Hi. My name is Robin and I need someone to talk to about my marriage.
I am considering leaving my husband of 17 years. For the past 2 years or
so, I have not been happy at all. I will try to explain as best I can,
however I am not very good with words. Please excuse the language in some
areas, I have bleeped out most of it...
About 10 years ago he cheated on me. He has yet to admit it, but we all
know it's true. He "suddenly" decided he did not love me anymore. He left
me and Steven(our son, who was 5 at the time) on top of a mountain with no
food or money or phone and no way to go anywhere. He was too busy with his
new bit** to even take me to the grocery store. I am not exaggerating here.
He actually came to pick me up to take me to the store one time and half way
there I said if you don't want to do this then don't...he did a U turn in
the middle of the street and was taking me back home so fast my head was
spinning!! I remember one time standing on the side of the road with him and
crying and begging him to at least tell me why and he had sunglasses on, I
guess to hide is guilty face, and I reached up to move them so he could
LOOK ME IN THE EYES and he jerked away and said "Don't you f***in' touch
me!" in a tone like he was chatting about the weather.
So anyway, now that I sit here thinking of leaving, I can't help but go
back to that day and the casual way he dumped us and wonder why it's so
hard for me to leave.
The problems in our marriage are for one, the cheating. He has not done it
again (that I know of) but he never admitted that he was. That has always
hurt me. And the fact that he has a twin brother that is here ALL THE TIME.
For the past 3 years, this man has come over here every single day. Spent
the whole entire day here watching TV and (btw, they both "dip" snuff)
making awful spitting and hocking noises. Hes disgusting! He doesn't lift
the seat when he pees, and then pees all over the damn floor in the
bathroom. I have said something to my husband about this and he keeps
blowing me off. I guess his brother is more important in his life. There
is more to the story, but this post is already too long :)
I have already talked to my brother, who lives in Va, and he said I could
come stay with him. Now this would be about 900 miles away, as I live in TN
right now.
If anyone out there can help, or maybe just someone to talk to, please
reply.....as I am at my wit's end! LOL!
Thanks,
Robin

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:25:51 GMT, Robin wrote:
If anyone out there can help, or maybe just someone to talk to, please reply.....as I am at my wit's end! LOL!

Hello Robin.

Interesting that you've shown up here, with 'more' information to your
story, after not liking the replies you got in ASD. Wondering why you
haven't clarified your situation with the details you've posted here, over
there after you were asked for clarification.

So, what's up with that?

--
Cal~

Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

"*Calinda*" <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95D8760D9C32C19599491@130.133.1.4... On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:25:51 GMT, Robin wrote: If anyone out there can help, or maybe just someone to talk to, please reply.....as I am at my wit's end! LOL! Hello Robin. Interesting that you've shown up here, with 'more' information to your story, after not liking the replies you got in ASD. Wondering why you haven't clarified your situation with the details you've posted here, over there after you were asked for clarification. So, what's up with that?

I get the feeling we get trolled every now again with a new "trailer park
woman" story.

Robin <me5@privacy.net> wrote:
He actually came to pick me up to take me to the store one time and half way there I said if you don't want to do this then don't...he did a U turn in the middle of the street and was taking me back home so fast my head was spinning!!

That's an interesting tidbit.

In article <faKdnWI4hqLpOkfcRVn-hA@comcast.com>, "Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote:Hi. My name is Robin and I need someone to talk to about my marriage.I am considering leaving my husband of 17 years. For the past 2 years orso, I have not been happy at all. I will try to explain as best I can,however I am not very good with words. Please excuse the language in someareas, I have bleeped out most of it...About 10 years ago he cheated on me. He has yet to admit it, but we allknow it's true. He "suddenly" decided he did not love me anymore. He leftme and Steven(our son, who was 5 at the time) on top of a mountain with nofood or money or phone and no way to go anywhere. He was too busy with hisnew bit** to even take me to the grocery store. I am not exaggerating here.He actually came to pick me up to take me to the store one time and half waythere I said if you don't want to do this then don't...he did a U turn inthe middle of the street and was taking me back home so fast my head wasspinning!! I remember one time standing on the side of the road with him andcrying and begging him to at least tell me why and he had sunglasses on, Iguess to hide is guilty face, and I reached up to move them so he couldLOOK ME IN THE EYES and he jerked away and said "Don't you f***in' touchme!" in a tone like he was chatting about the weather.So anyway, now that I sit here thinking of leaving, I can't help but goback to that day and the casual way he dumped us and wonder why it's sohard for me to leave.The problems in our marriage are for one, the cheating. He has not done itagain (that I know of) but he never admitted that he was. That has alwayshurt me. And the fact that he has a twin brother that is here ALL THE TIME.For the past 3 years, this man has come over here every single day. Spentthe whole entire day here watching TV and (btw, they both "dip" snuff)making awful spitting and hocking noises. Hes disgusting! He doesn't liftthe seat when he pees, and then pees all over the damn floor in thebathroom. I have said something to my husband about this and he keepsblowing me off. I guess his brother is more important in his life. Thereis more to the story, but this post is already too long :)I have already talked to my brother, who lives in Va, and he said I couldcome stay with him. Now this would be about 900 miles away, as I live in TNright now.

Will your son be going with you?

"*Calinda*" <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95D8760D9C32C19599491@130.133.1.4... On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:25:51 GMT, Robin wrote: If anyone out there can help, or maybe just someone to talk to, please reply.....as I am at my wit's end! LOL! Hello Robin. Interesting that you've shown up here, with 'more' information to your story, after not liking the replies you got in ASD. Wondering why you haven't clarified your situation with the details you've posted here, over there after you were asked for clarification. So, what's up with that?
Nah, not that I didn't like the replies, just the attitudes. Everyone
jumped on me without even asking any questions. I didn't feel the need or
that anyone would have listened had I tried to clarify my situation.
Thanks for following me and asking tho.
Hugs,
Robin

"JWB" <jwb3333__removeme__@excite.com> wrote in message
news:3401viF44nkrmU1@individual.net... "*Calinda*" <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote in message news:Xns95D8760D9C32C19599491@130.133.1.4... On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:25:51 GMT, Robin wrote: If anyone out there can help, or maybe just someone to talk to, please reply.....as I am at my wit's end! LOL! Hello Robin. Interesting that you've shown up here, with 'more' information to your story, after not liking the replies you got in ASD. Wondering why you haven't clarified your situation with the details you've posted here, over there after you were asked for clarification. So, what's up with that? I get the feeling we get trolled every now again with a new "trailer park woman" story.
S'cuse me? See, that's what I was talking about. Everyone just loves to
jump the band wagon and not even ask the whole story. Thanks for confirming
that for me.
And, BTW..I am not a troll. I am an actual woman with a real problem and I
thought I was speaking (typing) to a few people that were in the same spot I
was in and maybe could offer some advice.
Hugs,
Robin

"Emma Anne" <emma_anne@mac.com> wrote in message
news:1gpv2vv.18dn1ryxd0btsN%emma_anne@mac.com... Robin <me5@privacy.net> wrote: He actually came to pick me up to take me to the store one time and half way there I said if you don't want to do this then don't...he did a U turn in the middle of the street and was taking me back home so fast my head was spinning!! That's an interesting tidbit.
What do you mean?

