This is the first time I'm writing in this group, I found it very
informative so I decided to share my experienc:

Timeline:
- Moved to California February 2nd 2001
- Married to a US citizen on September 29th 2001
- Had my interview on July 8th 2002
- Received my conditional green card on July 15th 2002

Now it is the time to file the I-751, and here is my story:
We love each other, we dated for 5 months and then we got married, we
lived as a wife and husband for 2.5 years and we still live with each
other, recentely I found that my wife is cheating on me, she doesn't
know that I have the evidence, she got pregnant, and mostly it is my
baby, she wants an abortion and abortion is against my beliefs, she
even wants a separation and willing to move out after 3 months.

We both are going to file the I-751 jointly next month and I have a
lot of evidence that our marriage was based on good faith.

Now I started to feel that I have to take action and I've read almost
all posts in this group, and I'm not sure if I can file a battered
spouse waiver in case the divorce happen while the I-751 is pending.

I have the report that shows the blood test result is positive, I also
have some emails, copy and paste from chatting rooms, reports from 2
doctors shows that I suffered stress, anxiety, and depression. Is that
enough evidence to file as a battered spouse?

Thank you all

Originally posted by Justice This is the first time I'm
writing in this group, I found it very informative so I decided to
share my experienc: Timeline: - Moved to California February 2nd
2001 - Married to a US citizen on September 29th 2001 - Had my
interview on July 8th 2002 - Received my conditional green card on
July 15th 2002 Now it is the time to file the I-751, and here is my
story: We love each other, we dated for 5 months and then we got
married, we lived as a wife and husband for 2.5 years and we still
live with each other, recentely I found that my wife is cheating on
me, she doesn't know that I have the evidence, she got pregnant, and
mostly it is my baby, she wants an abortion and abortion is against my
beliefs, she even wants a separation and willing to move out after 3
months. We both are going to file the I-751 jointly next month and
I have a lot of evidence that our marriage was based on good faith.
Now I started to feel that I have to take action and I've read almost
all posts in this group, and I'm not sure if I can file a battered
spouse waiver in case the divorce happen while the I-751 is pending.
I have the report that shows the blood test result is positive, I
also have some emails, copy and paste from chatting rooms, reports
from 2 doctors shows that I suffered stress, anxiety, and depression.
Is that enough evidence to file as a battered spouse? Thank you
all

Perhaps the best route you can take is file jointly, and
then when divorce is final you file a new I-751 based on 2 waivers, one
marriage entered in good faith but ended through divorce, and subjected
to extreme mental cruelty, the emails/chats won't help you, it could be
illegal for you to have them if you invade her computer or something
there are laws that regulate that, now the letters from doctors in
regards to depression and anxiety are excellent proof for subjected to
mental cruelty waiver, however you should add a professional evaluation
by an expert in the field, such as a psychologist or a psychiatric...


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Justice wrote: This is the first time I'm writing in this group, I found it very informative so I decided to share my experienc: Timeline: - Moved to California February 2nd 2001 - Married to a US citizen on September 29th 2001 - Had my interview on July 8th 2002 - Received my conditional green card on July 15th 2002 Now it is the time to file the I-751, and here is my story: We love each other, we dated for 5 months and then we got married, we lived as a wife and husband for 2.5 years and we still live with each other, recentely I found that my wife is cheating on me, she doesn't know that I have the evidence, she got pregnant, and mostly it is my baby,

What do you mean "mostly it is my baby"?

she wants an abortion and abortion is against my beliefs, she even wants a separation and willing to move out after 3 months.

You won't be able to block the abortion or the separation.
We both are going to file the I-751 jointly next month and I have a lot of evidence that our marriage was based on good faith. Now I started to feel that I have to take action and I've read almost all posts in this group, and I'm not sure if I can file a battered spouse waiver in case the divorce happen while the I-751 is pending. I have the report that shows the blood test result is positive, I also have some emails, copy and paste from chatting rooms, reports from 2 doctors shows that I suffered stress, anxiety, and depression. Is that enough evidence to file as a battered spouse?

If cheating spouses were counted as mental abuse, the courts would be
full of these spouseal abuse cases.

Get the divorce and file I-751 with evidence of marriage.
Get professional help for the divorce and the immigration issues.

mtravelkay <a.a.a@aaa.aaa> wrote in message news:<1Ef5c.10233$y%5.2692@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>... Justice wrote: This is the first time I'm writing in this group, I found it very informative so I decided to share my experienc: Timeline: - Moved to California February 2nd 2001 - Married to a US citizen on September 29th 2001 - Had my interview on July 8th 2002 - Received my conditional green card on July 15th 2002 Now it is the time to file the I-751, and here is my story: We love each other, we dated for 5 months and then we got married, we lived as a wife and husband for 2.5 years and we still live with each other, recentely I found that my wife is cheating on me, she doesn't know that I have the evidence, she got pregnant, and mostly it is my baby, What do you mean "mostly it is my baby"?
I meant mostly I'm the father of the baby she wants an abortion and abortion is against my beliefs, she even wants a separation and willing to move out after 3 months. You won't be able to block the abortion or the separation. That's why I'm suffeing, legally she can kill my baby (or whatever you call it)without she even talk to me about it. We both are going to file the I-751 jointly next month and I have a lot of evidence that our marriage was based on good faith. Now I started to feel that I have to take action and I've read almost all posts in this group, and I'm not sure if I can file a battered spouse waiver in case the divorce happen while the I-751 is pending. I have the report that shows the blood test result is positive, I also have some emails, copy and paste from chatting rooms, reports from 2 doctors shows that I suffered stress, anxiety, and depression. Is that enough evidence to file as a battered spouse? If cheating spouses were counted as mental abuse, the courts would be full of these spouseal abuse cases. If I'm in a normal situation then the story would be totally different, at least I would file for a divorce tomorrow, but because of many thing one of them that I cannot go back to my country because of the political situation, then I have to think many times before I do something maybe I'll regret it in the future, I don't know if all that is not considered as mental abuse!
Get the divorce and file I-751 with evidence of marriage. Get professional help for the divorce and the immigration issues.

AGUILA <member18343@british_expats.com> wrote in message news:<1306116.1079312979@britishexpats.com>... Originally posted by Justice This is the first time I'm writing in this group, I found it very informative so I decided to share my experienc: Timeline: - Moved to California February 2nd 2001 - Married to a US citizen on September 29th 2001 - Had my interview on July 8th 2002 - Received my conditional green card on July 15th 2002 Now it is the time to file the I-751, and here is my story: We love each other, we dated for 5 months and then we got married, we lived as a wife and husband for 2.5 years and we still live with each other, recentely I found that my wife is cheating on me, she doesn't know that I have the evidence, she got pregnant, and mostly it is my baby, she wants an abortion and abortion is against my beliefs, she even wants a separation and willing to move out after 3 months. We both are going to file the I-751 jointly next month and I have a lot of evidence that our marriage was based on good faith. Now I started to feel that I have to take action and I've read almost all posts in this group, and I'm not sure if I can file a battered spouse waiver in case the divorce happen while the I-751 is pending. I have the report that shows the blood test result is positive, I also have some emails, copy and paste from chatting rooms, reports from 2 doctors shows that I suffered stress, anxiety, and depression. Is that enough evidence to file as a battered spouse? Thank you all Perhaps the best route you can take is file jointly, and then when divorce is final you file a new I-751 based on 2 waivers, one marriage entered in good faith but ended through divorce, and subjected to extreme mental cruelty, the emails/chats won't help you, it could be illegal for you to have them if you invade her computer or something there are laws that regulate that, now the letters from doctors in regards to depression and anxiety are excellent proof for subjected to mental cruelty waiver, however you should add a professional evaluation by an expert in the field, such as a psychologist or a psychiatric...

