Well, loser, his mother, and her married boyfriend brought the police to my house tonight. By God's grace, my dad had JUST left with my daughter and my grandson to go to his house not five minutes before they showed up with the police.

While out at their vehicle, I asked loser if he knew about this whole thing from the beginning. Very loud and very proud in the presence of the officer he said "Yes I did". Which means, as they were all living together, he just admitted that he withheld my daughters summons for the custody case.

Wouldn't that qualify for the five year federal prison time for tampering with the mail?......not to mention that it was a County Common Pleas Juvenile Court kind of mail he tampered with.

Freakmil was cussing me left and right. Swearing that my daughter and grandson were in my house. I told the officer he was free to search every inch of my house.

I will leave out the profanity here but I don't think the officer of color liked hearing freakmil call me a N loving whore. I just leaned over and said at least I'm not a convicted felon on probation and then I said a quick "hello" to the married boyfriend and let him know that I work with his wife. (he didn't know that) She's the housekeeper on my shift at work.

The officer told me that if I contacted my daughter, tell her that it would be better for her to cooperate and bring the child to them. About that time, freakmil made a statement that she was going to "Kill the little B if she didn't bring him now." Again, in front of the police officer and I just asked him if he were comfortable with a 15 month old being turned over to someone who just threatened the life of my daughter. At that point he made them leave.

I haven't been on for a while. I am so sorry about what has been going on!! Keep us posted. You, your daughter and grandson will be in my thoughts and prayers.

Well, I found this:

R.C. 3127.19 (Notice; Opportunity to be Heard; Joinder). This section combines current R.C. 3109.23 and 3109.28.

New R.C. 3127.19
(A) provides that before a child custody determination is made notice must be given to all persons entitled under Ohio law to notice of a
child custody proceeding, any parent whose parental rights have not been terminated, and any person having physical custody of the child.

K.. here's what I would do (haven't read your update on the other thread yet so this is just based on this one only). Keep your daughter and grandson on the move.. but away from your house. Have her stay a day here and day there with a friend, relative.. etc while your getting this all figured out.

I would wait a day or two and contact the police for a copy of the report from last night and see if the officer comments on her demeanor.

The next two things make sure your daughter goes with and does most of the talking so it comes from her and not you but: Attempt to go to the prosecutor's office with the proof of things in hand and check into the mail fraud or deception issues. Then (or when you have the police report) go to child protective services and speak to someone there. Explain the situation, the issues with the felonies on the grandma... etc... and file a report.. and possibly they can file for an emergency hearing to prevent the child from going back there.

K.. here's what I would do (haven't read your update on the other thread yet so this is just based on this one only). Keep your daughter and grandson on the move.. but away from your house. Have her stay a day here and day there with a friend, relative.. etc while your getting this all figured out.

I would wait a day or two and contact the police for a copy of the report from last night and see if the officer comments on her demeanor.

The next two things make sure your daughter goes with and does most of the talking so it comes from her and not you but: Attempt to go to the prosecutor's office with the proof of things in hand and check into the mail fraud or deception issues. Then (or when you have the police report) go to child protective services and speak to someone there. Explain the situation, the issues with the felonies on the grandma... etc... and file a report.. and possibly they can file for an emergency hearing to prevent the child from going back there.


I agree- the only change I would do- and I may have just read wrong- is I would get the police report, all your eveidence and file your emergency motion asap!!!!!! not in a few days- and at this point your daughter is between a rock and a hard place- so yes- keep her on the move, until she can be advised by her lawyer- and if the lawyer turns out to be a spineless weasel and tells her to turn the kid over- demand that he take whatever measures necessary to prevent that from having to happen.....

how did freakmil get the heads up to try to come and get the baby????

I guess because my daughter and the baby have been over here since Friday. During their relationship, only during times where he has broken up with her has she spent that or more of an amount of time away from him with the baby.

They argued Thursday night because he had blown most of his check trying to fix some piece of crap truck and the rent was due. During the argument, he brought up breaking up but didn't make her leave...then she found the papers the next day.

The attorney is supposed to be trying to get an emergency order filed and we're supposed to hear something around 1 or 2. It feels like the minutes are dragging on forever here. I hate feeling helpless. I feel so useless right now. I can't go out to my parents because I don't want anyone to follow me out there or have any proof I knew where she was or that we were in contact.

I guess because my daughter and the baby have been over here since Friday. During their relationship, only during times where he has broken up with her has she spent that or more of an amount of time away from him with the baby.

They argued Thursday night because he had blown most of his check trying to fix some piece of crap truck and the rent was due. During the argument, he brought up breaking up but didn't make her leave...then she found the papers the next day.

The attorney is supposed to be trying to get an emergency order filed and we're supposed to hear something around 1 or 2. It feels like the minutes are dragging on forever here. I hate feeling helpless. I feel so useless right now. I can't go out to my parents because I don't want anyone to follow me out there or have any proof I knew where she was or that we were in contact.



yes make sure she and baby are hidden til your attorney tells you to do something else- GOOD LUCK


hopefully the police are astute enough to put in the report what granny said about intercepting the summons and the threat to your daughter

ok what's the news?!?!?!? it's past 1 or 2 your time.......

It's going on 2:30 and I'm about to throw up. We haven't heard anything yet.:mad:

It's going on 2:30 and I'm about to throw up. We haven't heard anything yet.:mad:

don't suppose you happen to have your attorney's cell number huuh?

No. And, it's exH's attorney, mine was going to be tied up all day today in a criminal trial. At this point though, I don't care if it's the Easter Bunny as long as something gets filed today.

UGH!!! This is awful.

So far no word. "They are working on it." I did however speak to the officer that came to the house last night. I was hoping that he included the statement about when I asked the loser if he knew about this from the beginning and he said that he only put in the report that they came to my house to enforce a custody order and the child was not at the residence.

I told him that I had hoped that he included the statement that loser made admitting he knew about the case from the beginning. He said that he would be more than happy to testify because he was there, heard the entire question and the entire answer, and to tell my daughters attorney to just send him a subpoena. Yea for the good cop!!!

Now if the attorney would only get off her butt and get something filed TODAY.

YES SUBPOENA THAT COPPER!!!! good for him for doing the right thing!

Court closed 20 minutes ago. Nothing got filed. One more night of torture for my daughter. Yea.

Just talked to the office manager at the law firm and she needed to know the name of the officer. They hope to meet with him tonight so they can get a written statement about what he heard so they can present that with their motion in the morning.

Still, another night of torture and knowing that she would have no choice but to turn over my grandson if they show up at my parents home. Too much. Just too much.

is there any other place she could go??? and don' type it here- just in case.....but someplace that loser hasn't EVER been to or heard of like maybe your mom's third cousin twice removed?

I'm just thinking, you know they are sitting there trying to think up every possibilty of where she might be- granny's is a logical place.....

have her have an extra full bag of everything she and baby may need for 24 hours- and possibly an "early warning" system so if the po-po or freakmil are seen in the area she can get the heck outta dodge.....

sorry to be so alarmist- but once they get baby- who knows what will happen

Well Damn

Oh... btw.. the reason I said a few days was because you have to wait for the report from the officer to be available to pick up to have that but since he didn't put anything in it, really doesn't matter. That's great he's willing to testify.


Hang in there... it's going to take some time but it looks like they are all on the right track.

Well, her "attorney" has advised her to stay put. We do have options that wouldn't take her out of the county but she doesn't want to chance anything and score points for their side. My parents have put their vehicles out of sight so that it will appear that no one is home.

I do logically understand why she should stay put but the mother in me wants to tell her to run.

Freakmil and loser haven't tried to call either here, my parents, her cell, or her fathers house and no one has come to any of our houses. The good part about the part of the county where my parents live is that the county sheriff's office is notoriously understaffed there (2 or 3 deputy's) at night. Even if they do call them for an escort, they may not get one if there is anything going on.

My daughter apparently received a text message from freakmil this afternoon but she didn't get it until after 6.

The message was to the effect that my daughter: had until 4 today to bring my grandson to them or charges would be immediately filed with the prosecutor for contempt and kidnapping. Hum... guess what......Contempt has to be filed in one city (20 miles away) in Juvenile Court and and kidnapping has to be filed with our city prosecutor and he only has hours Tues and Thurs. His hours on Thurs aren't until the afternoon after 2 and by then WE SHOULD have our emergency custody order..........working with that logic does that mean we can file attempted kidnapping charges tomorrow? :p

Hope they don't go get him but it is clear they are flying in the dark with this stuff. See what a 10th grade education (for both of them) will get you?! My thought is that even if they do find them at my parents and take him, they would be too self satisfied with it, thinking they got over, and not bother to try to hide him. (hope anyway) But that is just their attitude.