"mL" <inky56@hellokitty.com> wrote in message
news:0dBCd.9307$232.2992@fed1read05... In article <faKdnWI4hqLpOkfcRVn-hA@comcast.com>, "Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote:Hi. My name is Robin and I need someone to talk to about my marriage.I am considering leaving my husband of 17 years. For the past 2 years orso, I have not been happy at all. I will try to explain as best I can,however I am not very good with words. Please excuse the language in someareas, I have bleeped out most of it...About 10 years ago he cheated on me. He has yet to admit it, but we allknow it's true. He "suddenly" decided he did not love me anymore. Heleftme and Steven(our son, who was 5 at the time) on top of a mountain withnofood or money or phone and no way to go anywhere. He was too busy with hisnew bit** to even take me to the grocery store. I am not exaggeratinghere.He actually came to pick me up to take me to the store one time and halfwaythere I said if you don't want to do this then don't...he did a U turn inthe middle of the street and was taking me back home so fast my head wasspinning!! I remember one time standing on the side of the road with himandcrying and begging him to at least tell me why and he had sunglasses on, Iguess to hide is guilty face, and I reached up to move them so he couldLOOK ME IN THE EYES and he jerked away and said "Don't you f***in' touchme!" in a tone like he was chatting about the weather.So anyway, now that I sit here thinking of leaving, I can't help but goback to that day and the casual way he dumped us and wonder why it's sohard for me to leave.The problems in our marriage are for one, the cheating. He has not doneitagain (that I know of) but he never admitted that he was. That has alwayshurt me. And the fact that he has a twin brother that is here ALL THETIME.For the past 3 years, this man has come over here every single day.Spentthe whole entire day here watching TV and (btw, they both "dip" snuff)making awful spitting and hocking noises. Hes disgusting! He doesn'tliftthe seat when he pees, and then pees all over the damn floor in thebathroom. I have said something to my husband about this and he keepsblowing me off. I guess his brother is more important in his life. Thereis more to the story, but this post is already too long :)I have already talked to my brother, who lives in Va, and he said I couldcome stay with him. Now this would be about 900 miles away, as I live inTNright now. Will your son be going with you?
I don't think it would be very good to move him in his senior year of High
School. Plus, I will be staying with my brother. I will, however be
sending him money every month and he will be coming to spend the summer with
me.
Thanks
Robin

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:19:40 GMT, Robin wrote:
Thanks for following me and asking tho.

Ah, honey.. don't think so highly of yourself. I have been in and out of
ASD for five years and posting here in ASM for hmmm... over a year, maybe
more.

It is ironic that even when people asked for clarification very little
came. And *nothing* like the story you told her. I can tell ya, if you'd
posted THAT story, the replies *and* attitudes would've been far
different.

--
Cal~

Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:21:21 GMT, Robin wrote:
not even ask the whole story.

That's the thing.. people *did* ask for clarification. And there wasn't
much of anything, and certainly not to the detail you've posted here.

And you will find parents that are fighting tooth and nail to have access
to their children get a tad disgusted when they see a parent willing to up
and move 900 miles away from their child, with the thought that well, he's
*almost* grown up.
--
Cal~

Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

"*Calinda*" <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95D892C61990419599491@130.133.1.4... On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:19:40 GMT, Robin wrote: Thanks for following me and asking tho. Ah, honey.. don't think so highly of yourself. I have been in and out of ASD for five years and posting here in ASM for hmmm... over a year, maybe more. It is ironic that even when people asked for clarification very little came. And *nothing* like the story you told her. I can tell ya, if you'd posted THAT story, the replies *and* attitudes would've been far different.
Could you just please leave me alone? I honestly did not come in here or
the other group to start trouble. I don't want trouble. I have enough on me
right now. Although it may be fun for you, it is not for me. If I ask
nicely, would you leave me alone?
Thank you
Robin

"*Calinda*" <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95D89313835E719599491@130.133.1.4... On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:21:21 GMT, Robin wrote: not even ask the whole story. That's the thing.. people *did* ask for clarification. And there wasn't much of anything, and certainly not to the detail you've posted here. And you will find parents that are fighting tooth and nail to have access to their children get a tad disgusted when they see a parent willing to up and move 900 miles away from their child, with the thought that well, he's *almost* grown up. --
Please see previous post to you.

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:32:08 GMT, Robin wrote:
If I ask nicely, would you leave me alone?

Usenet tip for ya. You need to thicker skin if you're going to post on
Usenet.

Second tip. Don't like what someone has to say, Killfile is your friend.
Since you're using Outlook Express, there is a killfile option available
to you.
--
Cal~

Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

"*Calinda*" <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95D894A3A16FC19599491@130.133.1.4... On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:32:08 GMT, Robin wrote: If I ask nicely, would you leave me alone? Usenet tip for ya. You need to thicker skin if you're going to post on Usenet. Second tip. Don't like what someone has to say, Killfile is your friend. Since you're using Outlook Express, there is a killfile option available to you. --
Thanks for the awesome info *honey*. And, I've been posting to various
Usenet groups for about 10 years. I can usually handle snotty people.
However, right now I am not in the best form and I am too tired to do
anything about it. So, you win. Horrah! Don't ya feel great?
Robin

In article <HcqdnSoMzrfCcEfcRVn-jg@comcast.com>, "Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote:"mL" <inky56@hellokitty.com> wrote in message
Will your son be going with you?I don't think it would be very good to move him in his senior year of HighSchool. Plus, I will be staying with my brother. I will, however besending him money every month and he will be coming to spend the summer withme.

I agree that it may be best he stays in his current home, school,
neighborhood, etc. But i'm concerned about the quality of parenting that his
father would be able to give him in your absence, judging from the description
you've presented.

If there is any way at all that you could remain nearby, i think this would be
best for your son. I speak from experience, having been the one who moved out
when my marriage ended. Financially it was tough, and i had to accept help
from family, but i managed to stay within a few minutes of my sons' home so
that i could continue to co-parent them along with their dad. I did have an
offer to work and live with a married couple in another state until i could
get back on my own, but refused due to the distance from my boys, it just
wasn't an option. To this day, i don't regret my choice in staying near my
sons. I fear that if you move, you may regret it someday. Think about it,
anyway. Good luck.

"Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:jtOdnVCmgO9scUfcRVn-iQ@comcast.com... "JWB" <jwb3333__removeme__@excite.com> wrote in message news:3401viF44nkrmU1@individual.net... "*Calinda*" <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote in message news:Xns95D8760D9C32C19599491@130.133.1.4... On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:25:51 GMT, Robin wrote:> If anyone out there can help, or maybe just someone to talk to, please> reply.....as I am at my wit's end! LOL! Hello Robin. Interesting that you've shown up here, with 'more' information to your story, after not liking the replies you got in ASD. Wondering why you haven't clarified your situation with the details you've posted here, over there after you were asked for clarification. So, what's up with that? I get the feeling we get trolled every now again with a new "trailer park woman" story. S'cuse me? See, that's what I was talking about. Everyone just loves to jump the band wagon and not even ask the whole story. Thanks for confirming that for me.

well, let's be honest - he left you at the top of a mountain?? His snuff
dippin' bro comes over every day and they sit on the couch making burping
noises... you almost couldn't make this stuff up!

"JWB" <jwb3333__removeme__@excite.com> wrote in message
news:3409v0F46950bU1@individual.net... "Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote in message news:jtOdnVCmgO9scUfcRVn-iQ@comcast.com... "JWB" <jwb3333__removeme__@excite.com> wrote in message news:3401viF44nkrmU1@individual.net... "*Calinda*" <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote in message news:Xns95D8760D9C32C19599491@130.133.1.4...> On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:25:51 GMT, Robin wrote:>>> If anyone out there can help, or maybe just someone to talk to, please>> reply.....as I am at my wit's end! LOL!>> Hello Robin.>> Interesting that you've shown up here, with 'more' information to your> story, after not liking the replies you got in ASD. Wondering why you> haven't clarified your situation with the details you've posted here,> over> there after you were asked for clarification.>> So, what's up with that? I get the feeling we get trolled every now again with a new "trailer park woman" story. S'cuse me? See, that's what I was talking about. Everyone just loves to jump the band wagon and not even ask the whole story. Thanks for confirming that for me. well, let's be honest - he left you at the top of a mountain?? His snuff dippin' bro comes over every day and they sit on the couch making burping noises... you almost couldn't make this stuff up!
ROFLMAO!! You are right. But it is true! They sit there hockin and
spitting all day. Drives me NUTS!! LOL!
Thanks for the laugh...I needed it :)
Hugs,
Robin

"mL" <inky56@hellokitty.com> wrote in message
news:rlCCd.9312$232.5840@fed1read05... In article <HcqdnSoMzrfCcEfcRVn-jg@comcast.com>, "Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote:"mL" <inky56@hellokitty.com> wrote in message Will your son be going with you?I don't think it would be very good to move him in his senior year of HighSchool. Plus, I will be staying with my brother. I will, however besending him money every month and he will be coming to spend the summerwithme. I agree that it may be best he stays in his current home, school, neighborhood, etc. But i'm concerned about the quality of parenting that his father would be able to give him in your absence, judging from the description you've presented. If there is any way at all that you could remain nearby, i think this would be best for your son. I speak from experience, having been the one who moved out when my marriage ended. Financially it was tough, and i had to accept help from family, but i managed to stay within a few minutes of my sons' home so that i could continue to co-parent them along with their dad. I did have an offer to work and live with a married couple in another state until i could get back on my own, but refused due to the distance from my boys, it just wasn't an option. To this day, i don't regret my choice in staying near my sons. I fear that if you move, you may regret it someday. Think about it, anyway. Good luck.