Aguila,
Thanks for your comments, I'll have an appointment with an Immigration
attorney next Thursday, so I'll see what options do I have.

I think you have a good point regarding the legal issues behind
invading my wife's email account, but there should be some other ways.

Up to this moment, I can say if we'll have an interview within 3-4
months then she will co-operate, the problem is the processing time
that might take up to one year..

Justice wrote:What do you mean "mostly it is my baby"? I meant mostly I'm the father of the baby

That was the question. How are you "mostly" the father?
Either you fully fathered the child or you didn't.

Justice wrote:
I have the report that shows the blood test result is positive, I also have some emails, copy and paste from chatting rooms, reports from 2 doctors shows that I suffered stress, anxiety, and depression. Is that enough evidence to file as a battered spouse?
Battered means that battery was committed against your person. From what
you've said so far I think you have a very weak case to claim abuse of
any kind. I'm not a big fan of the "mental abuse/cruelty" crowd.
Somebody saying bad words to you IMHO is not abuse - it's an idiot you
should not be listening to! Above you seem to wish to claim that abuse
is when your spouse cheats on you. No so. I admit that such a thing
sucks big time but it's not, by law, considered abuse nor anywhere close
to a "battered spouse".
If cheating spouses were counted as mental abuse, the courts would be full of these spouseal abuse cases. If I'm in a normal situation then the story would be totally different, at least I would file for a divorce tomorrow, but because of many thing one of them that I cannot go back to my country because of the political situation, then I have to think many times before I do something maybe I'll regret it in the future, I don't know if all that is not considered as mental abuse!
While you are an immigrant and there are additional considerations that
you should think about before acting, this does not change what spousal
abuse is or is not. If you have a political situation in your home
country and are afraid to return there then that's an asylum case not a
spousal abuse case. Seems to me like you're trying to use the spousal
abuse claim as a crutch in an attempt to stay here. If that it truly the
case then I hope your efforts fail because to me that's abusing the
system. (If you have true abuse then that's OK but you seem to be trying
to claim abuse where none is really present).

And, I'm not sure why you care to play the "abuse card" or the "asylum
card". Why not simply immigrate based on the merit of your current
status? I believe you should be able to self-petition so do so! Or are
there perhaps some other things in your situation that you are not
letting on to?


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Originally posted by Andrew DeFaria Justice wrote: I have the report that shows the blood test result is positive,
I> also have some emails, copy and paste from chatting
rooms, reports> from 2 doctors shows that I suffered
stress, anxiety, and> depression. Is that enough evidence
to file as a battered spouse? Battered means that battery was
committed against your person. From what you've said so far I think
you have a very weak case to claim abuse of any kind. I'm not a big
fan of the "mental abuse/cruelty" crowd. Somebody saying bad words to
you IMHO is not abuse - it's an idiot you should not be listening to!
Above you seem to wish to claim that abuse is when your spouse cheats
on you. No so. I admit that such a thing sucks big time but it's not,
by law, considered abuse nor anywhere close to a "battered spouse".
If cheating spouses were counted as mental abuse, the courts
would be full of these spouseal abuse cases. If I'm in a normal situation then the story would be totally
different, at least I would file for a divorce tomorrow,
but because of many thing one of them that I cannot go
back to my country because of the political situation,
then I have to think many times before I do something
maybe I'll regret it in the future, I don't know if all
that is not considered as mental abuse! While you are an
immigrant and there are additional considerations that you should
think about before acting, this does not change what spousal abuse is
or is not. If you have a political situation in your home country and
are afraid to return there then that's an asylum case not a spousal
abuse case. Seems to me like you're trying to use the spousal abuse
claim as a crutch in an attempt to stay here. If that it truly the
case then I hope your efforts fail because to me that's abusing the
system. (If you have true abuse then that's OK but you seem to be trying
to claim abuse where none is really present). And, I'm not sure
why you care to play the "abuse card" or the "asylum card". Why not
simply immigrate based on the merit of your current status? I believe
you should be able to self-petition so do so! Or are there perhaps
some other things in your situation that you are not letting on to?
-- Be nice to your kids. They'll choose your nursing home.


It astounds me how untrained people have the nerve to come
here to state to others for what they qualify or not without knowing the
full details of a case for your information Andrew, adultery is key
ingredient that causes another human beign mental pain, avoiding
effective communication is also mental cruelty, insulting/verbal abuse
constitutes mental cruelty... please do us a favor and do some research
as to what mental cruelty constitutes...


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AGUILA wrote:
It astounds me how untrained people have the nerve to come here to state to others for what they qualify or not without knowing the full details of a case for your information Andrew, adultery is key ingredient that causes another human beign mental pain, avoiding effective communication is also mental cruelty, insulting/verbal abuse constitutes mental cruelty... please do us a favor and do some research as to what mental cruelty constitutes...

It astounds me how untrained people assume that their definition of
cruelty matches the legal or immigration definition. You only indicated
adultery, not any of the other things you are now stating above. I don't
think adultery, by itself, meets the qualification.

AGUILA wrote:
Originally posted by Andrew DeFaria Justice wrote:> I have the report that shows the blood test result is positive, I>> also have some emails, copy and paste from chatting> rooms, reports>> from 2 doctors shows that I suffered> stress, anxiety, and>> depression. Is that enough evidence> to file as a battered spouse? Battered means that battery was committed against your person. From what you've said so far I think you have a very weak case to claim abuse of any kind. I'm not a big fan of the "mental abuse/cruelty" crowd. Somebody saying bad words to you IMHO is not abuse - it's an idiot you should not be listening to! Above you seem to wish to claim that abuse is when your spouse cheats on you. No so. I admit that such a thing sucks big time but it's not, by law, considered abuse nor anywhere close to a "battered spouse".> If cheating spouses were counted as mental abuse, the courts would be> full of these spouseal abuse cases. If I'm in a normal situation then the story would be totally> different, at least I would file for a divorce tomorrow, but because> of many thing one of them that I cannot go back to my country because> of the political situation, then I have to think many times before I> do something maybe I'll regret it in the future, I don't know if all that is not considered as mental abuse! While you are an immigrant and there are additional considerations that you should think about before acting, this does not change what spousal abuse is or is not. If you have a political situation in your home country and are afraid to return there then that's an asylum case not a spousal abuse case. Seems to me like you're trying to use the spousal abuse claim as a crutch in an attempt to stay here. If that it truly the case then I hope your efforts fail because to me that's abusing the system. (If you have true abuse then that's OK but you seem to be trying to claim abuse where none is really present). And, I'm not sure why you care to play the "abuse card" or the "asylum card". Why not simply immigrate based on the merit of your current status? I believe you should be able to self-petition so do so! Or are there perhaps some other things in your situation that you are not letting on to? -- Be nice to your kids. They'll choose your nursing home. It astounds me how untrained people have the nerve to come here to state to others for what they qualify or not without knowing the full details of a case for your information

Ever think that that's exactly why I explicated say "From what you said
so far". Please try to read more carefully next time!
Andrew, adultery is key ingredient that causes another human beign mental pain, avoiding effective communication is also mental cruelty, insulting/verbal abuse constitutes mental cruelty... please do us a favor and do some research as to what mental cruelty constitutes...