I still suggest going and talking to CPS first thing also... explain everything... only this time I suggest that you do it... don't have your daughter move.. if they want to talk to her they can call her.

how can she be contempt of an order she has (as far as they are concerned) no knowledge of, or (as far as they are concerned) or has ever even seen the court order- part of contempt is willful disregard.....right now they can't prove that she is even aware that there is a court order

Well, the night came and went and no sheriff. YEAH!! We haven't heard anything more from the Freakmil Brain Trust. My daughter is at the attorneys office now signing the affidavits. The attorney is supposed to be in front of a judge by 11:00. Three motions:

Emergency Custody Order based on CivR 60. Relief From Judgment or Order; as there was a mistake of fact in the decision because it was based on my daughter failing to appear at the hearing "after having received notice by certificate of mailing". As proven by the documents in the case file, my daughter was never served, which is required for the hearing to have even taken place, the motion (custody order) is void. Also, as it has now been more than 6 months since the petition was filed, the case should be dismissed entirely (without prejudice) because there was a failure of service. (that according to the procedural rules for service)

Motion for Paternity, which is really going to get the Brain Trust going because this is what they were attempting to avoid. This establishes paternity after which child support and visitation will be determined. Whoops. Guess he's going to have to pay after all and since they tried to have custody by fraud, freakmil will be lucky if she can look at a picture of my grandson and loser will be lucky if he gets supervised visitation. His statement in front of the officer proves he was in on the whole scheme.

The third motion is a motion to find them guilty of perjury and fraud because they withheld her summons and kept all this secreted from her. Once that is ruled on, if proven, this part of the case gets sent to the county prosecutor who would then set up a hearing in front of a grand jury to determine criminal charges.

I hope everything goes smoothly. I'm just relieved they didn't come pick him up last night.

good luck!!! this was great news to see this morning! I'll have my fingers crossed for her!

Thanks Zephyr. I didn't want to keep you guys hanging. I know it bugs the crap out of me when we post to someone and they don't let us know how things are going.

Thanks for the update. I was thinking about y'all all night last night.

Tell your daughter that she has support all around the country. I know it won't help with the legal issues, but hopefully it will keep her spirits up (and yours, too) and give her the strength to hang in there.

Let us know what happens. I want to hear that these worthless creatures are slapped down. :mad:

I haven't heard anything yet....... Hey Mommyof4...what you been doin' gurl!!???

Any more tornados?

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/28/28_2_10.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxmk869DUUS) I haven't heard anything yet....... Hey Mommyof4...what you been doin' gurl!!???

Any more tornados?


Chasing kiddos and worrying about you. :)

Well, no Ts in my neighborhood. My parents have though (they live about 45 minutes away) oh, and we did have a storm with 92 mile/hr straight winds the other night. Yeah, that was interesting.

Just trying to decide if I am going to let A go for visitation this summer. He is supposed to be getting me the information as far as supervisors, etc. He has 3 more days...after that, it's "no".

11:30 your time......hopefully the attorney is at this moment earning his fees

Awwww...how cute. You know I like those little smiling buggers. I know you love me.:p

Nothin like waiting until the last minute for confimation on a visitation. :(

Nah...he doesn't really want her up there, but he has to go through the motions for appearances. He knows dang good and well that his odds are about 100000 to 1 that she is coming up there. It's just easier to let his family think I am an evil witch who has stolen "their baaaaby" from them. Never mind the fact that if I had my way, his loser butt would be in jail.

How long did the atty think this would take today, or did he not have any idea? I'm dying to know what's happening.

:confused: almost 2 oclock your time......almost 2.5 hours- does it really take this long???? Hoping we aren't hearing anything because you are busy celebrating:D

They have the emergency order. My daughter has temporary custody of her son. Freakmil will be served today after 5. There is a full hearing tomorrow morning.

God I hope this judge can see these people are lying trash. On my way to my daughter and my grandson now.

Pray for us for the hearing tomorrow.

One battle down, one to go.

At least she has the emergency order.

Keep faith. It will work out.

THANK GOODNESS!!!!!!

I don't even know you and I am so happy for you and your daughter I have tears in my eyes right now!!!!!!!

Congrats!

I haven't been commenting much, but I have been reading all this and I am so HAPPY that she at least has temporary custody and I hope that ALL goes in her/your favor tomorrow!

woooohooo!!!!!! Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This battle is won.... now on to the next

[QUOTE=Zephyr;892480]YES SUBPOENA THAT COPPER!!!! good for him for doing the right thing![/QUOTE

Zepher your very funny.

They have the emergency order. My daughter has temporary custody of her son. Freakmil will be served today after 5. There is a full hearing tomorrow morning.

God I hope this judge can see these people are lying trash. On my way to my daughter and my grandson now.

Pray for us for the hearing tomorrow.

Thank GOD!!! I actually just teared up when I read that. I was soooo worried. It will all work out. I will keep you guys in my thoughts and prayers tonight.

Thanks guys. You are so awesome. (not something I use in everyday language but you guys fit that word)

I went to the police department near her attorneys office and picked up some reports on Freakmil. I didn't get to read them all as I was in a hurry to pick up the emergency order. However, on the one I did glance at, it mentioned that at the time of that report (when loser would have been 10) that Freakmil's children were wards of the state.

So picked up the custody order and headed out to my parents house with the telephone recorder. My parents listed phone number has been the same for the last 40 years, so I doubt they would change it.

We then got a call from the attorney's office. They had to notify Freakmil of the hearing by phone. Apparently she wasn't real fast on the uptake of things because she kept yelling over and over again that she has custody and arguing with the office manager. About 30 minutes later, she was on the phone with the office manager again saying that her attorney wouldn't be available for the hearing tomorrow and it would need to be changed. That she would be there and she would bring the "papers" for a continuance. Guess what, you don't need "papers" to ask for a continuance. You go into court and say, "I haven't had time to consult with an (or my) attorney and I need a continuance to have representation present."


My son has a t-ball game now so I'll be back soon............

Hee hee.. Let her ask for a continuance because until then your daughter has custody!!! HA HA HA!! I love it when stupid people think they know how the law works!!!

Okay, back now.

Then, I get back home so my son can get ready for his game and there's a message from our police department's detective unit. Seems they met with the detective to report my grandson as being "kidnapped". The thing I'm not sure of is if her meeting with the detectives was before or after she knew about the order because the message was left at 3:40 and she was notified by then.

Loser sent a text to my daughter to tell her that "you have 30 days to come get your $hit and bring (grandson's) $hit back". Right. Like we really have to bring back the 3 days of clothes we snuck out of there. What are they going to need them for? (thinking positively now)

I feel like I am drowning in Jerry Springer-ville again. I thought DOT had issues. (wonder if they know each other)

I always say my life is a cross between a soap opera and a Lifetime movie. It sounds way better than Jerry Springer.

I feel like I am drowning in Jerry Springer-ville again. I thought DOT had issues. (wonder if they know each other)


Well, has Freakmil been spotted in the vacinity of DOT's haunts? (what was that sign, again? I can't remember, but I do remember that it was absolutely hillarious.)

Anywho...I agree with Suzy. Hope and pray that she is stupid enough to request a continuance. That should really tweak her a## when she figures out that your daughter will have custody the entire time she is postponing going to court.

Good gracious...who SPAWNS these people? :D

I always say my life is a cross between a soap opera and a Lifetime movie. It sounds way better than Jerry Springer.

Nah...Jerry Springer is more fun because if all else fails, you can just whoop the other person's butt.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/snugglefoot/smilies/jerry_smilie.gif

Nah...Jerry Springer is more fun because if all else fails, you can just whoop the other person's butt.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/snugglefoot/smilies/jerry_smilie.gif

yep- the full dive body tackle is always good for a laugh!:D

yep- the full dive body tackle is always good for a laugh!:D

The ever aggravating question I always have is WHY is it necessary to perform the "diva head bobble (with hand gestures)" and then get naked to fight? What, is that tank top just too restricting to throw a round house kick properly?:D

The ever aggravating question I always have is WHY is it necessary to perform the "diva head bobble (with hand gestures)" and then get naked to fight? What, is that tank top just too restricting to throw a round house kick properly?:D

LMAO You guys crack me up!!!

You guys are almost as hilarious as the proceedings this morning!!!!!!!!lollololol

Well, the Freakmil Brain Trust was in full force at the hearing today. Loser and married boyfriend accompanied Freakmil to the hearing.

So, we begin with the fact that loser and his mommy were inseparable. (Very good for my daughter to see, hard but good, exceptionally good for the magistrate to see) They sat together at the defense table and actually scooted the chairs closer to each other. If these people had even the slimmest chance to disprove our contention that they conspired to secretly take custody, they completely blew it today.

