers and they want
to come here. But if we simply allowed that to happen many would fail
and then we have to bail them out. You're husband was your sponsor.
You lost your sponsor. You should go home and come back if you still
want to in a legal fashion, which will entail either getting another
sponsor be it marriage based or employment based. Sorry if this sounds
harsh but I believe it to be reality.
Now this very rarely
happens.. but I agree with Andrew.. You have only been here a few
months..think of it as a long vacation..
Go home ..start again..you
really have not got much other choice..


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Originally posted by ray6 Now this very rarely
happens.. but I agree with Andrew.. You have only been here a few
months..think of it as a long vacation.. Go home ..start again..you
really have not got much other choice..

I have read that when
a girl reports abuse that there is an exception for this. Were you
abused psychologically or physically?
You can also meet a guy and marry
him and this can help you stay in the USA no matter if you have to go
back or not. Your new husband can file a dcf or k-3 and get you back
here. If you find a guy, you will have a way to stay or come back.


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Originally posted by ray6 Dave.. please stop giving out
incorrect, false, and just plain crap info


http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/vawo/laws/insvawa.htm

I don't
know what imaginary person you are talking to, but this is the official
link on the subject

a woman or child can stay if abused by a us
citizen.

so read your facts charlie before throwing your ignorance in
my direction.

I am a part-time administrator at the doj, so yes, I do
know what I am talking about.


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Originally posted by ray6 Dave.. please stop giving out
incorrect, false, and just plain crap info


http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/vawo/laws/insvawa.htm

I don't
know what imaginary person you are talking to, but this is the official
link on the subject

a woman or child can stay if abused by a us
citizen.

so read your facts charlie before throwing your ignorance in
my direction.

I am a part-time administrator at the doj, so yes, I do
know what I am talking about.


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Originally posted by elenagreene I am an administrator
at the doj, so yes, I do know what I am talking about.

Impersonating a federal employee is a serious felony... guess who I
will be contacting first thing tommorrow morning...
and the page has
been printed off...
And even if you was genuine you must know the rules
about
DOJ employee commenting in public forums..


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Originally posted by elenagreene I am an administrator
at the doj, so yes, I do know what I am talking about.

Impersonating a federal employee is a serious felony... guess who I
will be contacting first thing tommorrow morning...
and the page has
been printed off...
And even if you was genuine you must know the rules
about
DOJ employee commenting in public forums..


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She can not stay in the country and marry another man. If you remember when
filing for a K1 visa the U.S. citizen must petition for the fiancé to come
to the U.S. If approved, the applicant must marry the person who petitioned
for them and ONLY them. Not to mention the issue of divorcing or annulling
the current marriage within the 90 day time frame of filing for the AOS
after marriage AND then finding another life partner to "spontaneously"
marry. It is unlikely that the INS authorities would believe that such a
marriage is valid and would expel her based on their finding.

I would suggest that she work out her problems with her husband. They may
be going through some grow pains or something. They have spent so much time
away from each other and now they just need to get used to each other. That
does happen. No one ever said marriage was easy.

-NyVa & LpVa




"Andrew DeFaria" <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote in message
news:72cde$40f9f630$43661972$26535@msgid.meganewss ervers.com... veryfunny wrote: Originally posted by elenagreene I think that is a great idea to find another man to marry.then you could stay here in the USA. Don't you have to be deeply in love to get married anymore? Actually getting married for love is a relatively recent idea if you check your history. -- As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.

She can not stay in the country and marry another man. If you remember when
filing for a K1 visa the U.S. citizen must petition for the fiancé to come
to the U.S. If approved, the applicant must marry the person who petitioned
for them and ONLY them. Not to mention the issue of divorcing or annulling
the current marriage within the 90 day time frame of filing for the AOS
after marriage AND then finding another life partner to "spontaneously"
marry. It is unlikely that the INS authorities would believe that such a
marriage is valid and would expel her based on their finding.

I would suggest that she work out her problems with her husband. They may
be going through some grow pains or something. They have spent so much time
away from each other and now they just need to get used to each other. That
does happen. No one ever said marriage was easy.

-NyVa & LpVa




"Andrew DeFaria" <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote in message
news:72cde$40f9f630$43661972$26535@msgid.meganewss ervers.com... veryfunny wrote: Originally posted by elenagreene I think that is a great idea to find another man to marry.then you could stay here in the USA. Don't you have to be deeply in love to get married anymore? Actually getting married for love is a relatively recent idea if you check your history. -- As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.

elenagreene wrote:
Originally posted by ray6 Now this very rarely happens.. but I agree with Andrew.. You have only been here a few months..think of it as a long vacation.. Go home ..start again..you really have not got much other choice.. I have read that when a girl reports abuse that there is an exception for this.