Thank you for your reply and yes...I will definately think about it. I
still have a few weeks before I absolutely have to make a decision.

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:40:24 GMT, Robin wrote:
Thanks for the awesome info *honey*. And, I've been posting to various Usenet groups for about 10 years. I can usually handle snotty people. However, right now I am not in the best form and I am too tired to do anything about it. So, you win. Horrah! Don't ya feel great? Robin

If you could get your chip off your shoulder, you would see that I wasn't
been all that snotty to you. I even suggested that if you gave the full
information there, that you gave here, that people would've treated you
*much* differently.

And in fact you had several people suggesting ways you might stay in your
son's life, while extricating yourself from your marriage.

Many people in ASD are fighting to either get access to our kids, or
trying to find ways to keep the other parent in our kids lives and that is
certainly a huge hot button issue for many of us.

If you've been in Usenet for 10 years, you should certainly have a thicker
skin by now and know how to use a Killfile.

All that said, it sounds like you're pretty raw right now, so you might
want to tread a little more carefully while wading into the deep end of
the pool. As Yoops said over there.. there is no water in there.

Have you sought out any type of counseling for either yourself or you and
your spouse?
--
Cal~

Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

"Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:3-adna4bmu32b0fcRVn-pA@comcast.com... "JWB" <jwb3333__removeme__@excite.com> wrote in message news:3409v0F46950bU1@individual.net... "Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote in message news:jtOdnVCmgO9scUfcRVn-iQ@comcast.com... "JWB" <jwb3333__removeme__@excite.com> wrote in message news:3401viF44nkrmU1@individual.net...> "*Calinda*" <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote in message> news:Xns95D8760D9C32C19599491@130.133.1.4...>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:25:51 GMT, Robin wrote:>>>>> If anyone out there can help, or maybe just someone to talk to,>>> please>>> reply.....as I am at my wit's end! LOL!>>>> Hello Robin.>>>> Interesting that you've shown up here, with 'more' information to your>> story, after not liking the replies you got in ASD. Wondering why you>> haven't clarified your situation with the details you've posted here,>> over>> there after you were asked for clarification.>>>> So, what's up with that?>> I get the feeling we get trolled every now again with a new "trailer> park woman" story. S'cuse me? See, that's what I was talking about. Everyone just loves to jump the band wagon and not even ask the whole story. Thanks for confirming that for me. well, let's be honest - he left you at the top of a mountain?? His snuff dippin' bro comes over every day and they sit on the couch making burping noises... you almost couldn't make this stuff up! ROFLMAO!! You are right. But it is true! They sit there hockin and spitting all day. Drives me NUTS!! LOL! Thanks for the laugh...I needed it :) Hugs, Robin

You need to piss in their snuff, Robin.

JWB wrote: "*Calinda*" <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote in message news:Xns95D8760D9C32C19599491@130.133.1.4... On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:25:51 GMT, Robin wrote: If anyone out there can help, or maybe just someone to talk to, please reply.....as I am at my wit's end! LOL! Hello Robin. Interesting that you've shown up here, with 'more' information to your story, after not liking the replies you got in ASD. Wondering why you haven't clarified your situation with the details you've posted here,
over there after you were asked for clarification. So, what's up with that? I get the feeling we get trolled every now again with a new "trailer park woman" story.

ROFL!

"JWB" <jwb3333__removeme__@excite.com> wrote in message
news:340ag1F469c30U1@individual.net... "Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote in message news:3-adna4bmu32b0fcRVn-pA@comcast.com... "JWB" <jwb3333__removeme__@excite.com> wrote in message news:3409v0F46950bU1@individual.net... "Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote in message news:jtOdnVCmgO9scUfcRVn-iQ@comcast.com...>> "JWB" <jwb3333__removeme__@excite.com> wrote in message> news:3401viF44nkrmU1@individual.net...>> "*Calinda*" <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote in message>> news:Xns95D8760D9C32C19599491@130.133.1.4...>>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:25:51 GMT, Robin wrote:>>>>>>> If anyone out there can help, or maybe just someone to talk to,>>>> please>>>> reply.....as I am at my wit's end! LOL!>>>>>> Hello Robin.>>>>>> Interesting that you've shown up here, with 'more' information to>>> your>>> story, after not liking the replies you got in ASD. Wondering why>>> you>>> haven't clarified your situation with the details you've posted here,>>> over>>> there after you were asked for clarification.>>>>>> So, what's up with that?>>>> I get the feeling we get trolled every now again with a new "trailer>> park woman" story.> S'cuse me? See, that's what I was talking about. Everyone just loves> to jump the band wagon and not even ask the whole story. Thanks for> confirming that for me. well, let's be honest - he left you at the top of a mountain?? His snuff dippin' bro comes over every day and they sit on the couch making burping noises... you almost couldn't make this stuff up! ROFLMAO!! You are right. But it is true! They sit there hockin and spitting all day. Drives me NUTS!! LOL! Thanks for the laugh...I needed it :) Hugs, Robin You need to piss in their snuff, Robin.
OMFG! You are too funny! I've a good mind to do just that! LOL!

Where is this honey bit coming from??? This must be a meow thingie!

*Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:19:40 GMT, Robin wrote: Thanks for following me and asking tho. Ah, honey.. don't think so highly of yourself. I have been in and out of ASD for five years and posting here in ASM for hmmm... over a year, maybe more. It is ironic that even when people asked for clarification very little came. And *nothing* like the story you told her. I can tell ya, if you'd posted THAT story, the replies *and* attitudes would've been far different. -- Cal~ Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

Yea, that's how I took it...:)

"Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:BwCCd.312$Pm6.209@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net... Where is this honey bit coming from??? This must be a meow thingie! *Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:19:40 GMT, Robin wrote: Thanks for following me and asking tho. Ah, honey.. don't think so highly of yourself. I have been in and out of ASD for five years and posting here in ASM for hmmm... over a year, maybe more. It is ironic that even when people asked for clarification very little came. And *nothing* like the story you told her. I can tell ya, if you'd posted THAT story, the replies *and* attitudes would've been far different. -- Cal~ Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

"Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:jtOdnVCmgO9scUfcRVn-iQ@comcast.com... "JWB" <jwb3333__removeme__@excite.com> wrote in message news:3401viF44nkrmU1@individual.net... "*Calinda*" <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote in message news:Xns95D8760D9C32C19599491@130.133.1.4... On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:25:51 GMT, Robin wrote:> If anyone out there can help, or maybe just someone to talk to, please> reply.....as I am at my wit's end! LOL! Hello Robin. Interesting that you've shown up here, with 'more' information to your story, after not liking the replies you got in ASD. Wondering why you haven't clarified your situation with the details you've posted here, over there after you were asked for clarification. So, what's up with that? I get the feeling we get trolled every now again with a new "trailer
park woman" story. S'cuse me? See, that's what I was talking about. Everyone just loves to jump the band wagon and not even ask the whole story. Thanks for
confirming that for me. And, BTW..I am not a troll. I am an actual woman with a real problem and
I thought I was speaking (typing) to a few people that were in the same spot
I was in and maybe could offer some advice. Hugs, Robin


Can I make a suggestion? Start your own thread. Explain from the beginning
what the problem is and what you hope to achieve. Some people will
categorize you. From others, or even from those who categorize you if you
are willing to listen to the rest, you may get help.

Just a suggestion.

S

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:55:32 GMT, Robin wrote:

Reordered, to keep the actual flow of the conversation, such as it is,
intact:
*Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:19:40 GMT, Robin wrote:> Thanks for following me and asking tho. Ah, honey.. don't think so highly of yourself. I have been in and out of ASD for five years and posting here in ASM for hmmm... over a year, maybe more.