The magistrate opened with "We're here in the matter of ............, in response to an order giving custody of the child to alleged paternal grand...... and that's all he got out. She went OFF. "I'm not the ALLEGED grandmother; I AM the grandmother and blah blah blah blah. Slamming her "paperwork" down on the table. As the magistrate is trying to explain that he had no record of paternity being established (it hasn't) and that until that was proven she would be referred to as the "alleged paternal grandmother". I don't know if they actually heard what he was saying but he did try to explain it to them. They then tried to begin their "case" making all sorts of allegations. After a few minutes, he was able to stop them so he could go on.

The next part is when he asked her if she had an attorney and was he correct in his understanding that the attorney wouldn't be available until next Friday. In unison, they said yes we have an attorney. He then kind of hesitated and said that there were certain elements to the case that would prevent them from being represented by the same attorney (hello Brain Trust, remember Freakmil that you filed not only against my daughter but against your own son as well, try to focus, you're trying to pretend he wasn't in on this) Then he asked if the attorney was aware that he is expected to represent both of them..."Yea, he knows (puzzled look at each other) well we think he knows."

When they identified "their attorney", the magistrate told them to make sure, since he has not presented a case in Juvenile court to his (the magistrate's) knowledge that it is a "cattle call" type of docket were everyone is assigned either 8:30am or 1:00pm. Yup, "their attorney" is a criminal attorney, NOT even listed as someone who handles custody issues.

So as the magistrate is looking over his schedule they begin to insult my daughter and me. They start running their mouths about how many witnesses they have and blah blah blah...... the magistrate just let them, only occasionally shaking his head. My daughter started to get upset and started to say something back and I kicked the back of her chair. (I was sitting right behind she and her attorney so no one saw me except for my dad and the married boyfriend :rolleyes: ) I then leaned up to her and told her to just keep quiet and let them continue to make her case for us. The way they were acting, we shouldn't have much else to prove. Freakmil was saying most of the crap but loser just sat there rocking back and forth punctuation her craziness with YEAH!! UHUH! YEAH!!

So then, Freakmil says "Our attorney told us that we should set up visitation today so (grandson) won't miss his "Daddy" and his mamaw so much, you know, until all these lies are cleared up and he can come home." The magistrate just kind of looked at her like "what the hell are you talking about" and said, "No. I don't think that would be in the Childs best interest at all at this time." So then she wanted to argue with him about that. "Well my attorney said....." At which point the magistrate cuts her off and says "I have already made that decision and it will not be discussed further."

The magistrate sets the date for next Friday to hear the whole emergency motion and then says that all parties can leave the room to wait in the lobby for copies of today’s proceeding. They are so busy running their mouths they didn't even move. He said it again just as I followed my father, daughter, and attorney out of the courtroom and they still didn't leave the room, they only moved to sit at the back of the room and continued their tirades and boasting. We were already seated on the far side of the lobby before he could get them out of the room.

They finally came out of the courtroom but stay right next to the open doorway. Freakmil starts more of her ranting and ignorant claims as if the 30 or so people in the lobby with us had anything to do with deciding the case. She even said "Her mother (me) better watch out because she is coming for her next." Then she starts claiming "wait until they see their criminal records, concealed weapons (Freakmil) YEA!!(Loser), assault (Freakmil) YEA!!(loser), on and on and on....blah blah" Huh? I don't think you can have license to be an RN with anything on your record. State board will review your license if you even get a traffic ticket. My daughter and I, hell my whole family are the most boring people on the planet. Although, of our entire family, my daughter is the most criminal because she did get a speeding ticket when she was 16.:p From where I am sitting I had a straight view of the magistrate and he is shaking his head, pointing out the door towards them and laughing while talking to our attorney (as they waited for the clerk to bring the papers).

So then she starts talking about the child my daughter is carrying. “I know she’s pregnant…..wait till the court finds out about that!!!! I’m getting a restraining order now to protect that baby against her mother (me) so that baby doesn’t have to be in danger from that woman!! You can bet on that, she ain’t gonna ever see that baby!!!! My lawyer says I can get a restraining order on that baby!!!” lolololololololololol I had to laugh out loud on that one. She’s so screwed up. How in the world does she really expect to get a restraining order to protect an unborn child that currently resides in my daughter. Does she really think that anyone believed that crap!!!??!! FREAK!!!

So all and all an amusing day. Oh, and just before the hearing, Freakmil texted my daughter to ask if they could talk without all the lawyers present and that she knew that my daughter was pregnant. Apparently, loser never told his mother about the pregnancy and the night when they brought the police, when I said, "You're going to do this now? Now when she is 14 weeks pregnant??! I thought she looked a bit shocked but at the time, I thought that she probably thought I didn't know.

OMG.. I would have paid good money to have been in that courtroom!! That is hilarious. I love seeing someone run their mouth to a judge and make your case FOR you (my ex did that for me).

That is awesome that he wouldn't set up visitation. Now I would fight or argue for supervised (OMG that'll chap freakmil's ***!) on the bases of all this! hee hee

Dang...next time, we want a video. That is (as sad as this is) hilarious. Can you just imagine the magistrate going home and telling his wife (or whomever) about these "people"? (and I use that term in the loosest sense of the word.)

Anyway, at least you can be 99.99999% sure that your daughter will have no problem Friday. If nothing else, it should be dismissed the minute they walk through the door, as at this point, she is NOT the legal grandmother.

What idiots. I just have to wonder how people this stupid and vile managed to survive and procreate. You would think they're genus would be extinct due to genetic stupidity and the nasty habit of eating their young. :rolleyes:

Will it be the same magistrate next time? God, I want to send you a webcam to set up in the room so we can all tune in with popcorn......

your daughter should start allowing you to pre-screen suitors and their families. Take her to the spa, she needs one after going through pregnant.

I must say that was great reading!!! You know if Court TV started having demestics cases on their channel I bet their ratings would be of the charts.

so kiddo gets to legally stay with mom until the hearing next friday?

please please sneak a camera in- you can pay for her lawyer by charging us pay-per-view on it, I'd pay to watch what's gonna happen next friday!:cool:

Sad isn't it. Yes, we will be in front of the same magistrate next week. Coincidentally, this is the same magistrate that presided over terminating DOT's parental rights to Little Bit's younger brother. I think he likes to let people hang themselves and I think that's why he doesn't stop their rantings. (remember the hearing last Aug or Sept involving DOT and the whole wardrobe change thing that DOT did during the lunch break) This guy doesn't miss a thing. He will call you on your crap when it comes down to it. Nor does he forget easily. We had him with DOT on the second hearing and the last two. He remembered things that weren't in the documents from that second hearing and he called her on them at the last hearing she attended (she didn't come to the final hearing).

Yes, kiddo is with his mama. :D No visitation. The magistrate even made limited comment as to their status as "alleged" family members needing to establish paternity before visitation would normally be considered. Again....:D

I just got back from meeting with the police detective. Apparently she was told that Freakmil and Loser "feared for the child's life". I spent a couple of hours going over the records I've collected on them, including Freakmil's felony probation paperwork, the case file, today's custody hearing and such. She said that hopefully the court will acknowledge the mistake that was obviously made and she felt that if they (The Freakmil Brain Trust) were honest (like that's going to happen) with whoever they are trying to get to represent them, they would be hard pressed to find anyone willing. Kidnapping case closed.

I wish I could record this stuff. It really is incredible to see sometimes. Some people are just scary as hell. Kind of like cockroaches. Refusing to evolve and yet will outlive us all.

This will truly be a Happy Mother's Day for you and your daughter, thank goodness!

After going through so much bad news and stress myself over the last few days, I really needed some cheering up.

This is fantastic news, and I'm so happy for you and your family that I'm literally crying. This has renewed my belief that there really is justice out there, and I'm just so happy for you, congrats.

Congrats to your daughter!! And KUDOS to you for being such a wonderful Mother and Grandmother!!!!! I just got through reading this whole thread...fascinating reading...!!
Is there a thread that will give me some more back-round?? I looked up your threads and nothing "jumped" out at me...:)

The first part of the situation with my daughter is in this thread:
http://laborlawtalk.com/showthread.php?t=176214

All of this stuff happened since Friday the 4th of this month.

I'm so comforted to have such support here. You truly are friends in every sense of the real meaning of friendship, cyber or not.

Xena, I'm sorry that you're going through some things. Is there anything we can do?

They have the emergency order. My daughter has temporary custody of her son. Freakmil will be served today after 5. There is a full hearing tomorrow morning.

God I hope this judge can see these people are lying trash. On my way to my daughter and my grandson now.

Pray for us for the hearing tomorrow.

YAAAA! Sorry I missed this thread! I was praying as soon as I started to read it! We are here for you OSM!!!

Okay, back now.