When anybody, woman or man, not only reports abuse but can prove it,
then yes there is a special waiver. Although the VAWA (Violence Against
Women Act) explicitly states women it applies to abused men too (and men
also can be abused). However no abuse was even hinted at here so why
then do you bring it up?
Were you abused psychologically or physically?

She reported no abuse whatsoever. To claim abuse when none is present is
just wrong. It can ruin the accused's live. Why would you advocate such
a position?
You can also meet a guy and marry him and this can help you stay in the USA no matter if you have to go back or not. Your new husband can file a dcf or k-3 and get you back here. If you find a guy, you will have a way to stay or come back.

You are mistaken. A K1 explicitly states that AOS can only be done
through the original petitioner. She can come back through marriage to
another USC but she must leave first. This is why many go for the abuse
waiver because it's the only other way (short of self petitioning, which
would be difficult for such a short marriage - looks suspicious).
Problem is the abuse waiver is abused itself with false claims of abuse
when the real motivation is merely to get a green card. I am shocked and
appalled that you suggest an abuse waiver since no abuse was claimed in
the OP's posting. To me this suggests that you are suggesting to her to
lie about abuse to abuse the abuse waiver.
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elenagreene wrote:
Originally posted by ray6 Now this very rarely happens.. but I agree with Andrew.. You have only been here a few months..think of it as a long vacation.. Go home ..start again..you really have not got much other choice.. I have read that when a girl reports abuse that there is an exception for this.

When anybody, woman or man, not only reports abuse but can prove it,
then yes there is a special waiver. Although the VAWA (Violence Against
Women Act) explicitly states women it applies to abused men too (and men
also can be abused). However no abuse was even hinted at here so why
then do you bring it up?
Were you abused psychologically or physically?

She reported no abuse whatsoever. To claim abuse when none is present is
just wrong. It can ruin the accused's live. Why would you advocate such
a position?
You can also meet a guy and marry him and this can help you stay in the USA no matter if you have to go back or not. Your new husband can file a dcf or k-3 and get you back here. If you find a guy, you will have a way to stay or come back.

You are mistaken. A K1 explicitly states that AOS can only be done
through the original petitioner. She can come back through marriage to
another USC but she must leave first. This is why many go for the abuse
waiver because it's the only other way (short of self petitioning, which
would be difficult for such a short marriage - looks suspicious).
Problem is the abuse waiver is abused itself with false claims of abuse
when the real motivation is merely to get a green card. I am shocked and
appalled that you suggest an abuse waiver since no abuse was claimed in
the OP's posting. To me this suggests that you are suggesting to her to
lie about abuse to abuse the abuse waiver.
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elenagreene wrote:
Originally posted by ray6 Dave.. please stop giving out incorrect, false, and just plain crap info http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/vawo/laws/insvawa.htm I don't know what imaginary person you are talking to, but this is the official link on the subject a woman or child can stay if abused by a us citizen. so read your facts charlie before throwing your ignorance in my direction. I am a part-time administrator at the doj, so yes, I do know what I am talking about.

You're "facts" would hold more water if they were applicable to the
situation at hand, however they are not. No abuse was claimed. You
suggesting such an inappropriate course of action is deplorable IMHO.

Got a link that says a K1 visa holder can adjust status through another
marriage without first leaving the US? I don't think so.

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elenagreene wrote:
Originally posted by ray6 Dave.. please stop giving out incorrect, false, and just plain crap info http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/vawo/laws/insvawa.htm I don't know what imaginary person you are talking to, but this is the official link on the subject a woman or child can stay if abused by a us citizen. so read your facts charlie before throwing your ignorance in my direction. I am a part-time administrator at the doj, so yes, I do know what I am talking about.

You're "facts" would hold more water if they were applicable to the
situation at hand, however they are not. No abuse was claimed. You
suggesting such an inappropriate course of action is deplorable IMHO.

Got a link that says a K1 visa holder can adjust status through another
marriage without first leaving the US? I don't think so.

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others here for?

ray6 wrote:
Originally posted by elenagreene I am an administrator at the doj, so yes, I do know what I am talking about.
Ray, I find your removing of the phrase "part-time" suspicious. Why did
you do that?
Impersonating a federal employee is a serious felony... guess who I will be contacting first thing tommorrow morning...