Then Bill says, cuz he just can't help but interject himself into
everything, even if adding nothing to the mix:
"Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:BwCCd.312$Pm6.209@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
Where is this honey bit coming from??? This must be a meow thingie!

Then, of course, the OP says:
Yea, that's how I took it...:)

My reply:

Not catty at all, but sarcastic- yes.

To think that someone that's been posting in both groups for a long while
now is actually 'following' her is funny..
--
Cal~

Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

"Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:MN-dnecEKvXOcUfcRVn-qw@comcast.com... "*Calinda*" <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote in message news:Xns95D8760D9C32C19599491@130.133.1.4... On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:25:51 GMT, Robin wrote: If anyone out there can help, or maybe just someone to talk to, please reply.....as I am at my wit's end! LOL! Hello Robin. Interesting that you've shown up here, with 'more' information to your story, after not liking the replies you got in ASD. Wondering why you haven't clarified your situation with the details you've posted here,
over there after you were asked for clarification. So, what's up with that? Nah, not that I didn't like the replies, just the attitudes. Everyone jumped on me without even asking any questions. I didn't feel the need or that anyone would have listened had I tried to clarify my situation. Thanks for following me and asking tho.


She did not follow you. She has been here a really long time.
Hugs, Robin

"Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:Nq2dnSo5ksyhckfcRVn-iA@comcast.com... "*Calinda*" <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote in message news:Xns95D892C61990419599491@130.133.1.4... On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:19:40 GMT, Robin wrote: Thanks for following me and asking tho. Ah, honey.. don't think so highly of yourself. I have been in and out
of ASD for five years and posting here in ASM for hmmm... over a year,
maybe more. It is ironic that even when people asked for clarification very little came. And *nothing* like the story you told her. I can tell ya, if
you'd posted THAT story, the replies *and* attitudes would've been far different. Could you just please leave me alone? I honestly did not come in here or the other group to start trouble. I don't want trouble. I have enough on
me right now. Although it may be fun for you, it is not for me. If I ask nicely, would you leave me alone? Thank you Robin

Another suggestion. Anything you do not want on usenet, you leave. The more
you say, the more will be replied.

Just a suggestion.

"Stephanie Stowe" <IwishIcould@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:340asaF452pm9U2@individual.net... "Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote in message news:jtOdnVCmgO9scUfcRVn-iQ@comcast.com... "JWB" <jwb3333__removeme__@excite.com> wrote in message news:3401viF44nkrmU1@individual.net... "*Calinda*" <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote in message news:Xns95D8760D9C32C19599491@130.133.1.4...> On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:25:51 GMT, Robin wrote:>>> If anyone out there can help, or maybe just someone to talk to,>> please>> reply.....as I am at my wit's end! LOL!>> Hello Robin.>> Interesting that you've shown up here, with 'more' information to your> story, after not liking the replies you got in ASD. Wondering why you> haven't clarified your situation with the details you've posted here,> over> there after you were asked for clarification.>> So, what's up with that? I get the feeling we get trolled every now again with a new "trailer park woman" story. S'cuse me? See, that's what I was talking about. Everyone just loves to jump the band wagon and not even ask the whole story. Thanks for confirming that for me. And, BTW..I am not a troll. I am an actual woman with a real problem and I thought I was speaking (typing) to a few people that were in the same spot I was in and maybe could offer some advice. Hugs, Robin Can I make a suggestion? Start your own thread. Explain from the beginning what the problem is and what you hope to achieve. Some people will categorize you. From others, or even from those who categorize you if you are willing to listen to the rest, you may get help. Just a suggestion.
Thanks. But I did start this thread. Ole Calinda hijacked it to badger me.
I will try again tho if you feel it would help. :)
Thanks,
Robin

"*Calinda*" <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95D8988E98B3F19599491@130.133.1.4... On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:55:32 GMT, Robin wrote: Reordered, to keep the actual flow of the conversation, such as it is, intact:

Thank you!
*Calinda* wrote:> On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:19:40 GMT, Robin wrote:>>> Thanks for following me and asking tho.>> Ah, honey.. don't think so highly of yourself. I have been in and> out of ASD for five years and posting here in ASM for hmmm... over a> year, maybe more. Then Bill says, cuz he just can't help but interject himself into everything, even if adding nothing to the mix: "Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:BwCCd.312$Pm6.209@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net... Where is this honey bit coming from??? This must be a meow thingie! Then, of course, the OP says: Yea, that's how I took it...:) My reply: Not catty at all, but sarcastic- yes. To think that someone that's been posting in both groups for a long while now is actually 'following' her is funny.. -- Cal~ Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

*Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:40:24 GMT, Robin wrote: Thanks for the awesome info *honey*. And, I've been posting to various Usenet groups for about 10 years. I can usually handle snotty people. However, right now I am not in the best form and I am too tired to do anything about it. So, you win. Horrah! Don't ya feel great? Robin If you could get your chip off your shoulder, you would see that I wasn't been all that snotty to you. I even suggested that if you gave the full information there, that you gave here, that people would've treated you *much* differently.

Hey Cal - what goes around, comes around. Let's at least be a little
objective, and not say we're totally blameless in this. (And you've done
similar stuff (and maybe I have to). So admit it.

Bill, the soothsayer..
And in fact you had several people suggesting ways you might stay in your son's life, while extricating yourself from your marriage. Many people in ASD are fighting to either get access to our kids, or trying to find ways to keep the other parent in our kids lives and that is certainly a huge hot button issue for many of us. If you've been in Usenet for 10 years, you should certainly have a thicker skin by now and know how to use a Killfile. All that said, it sounds like you're pretty raw right now, so you might want to tread a little more carefully while wading into the deep end of the pool. As Yoops said over there.. there is no water in there. Have you sought out any type of counseling for either yourself or you and your spouse? -- Cal~ Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

"Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:HcqdnSoMzrfCcEfcRVn-jg@comcast.com... "mL" <inky56@hellokitty.com> wrote in message news:0dBCd.9307$232.2992@fed1read05... In article <faKdnWI4hqLpOkfcRVn-hA@comcast.com>, "Robin"
<me5@privacy.net> wrote:Hi. My name is Robin and I need someone to talk to about my marriage.I am considering leaving my husband of 17 years. For the past 2 years
orso, I have not been happy at all. I will try to explain as best I can,however I am not very good with words. Please excuse the language in
someareas, I have bleeped out most of it...About 10 years ago he cheated on me. He has yet to admit it, but we allknow it's true. He "suddenly" decided he did not love me anymore. Heleftme and Steven(our son, who was 5 at the time) on top of a mountain withnofood or money or phone and no way to go anywhere. He was too busy with
hisnew bit** to even take me to the grocery store. I am not exaggeratinghere.He actually came to pick me up to take me to the store one time and halfwaythere I said if you don't want to do this then don't...he did a U turn
inthe middle of the street and was taking me back home so fast my head wasspinning!! I remember one time standing on the side of the road with himandcrying and begging him to at least tell me why and he had sunglasses on,
Iguess to hide is guilty face, and I reached up to move them so he couldLOOK ME IN THE EYES and he jerked away and said "Don't you f***in' touchme!" in a tone like he was chatting about the weather.So anyway, now that I sit here thinking of leaving, I can't help but goback to that day and the casual way he dumped us and wonder why it's sohard for me to leave.The problems in our marriage are for one, the cheating. He has not doneitagain (that I know of) but he never admitted that he was. That has
alwayshurt me. And the fact that he has a twin brother that is here ALL THETIME.For the past 3 years, this man has come over here every single day.Spentthe whole entire day here watching TV and (btw, they both "dip" snuff)making awful spitting and hocking noises. Hes disgusting! He doesn'tliftthe seat when he pees, and then pees all over the damn floor in thebathroom. I have said something to my husband about this and he keepsblowing me off. I guess his brother is more important in his life.
Thereis more to the story, but this post is already too long :)I have already talked to my brother, who lives in Va, and he said I
couldcome stay with him. Now this would be about 900 miles away, as I live
inTNright now. Will your son be going with you? I don't think it would be very good to move him in his senior year of High School. Plus, I will be staying with my brother. I will, however be sending him money every month and he will be coming to spend the summer
with me. Thanks Robin

Your scene is this, if I may sum up what I think I know. You want to leave
your husband of a lot of years. You have a 16 yo son from whom you intend to
move hundreds of miles away.