Then, I get back home so my son can get ready for his game and there's a message from our police department's detective unit. Seems they met with the detective to report my grandson as being "kidnapped". The thing I'm not sure of is if her meeting with the detectives was before or after she knew about the order because the message was left at 3:40 and she was notified by then.

Loser sent a text to my daughter to tell her that "you have 30 days to come get your $hit and bring (grandson's) $hit back". Right. Like we really have to bring back the 3 days of clothes we snuck out of there. What are they going to need them for? (thinking positively now)

I feel like I am drowning in Jerry Springer-ville again. I thought DOT had issues. (wonder if they know each other)

BA HA HA HA HA HA HA! :D :p

The first part of the situation with my daughter is in this thread:
http://laborlawtalk.com/showthread.php?t=176214

All of this stuff happened since Friday the 4th of this month.

I'm so comforted to have such support here. You truly are friends in every sense of the real meaning of friendship, cyber or not.

Xena, I'm sorry that you're going through some things. Is there anything we can do?

OSM, we are more than just cyber friends, if you truely needed anything, I would find a way to let you be able to contact me. I am so truely happy! I don't know if I am crying from laughing so hard, or crying because I am so happy at this outcome! You know when a judge is pointing and laughing, that there IS something to laugh about,FREAKMILL AND FAMILY! They should become winners of the Darwin Award sometime in thier probably short lived lives. They seem like the type of people that would light a match to look into a gas barrel!:rolleyes:

Happy Mothers Day!!!

I'm so comforted to have such support here. You truly are friends in every sense of the real meaning of friendship, cyber or not.

Xena, I'm sorry that you're going through some things. Is there anything we can do?

I feel the same way, thank you for your support. Things are getting better, I guess I was just a "little" stressed out the other day, but I'm doing better now. I do value my friends here also, and you all help cheer me up when my depression kicks in, even though you may not be aware of it.
Xena:)

Well, my daughter went to the county to pick up Loser's arrest record for Non-Support of Dependents. Guess what!!!!!!! Freakmil has an arrest record for DUS, Failure to Comply, Bad Checks, and............an active warrant for Non-Support of Dependents!!!!! Yes, Freakmil has a warrant for not paying her child support!!

Our attorney is arranging for her to be arrested on the warrant at the end of the hearing on Friday.:D :D :D

This S*** is just too good!! lol

Well, my daughter went to the county to pick up Loser's arrest record for Non-Support of Dependents. Guess what!!!!!!! Freakmil has an arrest record for DUS, Failure to Comply, Bad Checks, and............an active warrant for Non-Support of Dependents!!!!! Yes, Freakmil has a warrant for not paying her child support!!

Our attorney is arranging for her to be arrested on the warrant at the end of the hearing on Friday.:D :D :D

oh man- it can't get much better than that!:D

Oh I wish you guys could be there to see it with me. Wonder if this is going to be a deal breaker for her probation, seeing as non-support is a felony and all.:( :rolleyes: :p :D

This stuff is better then the Mary Higgins Clark book I'm reading!!!

Just when I thought it could NOT get any better!! This is great hon, everything is working in your favor! Way to go!!!!

Okay, I will be there this afternoon with a camera crew. This is beyod weird. It would make a really great "reality" show (I say "reality" because it doesn't seem that Freakmil is aquainted with that concept). I'll be woking on the title.

How's your daughter doing? The baby (both :D ) doing okay?

Well, my daughter went to the county to pick up Loser's arrest record for Non-Support of Dependents. Guess what!!!!!!! Freakmil has an arrest record for DUS, Failure to Comply, Bad Checks, and............an active warrant for Non-Support of Dependents!!!!! Yes, Freakmil has a warrant for not paying her child support!!

Our attorney is arranging for her to be arrested on the warrant at the end of the hearing on Friday.:D :D :D

Oh...To be a fly on the wall!!! :cool:

They are doing well. He's completely fine with being at his GG's house. Lots of yard and lots of toys. She's getting stronger every day. Yesterday was a huge boost for her. I think she's going to be okay. I know it will be hard on her to raise her son and have this baby and know she can never trust their father again. She's really beating herself up about how much trust she placed in these "people". All we can do is reassure her that she isn't the one who caused this.

Funny thing... my grandson stopped saying daddy and his term for Freakmil before the end of the first day away from them. Imagine that, seeing as Freakmil is claiming that SHE has raised him since he came home from the hospital and my daughter only had him "a few minutes per week". BS

This morning, my family, my exH's family, and I are coordinating downloading photos to disc to make an album for court. It saddens me that we are needing to use our family's photographs as evidence in court to prove these people are insane. Sadder still that I find myself thinking "damn, if I had only taken pictures of him every time they were here". Who would or could have known that we would need to do this?

Later on this afternoon, we will be going to our county's Sheriff's office to get the records there and two more police jurisdictions to get arrest and incident reports there. Then to a couple of local courts to get records there. Then to the main offices of her employer to get her employment records. Then to the garage that serviced her car and determined the motor was locked up to see if they have that record of service. Once her car was out of commission, she was left to his mercy to be allowed to use his. Otherwise, it was a call from her asking for a ride so she and the baby could come over.

As far as court on Friday, I'm going to be taking notes during the proceeding so I can remember all the crazy things they say. I cannot wait to see her cuffed up and hauled off. Can't wait to see the look on their faces. Not usually my nature to be excited about seeing bad things happen to people but they deserve every single thing that is coming to them. My daughter put her complete love and trust into this jerk and his family and the used that in a way only truly sick people could have imagined.

Ohio "Step" Mom - I am new here and just reading everything you and your daughter are doing to protect her son and the future of the baby in her belly is awesome -- you are a wonderful person for helping your daughter. I have a mom just like you and I appreciate her everyday! I just can not believe some people like the other grandmother could lose custody of their kids - they just don't get that kids are a gift I guess... Take a picture of the crazy woman getting arrested so you will have that to add to the photo albums you take to court! Good Luck! Please tell us what happens. -- this seriously needs to be made into a Lifetime Made for tV Movie! I know there are a lot of women here who would watch! Take care!

Ohio "Step" Mom - I am new here and just reading everything you and your daughter are doing to protect her son and the future of the baby in her belly is awesome -- you are a wonderful person for helping your daughter. I have a mom just like you and I appreciate her everyday! I just can not believe some people like the other grandmother could lose custody of their kids - they just don't get that kids are a gift I guess... Take a picture of the crazy woman getting arrested so you will have that to add to the photo albums you take to court! Good Luck! Please tell us what happens. -- this seriously needs to be made into a Lifetime Made for tV Movie! I know there are a lot of women here who would watch! Take care!

Yep, she's pretty great.:)

Yep, she's pretty great.:)

I second that! It is also nice to see the law at work!! People on this site, who come to visit, and read, need to know, the law does work, even though it is slow, and sometimes not so fair, everything happens for a reason. I imagine that the relationship between OSM and her daughter has become even more close, you can't buy that even with a mastercard!!:p

With today's added Sheriff reports and jail records, we have proven our case for conspiracy to avoid child support. Loser was arrested on a warrant for non-support on Thursday, November 2, 2006 (regarding his twin sons). He was bailed out by Freakmil AND my daughter on Sunday, November 5, 2006. Freakmil filed her petition for custody of my grandson on Monday, November 6, 2006. Coincidence? I don't think so. I wonder what their explanation about that will be?

The only thing left now is what the transcript of the Febuary 1st hearing will tell us, who testified to what, and who will be joining Freakmil in the handcuff parade.

I really don't think I am anything special as a mom (where is a blushing smiley when you need one). I just love my children. If they do wrong, they know not to ask me for help getting out of it. If they have been wronged, watch the hell out.;)

I know it's one more day until the hearing, but I can't wait to hear how it goes! I'm certainly pulling for you and your daughter! Although, I'm pretty sure with the way things are going, you don't need any help pulling! ;)

Good luck!!!

Well, the long extended Emergency hearing is this morning at 8:30. We spent all day yesterday working on a time-line of events (who lived where / when / who had a job / when / etc.... We compiled our final summaries of court / police / arrest information.

I think we're as prepared as possible. I guess we now have to trust in the legal system. That scares the bageebies out of me. I think we've found enough evidence to at least question the character of these people but who knows. There were some things that were ruled on in our case against DOT that had my head swimming at times and we are dealing with the same court.

I am worn out physically, emotionally, and mentally from all this. I'm sure my daughter is 10 times worse. She is devastated that he and his "mother" would do this to her. I fear she is feeling weak again. We were going through our family albums and picking out pictures for the album for court. As we were putting them in, she just sat there and wept. She would have done anything in the world for these lowlifes. I hope today brings good news. I don't know if she could handle having to turn him over to them. I don't know if I could.