I won't guess but I will ask: Who will you be contacting first thing
tomorrow morning? First you have no proof that "elenagreen" is not a
part time admin at the DOJ. Second, we don't know what "admin" means in
this context. Could be a computer admin or a secretary or whatever.
Admin is a very vague job title. Third you have no idea if "elenagreen"
is a formation of a name or just and arbitrary handle. Fourth, we can't
track down the infamous troll who posts crap about MrTravel from time to
time so what makes you think you can trace "elenagreen" to an actually
human being? Fifth, if you think you're just gonna call the DOJ and 1)
get through in any reasonable amount of time or 2) simply inform them
that somebody with a handle of "elenagreen" is posting facts (misaligned
facts to the case but facts nonetheless) and they are gonna somehow
magically be able to to translate that to an actual person and reprimand
them or fire them then you extremely optimistic in the face of enormous
odds against you!
and the page has been printed off...

Whatsoever for? It's available online, and from apparently and official
government website, viewable by all. What's your problem with this?
And even if you was genuine you must know the rules about DOJ employee commenting in public forums..

For those of use who are not DOJ employees, no, what are the rules about
DOJ employees commenting in public forums?
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ray6 wrote:
Originally posted by elenagreene I am an administrator at the doj, so yes, I do know what I am talking about.
Ray, I find your removing of the phrase "part-time" suspicious. Why did
you do that?
Impersonating a federal employee is a serious felony... guess who I will be contacting first thing tommorrow morning...

I won't guess but I will ask: Who will you be contacting first thing
tomorrow morning? First you have no proof that "elenagreen" is not a
part time admin at the DOJ. Second, we don't know what "admin" means in
this context. Could be a computer admin or a secretary or whatever.
Admin is a very vague job title. Third you have no idea if "elenagreen"
is a formation of a name or just and arbitrary handle. Fourth, we can't
track down the infamous troll who posts crap about MrTravel from time to
time so what makes you think you can trace "elenagreen" to an actually
human being? Fifth, if you think you're just gonna call the DOJ and 1)
get through in any reasonable amount of time or 2) simply inform them
that somebody with a handle of "elenagreen" is posting facts (misaligned
facts to the case but facts nonetheless) and they are gonna somehow
magically be able to to translate that to an actual person and reprimand
them or fire them then you extremely optimistic in the face of enormous
odds against you!
and the page has been printed off...

Whatsoever for? It's available online, and from apparently and official
government website, viewable by all. What's your problem with this?
And even if you was genuine you must know the rules about DOJ employee commenting in public forums..

For those of use who are not DOJ employees, no, what are the rules about
DOJ employees commenting in public forums?
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I'm wondering why you choose my posting to attach this message to? Your
reply has really nothing to with my response.

Jane wrote:
She can not stay in the country and marry another man. If you remember when filing for a K1 visa the U.S. citizen must petition for the fiancé to come to the U.S. If approved, the applicant must marry the person who petitioned for them and ONLY them. Not to mention the issue of divorcing or annulling the current marriage within the 90 day time frame of filing for the AOS after marriage AND then finding another life partner to "spontaneously" marry. It is unlikely that the INS authorities would believe that such a marriage is valid and would expel her based on their finding. I would suggest that she work out her problems with her husband. They may be going through some grow pains or something. They have spent so much time away from each other and now they just need to get used to each other. That does happen. No one ever said marriage was easy. -NyVa & LpVa "Andrew DeFaria" <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote in message news:72cde$40f9f630$43661972$26535@msgid.meganewss ervers.com... veryfunny wrote: Originally posted by elenagreene> I think that is a great idea to find another man to marry.then you> could stay here in the USA. Don't you have to be deeply in love to get married anymore? Actually getting married for love is a relatively recent idea if you check your history. -- As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.


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I'm wondering why you choose my posting to attach this message to? Your
reply has really nothing to with my response.

Jane wrote:
She can not stay in the country and marry another man. If you remember when filing for a K1 visa the U.S. citizen must petition for the fiancé to come to the U.S. If approved, the applicant must marry the person who petitioned for them and ONLY them. Not to mention the issue of divorcing or annulling the current marriage within the 90 day time frame of filing for the AOS after marriage AND then finding another life partner to "spontaneously" marry. It is unlikely that the INS authorities would believe that such a marriage is valid and would expel her based on their finding. I would suggest that she work out her problems with her husband. They may be going through some grow pains or something. They have spent so much time away from each other and now they just need to get used to each other. That does happen. No one ever said marriage was easy. -NyVa & LpVa "Andrew DeFaria" <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote in message news:72cde$40f9f630$43661972$26535@msgid.meganewss ervers.com... veryfunny wrote: Originally posted by elenagreene> I think that is a great idea to find another man to marry.then you> could stay here in the USA. Don't you have to be deeply in love to get married anymore? Actually getting married for love is a relatively recent idea if you check your history. -- As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.