Which is way I said "I'm not a big fan of the 'mental abuse/cruelty'
crowd"! Again, pay attention. I also admitted that things like adulerty,
etc suck big time. However they do not constitute a battered spouse in
the eyes of the law or the INA and that's what's important here, so do
your own research first before firing off your mouth (and make sure to
actually read the words of the person you are about to come down on).

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Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote in message news:<6acba$4055fccb$c09cfc9$27571@msgid.meganewsservers .com>... Justice wrote:> I have the report that shows the blood test result is positive, I> also have some emails, copy and paste from chatting rooms, reports> from 2 doctors shows that I suffered stress, anxiety, and> depression. Is that enough evidence to file as a battered spouse? Battered means that battery was committed against your person. From what you've said so far I think you have a very weak case to claim abuse of any kind. I'm not a big fan of the "mental abuse/cruelty" crowd. Somebody saying bad words to you IMHO is not abuse - it's an idiot you should not be listening to! Above you seem to wish to claim that abuse is when your spouse cheats on you. No so. I admit that such a thing sucks big time but it's not, by law, considered abuse nor anywhere close to a "battered spouse". If cheating spouses were counted as mental abuse, the courts would be full of these spouseal abuse cases. If I'm in a normal situation then the story would be totally different, at least I would file for a divorce tomorrow, but because of many thing one of them that I cannot go back to my country because of the political situation, then I have to think many times before I do something maybe I'll regret it in the future, I don't know if all that is not considered as mental abuse! While you are an immigrant and there are additional considerations that you should think about before acting, this does not change what spousal abuse is or is not. If you have a political situation in your home country and are afraid to return there then that's an asylum case not a spousal abuse case. Seems to me like you're trying to use the spousal abuse claim as a crutch in an attempt to stay here. If that it truly the case then I hope your efforts fail because to me that's abusing the system. (If you have true abuse then that's OK but you seem to be trying to claim abuse where none is really present). And, I'm not sure why you care to play the "abuse card" or the "asylum card". Why not simply immigrate based on the merit of your current status? I believe you should be able to self-petition so do so! Or are there perhaps some other things in your situation that you are not letting on to?

Andrew,
Thank you for your response.

I'm not trying to play the asylum card, I'm just trying to know more
about the options that I have, I just don't know the law, and that's
why I'm here.

How amI trying to abuse the system while I have all legal documents
that shows that my marriage was entered in a good faith.

Yes I want to stay in this country, but I'm not trying to use the
spousal abuse claim as a way to stay here, I'm just telling facts
about my situation and asking if that is considered as a battered
spouse, especially when you search the web for the meaning of
"battered spouse" and all what I could find is information about
battered wives!

mtravelkay <a.a.a@aaa.aaa> wrote in message news:<mzm5c.24204$gR6.16832@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>... Justice wrote:What do you mean "mostly it is my baby"? I meant mostly I'm the father of the baby That was the question. How are you "mostly" the father? Either you fully fathered the child or you didn't.

Well, when I feel that my wife is cheating on me, them how can I be
%100 sure that I'm the father of the child!

Justice wrote: mtravelkay <a.a.a@aaa.aaa> wrote in message news:<mzm5c.24204$gR6.16832@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>...Justice wrote:>What do you mean "mostly it is my baby"?I meant mostly I'm the father of the babyThat was the question. How are you "mostly" the father?Either you fully fathered the child or you didn't. Well, when I feel that my wife is cheating on me, them how can I be %100 sure that I'm the father of the child!

Then how can you say "mostly"
You "feel" she is cheating? Early you said you knew and had evidence.

Originally posted by Justice Andrew, Thank you for
your response. I'm not trying to play the asylum card, I'm just
trying to know more about the options that I have, I just don't know the
law, and that's why I'm here. How amI trying to abuse the system
while I have all legal documents that shows that my marriage was entered
in a good faith. Yes I want to stay in this country, but I'm not
trying to use the spousal abuse claim as a way to stay here, I'm just
telling facts about my situation and asking if that is considered as a
battered spouse, especially when you search the web for the meaning of
"battered spouse" and all what I could find is information about
battered wives!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

bat·ter·y ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bt-r)
n. pl. bat·ter·ies


a. The act of beating or pounding.
b. (Law) The unlawful and
unwanted touching or striking of one person by another, with the
intention of bringing about a harmful or offensive contact.

battery


\Bat"ter*y\, n.; pl. Batteries. [F. batterie, fr. battre. See Batter,
v. t.] 1. The act of battering or beating.

2. (Law) The unlawful
beating of another. It includes every willful, angry and violent, or
negligent touching of another's person or clothes, or anything attached
to his person or held by him.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


To the OP:

Did she beat or pound you? If not, you probably weren't
battered. Mental abuse is very unpleasant but it is not a "battery".
Battery really does refer to a physical act.

Your original question
was.........

"Is that enough evidence to file as a battered spouse?"


Maybe you should be asking about "abuse" instead of "battery".


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Originally posted by Leslie66
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ bat·ter·y ( P )
Pronunciation Key (bt-r) n. pl. bat·ter·ies a. The act of
beating or pounding. b. (Law) The unlawful and unwanted touching or
striking of one person by another, with the intention of bringing about
a harmful or offensive contact. battery \Bat"ter*y\, n.; pl.
Batteries. [F. batterie, fr. battre. See Batter, v. t.] 1. The act of
battering or beating. 2. (Law) The unlawful beating of another. It
includes every willful, angry and violent, or negligent touching of
another's person or clothes, or anything attached to his person or held
by him. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To the OP:
Did she beat or pound you? If not, you probably weren't battered.
Mental abuse is very unpleasant but it is not a "battery". Battery
really does refer to a physical act. Your original question
was......... "Is that enough evidence to file as a battered
spouse?" Maybe you should be asking about "abuse" instead of
"battery".

Many people call that waiver the battered spouse
waiver, but in reality is the battery (physical abuse) or extreme mental
cruelty (mental abuse) waiver... In his case it would be extreme menta
cruelty, please note that mental abuse is much worse than battery since
physical abuse the abused person can recover quickly, however, mental
abuse might last even a lifetime, and its hard to heal.