Though, technically, the order should have never been put into place, I doubt the magistrate will issue a summary judgement today. The Juvenile court doesn't act that swiftly. I feel we have more than enough evidence to dispute every one of their claims in any future hearings. but this is the one that worries me. They allow "hearsay" to be entered at this hearing (shelter care hearing). Who knows what they will say and if they have an attorney now, how much will the attorney be able to keep a lid on the craziness. The court needs to see the craziness. Thank goodness the same magistrate will be presiding today as was there last Friday.

Well, got to get ready now. Prayers please.

OSM

This was one long day. Partially because as a witness, I couldn't be in there for most of the hearing. So this is what I heard in person and from my daughter and this is what I saw:

Freakmil and the Brain Trust + 1 (Freakmil's former fiance' was there) and the criminal attorney all huddled together in the lobby when we got there. My daughter, father and I went to the other side of the lobby and sat with our attorney. There were 3 cases heard before we were to go in.

We got in the courtroom and the deputy needed to go to the bathroom so we had to go back out until another case was heard. This tipped them off about the warrant. Dang!!!! Her attorney went and asked why the deputy had to be present during the hearing and the other deputy told him about the warrant for freakmil. All color drained from her face when she came out of the little counsel room with her attorney. Funny thing is that the child support she didn't pay was for Loser.

Half an hour later we were called in again. Loser wasn't aware that he was supposed to go in and the magistrate had to send the court clerk out to find him and bring him in. At this point they asked for separation of witnesses so my father and I, and their two witnesses were sent out to wait. That was the worst part of everything. Sitting out in the lobby knowing my daughter was being put through hell.

The story that Freakmil was telling was that she alone had cared for my grandson from the day he came home from the hospital and that my daughter and her son never supported or cared for him at all. Since this was a hearing based primarily on hearsay, the evidence we had about my daughter taking my grandson to all his immunizations and well child checks, as well as to the ER were not accepted then.

They called my father in and he testified that she and the baby had lived with he and my mother for the first couple of months. He also testified that my daughter had frequently brought the baby up to their house after moving out and that up until these court hearings, he had never laid eyes on or talked to Freakmil.

Then they called me and her attorney tried to stop me from telling of my experiences with Freakmil and Loser. He stuck his foot in his mouth when he asked how I felt about Freakmil and then why I felt that way. I told them about her texting my daughter after Loser broke up with my daughter to tell my daughter about who he was out with and how cute they looked together (my daughter was 8 1/2 months pregnant at the time). Then I told them of her threatening me and threatening to get custody of the baby at that time.

Then he tried to question me about how I would know the condition of the trailer they lived in or the house she lived in until March since their claim was that I had never set foot in either. I then proceeded to describe both places (and the ex fiance's house) down to what color the bathrooms were and where the washer and dryer were located. I then told them that I had photos of the trailer and the next house on my cell phone because I was there on occasion and took pictures of my grandson. The magistrate then asked to see the photos and commented on the condition of their abodes in not so favorable a way (When they asked me what conditions I gave the accurate example of somewhat worse than a kennel because at least at a kennel, they rinse the stalls on occasion) He also commented that it seemed that my grandson knew not only my daughter but also me and that the interaction in the pictures wouldn't occur if we were the strangers to him that they were claiming.

Then they tried to argue that my daughter wouldn't take my grandson to the doctor's office when he was sick. I said then (the hospital) must be falsifying records because they had 11 records of care, all consents signed by my daughter, none signed by either Loser or Freakmil. After this the magistrate asked to see the records. nanny nanny boo boo

Then I was asked if I knew of any other incidents surrounding the filing of Freakmil's petition and I told them about Loser's arrest for child support on Thursday, release on Sunday and her filing the petition Monday morning. The magistrate just kind of looked over his glasses at them and shook his head.

So then there was another break for another case and since their witnesses hadn't testified yet, Freakmil and Loser were not to talk to them. FIRST THING they did was go straight to their "witnesses" and openly talked about the case, with their attorney present and participating. They were so wrapped up in their discussion of our testimony they didn't even notice the court clerk standing next to them. Freakmil and the Brain Trust +1 then all exited the building for a smoke break.

We went back in and the clerk was already on the stand and testified as to their conversations and that they had, as a group went out of the building for 20 minutes before returning. Idiots.

The magistrate only heard the testimony of the ex fiance'. However the only part of his testimony that was accepted was when he said my daughter and my grandson regularly spent the night in the same home (Freakmil tried to say that never happened). Either she with him or he would come to where she was. SOoooo..... Her own witness made her out to be the liar we knew she was. The magistrate didn't even want to hear the testimony of the married boyfriend.

Outcome is that my grandson stays with my daughter and they can have every other weekend. Unfortunately, it isn't supervised but all exchanges (per the magistrate "given the current and past behavior of Freakmil and her current legal issues") are to take place in the police lobby. It sucks they have visitation, but honestly, I don't think they will do anything to hurt him. If they are stupid enough to screw up this badly in court even with an attorney present, I can only imagine what will occur at the police station.:rolleyes:

The next hearing isn't until late August.

When the hearing was over..... ah..... the look on her face and the shouts of injustice as she was cuffed and led off to the holding cell were PRICELESS. Just broke my little heart...:D

wooohooo!!!! job well done MOM!!!!!!

Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! Wicked AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:cool: :cool: :D :cool:

That's wonderful. Now, try to relax, maybe soak in a bubblebath for awhile. You deserve to pamper yourself.:)

Oooooh Yes Mom!! I think you and your daughter deserve to go to a spa, and get pampered to the hilt!! Facial, pedicure, manicure, massage, the works!!:p I am proud of all of you, and am so glad of the outcome! I would have paid to see that "sheman" dragged away in cuffs!! Tee hee hee hee hee!!

So, so great! Next time I have legal issues, I'm hauling your fanny south to come take care of it. Good job and congrats to your daughter. :D

Idiots just don't learn. They are sending threats via text to my daughter and there have been three cars pull up in front of my house and stop. This is NOT a "thru" street. Guess it's time to start building the case for the restraining orders and stopping the visitation before it even starts.

Seriously? I don't know why I even question anymore. Poor you, poor daughter, poor kiddos. Go get 'em.

Their current behavior is FANTASTIC!!!

The judge will absolutely LOVE the fact you guys are being threatened and harrassed the day of the hearing.

File on Monday... with the same judge. Trust me... he won't think this is a very funny joke.

They say stupidity isn't illegal... let's prove them wrong.

Idiots just don't learn. They are sending threats via text to my daughter and there have been three cars pull up in front of my house and stop. This is NOT a "thru" street. Guess it's time to start building the case for the restraining orders and stopping the visitation before it even starts.

What kind of threats?

Point a camcorder out your front window and try and catch them on tape...

That we better watch out, watch our backs, we don't know what we've started, blah blah blah.

The officer just left from taking the report. I had my daughter take the long way here from work to pick up my grandson.

I hate this crap and at the same time, they are digging themselves deeper.

That we better watch out, watch our backs, we don't know what we've started, blah blah blah.

The officer just left from taking the report. I had my daughter take the long way here from work to pick up my grandson.

I hate this crap and at the same time, they are digging themselves deeper.

My GOD! What idiots! Please be careful...Is the text from the mother or the ex or both?

Nope, just from the rest of the Brain Trust, Loser's sisters and his friends. Thing is, his sisters live in the house with him and the house she claims to still be living. I guess they think if they don't personally threaten us we can't do anything. Guess they aren't thinking too far ahead on this one either. My grandson won't likely be going to a house where some of the family are threatening us. I could be wrong but I don't think the judge is going to like that very much.

Nope, just from the rest of the Brain Trust, Loser's sisters and his friends. Thing is, his sisters live in the house with him and the house she claims to still be living. I guess they think if they don't personally threaten us we can't do anything. Guess they aren't thinking too far ahead on this one either. My grandson won't likely be going to a house where some of the family are threatening us. I could be wrong but I don't think the judge is going to like that very much.

I hope your grandchild takes after your side of the family....Cause these people are just dumb! Are they inbred? Is their Grandfather also their father and 1st cousin? Do they play banjos? Are they slack-jawed yokels? Is the family car a 78 Ford truck painted primer gray?:p

OSM, be very, very careful. These people are beyond stupid. They sound dangerous.

By the by...how's lil bit doing? We've been so (rightfully) concerned about this situation that I haven't even asked about her in a while.

She's doing great. She's all excited about going to preschool in the fall. She's getting big and bossy. lol Her mom still hasn't tried to see her or ask about her. Still waiting out the continuance for her adoption. Supposedly we can begin again shortly after the beginning of June. My exH is on the, "okay, I'll give my consent" tip for now. Guess we'll see come July if he sticks to it.