The rest regarding how awful your husband is I don't care much about. In my
mind, it does not matter. If things have been horrid for this many years,
and you have decided to split, then it is a done deal. So the issue seems to
be how to leave your husband. For some reason it is hard for you to leave,
and you do not know why. If I recall from ASD, at which I lurk
occaissionally, you called your Mom for help and she said no. You have no
means of support. If this sums it up, then here are my thoughts.

There is no magic way you are going to be able to immediately leave if you
mean to stay with your son. IMO it would be terrible to leave your son and
travel hundreds of miles away. Money is the *least* of what this young man
needs, particularly with his parents splitting up. He needs to know that it
is his parents and their marriage not him. He needs your love, patience,
listening ear and all the things a mother does for a 16 yo. And he needs it
more than ever.

You can still leave your husband. Just not today. You lay yourself out a
long term plan. Goal 1; get a decent job. Go to your state's employment and
training department and ask them what resources are available for getting
trained in some marketable form of work. Get a job flipping burgers to start
documenting a reliable work history. Show up on time, every time. Work hard
and develop good references.

Goal 2: determine living arrangments. Where should you live which will allow
you access to your son? Possible near Dad's (now you) house. I am not making
an assumption that you will not make a play for the house if there one, just
giving you an idea of the kinds of planning I am talking about. Will you
need a car? Sounds like he provides transportation now. Is there somewhere
you could live with access to bus or will you need to get a car/learn to
drive. Map it out in a spreadsheet or whatever.

Goal 3: Get all your practical ducks in a row and walk out the door.

The key is, you have to be able to rely on yourself to take care of yourself
in order to actually find a way to leave. No mother, no brother is going to
be able or willing to take care of you. And once you have taken care of
yourself, you will be so proud of yourself. Then you will have all the
choices in the world. You can choose to stay. You can choose to leave. And
you can do it all knowing you have 2 perfectly good feet you can stand on.

Those are my thoughts.

Good luck.

This WAS catty, Cal. There was no need for it, and you know it. Where
do you admit your part in this? At least I can be honest about it - well,
sometimes, anyway.

*Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:55:32 GMT, Robin wrote: Reordered, to keep the actual flow of the conversation, such as it is, intact: *Calinda* wrote:> On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:19:40 GMT, Robin wrote:>>> Thanks for following me and asking tho.>> Ah, honey.. don't think so highly of yourself. I have been in and> out of ASD for five years and posting here in ASM for hmmm... over a> year, maybe more. Then Bill says, cuz he just can't help but interject himself into everything, even if adding nothing to the mix: "Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:BwCCd.312$Pm6.209@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net... Where is this honey bit coming from??? This must be a meow thingie! Then, of course, the OP says: Yea, that's how I took it...:) My reply: Not catty at all, but sarcastic- yes. To think that someone that's been posting in both groups for a long while now is actually 'following' her is funny.. -- Cal~ Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:29:52 GMT, Bill in Co. wrote:
REORDERED AGAIN...

Bill Why do you like to take conversations outside of the normal process
and do this?

Do you know why *I* think you do this? To garner more attention to
yourself. You interject yourself into a conversation with your little
snippets but little to nothing of substance or value in them. Simply
because you crave attention. And you can deny that till the cows come
home..

Reply at the bottom of the conversation:
*Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:55:32 GMT, Robin wrote: Reordered, to keep the actual flow of the conversation, such as it is, intact:> *Calinda* wrote:>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:19:40 GMT, Robin wrote:>>>>> Thanks for following me and asking tho.>>>> Ah, honey.. don't think so highly of yourself. I have been in and>> out of ASD for five years and posting here in ASM for hmmm... over>> a year, maybe more. Then Bill says, cuz he just can't help but interject himself into everything, even if adding nothing to the mix: "Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:BwCCd.312$Pm6.209@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...> Where is this honey bit coming from??? This must be a meow> thingie! Then, of course, the OP says: Yea, that's how I took it...:) My reply: Not catty at all, but sarcastic- yes. To think that someone that's been posting in both groups for a long while now is actually 'following' her is funny..

Bill's reply:
This WAS catty, Cal. There was no need for it, and you know it.

Oh, so.. there is no need to tell someone to get a grip when they think so
highly of themselves? You do it *all* the time, multiple times a day
whether it's warrented or not!

IMO, being catty is different than being sarcastic.

And to me, your calling a woman (any woman) "catty" is derogatory in the
first place. It is used soley against women, when there is a
disagreement, as a way to minimize women.
Where do you admit your part in this? At least I can be honest about it - well, sometimes, anyway.

Did you even read the first post reply to this woman? It wasn't "catty"
as you term it in the least. I stated that she posted a lot more info
here than she did there, even with the request for clarification. And I
asked her what was up with that. That was MY part in it.

You haven't been honest at *all*. You've been asked at least three dozen
times why you change your nick to get out of killfiles, but you can't
admit it to yourself that you crave attention, say nothing to admitting it
to anyone else.

Try answering this one: Why do you feel the need to slip your little one-
liners into just about any and all conversations? Do you feel that your
one-liners add anything of real substance or value to them, *honestly*?

--
Cal~

Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

"Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:ZrydndgHwMnJa0fcRVn-qQ@comcast.com... "Stephanie Stowe" <IwishIcould@nospam.com> wrote in message news:340asaF452pm9U2@individual.net... "Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote in message news:jtOdnVCmgO9scUfcRVn-iQ@comcast.com... "JWB" <jwb3333__removeme__@excite.com> wrote in message news:3401viF44nkrmU1@individual.net... > "*Calinda*" <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote in message > news:Xns95D8760D9C32C19599491@130.133.1.4... >> On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:25:51 GMT, Robin wrote: >> >>> If anyone out there can help, or maybe just someone to talk to, >>> please >>> reply.....as I am at my wit's end! LOL! >> >> Hello Robin. >> >> Interesting that you've shown up here, with 'more' information to
your >> story, after not liking the replies you got in ASD. Wondering why
you >> haven't clarified your situation with the details you've posted
here, >> over >> there after you were asked for clarification. >> >> So, what's up with that? > > I get the feeling we get trolled every now again with a new "trailer park > woman" story. S'cuse me? See, that's what I was talking about. Everyone just loves
to jump the band wagon and not even ask the whole story. Thanks for confirming that for me. And, BTW..I am not a troll. I am an actual woman with a real problem
and I thought I was speaking (typing) to a few people that were in the same spot I was in and maybe could offer some advice. Hugs, Robin Can I make a suggestion? Start your own thread. Explain from the
beginning what the problem is and what you hope to achieve. Some people will categorize you. From others, or even from those who categorize you if
you are willing to listen to the rest, you may get help. Just a suggestion. Thanks. But I did start this thread.

You are showing under the post from Miel Ferrer in my reader.
Ole Calinda hijacked it to badger me. I will try again tho if you feel it would help. :) Thanks, Robin

"Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:41DCd.339$Pm6.3@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net... This WAS catty, Cal. There was no need for it, and you know it.
Where do you admit your part in this? At least I can be honest about it -
well, sometimes, anyway.


Oh you evil top posting monkey, you.
*Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:55:32 GMT, Robin wrote: Reordered, to keep the actual flow of the conversation, such as it is, intact:> *Calinda* wrote:>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:19:40 GMT, Robin wrote:>>>>> Thanks for following me and asking tho.>>>> Ah, honey.. don't think so highly of yourself. I have been in and>> out of ASD for five years and posting here in ASM for hmmm... over a>> year, maybe more. Then Bill says, cuz he just can't help but interject himself into everything, even if adding nothing to the mix: "Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:BwCCd.312$Pm6.209@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...> Where is this honey bit coming from??? This must be a meow> thingie! Then, of course, the OP says: Yea, that's how I took it...:) My reply: Not catty at all, but sarcastic- yes. To think that someone that's been posting in both groups for a long
while now is actually 'following' her is funny.. -- Cal~ Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:52:16 GMT, Stephanie Stowe wrote:
"Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote in message
Ole Calinda

hey Bill!... you called me 'catty' when I called her honey.

What about this one? Why aren't you calling her to task?

Do you think it has anything to do with your projection of my motives in
my postings? Can you admit your double standards here?