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mtravelkay <a.a.a@aaa.aaa> wrote in message news:<EPy5c.10557$7z.7701@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>... Justice wrote: mtravelkay <a.a.a@aaa.aaa> wrote in message news:<mzm5c.24204$gR6.16832@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>...Justice wrote:>>What do you mean "mostly it is my baby"?>>I meant mostly I'm the father of the babyThat was the question. How are you "mostly" the father?Either you fully fathered the child or you didn't. Well, when I feel that my wife is cheating on me, them how can I be %100 sure that I'm the father of the child! Then how can you say "mostly" You "feel" she is cheating? Early you said you knew and had evidence.

Even if my wife cheats on me, I still can be the father of the child,
there are things that I cannot post.

Feel and have evidence(emails, chatting rooms)I didn't say I have seen
her cheating on me!

Originally posted by AGUILA Many people call that
waiver the battered spouse waiver, but in reality is the battery
(physical abuse) or extreme mental cruelty (mental abuse) waiver... In
his case it would be extreme menta cruelty,

Instead of
arguing with me, why don't you post a link to the verbage contained in
the waiver that you are claiming that the OP qualifies for?


Recapping what you've said in this thread.......
1) The OP suffered
from extreme mental cruelty.
2) The OP qualifies for the battered
spouse waiver.

While knowing relatively nothing about this particular
individual's situation, you are going way out on a limb here.
Basically, all we know is that his wife cheats on him and he is
completely stressed out by it. Why are you limiting his possibilities
when he may be much better served by another course of action?

please note that mental abuse is much worse than battery since
physical abuse the abused person can recover quickly, however, mental
abuse might last even a lifetime, and its hard to heal.
What exactly are you basing this short sighted remark on? How often is
a battered spouse NOT also the victim of mental abuse. How many spouses
that get physically battered don't also suffer from exteme mental
cruelty? Physical intimidation/abuse IS extreme mental cruelty. You
cannnot separate the two for the convenience of this argument. In the
context of marriage (and that is what we are discussing, so don't bring
up any battery outside of the spousal context), I can see how mental
abuse could occur without physical battery. I do not see any possible
way that physical battery could occur without mental cruelty.


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Justice wrote:
Andrew, Thank you for your response. I'm not trying to play the asylum card, I'm just trying to know more about the options that I have, I just don't know the law, and that's why I'm here.

Personally I feel you have a better case claiming asylum than abuse. You
said you had a real fear of returning (returning to where, BTW). If that
fear is well founded and justified then you possibly have an asylum
case. However you should seek counsel if you go this route.
How amI trying to abuse the system while I have all legal documents that shows that my marriage was entered in a good faith.

You appeared to be claiming you were a battered spouse yet really didn't
show any battering, IMHO. Then you stated that you wished to stay here.
I think it natural then to assume that you were trying to say (or ask)
if you could use that alleged "battering" as a basis to stay. Since
there appears to be little in the way of battering it appeared to me as
if you were trying to use the system to your advantage by claiming
something that wasn't quite true. To me this is abuse of the system.
There are real battered spouses out there who should be afforded this
special passage and people who were not really battered should not be
abusing it.
Yes I want to stay in this country, but I'm not trying to use the spousal abuse claim as a way to stay here,

Sure sounded like you were. If not then sorry.
I'm just telling facts about my situation and asking if that is considered as a battered spouse, especially when you search the web for the meaning of "battered spouse" and all what I could find is information about battered wives!

I understand what you mean. It's as if husbands cannot be abused yet we
all know that that is not true. Anyway, battered spouses, to me, are
those who are "put in the hospital" because their spouse hit them or
they have been extremely controlled (locked in the house, denied food,
forced to work and the wages confiscated), etc. Battered spouses are
*not* people who have simply been in arguments or who have been cheated
on. Granted, such behavior hurts too, no doubt. But your liberty was not
compromised, your person was not violated - your pride was simply hurt.

But again, assuming you have prove that your marriage was legitimate
(and I believe you said you did) then what stops you from simply self
petitioning?

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Justice wrote:
mtravelkay <a.a.a@aaa.aaa> wrote in message news:<mzm5c.24204$gR6.16832@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>... Justice wrote:> What do you mean "mostly it is my baby"? I meant mostly I'm the father of the baby That was the question. How are you "mostly" the father? Either you fully fathered the child or you didn't. Well, when I feel that my wife is cheating on me, them how can I be %100 sure that I'm the father of the child!

DNA
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there has never been anything before it. If it's an improvement, then
there must have been something before it.

Originally posted by Justice mtravelkay <a Even if
my wife cheats on me, I still can be the father of the child, there
are things that I cannot post. Feel and have evidence(emails,
chatting rooms)I didn't say I have seen her cheating on me!


You said............

"I have the report that shows the blood test
result is positive,"

If your wife is (still) pregnant then exactly what
blood test are you talking about? Did they do an in-vitro DNA paternity
test? They would have also had to have a sample of your DNA to perform
this type of testing. If it was just blood typing that does not prove
you are the father. It just means that you cannot be excluded as the
father at this time.

I'm not sure why any of this would be relevant in
either the "extreme mental cruelty" or the "asylum" scenario.
:confused:

If there are things you cannot post then you won't ever
really get accurate responses in this type of forum. Have you consulted
an attorney?


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AGUILA wrote:
Many people call that waiver the battered spouse waiver, but in reality is the battery (physical abuse) or extreme mental cruelty (mental abuse) waiver... In his case it would be extreme menta cruelty,

Please note the term "extreme" before mental cruelty. Also the term
"cruelty" would seem to imply meanness. I saw nothing extreme in his
claims. Being cheated on hurts. We all know this. However it is hardly
extreme (though the way the cheating occurred, etc, can make it more
unusual, cruel and perhaps extreme, none of that was relayed in his
brief story. He is welcome to elaborate if he wants), nor is it
necessarily cruel. Many people cheat as an escape from a bad
relationship without the real intent of hurting the other person, rather
the intent of helping oneself. I'm not saying the Justice's spouse
cheated to help herself but it is possible. Others cheat in an act of
revenge. This is also possible. However cheating, in an of itself, is
not extreme mental cruelty
please note that mental abuse is much worse than battery since physical abuse the abused person can recover quickly, however, mental abuse might last even a lifetime, and its hard to heal.

I disagree. If your spouse picks up a knife and hacks your hand off I
doubt it's gonna grow back! Other physical abuse is also not as
recoverable as you seem to lead on. And we all have different capacities
for recovering from and succoming to "mental abuse". Hell I know many
people who, as you say, remain messed up in their minds as a result of
simply a bad relationship where no real mental abuse has happened - they
just got dumped and take years to recover. Some continue to suffer the
rest of their lives with depression, low self-esteem, etc, continually
getting into relationships that are bad for them. How much are these
types of people mentally abused by their relationship choices and how
much of this mental abuse is really just the responsibility of the
person in the first place?

This is why the USCIS has rightfully included the term extreme before
mental cruelty and has strict requirement of evidence WRT an extreme
mental cruelty claim. There are messed up people out there already. You
get involved with one of them then find out the extent of their screwed
up minds and decide to dump them. They have not be extremely mentally
abused by you and should not have the right to claim so and to use this
to be granted the right to immigrate.

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Originally posted by Leslie66 Basically, all we know
is that his wife cheats on him and he is completely stressed out by it.
Why are you limiting his possibilities when he may be much better served
by another course of action?