God, let's hope so! How great would that be? :)

They are so much fun when the start "school". My two youngest monsters are very insistent that they do NOT go to preschool. They go to school. There is something very wrong with a 4 year old and a 2 year old making up their own homework assignments. They just cannot be my kids. I did everything in my power to deny that homework was actually a real concept.

I know what you mean. Little Bit and my son are in a battle of "no she isn't going to ride my bus / yes I am going to ride your bus", lol. Actually, she will ride her own bus and she know's it but she is torturing her big brother.

So here's our plan for the weekend:

My parents next door neighbors, well the husband, is actually the married boyfriends boss (by two levels up) and he is going to have a talk with him about reigning in Freakmil and the Brain Trust. When you work in a steel mill and you are two years shy of retirement, and you get called in by your bosses boss, you tend to listen to reason. My daughter and grandson are at my parents house. The plan is that my other kids will spend the weekend with them and I will be working tonight and Sunday night. If they are going to pull anything, they will have to get past "security" at my parents house (mom and dad have lived in the same place out in the country for 35 years, everyone looks out for each other and everyone knows what cars belong and which ones don't and everyone has guns:rolleyes: ) and for me, there are security and cameras everywhere at the hospital. Because of the shift and department I work, we park in the MD's lot and security has 4 cameras and a booth right next to it. I think we will be okay and that will get us at least through the weekend.

I know what you mean. Little Bit and my son are in a battle of "no she isn't going to ride my bus / yes I am going to ride your bus", lol. Actually, she will ride her own bus and she know's it but she is torturing her big brother.

So here's our plan for the weekend:

My parents next door neighbors, well the husband, is actually the married boyfriends boss (by two levels up) and he is going to have a talk with him about reigning in Freakmil and the Brain Trust. When you work in a steel mill and you are two years shy of retirement, and you get called in by your bosses boss, you tend to listen to reason. My daughter and grandson are at my parents house. The plan is that my other kids will spend the weekend with them and I will be working tonight and Sunday night. If they are going to pull anything, they will have to get past "security" at my parents house (mom and dad have lived in the same place out in the country for 35 years, everyone looks out for each other and everyone knows what cars belong and which ones don't and everyone has guns:rolleyes: ) and for me, there are security and cameras everywhere at the hospital. Because of the shift and department I work, we park in the MD's lot and security has 4 cameras and a booth right next to it. I think we will be okay and that will get us at least through the weekend.

I wish you the best of luck there! What did the officer say that took the report? Does your daughter have a cell phone, so if they show up anywhere, exspecially following her in thier car, that she can call 9-1-1? Did you show the officer the messages. Gosh, these people are just Jerry Springer material!! I agree that no one but the residing judge on this case should hear your request for a restraining order. I just hope he is the one that issues them! Here, there are certain judges for traffic tickets, criminal law, and restraining orders and stalking orders. If you have the option of the two, get a stalking order, it does not just say that they can't come around you, or your daughter, it includes your whole family, so they can not even contact another family member, or a friend, to pass on a message! It is very very thourough, and I could see this stupid family thinking it is ok to threaten you through someone else!:rolleyes: I agree with the above statement, they are not just studip, they are borderline very very dangerous! They obviously do not have the part of the brain that says this is enough, or I am going to far, so I would be on constant guard! Get a camera, or cam corder, and go out, when those cars come on your block, and let them see you taking pictures of thier liscense plates, they will stop coming into your street! Give these pics to your lawyer, and see what he wants to do with them (since you can not prove that they are there in the other familys behalf). See if you can get the officers cell phone number, so you can forward these messages to him/her as you recieve them. Do you have a way of saving them, my phone automatically erases them after a certain amount of time. Make sure yours keeps them long enough. Good luck hon, I am praying alot for you and your family! Oh, and the kid stuff, it does not change as they grow older lol! My teen age daughters ended up going to two different schools, because they did not want to go to the same school lol! My oldest felt embarrased by her freshman sister, she was way popular. The youngest took some friends, so she went to another school, I have to admit, they became real close, when they did not see each other every day at school. Go figure, kids.;)

Well the first weekend of the visitation has now come and gone.

Drop off: Freakmil is there but no loser. Only married BF in the car waiting. Freakmil is waiting in the lobby of the police department. My daughter and I arrive and as soon as we walked into the lobby, in her loudest voice with about 30+ people around, "Are you sure the baby is (Loser's)? I didn't do anything wrong. GS deserves so much more than this. I didn't do anything wrong. You owe me. I didn't do anything wrong." I just kept saying to her and my daughter "Lets just do the exchange and be done. We have nothing to say to you." My daughter is crying as she is handing over GS to Freakmil who continues to defend herself. I then open the door for my daughter to leave and am about to follow her as Freakmil grabs my arm and continues to insist she did nothing wrong. I turned around and said let go of me now or be arrested. Then she starts becoming irate. If she wasn't holding my grandson at the time I don't think I would have controlled my actions or words. I stopped myself after "You pulled some low-down sneaky....." and then I kept walking because I knew the longer I gave her an audience, the more she would act up. Normally, that would have been fine and I would have let her, but then again, she was holding my GS at the time.

Pick up was smoother as we had one of the deputies stand next to us. Kind of put a kink in her plan I think because she literally stomped off to the BF's car.

However, she did return him in a size 3-6 month outfit with poop flowing out of the sides of the diaper. Nice. (He is nearly 16 months old and over 23 lbs) She created a Myspace page for him that has his picture and how much she "loves her baby". Used an expired inappropriate medication on the yeast infection on his groin despite the fact we sent a new tube of the appropriate medication. Loser sent my daughter an email calling her every name in the book. More threats via the rest of the Brain Trust..........blah blah blah.

We got him back. I'm just glad about that. The rest, we'll keep saving for court. Hopefully there won't be many more unsupervised visits.

Well the first weekend of the visitation has now come and gone.

Drop off: Freakmil is there but no loser. Only married BF in the car waiting. Freakmil is waiting in the lobby of the police department. My daughter and I arrive and as soon as we walked into the lobby, in her loudest voice with about 30+ people around, "Are you sure the baby is (Loser's)? I didn't do anything wrong. GS deserves so much more than this. I didn't do anything wrong. You owe me. I didn't do anything wrong." I just kept saying to her and my daughter "Lets just do the exchange and be done. We have nothing to say to you." My daughter is crying as she is handing over GS to Freakmil who continues to defend herself. I then open the door for my daughter to leave and am about to follow her as Freakmil grabs my arm and continues to insist she did nothing wrong. I turned around and said let go of me now or be arrested. Then she starts becoming irate. If she wasn't holding my grandson at the time I don't think I would have controlled my actions or words. I stopped myself after "You pulled some low-down sneaky....." and then I kept walking because I knew the longer I gave her an audience, the more she would act up. Normally, that would have been fine and I would have let her, but then again, she was holding my GS at the time.

Pick up was smoother as we had one of the deputies stand next to us. Kind of put a kink in her plan I think because she literally stomped off to the BF's car.

However, she did return him in a size 3-6 month outfit with poop flowing out of the sides of the diaper. Nice. (He is nearly 16 months old and over 23 lbs) She created a Myspace page for him that has his picture and how much she "loves her baby". Used an expired inappropriate medication on the yeast infection on his groin despite the fact we sent a new tube of the appropriate medication. Loser sent my daughter an email calling her every name in the book. More threats via the rest of the Brain Trust..........blah blah blah.

We got him back. I'm just glad about that. The rest, we'll keep saving for court. Hopefully there won't be many more unsupervised visits.


There is a RO correct? If so did you report the e-mail to the police?

Good for you for not giving in to the unimaginable need to clock freakmil....The woman is horrible and I am sure, unless she were to receive and infusion of brains (BAAAHAHAHAAHAH), that her stupidity will loose her the visitation soon...;)

There is a RO correct? If so did you report the e-mail to the police?

Good for you for not giving in to the unimaginable need to clock freakmil....The woman is horrible and I am sure, unless she were to receive and infusion of brains (BAAAHAHAHAAHAH), that her stupidity will loose her the visitation soon...;)

I agree, you should document every word, and take notes on how she grabbed your arm, when she was holding the grandson. I would consider adding her to the RO, if she is not on it allready. I am so sorry you have to go through this. How did your daughter hold up, when they had her son? Did you report the email to the police? With him violating the restraining order so soon, I don't give it very long before it is supervised visits only!!

We're working on the RO. Gathering evidence and so forth. Taking notes. Gathering witness statements. Since my co-worker happened to be there for her own exchange, she and her mother saw and heard everything.

The threats have been reported to the police, as well as the drive-bys. We're going to drop off the e-mails and myspace documents with the attorney tomorrow. We did take pictures and of course plan to show the attorney the outfit he came home in.