--
Cal~

Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

I noticed you sidestepped MY question, ONCE AGAIN. Is there any valid
reason for this Cal? I think you do this because you are afraid to admit
some things about yourself. As if the world would come to an end. And
Cal, I know you don't crave any attention (not Cal), so why throw that spear
out too? (A little projection there, kiddo)? Admit it. It won't kill
you.

*Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:29:52 GMT, Bill in Co. wrote: REORDERED AGAIN... Bill Why do you like to take conversations outside of the normal process and do this? Do you know why *I* think you do this? To garner more attention to yourself. You interject yourself into a conversation with your little snippets but little to nothing of substance or value in them. Simply because you crave attention. And you can deny that till the cows come home.. Reply at the bottom of the conversation: *Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:55:32 GMT, Robin wrote: Reordered, to keep the actual flow of the conversation, such as it is, intact:>> *Calinda* wrote:>>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:19:40 GMT, Robin wrote:>>>>>>> Thanks for following me and asking tho.>>>>>> Ah, honey.. don't think so highly of yourself. I have been in and>>> out of ASD for five years and posting here in ASM for hmmm... over>>> a year, maybe more. Then Bill says, cuz he just can't help but interject himself into everything, even if adding nothing to the mix:> "Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message> news:BwCCd.312$Pm6.209@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...>> Where is this honey bit coming from??? This must be a meow>> thingie! Then, of course, the OP says:> Yea, that's how I took it...:) My reply: Not catty at all, but sarcastic- yes. To think that someone that's been posting in both groups for a long while now is actually 'following' her is funny.. Bill's reply: This WAS catty, Cal. There was no need for it, and you know it. Oh, so.. there is no need to tell someone to get a grip when they think so highly of themselves? You do it *all* the time, multiple times a day whether it's warrented or not! IMO, being catty is different than being sarcastic. And to me, your calling a woman (any woman) "catty" is derogatory in the first place. It is used soley against women, when there is a disagreement, as a way to minimize women. Where do you admit your part in this? At least I can be honest about it - well, sometimes, anyway. Did you even read the first post reply to this woman? It wasn't "catty" as you term it in the least. I stated that she posted a lot more info here than she did there, even with the request for clarification. And I asked her what was up with that. That was MY part in it. You haven't been honest at *all*. You've been asked at least three dozen times why you change your nick to get out of killfiles, but you can't admit it to yourself that you crave attention, say nothing to admitting it to anyone else. Try answering this one: Why do you feel the need to slip your little one- liners into just about any and all conversations? Do you feel that your one-liners add anything of real substance or value to them, *honestly*? -- Cal~ Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

Meow, meow??????

*Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:52:16 GMT, Stephanie Stowe wrote: "Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote in message Ole Calinda hey Bill!... you called me 'catty' when I called her honey. What about this one? Why aren't you calling her to task? Do you think it has anything to do with your projection of my motives in my postings? Can you admit your double standards here? -- Cal~ Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:29:06 GMT, Bill in Co. wrote:


Again with the reorodering of idiotic top posting. *Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:29:52 GMT, Bill in Co. wrote: REORDERED AGAIN... Bill Why do you like to take conversations outside of the normal process and do this? Do you know why *I* think you do this? To garner more attention to yourself. You interject yourself into a conversation with your little snippets but little to nothing of substance or value in them. Simply because you crave attention. And you can deny that till the cows come home.. Reply at the bottom of the conversation: *Calinda* wrote:> On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:55:32 GMT, Robin wrote:>> Reordered, to keep the actual flow of the conversation, such as it> is, intact:>>>> *Calinda* wrote:>>>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:19:40 GMT, Robin wrote:>>>>>>>>> Thanks for following me and asking tho.>>>>>>>> Ah, honey.. don't think so highly of yourself. I have been in>>>> and out of ASD for five years and posting here in ASM for>>>> hmmm... over a year, maybe more.>> Then Bill says, cuz he just can't help but interject himself into> everything, even if adding nothing to the mix:>>> "Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message>> news:BwCCd.312$Pm6.209@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...>>>> Where is this honey bit coming from??? This must be a meow>>> thingie!>> Then, of course, the OP says:>>> Yea, that's how I took it...:)>> My reply:>> Not catty at all, but sarcastic- yes.>> To think that someone that's been posting in both groups for a long> while now is actually 'following' her is funny.. Bill's reply: This WAS catty, Cal. There was no need for it, and you know it. Oh, so.. there is no need to tell someone to get a grip when they think so highly of themselves? You do it *all* the time, multiple times a day whether it's warrented or not! IMO, being catty is different than being sarcastic. And to me, your calling a woman (any woman) "catty" is derogatory in the first place. It is used soley against women, when there is a disagreement, as a way to minimize women. Where do you admit your part in this? At least I can be honest about it - well, sometimes, anyway. Did you even read the first post reply to this woman? It wasn't "catty" as you term it in the least. I stated that she posted a lot more info here than she did there, even with the request for clarification. And I asked her what was up with that. That was MY part in it. You haven't been honest at *all*. You've been asked at least three dozen times why you change your nick to get out of killfiles, but you can't admit it to yourself that you crave attention, say nothing to admitting it to anyone else. Try answering this one: Why do you feel the need to slip your little one- liners into just about any and all conversations? Do you feel that your one-liners add anything of real substance or value to them, *honestly*?
I noticed you sidestepped MY question, ONCE AGAIN. Is there any valid reason for this Cal? I think you do this because you are afraid to admit some things about yourself. As if the world would come to an end.

I did answer your question- right up there. That you don't like my answer
is not my problem.
And Cal, I know you don't crave any attention (not Cal), so why throw that spear out too? (A little projection there, kiddo)? Admit it. It won't kill you.

Nothing to admit, Bill. I am not the one running around in any and all
threads tossing off one liners, like you. I don't go around yelling
"bull****".. or "and you're surprised by that".. etc.. without ever adding
something real or substansive for the most part.

And you've still avoided any question put to you. Not that you answered
and we didn't like your answers, you just avoid them. That isn't
surprising either.
--
Cal~

Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:30:24 GMT, Bill in Co. wrote:

*Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:52:16 GMT, Stephanie Stowe wrote: "Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote in message> Ole Calinda hey Bill!... you called me 'catty' when I called her honey. What about this one? Why aren't you calling her to task? Do you think it has anything to do with your projection of my motives in my postings? Can you admit your double standards here?
Meow, meow??????

Yeah, nice dodge of the real question here. Why the double standard?



--
Cal~

Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

*Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:29:06 GMT, Bill in Co. wrote: Nothing to admit, Bill. I am not the one running around in any and all threads tossing off one liners, like you. I don't go around yelling "bull****".. or "and you're surprised by that".. etc.. without ever adding something real or substansive for the most part.

Nooooo! But of course *CAL* has nothing to admit!! And you ALWAYS add
something substantive, so I stand at your feet, begging for forgiveness.
Lord Have Mercy.

And, BTW Cal, just why is it that you are requesting Google to remove your
posts after 6 days? Afraid of something?

Again, you don't have to answer this, and you can dodge it as well.

"Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ZhECd.423$v76.79@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink .net... *Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:29:06 GMT, Bill in Co. wrote: Nothing to admit, Bill. I am not the one running around in any and all threads tossing off one liners, like you. I don't go around yelling "bull****".. or "and you're surprised by that".. etc.. without ever
adding something real or substansive for the most part. Nooooo! But of course *CAL* has nothing to admit!! And you ALWAYS add something substantive, so I stand at your feet, begging for forgiveness. Lord Have Mercy.

Wait, for some reason I am still reading these. What does Cal have to admit?
And, BTW Cal, just why is it that you are requesting Google to remove your posts after 6 days? Afraid of something?

Is that a sin?
Again, you don't have to answer this, and you can dodge it as well.