Actually all we know is
that he THINKS she is cheating on him. He has no proof and he has said
that. All he has is e-mails and chatroom transcripts. That would not
be considered cheating and/or mental cruelty.

Personally, I think
Anguilla has an axe to grind with women and is hell bent on every person
who is filing for a divorce now that they are at the removal of
condition stage to claim abuse or cruelty so they can insure their
continued residency status.

Rete


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Even more worrying here ..is that it appears Andrew and Lesley are on
the same side of the arguement..


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Originally posted by Rete Not true at all in a court of
divorce law in New York State. Adultery is grounds for divorce. Mental
Cruelty is a grounds for divorce. They are not one in the same.
Personally I still don't think e-mails and chatroom transcripts prove
adultery. All it proves is that one of the spouses is missing something
in their lives and is looking for it outside of the relationship. Could
very well be that the wandering eye spouse can file for divorce on
grounds of mental cruelty caused to them by the other spouse who is
uncommunicative, unresponsive, withdrawn, uses passive submissive
behavior to get their way. You are hot on the lets find a way to
insure your residency. If you truly entered into a good faith marriage
you don't need a battered spouse waiver. What are you so afraid
of Anguila Rete

OK. So I'm not crazy after all.

I
have no problem with men claiming mental cruelty/abuse when that is
actually the case. In fact, my first post on this thread was for the OP
to look into mental abuse (as opposed to battery) to see if he had a
case. Aguila seems to think that anybody saying this guy's spousal
battery claim sounds kind of weak is a man-eater.


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Originally posted by ray6 Even more worrying here ..is
that it appears Andrew and Lesley are on the same side of the
arguement..

I agree with Andrew quite often in these spousal
abuse threads. He just disagrees with me when I say I will shoot any
man that hits me. I don't get it......... :confused:


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> I understand what you mean. It's as if husbands cannot be abused yet we all know that that is not true. Anyway, battered spouses, to me, are those who are "put in the hospital" because their spouse hit them or they have been extremely controlled (locked in the house, denied food, forced to work and the wages confiscated), etc. Battered spouses are *not* people who have simply been in arguments or who have been cheated on. Granted, such behavior hurts too, no doubt. But your liberty was not compromised, your person was not violated - your pride was simply hurt. But again, assuming you have prove that your marriage was legitimate (and I believe you said you did) then what stops you from simply self petitioning?

The thing that I don't understand is Andrew trying to say if I didn't
go to a hospital with one of my bones broken, then the law will not
going to consider my situation! what would you call it when somebody
spends 2 days living on coffee and cigarettes with no food! What would
you call it when somebody carries the blood test in his hand and has
no right to ask about the baby if she is going to keep it or kill it
as it is an invasion of her privacy, and is something belongs to her
and I'm not allowed to share it. And I'm simply hurt! What logic is
that? How can I go to work and have to do creative work while my mind
is full of all kind of questions that have no answers, sadness, doubt,
and anger!

Am I supposed to quit my job, go to live in the street, and throw
everything behind my back? Then the BCIS would understand that I'm
suffering all kind of mental cruelty!

And again for some people who keep bringing up the Asylum thing, I've
never brought that up, all what I said is in my situation I have to
suffer all this and stay in this country because I have no other
choice, Andrew in his 1st post made like it is illegal to say I want
to stay in this country.

Whatever you call it "Battered spouse" or "Mental Cruelty" this is my
situation, and I'm here to ask people who know more than me.

Thanks for everybody.

Originally posted by Justice Whatever you call it
"Battered spouse" or "Mental Cruelty" this is my situation, and I'm
here to ask people who know more than me.

Am I having a
total brain fade here? Can't you divorce now and self-petition based on
a bonafide marriage? Why go the Abused/Battered route?


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Leslie66 <member14032@british_expats.com> wrote in message You said............ "I have the report that shows the blood test result is positive," If your wife is (still) pregnant then exactly what blood test are you talking about? Did they do an in-vitro DNA paternity test? They would have also had to have a sample of your DNA to perform this type of testing. If it was just blood typing that does not prove you are the father. It just means that you cannot be excluded as the father at this time.

I have said this many times now, how can I get a DNA test while she is
not allowing me to share her decision to keep the baby or to have an
abortion?
I'm not sure why any of this would be relevant in either the "extreme mental cruelty" or the "asylum" scenario. :confused:

There is no confusion, it's just somebody used his/her imagination, I
didn't bring up anything about asylum, and I know that asylum is
something totally different, and if I wanted to go that route I could
have done that long time ago. Please read post #19
If there are things you cannot post then you won't ever really get accurate responses in this type of forum. Have you consulted an attorney?

Things that I cannot post are very private and not really nice to be
posted here. I'm going to see an attorney tomorrow.

meauxna <member1851@british_expats.com> wrote in message news:<1310743.1079496515@britishexpats.com>... Originally posted by Justice Whatever you call it "Battered spouse" or "Mental Cruelty" this is my situation, and I'm here to ask people who know more than me. Am I having a total brain fade here? Can't you divorce now and self-petition based on a bonafide marriage? Why go the Abused/Battered route?

No you're not, I need to know my options, before I take action.

Rete wrote: As for her pregnancy, many would say that it is her body and her choice. And there are states that will back that up.

The Supreme Court backed this one up in Roe vs Wade.
If it were up to the states, she could simply go to another state.

Justice wrote:
Things that I cannot post are very private and not really nice to be posted here. I'm going to see an attorney tomorrow.

Isn't the whole adultery issue private?
Her being pregnant and wanting an abortion is not really an immigration
issue.

Justice wrote: meauxna <member1851@british_expats.com> wrote in message news:<1310743.1079496515@britishexpats.com>...Originally posted by Justice Whatever you call it"Battered spouse" or "Mental Cruelty" this is mysituation, and I'm here to ask people who know more than me.Am I having atotal brain fade here? Can't you divorce now and self-petition based ona bonafide marriage? Why go the Abused/Battered route? No you're not, I need to know my options, before I take action.

If you really married legitimately, then there should be no issue with
filing I-751 on your own after the divorce.

Justice wrote:
I understand what you mean. It's as if husbands cannot be abused yet we all know that that is not true. Anyway, battered spouses, to me, are those who are "put in the hospital" because their spouse hit them or they have been extremely controlled (locked in the house, denied food, forced to work and the wages confiscated), etc. Battered spouses are *not* people who have simply been in arguments or who have been cheated on. Granted, such behavior hurts too, no doubt. But your liberty was not compromised, your person was not violated - your pride was simply hurt. But again, assuming you have prove that your marriage was legitimate (and I believe you said you did) then what stops you from simply self petitioning? The thing that I don't understand is Andrew trying to say if I didn't go to a hospital with one of my bones broken, then the law will not going to consider my situation!

No I'm sure they will consider it. What I'm saying is that they may not
deem it extreme mental cruelty.
what would you call it when somebody spends 2 days living on coffee and cigarettes with no food!