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Originally posted by Andrew DeFaria [/i Ray, I find your
removing of the phrase "part-time" suspicious. Why did you do that? [

I did not removed the phrase it was edited by OP
of course its
a fake..I am pretty sure I know who it is anyway
unlike you I an not up
on usernet..this particular troll usually deletes their messages after
a day anyway..I printed it as a reminder to myself.. It will get nowhere
..but worth a try..


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Originally posted by Andrew DeFaria [/i Ray, I find your
removing of the phrase "part-time" suspicious. Why did you do that? [

I did not removed the phrase it was edited by OP
of course its
a fake..I am pretty sure I know who it is anyway
unlike you I an not up
on usernet..this particular troll usually deletes their messages after
a day anyway..I printed it as a reminder to myself.. It will get nowhere
..but worth a try..


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Originally posted by Andrew DeFaria jcapulet wrote:
Originally posted by psychobabbler1 You can grow
up and try to make it work, or start getting packed up to
go back from whence you came Didn't she say adultery was an
issue? Yeah. And so? Many couples survive infidelity. --
Who's General Failure & why's he reading my disk?

Ah yes,
infidelity is just SO trivial, Andrew. :rolleyes:


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Originally posted by Andrew DeFaria jcapulet wrote:
Originally posted by psychobabbler1 You can grow
up and try to make it work, or start getting packed up to
go back from whence you came Didn't she say adultery was an
issue? Yeah. And so? Many couples survive infidelity. --
Who's General Failure & why's he reading my disk?

Ah yes,
infidelity is just SO trivial, Andrew. :rolleyes:


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jcapulet wrote:
Ah yes, infidelity is just SO trivial, Andrew. :rolleyes:

Don't you go rolling your eyes at me! Did I say that infidelity is
trivial? No. I said that some couples survive infidelity. This is
demonstrably true. So why then do you put words in my mouth! Infidelity
is not trivial however it is not insumountable for everybody either.
That was my point. Now do you have a point...?

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jcapulet wrote:
Ah yes, infidelity is just SO trivial, Andrew. :rolleyes:

Don't you go rolling your eyes at me! Did I say that infidelity is
trivial? No. I said that some couples survive infidelity. This is
demonstrably true. So why then do you put words in my mouth! Infidelity
is not trivial however it is not insumountable for everybody either.
That was my point. Now do you have a point...?

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The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple.

ray6 wrote:
Originally posted by Andrew DeFaria [/i Ray, I find your removing of the phrase "part-time" suspicious. Why did you do that? I did not removed the phrase it was edited by OP

Huh? English please. "I did not removed the phrase"?!? The phrase was
there. You responded. You quoted the previous reply. Ergo the phrase was
in your response. So then you removed it. Or you copied it and pasted it
and removed the phrase. The above doesn't parse and doesn't make sense.
The "OP" doesn't get a chance to edit your response - or does he on BE?!?
of course its a fake..

Your proof?...
I am pretty sure I know who it is anyway unlike you I an not up on usernet..

Then get "up on it" or don't comment about what you don't know about.
this particular troll usually deletes their messages after a day anyway..

And as you've undoubtedly heard, deleting messages rarely works
successfully on Usenet.
I printed it as a reminder to myself.. It will get nowhere .but worth a try..

A statement of futility? Or madness? If it will get nowhere one has to
wonder why you are trying....

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ray6 wrote:
Originally posted by Andrew DeFaria [/i Ray, I find your removing of the phrase "part-time" suspicious. Why did you do that? I did not removed the phrase it was edited by OP

Huh? English please. "I did not removed the phrase"?!? The phrase was
there. You responded. You quoted the previous reply. Ergo the phrase was
in your response. So then you removed it. Or you copied it and pasted it
and removed the phrase. The above doesn't parse and doesn't make sense.
The "OP" doesn't get a chance to edit your response - or does he on BE?!?
of course its a fake..

Your proof?...
I am pretty sure I know who it is anyway unlike you I an not up on usernet..

Then get "up on it" or don't comment about what you don't know about.
this particular troll usually deletes their messages after a day anyway..

And as you've undoubtedly heard, deleting messages rarely works
successfully on Usenet.
I printed it as a reminder to myself.. It will get nowhere .but worth a try..

A statement of futility? Or madness? If it will get nowhere one has to
wonder why you are trying....