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:58:14 GMT, Stephanie Stowe wrote:
"Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:ZhECd.423$v76.79@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink .net... *Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:29:06 GMT, Bill in Co. wrote: Nothing to admit, Bill. I am not the one running around in any and all threads tossing off one liners, like you. I don't go around yelling "bull****".. or "and you're surprised by that".. etc.. without ever adding something real or substansive for the most part. Nooooo! But of course *CAL* has nothing to admit!! And you ALWAYS add something substantive, so I stand at your feet, begging for forgiveness. Lord Have Mercy. Wait, for some reason I am still reading these. What does Cal have to admit?

he feels that the only reason I post is for attention, because I asked him
why he feels he must top post and why he keeps changing his nick to get
out of people's kill files and suggested to him that it was for attention.
Of course, I don't go around constantly adding one liners to poke at
people. Even this thread, the one I was orignially accused of hijacking
was not a one liner, but his were.. What did his "meow" post actually ADD,
anyway?
And, BTW Cal, just why is it that you are requesting Google to remove your posts after 6 days? Afraid of something?

I don't know why that changed. But <shrug>.. so what? Why does it
actually *bother* you and what does that say about YOU?
Is that a sin?

Only to someone that assigns negative motives to anything and everything
someone else says.
Again, you don't have to answer this, and you can dodge it as well.

Since I don't, as a habit, dodge anything, I answered. I don't know what
changed. I didn't even *realize* it had until you mentioned it.

Now.. you- answer the reason you've changed your nick (for the 3 dozenth
time)?

Answer the reason for your nasty little one liners, that add nothing. I'm
not talking about when you're joking around with someone, but when you
step into a conversation that you have, to that point, not added anything
of substance or value, just to shoot off one of your nasty one liners?

And why the double standards?

Dodge ball time, Bill.
--
Cal~

Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

Stephanie Stowe wrote: "Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:ZhECd.423$v76.79@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink .net... *Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:29:06 GMT, Bill in Co. wrote: Nothing to admit, Bill. I am not the one running around in any and all threads tossing off one liners, like you. I don't go around yelling "bull****".. or "and you're surprised by that".. etc.. without ever
adding something real or substansive for the most part. Nooooo! But of course *CAL* has nothing to admit!! And you ALWAYS add something substantive, so I stand at your feet, begging for
forgiveness. Lord Have Mercy. Wait, for some reason I am still reading these.

Yea, I'll give ya a day or two to catch up first, ok? (rhetorical)
What does Cal have to admit?

Obviously NOTHING. (Ya know that movie, "Above The Law"? (Seagal)?
posts after 6 days? Afraid of something? Is that a sin?

Nope, Cal doesn't do sins. Only I do sins! Tell your troubles to the
Chaplain. 2 doors down, turn left at the first exit, and you'll see it.
I'll be waiting. Ooops, I'm the one going in. Sorry.
Again, you don't have to answer this, and you can dodge it as well.

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:07:40 GMT, Bill in Co. wrote:
Nope, Cal doesn't do sins. Only I do sins!

'Bout time you finally admitted that one. Took you long enough! LOL.





--
Cal~

Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

*Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:58:14 GMT, Stephanie Stowe wrote "Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Cal wrote (amongst other ramblings): Since I don't, as a habit, dodge anything, I answered. I don't know what changed.

!!! ROFLMAO !!!

OK, that does it! I need a break, thanks for the laughs, Cal. But I
gotta go grocery shopping now, dammit.

Robin wrote: "mL" <inky56@hellokitty.com> wrote in message news:rlCCd.9312$232.5840@fed1read05... In article <HcqdnSoMzrfCcEfcRVn-jg@comcast.com>, "Robin" <me5@privacy.net> wrote: "mL" <inky56@hellokitty.com> wrote in message> Will your son be going with you?> I don't think it would be very good to move him in his senior year of High School. Plus, I will be staying with my brother. I will, however be sending him money every month and he will be coming to spend the summer with me. I agree that it may be best he stays in his current home, school, neighborhood, etc. But i'm concerned about the quality of parenting that his father would be able to give him in your absence, judging from the description you've presented. If there is any way at all that you could remain nearby, i think this would be best for your son. I speak from experience, having been the one who moved out when my marriage ended. Financially it was tough, and i had to accept help from family, but i managed to stay within a few minutes of my sons' home so that i could continue to co-parent them along with their dad. I did have an offer to work and live with a married couple in another state until i could get back on my own, but refused due to the distance from my boys, it just wasn't an option. To this day, i don't regret my choice in staying near my sons. I fear that if you move, you may regret it someday. Think about it, anyway. Good luck. Thank you for your reply and yes...I will definately think about it. I still have a few weeks before I absolutely have to make a decision.

How much longer would you have to wait if you remained until your son
finished high school? Is that around June or July where you live? What I'm
thinking is that it would be very unsettling for him if his mother went so
far away and, unless you are in actual danger from your husband, it might
be better to wait just a little longer before you go.

I'm trying not to be too harsh here, but I do think you are being very
selfish in thinking of abandoning your son at this point in his life. I find
it hard to imagine the circumstances where I would even consider such a
thing and what you've described of your life wouldn't come close to the dire
situation I'd need to run away from my children.

I'd suggest marriage counselling but I can't understand why you got back
together with your husband 10 years ago and you clearly can't stand him (or
his brother) now. Why not spend the next six months doing a course or
getting some kind of job experience where you live so you can support
yourself when you do leave? If you had a job you'd have more choices.

Tai

Bill in Co. wrote: *Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:29:06 GMT, Bill in Co. wrote: Nothing to admit, Bill. I am not the one running around in any and all threads tossing off one liners, like you. I don't go around yelling "bull****".. or "and you're surprised by that".. etc.. without ever adding something real or substansive for the most part. Nooooo! But of course *CAL* has nothing to admit!! And you ALWAYS add something substantive, so I stand at your feet, begging for forgiveness. Lord Have Mercy. And, BTW Cal, just why is it that you are requesting Google to remove your posts after 6 days? Afraid of something? Again, you don't have to answer this, and you can dodge it as well.

Bill, for all your "meowing" at other people are you aware that you come
across, to me at least, as one of the biggest *****es of all in the
newgroups you inhabit?

Tai

"Tai" <tainuiti@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:340o4jF42povbU1@individual.net...
Bill, for all your "meowing" at other people are you aware that you come across, to me at least, as one of the biggest *****es of all in the newgroups you inhabit?

he even seems to have a period. Once a month or so, for about 4-5 days, he
really goes on a tangent.

"Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:MEECd.450$v76.218@newsread3.news.pas.earthlin k.net... *Calinda* wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:58:14 GMT, Stephanie Stowe wrote "Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message Cal wrote (amongst other ramblings): Since I don't, as a habit, dodge anything, I answered. I don't know
what changed. !!! ROFLMAO !!! OK, that does it! I need a break, thanks for the laughs, Cal. But I gotta go grocery shopping now, dammit.

What did she dodge? She told you she does not know how her posting
expiration changed. What's up Bill? I knew you were psycho, but I thought
you were only psycho in the same way we all were. Are you just screwing
around and trolling?

"Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:MsECd.439$v76.229@newsread3.news.pas.earthlin k.net... Stephanie Stowe wrote: "Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:ZhECd.423$v76.79@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink .net... *Calinda* wrote:> On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:29:06 GMT, Bill in Co. wrote:>> Nothing to admit, Bill. I am not the one running around in any and
all> threads tossing off one liners, like you. I don't go around yelling> "bull****".. or "and you're surprised by that".. etc.. without ever adding> something real or substansive for the most part. Nooooo! But of course *CAL* has nothing to admit!! And you ALWAYS add something substantive, so I stand at your feet, begging for forgiveness. Lord Have Mercy. Wait, for some reason I am still reading these. Yea, I'll give ya a day or two to catch up first, ok? (rhetorical) What does Cal have to admit? Obviously NOTHING. (Ya know that movie, "Above The Law"? (Seagal)? posts after 6 days? Afraid of something? Is that a sin? Nope, Cal doesn't do sins. Only I do sins! Tell your troubles to the Chaplain. 2 doors down, turn left at the first exit, and you'll see it. I'll be waiting. Ooops, I'm the one going in. Sorry.

I never have any idea what you are saying when you talk like this, though I
can *feel* your blood pressure going up.
Again, you don't have to answer this, and you can dodge it as well.

Robin <me5@privacy.net> wrote:
"Emma Anne" <emma_anne@mac.com> wrote in message news:1gpv2vv.18dn1ryxd0btsN%emma_anne@mac.com... Robin <me5@privacy.net> wrote: He actually came to pick me up to take me to the store one time and half way there I said if you don't want to do this then don't...he did a U turn in the middle of the street and was taking me back home so fast my head was spinning!! That's an interesting tidbit. What do you mean?