A crappy two days! :-)

Not sure what you mean here. Did she somehow prevent you from obtaining
food? Did she only allow you coffee? What stopped you from going to the
fridge and getting some food? Etc.
What would you call it when somebody carries the blood test in his hand and has no right to ask about the baby if she is going to keep it or kill it as it is an invasion of her privacy, and is something belongs to her and I'm not allowed to share it.

I call it sucky. Personally I find the medical privacy stuff that seems
to be getting more and more exclusive, a step in the wrong direction,
especially in cases such as these where it is quite possible that the
baby is yours and therefore you should have some say so. What does the
law say about this? What does your attorney say about this? And finally,
if the law allows the mother such privacy rights then can it be claimed
to be abuse?
And I'm simply hurt!

No doubt. I would be too.
What logic is that?

I guess the logic is that as of yet the baby is indeed hers and not
necessarily yours (until proven). That said, if the baby is not yours
then why do you think you have rights WRT the baby? (Hey I'm guessing here).
How can I go to work and have to do creative work while my mind is full of all kind of questions that have no answers, sadness, doubt, and anger!

Hey dude, lots of people go through lots of questioning, sadness, doubt
and anger WRT their family situations. You've got a situation where you
have trouble in your marriage. Such a situation is not necessarily
abuse, just a bad situation.
Am I supposed to quit my job, go to live in the street, and throw everything behind my back?

That's up to you. I don't see why you would choose that course of action.
Then the BCIS would understand that I'm suffering all kind of mental cruelty!

Self inflicted if you chose (with emphasis on the work chose) to follow
that course of action. Hey a long time ago I was in a similar situation
- not a cheating but a siltation regarding babies and girlfriends at the
time. Needless to say I was also conflicted, distracted, confused, sad,
angry, etc. I went to work. I probably didn't perform well. I didn't
quit my job, etc. You are supposed to handle such situations, albeit
difficult sitatuions. Just because your in a difficult situation does
not necessarily mean that your spouse is purposefully attempting to
inflict mental cruelty on you nor does it mean that it is extreme. It's
tough, due to the situation at hand. You may feel that she is doing this
on purpose with meanness and vengeous but so far you have yet to show
that this is the case. Her actions can be easily explained as her
likewise feeling she's in a bad situation and as a result she had turned
to another for emotional support and perhaps even gotten too involved
with that other person. That's not the mark of somebody who is "out to
get you" as it were.
And again for some people who keep bringing up the Asylum thing, I've never brought that up, all what I said is in my situation I have to suffer all this and stay in this country because I have no other choice,

And why is that? Why do you have no other choice? Why can't you go back
home? Or is it really that you don't want to go back home (nothing
necessarily wrong with that but you speak as if it is impossible yet
fail to tell us why).
Andrew in his 1st post made like it is illegal to say I want to stay in this country.

I didn't say at all that it was illegal to want to stay in this country.
It is, however, illegal to abuse the system, to trick it so that you are
granted the right to stay when you should not really be granted the
right to stay.

Additionally, and you have been asked several times now, why can't you
simply self-petition? Failing to address that simple question makes your
responses in general questionable because it gives about the appearance
that you are hiding something.
Whatever you call it "Battered spouse" or "Mental Cruelty" this is my situation, and I'm here to ask people who know more than me.

IMHO you have neither. You are just a jilted husband who is hurt and is
trying to classify that hurt into "mental cruelty" so you can gain an
immigration benefit.

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Originally posted by Andrew DeFaria Justice wrote:
arguments or who have been cheated on. Granted, such
behavior hurts too, no doubt. But your liberty was not
compromised, your person was not violated - your pride
was simply hurt. But again, assuming you have prove that
your marriage was legitimate (and I believe you said you
did) then what stops you from simply self
petitioning? The thing that I don't understand is Andrew
trying to say if I didn't go to a hospital with one of my
bones broken, then the law will not going to consider my
situation! No I'm sure they will consider it. What I'm saying
is that they may not deem it extreme mental cruelty. what
would you call it when somebody spends 2 days living on coffee and cigarettes with no food! A crappy two days! :-)
Not sure what you mean here. Did she somehow prevent you from
obtaining food? Did she only allow you coffee? What stopped you from
going to the fridge and getting some food? Etc. What would
you call it when somebody carries the blood test in his
hand and has no right to ask about the baby if she is going to keep it
or kill it as it is an invasion of her privacy, and is
something belongs to her and I'm not allowed to share it.
I call it sucky. Personally I find the medical privacy stuff
that seems to be getting more and more exclusive, a step in the wrong
direction, especially in cases such as these where it is quite
possible that the baby is yours and therefore you should have some
say so. What does the law say about this? What does your attorney say
about this? And finally, if the law allows the mother such privacy
rights then can it be claimed to be abuse? And I'm simply
hurt! No doubt. I would be too. What logic is
that? I guess the logic is that as of yet the baby is indeed
hers and not necessarily yours (until proven). That said, if the baby
is not yours then why do you think you have rights WRT the baby? (Hey
I'm guessing here). How can I go to work and have to do
creative work while my mind is full of all kind of
questions that have no answers, sadness, doubt, and
anger! Hey dude, lots of people go through lots of
questioning, sadness, doubt and anger WRT their family situations.
You've got a situation where you have trouble in your marriage. Such
a situation is not necessarily abuse, just a bad situation. Am I supposed to quit my job, go to live in the street, and throw
everything behind my back? That's up to you. I
don't see why you would choose that course of action. Then
the BCIS would understand that I'm suffering all kind of mental cruelty! Self inflicted if you chose (with emphasis on
the work chose) to follow that course of action. Hey a long time ago
I was in a similar situation - not a cheating but a siltation
regarding babies and girlfriends at the time. Needless to say I was
also conflicted, distracted, confused, sad, angry, etc. I went to
work. I probably didn't perform well. I didn't quit my job, etc. You
are supposed to handle such situations, albeit difficult sitatuions.
Just because your in a difficult situation does not necessarily mean
that your spouse is purposefully attempting to inflict mental cruelty
on you nor does it mean that it is extreme. It's tough, due to the
situation at hand. You may feel that she is doing this on purpose
with meanness and vengeous but so far you have yet to show that this
is the case. Her actions can be easily explained as her likewise
feeling she's in a bad situation and as a result she had turned to
another for emotional support and perhaps even gotten too involved
with that other person. That's not the mark of somebody who is "out to
get you" as it were. And again for some people who keep
bringing up the Asylum thing, I've never brought that up,
all what I said is in my situation I have to suffer all
this and stay in this country because I have no other choice,
And why is that? Why do you have no other choice? Why can't you go back
home? Or is it really that you don't want to go back home (nothing
necessarily wrong with that but you speak as if it is impossible yet
fail to tell us why). Andrew in his 1st post made like it is
illegal to say I want to stay in this country. I
didn't say at all that it was illegal to want to stay in this country.
It is, however, illegal to abuse the system, to trick it so that you
are granted the right to stay when you should not really be granted
the right to stay. Additionally, and you have been asked several
times now, why can't you simply self-petition? Failing to address
that simple question makes your responses in general questionable
because it gives about the appearance that you are hiding something.
Whatever you call it "Battered spouse" or "Mental Cruelty"
this is my situation, and I'm here to ask people who know
more than me. IMHO you have neither. You are just a jilted
husband who is hurt and is trying to classify that hurt into "mental
cruelty" so you can gain an immigration benefit. -- I
understand what you mean. It's as if husbands cannot be abused yet
we all know that that is not true. Anyway, battered spouses,
to me, are those who are "put in the hospital" because
their spouse hit them or they have been extremely
controlled (locked in the house, denied food, forced to
work and the wages confiscated), etc. Battered spouses
are *not* people who have simply been in "Criminal Lawyer" is a
redundancy.