My daughter was a complete mess of anxiety and tears the whole way to the police station and for a couple of hours after. Combine that with the embarrassment of the things Freakmil said during the exchange, she was pretty shaken all weekend. When it was time to pick him up we drove separately just in case they were late because I needed to go to work. I swear she drove 50mph through town to get there.

We're working on the RO. Gathering evidence and so forth. Taking notes. Gathering witness statements. Since my co-worker happened to be there for her own exchange, she and her mother saw and heard everything.

The threats have been reported to the police, as well as the drive-bys. We're going to drop off the e-mails and myspace documents with the attorney tomorrow. We did take pictures and of course plan to show the attorney the outfit he came home in.

My daughter was a complete mess of anxiety and tears the whole way to the police station and for a couple of hours after. Combine that with the embarrassment of the things Freakmil said during the exchange, she was pretty shaken all weekend. When it was time to pick him up we drove separately just in case they were late because I needed to go to work. I swear she drove 50mph through town to get there.


Keep your chins up, as you know they will dig thier own grave on this matter! Time and patients, and lots of documenting lol! I will be praying for you and your family!!;)

is the visitation for DAD or for GMA? how is the temp order worded? do you actually have to release the child to freakmil?

Visitation is with Freakmil and dad has visitation when Freakmil does. Yes, we actually have to hand him over to her in the lobby of the police station.

The other part of this is my daughter is still a mess. The magistrate put in the order that if she moves from my parents home, the court would entertain an emergency order giving custody back to Freakmil (at first I was glad about this because it forces her to stay away from loser). Trouble is that now they won't quit driving past my house and following her. She is scared to death. Truly she is. She can't sleep. She isn't eating right. She's afraid to go anywhere alone. She is crying all the time.

She has an appointment with her attorney about all this tomorrow. I hope something can be done.

Visitation is with Freakmil and dad has visitation when Freakmil does. Yes, we actually have to hand him over to her in the lobby of the police station.

The other part of this is my daughter is still a mess. The magistrate put in the order that if she moves from my parents home, the court would entertain an emergency order giving custody back to Freakmil (at first I was glad about this because it forces her to stay away from loser). Trouble is that now they won't quit driving past my house and following her. She is scared to death. Truly she is. She can't sleep. She isn't eating right. She's afraid to go anywhere alone. She is crying all the time.

She has an appointment with her attorney about all this tomorrow. I hope something can be done.

This is definately stalking!! Get a stalking order, if they are available in your state, the difference between a stalking order, and a restraining order is, the restraining order only protects who is on it. The stalking order, is much more stringent in making sure there is no communication between them, they can not even call a friend, and have that friend deliver a message to your daughter!! Have you been taking pictures of the cars driving by, to show to the lawyer, and the judge?? The restraining order, or stalking order, should include the whole family that gets involved with phone calls, texts, drive bys, threats, anything that puts pressure on your daughter. It is easier to get a stalking order when you feel your life is in danger. You could show the judge the answering machine message, and the text message, and pics of the drive-bys, and it should be in the bag!! You can also ask for supervised visitation,since the gma put the baby in danger by being confrontational, and grabbing your arm, while the baby was in her arms at the time!! Gosh, I feel so bad for you guys!

This is an edited version of my journal for today:

We had to meet Freakmil and the Brain Trust at the ER this morning because my grandson developed a rash all over his body. (Their visitation weekend)


Freakmil then began to tell me that she “never wanted custody of my grandson”, “never wanted to take my grandson away from my daughter”, “I’ve already been a mother I just want to be a grandmother”, “If you could get with daughter’s attorney and have her contact my attorney and we can go ahead and settle this whole thing. She can have custody, I just want visitation.” She kept saying these same things, in different variations for about 5 minutes. (yea. right. If that were really the case then she wouldn’t have lied to the magistrate about my daughter knowing about all this in the first place to get custody.)

Of the many things I wanted to say to her, the only thing I did was to look at Loser and say that some of the feelings here could be resolved if he would stop spreading lies about my daughter and step up to say that he is the father of my daughter’s children and stop telling people that **** was who got my daughter pregnant. Loser said that “Well **** was the one that told me that he slept with (my daughter) and @@@@@ was right there.” At that point I had to walk away because I could not stand there and listen to him lie and I figured that anything I would say would only escalate the situation. There was one last thing I did say as I left the building was “the truth needed to start being told.”

On the way out of the lobby Freakmil said to Loser “Well Loser it looks like you’ve got some things to do.” And “Someone needs to start telling the truth.” I kept walking.



I was so ticked at this lying piece of crap. She MUST really think I'm stupid. She just doesn't want to go in front of the same magistrate she lied to to get custody in the first place and that's who we're in front of in August.

She and Loser (and the rest of the Brain Trust) have driven by my house multiple times a day, every single day since the hearing in May. Her daughter was there and she keeps threatening my daughter by text. Loser does the most drive bys and has actually shown up at my daughters work on payday and parked in front of the employee entrance just to mess with her. Not even getting into the horrific lies he has spread about her both in our city and over the Internet on MySpace. They even put up a profile for my 16 month old grandson. (MySpace has yet to address this as it is against the rules for anyone under 14 to have an account.) My daughters furniture came up "Missing". How do you lose a couch and two recliners? At least $1700 of jewelry has also come up "Missing". (pieces given to her that were for her graduation) Her laptop is "Missing".

I can't wait for court in August. Settle? I'll settle for some jail time.

Was the doctor able to tell what caused him to break out and that it could have been prevented? Nice to have when you go to court if it's something as simple as they should have been bathing him and weren't.

Keeping my fingers crossed for you and yours!

The doctor thinks that the rash is what is left over from a bad reaction to getting 4 immunizations while having an ear infection after which he picked up a virus. He was a sick pup for a while but he had been symptom free for four days before the visitation started. Just hope this is the end of it. He needs a break from feeling bad.

Oh yes, court will be good! Make copies of the my space web sites, both his profile saying lies about your daughter, and then the one for the child, with your email dealings with myspace also. Do you have video proof of the stalking? Do you have any police reports about the stalking? Do you have affidavids or statements from employees of her job, saying that dumbo showed up at her job? Do you have a police report for the threatening messages? I would imagine that the judge could order a stalking order right then and there among the other business you take care of! How is your grandson now?? Is the rash ok now? We have had a breakout of measles by a guy who went to Japan, got them, then came to the hospital and exposed people. Luckily we have not had an outbreak, other than 3 employees sent home just for precautions. I only mentioned this because one of the final symptoms is a rash all over the body. Good luck in court!

We have everything mentioned except for the videotaping. Reports out the yang. I've saved all the messages. Printed off all the pages. I even hacked my grandson's page and got a list of who his "friends" are. Amazingly they are all the people that are helping (either by doing it themselves or lending Freakmil and Loser different vehicles) them torture my daughter. Funny thing is that most of them have pictures of their vehicles on their pages and we are using that to identify who is helping. My neighbors have written statements. Her coworkers have written statements.

I feel probation being violated rather soon. It feels tingly. :p :D ;)


OSM

We have everything mentioned except for the videotaping. Reports out the yang. I've saved all the messages. Printed off all the pages. I even hacked my grandson's page and got a list of who his "friends" are. Amazingly they are all the people that are helping (either by doing it themselves or lending Freakmil and Loser different vehicles) them torture my daughter. Funny thing is that most of them have pictures of their vehicles on their pages and we are using that to identify who is helping. My neighbors have written statements. Her coworkers have written statements.

I feel probation being violated rather soon. It feels tingly. :p :D ;)


OSM

So the stalkers are driving past your house in vehicles they borrowed from people that not only post the vehicle on the internet, but link it to the fraudulent myspace page?

You are right... this is quite the Brain Trust. If we could just harness this brain power... we could make toast.. lightly.

So the stalkers are driving past your house in vehicles they borrowed from people that not only post the vehicle on the internet, but link it to the fraudulent myspace page?

You are right... this is quite the Brain Trust. If we could just harness this brain power... we could make toast.. lightly.

Tee hee, maybe a little cracker.:D

Pop Tarts? :D

As of today, the rash isn't getting any worse. He was itching quite a bit but we got some Aveeno bath powder, bath soap, and lotion and it doesn't seem to bother him much now. Poor kid even has a rash on his scalp. I was afraid it would start to blister but the spots have stayed more flat and red than anything else. There's a bazillion of them though. He has a follow up today with his pediatrician.

Pop Tarts? :D

As of today, the rash isn't getting any worse. He was itching quite a bit but we got some Aveeno bath powder, bath soap, and lotion and it doesn't seem to bother him much now. Poor kid even has a rash on his scalp. I was afraid it would start to blister but the spots have stayed more flat and red than anything else. There's a bazillion of them though. He has a follow up today with his pediatrician.