I mean you gave him permission not to take you shopping, when you really
needed to go. Why?

*Calinda* <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote:
IMO, being catty is different than being sarcastic. And to me, your calling a woman (any woman) "catty" is derogatory in the first place. It is used soley against women, when there is a disagreement, as a way to minimize women.

Good point. If a person is catty you are free to disregard her.

Stephanie Stowe wrote: "Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message What's up Bill? I knew you were psycho, but I thought you were only psycho in the same way we all were.

Huh? Are we psychos now??? Hmmm. How did we get elevated to that
status?

"Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:_6YCd.1192$Pm6.950@newsread1.news.pas.earthli nk.net... Stephanie Stowe wrote: "Bill in Co." <surly1curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message What's up Bill? I knew you were psycho, but I thought you were only psycho in the same way we all were. Huh? Are we psychos now??? Hmmm. How did we get elevated to that status?

Everbody is a psycho in his or her own little whacked out way!

>> Cal wrote (amongst other ramblings): Since I don't, as a habit, dodge anything, I answered. I don't knowwhat changed. !!! ROFLMAO !!! OK, that does it! I need a break, thanks for the laughs, Cal. But I gotta go grocery shopping now, dammit.What did she dodge? She told you she does not know how her postingexpiration changed.

The "user xxx has requested this posting be removed from google" banners stick
out loud and clear when reading via a web browser. She might not know what
changed, could be her b/f changed her computer settings since he, too, now has
these removal notices. I remember (until eternity) that she once put herself
into her own killfile.

Back to the OP, if the same fuller info had been initially posted on asd, the
responses would sure have been different.

On Fri 07 Jan 2005 11:48:54p, Joe St. Lucas wrote:
She might not know what changed,

No, I don't know what changed and to be perfectly honest, I don't really
care. At this point, I haven't even bothered to look to see, other than
that the time was all messed up as well and I did fix that. Its curious
why this seems to bother some people, though. I tell ya, you'd think I
was the first/only person that google doesn’t archive.
could be her b/f changed her computer settings

My B/F has his own laptop and doesn't use mine at all. That, like my
wallet and purse are my own personal belongings.
since he, too, now has these removal notices. I remember (until eternity) that she once put herself into her own killfile.

No, not eternity, but for a little while, yes. Oh well.
Back to the OP, if the same fuller info had been initially posted on asd, the responses would sure have been different.

Yes, that was my point as well.
--
Cal~

Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

Joe St. Lucas wrote: Cal wrote (amongst other ramblings):> Since I don't, as a habit, dodge anything, I answered. I don't know
what> changed. !!! ROFLMAO !!! OK, that does it! I need a break, thanks for the laughs, Cal. But
I gotta go grocery shopping now, dammit. What did she dodge? She told you she does not know how her posting expiration changed. The "user xxx has requested this posting be removed from google" banners
stick out loud and clear when reading via a web browser. She might not know
what changed, could be her b/f changed her computer settings since he, too, now
has these removal notices. I remember (until eternity) that she once put
herself into her own killfile. Back to the OP, if the same fuller info had been initially posted on asd,
the responses would sure have been different.

One would think so. But then again, one might be having a moment of Great
Expectations, dashed once again. Pretty soon I'm gonna turn into a cynic.

*Calinda* wrote: On Fri 07 Jan 2005 11:48:54p, Joe St. Lucas wrote: She might not know what changed, No, I don't know what changed and to be perfectly honest, I don't really care.

I think it came in with The Creature From The Black Lagoon, if I'm not
mistaken.

On Sat 08 Jan 2005 12:03:53a, Bill in Co. wrote:
She might not know what changed, No, I don't know what changed and to be perfectly honest, I don't really care. I think it came in with The Creature From The Black Lagoon, if I'm not mistaken.

Ya know... in thinking about this more. I don't really know nor care
what changed on my settings and to be perfectly honest, I wish I could
go and remove many of my old posts from ASD from the early days
particularly.

Where is the law that says that everything we say has to be saved
forever? If there was a way to get rid of a lot of those really painful
posts I would. I knew they were archived but I didn't know how big
google would be and I think in hindsight I wish they weren't there for
eternity. --
Cal~

Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 04:48:54 GMT, You_know_jstlucas@stuff_hotmail.com
(Joe St. Lucas) wrote:

The "user xxx has requested this posting be removed from google" banners stickout loud and clear when reading via a web browser.

Well....that's nice to know, but unless Cal reads her own posts
through Google (and why would she do that?) she won't see the crap
that Google tacks on.

Lauri in WA

I like my email spamless

No, I don't know what changed and to be perfectly honest, I don't really care.I think it came in with The Creature From The Black Lagoon, if I'm notmistaken.

this is so silly!
I think The Tingler did it!!!
(remember that movie? TERRIFIED me for years!)

On 8 Jan 2005 05:09:48 GMT, "*Calinda*"
<CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote:

Where is the law that says that everything we say has to be savedforever?

A lot of people view the wish to not archive as somehow being ashamed
of one's words. (I don't necessarily agree with this point of view).
It's purely a personal preference, and really, who cares? You don't
*owe* archiving your posts to anyone.

Lauri in WA

I like my email spamless

In article <37sut0hgeknt4ahiaqg7pa5o8et68vc5p8@4ax.com>, res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net wrote:On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 04:48:54 GMT, You_know_jstlucas@stuff_hotmail.com(Joe St. Lucas) wrote:The "user xxx has requested this posting be removed from google" banners stickout loud and clear when reading via a web browser.Well....that's nice to know, but unless Cal reads her own poststhrough Google (and why would she do that?) she won't see the crapthat Google tacks on.

I find the new google setup for reading newsgroups to be annoying.
Maybe i'm just resistent to change or something, but i wish they had left it
alone. Plus, with the settings on my computer to make the fonts gigantic,
they overlap words and some are impossible to read.

In article <Xns95D81A84350419599491@130.133.1.4>, *Calinda*
<CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> wrote:
If there was a way to get rid of a lot of those really painful posts I would.

There is, actually, and I've done it when I accidentally posted
something to the wrong newsgroup with the wrong name in a way that
would have revealed my identify. (Blame Outlook, BTW, for not behaving
the way I expected it to.) It's relatively easy if you posted it with
a legitmate address, otherwise it takes manual intervention by the
Google staff, but they will do it. That's fine for one or two or
three, but if you wanted to nuke a whole bunch it'd be a lot of work.

I forget how to do it but the info is somewhere on the Google web site.

Ted

On Sat 08 Jan 2005 12:42:36a, Seeker wrote:
I forget how to do it but the info is somewhere on the Google web site.

Didn't use legitmate email addresses.. almost always munged... And I posted
a lot in the early days. I was really hurting back then.

But thanks.
--
Cal~

Calinda dot Letter S at Gmail dot com

mL wrote: No, I don't know what changed and to be perfectly honest, I don't really care. I think it came in with The Creature From The Black Lagoon, if I'm not mistaken. this is so silly! I think The Tingler did it!!! (remember that movie? TERRIFIED me for years!)

Well, it could have been the Borg that invaded her computer!

In article <NCJDd.16836$232.3627@fed1read05>,
You_know_jstlucas@stuff_hotmail.com (Joe St. Lucas) wrote:
Cal wrote (amongst other ramblings): > Since I don't, as a habit, dodge anything, I answered. I don't know > what changed.
What did she dodge? She told you she does not know how her postingexpiration changed. The "user xxx has requested this posting be removed from google" banners stick out loud and clear when reading via a web browser. She might not know what changed, could be her b/f changed her computer settings since he, too, now has these removal notices. I remember (until eternity) that she once put herself into her own killfile.

No, her b/f changed his settings, on his computer, after finding the way
to do it and reflecting on something Janie (Remember her?) told him
about her reasons for doing it. It is really none of anyone's business?

As far as him changing the settings, I don't believe he has touched said
computer except for transporting it on occasion. He has enough to do
with other's computers 45 to 50 hours a week.

As to what you consider important to remember, that is your business.

GGG

--
To contact me: GGGNH@yahoo.mail


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