Andrew:

I have a question for you, what does
qualify for extreme mental cruelty, because you seem to be an expert in
the field to determin what is not, so I would like to know from an
expert like you what constitutes extreme mental cruelty.

Secondly,
Justice cannot self-petition (I-360) because he is already a CPR, self-
petitioning is available to aliens that have no status at all.

Perhaps
Justice has already establish his life in the US, has a job, friends,
and probably would be an extreme hardship to return to his home country.
I many times wonder why are you around this board, so far, I have only
seen you criticizing people and telling them for what they do not
qualify etc, the worst is that you write here as if you were some sort
of Immigration authority or even worse some sort of
psychological/psychiatric authority...

"You are just a jilted husband
who is hurt and is
trying to classify that hurt into "mental cruelty"
so you can gain an
immigration benefit."

It is unbelievable who can
you judge someone that you don't even know, applying your retarded
thinking style I can conclude that you are very frustrated person to
whom probably his wife/girlfriend has cheated on, have no friends, and
is more miserable than Saddam Hussein.


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Originally posted by Justice Leslie66
<member14032@british_expats.com> wrote in message You
said............ "I have the report that
shows the blood test result is positive,"
If your wife is (still) pregnant then exactly what blood test are you talking about? Did they do an in-vitro DNA
paternity test? They would have also had to have a sample
of your DNA to perform this type of testing. If it was
just blood typing that does not prove you are the father.
It just means that you cannot be excluded as the father at
this time. I have said this many times now, how can I get a
DNA test while she is not allowing me to share her decision to keep
the baby or to have an abortion?

I don't care how many times
you've said it, that's not what I asked you. YOU are the one that
brought up test results and carrying around vials of blood. I was just
curious what sort of test was performed. You still haven't answered my
question (and please don't bother, I am beyond the point of caring).
I'm not sure why any of this would be relevant in either the "extreme mental cruelty" or the "asylum" scenario.
:confused: There is no confusion, it's just somebody
used his/her imagination,

WTF?
I didn't bring up
anything about asylum, and I know that asylum is something totally
different, and if I wanted to go that route I could have done that
long time ago. Please read post #19

Post # 19? I don't know
what your post #19 says. All mine says is "DNA".

If you "wanted to got
that route"? So you are just looking for a route you "want to go" as
opposed to the one that is true and appropriate to your situation? Okey
dokey!! IOW you have a perfectly good case for asylum but you would
prefer to fish around for a trumped up mental abuse/battery case?
Sounds like a good plan to me!!
If there are things you
cannot post then you won't ever really get accurate
responses in this type of forum. Have you consulted an
attorney? Things that I cannot post are very private and not
really nice to be posted here.

That's a little disingenuous
considering the fact that you've already exposed us to details about
abortion and adultery.

I'm going to see an attorney
tomorrow. Good luck.


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why dont you mind your own business?


"Leslie66" <member14032@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:1314650.1079642029@britishexpats.com... Originally posted by Justice Leslie66 <member14032@british_expats.com> wrote in message You said............ "I have the report that shows the blood test result is positive," If your wife is (still) pregnant then exactly what blood test are you talking about? Did they do an in-vitro DNA paternity test? They would have also had to have a sample of your DNA to perform this type of testing. If it was just blood typing that does not prove you are the father. It just means that you cannot be excluded as the father at this time. I have said this many times now, how can I get a DNA test while she is not allowing me to share her decision to keep the baby or to have an abortion? I don't care how many times you've said it, that's not what I asked you. YOU are the one that brought up test results and carrying around vials of blood. I was just curious what sort of test was performed. You still haven't answered my question (and please don't bother, I am beyond the point of caring). I'm not sure why any of this would be relevant in either the "extreme mental cruelty" or the "asylum" scenario. :confused: There is no confusion, it's just somebody used his/her imagination, WTF? I didn't bring up anything about asylum, and I know that asylum is something totally different, and if I wanted to go that route I could have done that long time ago. Please read post #19 Post # 19? I don't know what your post #19 says. All mine says is "DNA". If you "wanted to got that route"? So you are just looking for a route you "want to go" as opposed to the one that is true and appropriate to your situation? Okey dokey!! IOW you have a perfectly good case for asylum but you would prefer to fish around for a trumped up mental abuse/battery case? Sounds like a good plan to me!! If there are things you cannot post then you won't ever really get accurate responses in this type of forum. Have you consulted an attorney? Things that I cannot post are very private and not really nice to be posted here. That's a little disingenuous considering the fact that you've already exposed us to details about abortion and adultery. I'm going to see an attorney tomorrow. Good luck. -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com

biscuits and gravy wrote:
why dont you mind your own business?

Huh?!? What are you talking about? People come here to this *public*
place and tell their story and ask questions. As such it's *private
*business! They have already made it public. Other people here comment
and offer opinions. That's how this news group works. So before spouting
off your attempt at censorship perhaps you should first learn about the
forum you are participating in!
"Leslie66" <member14032@british_expats.com> wrote in message news:1314650.1079642029@britishexpats.com... Originally posted by Justice Leslie66 <member14032@british_expats.com> wrote in message> You said............> "I have the report that shows the blood test> result is positive,">> If your wife is (still) pregnant then exactly what blood test are you talking about? Did they do an in-vitro DNA paternity> test? They would have also had to have a sample of your DNA to perform> this type of testing. If it was just blood typing that does not prove> you are the father. It just means that you cannot be excluded as the> father at this time. I have said this many times now, how can I get a DNA test while she is not allowing me to share her decision to keep the baby or to have an abortion? I don't care how many times you've said it, that's not what I asked you. YOU are the one that brought up test results and carrying around vials of blood. I was just curious what sort of test was performed. You still haven't answered my question (and please don't bother, I am beyond the point of caring). I'm not sure why any of this would be relevant in either the "extreme mental cruelty" or the "asylum" scenario.> :confused: There is no confusion, it's just somebody used his/her imagination, WTF? I didn't bring up anything about asylum, and I know that asylum is something totally different, and if I wanted to go that route I could have done that long time ago. Please read post #19 Post # 19? I don't know what your post #19 says. All mine says is "DNA". If you "wanted to got that route"? So you are just looking for a route you "want to go" as opposed to the one that is true and appropriate to your situation? Okey dokey!! IOW you have a perfectly good case for asylum but you would prefer to fish around for a trumped up mental abuse/battery case? Sounds like a good plan to me!!> If there are things you cannot post then you won't ever> really get accurate responses in this type of forum. Have you consulted> an attorney? Things that I cannot post are very private and not really nice to be posted here. That's a little disingenuous considering the fact that you've already exposed us to details about abortion and adultery. I'm going to see an attorney tomorrow. Good luck. -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com

All of you are a bunch of f.ulking philosephers. Just help the man.