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Originally posted by Andrew DeFaria jcapulet wrote:
Ah yes, infidelity is just SO trivial, Andrew. :rolleyes:
Don't you go rolling your eyes at me! Did I say that infidelity is
trivial? No. I said that some couples survive infidelity. This is
demonstrably true. So why then do you put words in my mouth! Infidelity
is not trivial however it is not insumountable for everybody either.
That was my point. Now do you have a point...? -- The pure
and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple.


Gee,
Andrew. Why don't you over-react next time?

Touchy! Touchy! Touchy!


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Originally posted by Andrew DeFaria jcapulet wrote:
Ah yes, infidelity is just SO trivial, Andrew. :rolleyes:
Don't you go rolling your eyes at me! Did I say that infidelity is
trivial? No. I said that some couples survive infidelity. This is
demonstrably true. So why then do you put words in my mouth! Infidelity
is not trivial however it is not insumountable for everybody either.
That was my point. Now do you have a point...? -- The pure
and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple.


Gee,
Andrew. Why don't you over-react next time?

Touchy! Touchy! Touchy!


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Originally posted by Andrew DeFaria jcapulet wrote:
Ah yes, infidelity is just SO trivial, Andrew. :rolleyes:
Don't you go rolling your eyes at me! Did I say that infidelity is
trivial? No. I said that some couples survive infidelity. This is
demonstrably true. So why then do you put words in my mouth! Infidelity
is not trivial however it is not insumountable for everybody either.
That was my point. Now do you have a point...? -- The pure
and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple.

No, you did
not say it; but your apparent "so what?" attitude toward the subject is
what prompted my reply. The comments you made just now on the subject of
infidelity, are far more constructive than what you originally said.


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Originally posted by Andrew DeFaria jcapulet wrote:
Ah yes, infidelity is just SO trivial, Andrew. :rolleyes:
Don't you go rolling your eyes at me! Did I say that infidelity is
trivial? No. I said that some couples survive infidelity. This is
demonstrably true. So why then do you put words in my mouth! Infidelity
is not trivial however it is not insumountable for everybody either.
That was my point. Now do you have a point...? -- The pure
and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple.

No, you did
not say it; but your apparent "so what?" attitude toward the subject is
what prompted my reply. The comments you made just now on the subject of
infidelity, are far more constructive than what you originally said.


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Leslie66 wrote:
Gee, Andrew. Why don't you over-react next time?

'Cause I don't think you'd be able to handle a real overraction of mine.
:-(
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Leslie66 wrote:
Gee, Andrew. Why don't you over-react next time?

'Cause I don't think you'd be able to handle a real overraction of mine.
:-(
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Originally posted by Andrew DeFaria 'Cause I
don't think you'd be able to handle a real overraction of mine. [



I'm sure I would manage to muddle through somehow.


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Originally posted by Andrew DeFaria 'Cause I
don't think you'd be able to handle a real overraction of mine. [



I'm sure I would manage to muddle through somehow.


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jcapulet wrote:
Originally posted by Andrew DeFaria jcapulet wrote: Ah yes, infidelity is just SO trivial, Andrew. :rolleyes: Don't you go rolling your eyes at me! Did I say that infidelity is trivial? No. I said that some couples survive infidelity. This is demonstrably true. So why then do you put words in my mouth! Infidelity is not trivial however it is not insumountable for everybody either. That was my point. Now do you have a point...? No, you did not say it; but your apparent "so what?" attitude toward the subject is what prompted my reply.

Thanks for verifying for me that your response was from something that
you read into my statement not from anything I said. I cannot control
your incorrect conclusions.

You were saying that there was infidelity. Fine. We all know that. And
because there was infidelity.... <fill in here>. That's what I meant by
"so what".
The comments you made just now on the subject of infidelity, are far more constructive than what you originally said.

Perhaps. Consider the prior response as shorthand.

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jcapulet wrote:
Originally posted by Andrew DeFaria jcapulet wrote: Ah yes, infidelity is just SO trivial, Andrew. :rolleyes: Don't you go rolling your eyes at me! Did I say that infidelity is trivial? No. I said that some couples survive infidelity. This is demonstrably true. So why then do you put words in my mouth! Infidelity is not trivial however it is not insumountable for everybody either. That was my point. Now do you have a point...? No, you did not say it; but your apparent "so what?" attitude toward the subject is what prompted my reply.

Thanks for verifying for me that your response was from something that
you read into my statement not from anything I said. I cannot control
your incorrect conclusions.

You were saying that there was infidelity. Fine. We all know that. And
because there was infidelity.... <fill in here>. That's what I meant by
"so what".
The comments you made just now on the subject of infidelity, are far more constructive than what you originally said.

Perhaps. Consider the prior response as shorthand.

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