This is a very simple story. He married a woman. She did him wrong. He
wants to leave. He wants to use this situation to his advantage.

It
doesn't matter if he is right or wrong; He asked you, his wife didn't
ask. Just answer him, how to take an advantage of this situation




Originally posted by Leslie66 I don't care how many
times you've said it, that's not what I asked you. YOU are the one that
brought up test results and carrying around vials of blood. I was just
curious what sort of test was performed. You still haven't answered my
question (and please don't bother, I am beyond the point of caring).
WTF? Post # 19? I don't know what your post #19
says. All mine says is "DNA". If you "wanted to got that route"?
So you are just looking for a route you "want to go" as opposed to the
one that is true and appropriate to your situation? Okey dokey!! IOW
you have a perfectly good case for asylum but you would prefer to fish
around for a trumped up mental abuse/battery case? Sounds like a good
plan to me!! That's a little disingenuous considering the
fact that you've already exposed us to details about abortion and
adultery.
Good luck.


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Originally posted by Yuriy All of you are a bunch of
f.ulking philosephers. Just help the man. This is a very simple
story. He married a woman. She did him wrong. He wants to leave. He
wants to use this situation to his advantage. It doesn't matter if
he is right or wrong; He asked you, his wife didn't ask. Just answer
him, how to take an advantage of this situation

Piss off.


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Originally posted by Yuriy All of you are a bunch of
f.ulking philosephers. Just help the man. This is a very simple
story. He married a woman. She did him wrong. He wants to leave. He
wants to use this situation to his advantage. It doesn't matter if
he is right or wrong; He asked you, his wife didn't ask. Just answer
him, how to take an advantage of this situation

Very rude.


Why don't you just answer him? Because his questions (much like YOURS
in YOUR stupid thread) were answered in the very first response(s).


SOME people just seem to think it is amusing to:

1. Ask a loaded
question.
2. Argue with everybody that doesn't tell them exactly what
they want to hear.
3. Keep it up until they get flamed.
4. Complain
because they were treated badly.
5. Start the whole process over again
under a different user name.


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Originally posted by Leslie66 Very rude. Why don't
you just answer him? Because his questions (much like YOURS in YOUR
stupid thread) were answered in the very first response(s). SOME
people just seem to think it is amusing to: 1. Ask a loaded
question. 2. Argue with everybody that doesn't tell them exactly
what they want to hear. 3. Keep it up until they get flamed. 4.
Complain because they were treated badly. 5. Start the whole process
over again under a different user name.

Because you people
don't give real answers. All the answers that you provide are the
reference to some documents. Well, you know what, everybody can read.
Some people need a creative answer, that doesn't go by the book and that
might work for them.

People have different stories. They might provide
an interesting advice or an input. That's why loaded questions are
asked. So that people like you would not ask every little detail, just
to give an answer that everybody knows.


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Originally posted by Yuriy Because you people don't
give real answers. All the answers that you provide are the reference to
some documents. Well, you know what, everybody can read. Some people
need a creative answer, that doesn't go by the book and that might work
for them. People have different stories. They might provide an
interesting advice or an input. That's why loaded questions are asked.
So that people like you would not ask every little detail, just to give
an answer that everybody knows.

That's the biggest load of
crap I've ever heard.


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Originally posted by Leslie66 Very rude. Why don't
you just answer him? Because his questions (much like YOURS in YOUR
stupid thread) were answered in the very first response(s). SOME
people just seem to think it is amusing to: 1. Ask a loaded
question. 2. Argue with everybody that doesn't tell them exactly
what they want to hear. 3. Keep it up until they get flamed. 4.
Complain because they were treated badly. 5. Start the whole process
over again under a different user name.


YOU GO
GIRL!!!
:D:D:D


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Your world is very shallow. How did you ever get married to a guy in
Morrocco. That is not that common to bring somebody to US on Visa
Fiancee. That must have been biggest risk that you ever took in your
life. I am curriues how did it happen?

Originally posted by
Leslie66
That's the biggest load of crap I've ever heard.


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Originally posted by Yuriy Your world is very
shallow. How did you ever get married to a guy in Morrocco. That is
not that common to bring somebody to US on Visa Fiancee. That must
have been biggest risk that you ever took in your life. I am curriues
how did it happen?

Jesus loves you...but everyone else
thinks you are an ***.


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Originally posted by Yuriy Your world is very shallow.
How did you ever get married to a guy in Morrocco. That is not that
common to bring somebody to US on Visa Fiancee. That must have been
biggest risk that you ever took in your life. I am curriues how did it
happen?


Yurij:

Your question was already answered, would
you drop it?, You are annoying!!!


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I'd love to chat about who is the ***, but the thread originaltor
doesn't care about us fighting, he needs answers. Not your rightious
thoughts.

I have to leave work in 2 minutes. So I will read these
messages tomorrow. While u Fat cow, stay home and waste everybody's time
in this chat room.


Originally posted by Leslie66
Jesus
loves you...but everyone else thinks you are an ***.


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Originally posted by Leslie66 It's ok Hyper. He's a
trollllllllllllllll............. He's not going to work either,
he's just afraid his wife is going to catch him on the internet.



LMAO!!!
I love you girlie!!
:)


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Yuriy wrote:
All of you are a bunch of f.ulking philosephers. Just help the man.

Help the man what? Break the law? Sorry, not gonna do it. Sounds to me
like we are attempting to help him but the answers we propose just
doesn't fit what he (or you apparently) wants to hear. That doesn't mean
it's not what needs to be done.
This is a very simple story. He married a woman. She did him wrong. He wants to leave. He wants to use this situation to his advantage. It doesn't matter if he is right or wrong;

Ah contra ire! Consider if he was asking for help to murder somebody.
Doesn't matter if it is right or wrong? Just help him? I think not.
He asked you, his wife didn't ask. Just answer him, how to take an advantage of this situation

Not at my detriment!

Yuriy wrote:
Because you people don't give real answers. All the answers that you provide are the reference to some documents. Well, you know what, everybody can read.

Sorry you don't seem to appreciate our answers. Might I suggest your
file a complaint and attempt to get your money back? :-)

(Here's a clue - it's free advice - take it or leave it).
Some people need a creative answer, that doesn't go by the book and that might work for them.

The problem is that we are dealing with issues of law here, which, by
their very nature, "go by the book". Seems to me any logical person
would know that is disadvantegous to give an answer that doesn't go by
the book to a problem who industry goes by the book!
People have different stories. They might provide an interesting advice or an input. That's why loaded questions are asked.

No loaded questions are asked for purposes other than getting a direct
answer.
So that people like you would not ask every little detail, just to give an answer that everybody knows.

Huh?

Yuriy wrote:
Because you people don't give real answers. All the answers that you provide are the reference to some documents. Well, you know what, everybody can read. Some people need a creative answer, that doesn't go by the book and that might work for them.

If not going by the book is illegal, and we want to do things the legal
way, why can't we chastise you for not doing it the legal way? Don't our
opinions count?