A&H Baking Soda works wonders on a rash...very soothing and helps with the itch...

Okay, just had a rather disappointing trip to the court house.

We first went to our city prosecutor who said we needed to go to the county. We go to the county Domestic Relations court and they say no for one against Loser and that she has to go to the general division for Freakmil. We go to the general division and they tell us that since my daughter lived with Freakmil we needed to go back to Domestic Relations. So we go back and they say "No, there was no intimate relationship between my daughter and Freakmil so they send us back to the general division who then says they can't help us. That "perhaps" we could go to our city prosecutor, the one who sent us to the county in the first place, or we could go to the Juvenile court to see if there's something they can do. Even I know, as confirmed by her attorney that Juvenile court doesn't have jurisdiction with this.

So Domestic Relations finally hears the case against Loser. Despite the threats, the emails, the drive by's, and the harassment on her job, the Judge decided “If paternity hasn’t been established then it’s not reasonable for her to be afraid they may come and take the child or fear for her safety.” and that "absent a specific threat or physical violence" the judge would not order the restraining order.

Now, our state code in reference to stalking reads completely different. That's what we were trying to get:

Stalking Civil Protection Orders:
If you are a victim of the legal definition of "stalking", you can get a civil protection order at no cost. If you don't have a special relationship with the "stalker", or if the "stalker" is someone you hardly know, you may still be able to get one of these orders. These orders are issued by the General Division of the Court of Common Pleas.

Section 2903.21 (Aggravated Menacing) of the Ohio Revised Code says that:
(A) No person shall knowingly cause another to believe that the offender will cause serious physical harm to the person or property of such other person, such other person's unborn, or a member of the other person's immediate family.
(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of aggravated menacing, a misdmeanor of the first degree.

Section 2903.211 (Menacing by Stalking) of the Ohio Revised Code says that:
(A) No person by engaing in a pattern of conduct shall knowingly cause another to believe that the offender will cause physical harm to the other person or cause mental distress to the other person.
(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of menacing by stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree. If the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to a violation of this section involving the same person who is the victim of the current offense, menacing by stalking is a felony of the fifth degree.
(C) As used in this section:
(1) "Pattern of conduct" means two or more actions or incidents closely related in time, whether or not there has been a prior conviction based on any of those actions or incidents.
(2) "Mental distress" means any mental illness or condition that involves some temporary substantial incapacity or mental illness or condition that would normally require psychiatric treatment.


See, doesn't have to include an act of violence or a specific threat. But nobody wanted to be bothered today apparently.

Courts suck.

I'm sorry. Courts do suck.

Do you know, I about had a heart attack when I heard about the pregnant girl missing in Ohio? I seriously was very worried about your daughter. STOP DOING THAT TO ME!!!!:D

Seriously, I was worried, so as crappy as the news is, I'm really, really glad to hear from you.

What's frustrating is the judge would not look at a SINGLE piece of evidence. Not one piece.

I know this has been abandoned for a while, but I'm just wondering how you're doing OSM... Are your daughter and grandson doing well? Any good progress in the courts?

We've had continued issues with F&BT. Just continued harassment, lies, and delays. Freakmil and the Brain Trust are still stalking her here, at my parents, and at her work. They are still harassing her on MySpace. (Loser calling his new gf "mommy" and she has no children.) We tried to get a restraining order on Loser in DR court but the judge said "since paternity hasn't been established, it is unreasonable for my daughter to fear that he (or his mother) would try to take her son"???? Then we were sent to the General Division of the Common Pleas court to try to get one on Freakmil and they wouldn't hear it because my daughter had been a member of that household which falls under Domestic Relations. Domestic relations wouldn't hear it because she didn't have a "relationship" with the mother, only the son. It was a crapfest.

Her jewelry is "still missing" though they were able to "find" her furniture.

We just had an exchange this past weekend and according to Freakmil, her attorney still has my grandson's social security card and birth certificate, along with my daughter's mail.

On the other hand, she said her attorney is supposedly quitting being an attorney and is taking a job at a bank. Do ya think maybe it had something to do with me telling the bf's wife of 35+ years that he was raiding his retirement accounts to fund Freakmil and her exploits (including the attorney 'cause the woman won't work) so maybe since the divorce was final a couple of weeks ago his wife ended up screwing him to the wall and cutting Freakmil's finances short? hummmm

Her attorney may know relatively little about juvenile court (and it would probably help out if he wasn't representing idiot liars) but he's constantly in the paper for representing criminals. I swear, some people lie like most breathe.

So.... is it really;


She hasn't paid her bill 'cause the wife got it all... OR
She's gotten a different attorney... OR
Her attorney got ahold of a transcript of the hearing where she lied to the judge to get custody and since that's who we're in front of next month he told her to get bent.


What do you guys think?

Well, this just in, Freakmil's attorney has sent the following settlement "offer":

I understand from my client that the visitations have been going well and that the parties are learning to cooperate and get along. At this time, she is willing to resolve our pending litigation and move forward in the child's best interest on the following terms:


Mother would be designated residential and custodial parent.
My client would have the Standard Order of Visitation as set forth in Appendix F of the Local Rules as the non-custodial parent.
Father would have no parenting time independent of my client's time. Father currently sees the child during my client's time and I assume he would consent.


Time with her grandson is very important to my client. However she has indicated a willingness to be flexible on the details to accommodate Mother's schedule and for the child's best interest. Please advise.


Kiss my pale subtle rosy buttocks!

This offer gives Freakmil "non-custodial parent" visitation rights. The attorney is "assuming" it would be alright with Loser. Who knows what may happen down the road but I know for sure my daughter will not be granting Freakmil any form of "non-custodial parent" status even if it only has to do with visitation. The only "litigation" that is pending with Freakmil is the 60B motion that will revoke any claim to custody that Freakmil thinks she has, come Aug. when we appear in front of the magistrate that she lied to in the first place. (and whatever the county prosecutor see's fit to charge her with when that motion is ruled on) The rest of the litigation has to do with establishing paternity and child support with Loser so it isn't as if we would be losing any money by refusing this "offer".

Laughable. Pathetic.

Kiss my pale subtle rosy buttocks!



If you can't put that as your official response, may I suggest:

"Go pound sand":D :D :D

lololololol girl you are so goofy!

Aaaaaand why hasn't darwinism stepped in yet and taken care of this family????

Seriously, how are they still living and breathing?

Aaaaaand why hasn't darwinism stepped in yet and taken care of this family????

Seriously, how are they still living and breathing?

The same way cockroaches and nasty viruses survive.

GO DARWIN GO! I am rooting for a darwin award for the family, at least please let God grant something to happen, so they can no longer have children! I love your ideas, you guys are such a crack up!!

Yes these people (a term used lightly) do deserve for evolution to swallow them whole like the vermin they are.

One question though, how in the world / why in the world would her attorney even begin to think this was an appropriate settlement offer? Unless he has been retained to represent both Freakmil and Loser (an ethics violation as they are opposing parties in this action), how is it he can assume anything? What was going through his tiny little head when he had this typed up and actually sent?

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_2_25.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxmk869DUUS) He was probaby out of Raid and figured this was the quickest way to get them out of his office. Sadly, he didn't consider the time tested method of a squishing the offending insect.
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So can you respond with something refencing freakmil's defense of the harrassment...like

it has already been determined by one court, with implied agreement from freakmil that freakmil has no substantial relationship with mother and baby, there are also no legal famial ties between freakmil and baby, therefore she has no standing to even request custody, visitation or anything regarding the child. There shall be no settlements considered until paternity is legally established....so blow it out your......ahem:cool:

so blow it out your......ahem:cool:


This is my favorite part. It's short and to the point. Perfect for a legal setting!:D

This is my favorite part. It's short and to the point. Perfect for a legal setting!:D

Ahem is right! I can not believe the gall, or just stupidity from this attorney. Is he/she really an attorney, or a paralegal lol! Any updates (thought it may seem to soon to ask this lol!)

Our attorney forwarded out response.... well I'm sure a tamer version of our response... and we're supposed to pick up a copy of that response on Monday.

As for Freakmil and the Brain Trust... SSDD:o

Just an update on the rest of my daughter's life (outside of F&BF). She is doing well. She went to VA with my mom and her sister (and the baby boy) and it really seemed to relax her. They plan on going back for another few days in a couple weeks. She has also had a constant male companion for the last several weeks. This is someone she has known since the day she was born, literally. His mother and I were pregnant at the same time and we bowled together. As soon as these two could walk they were inseparable when they were little. Kind of funny.

They (my daughter, the friend, and the baby) stopped by last night after going to a local nature trail. (Where apparently there was a pelting of rocks by my grandson and all kinds of bug squishing..lol) Though my daughter insists they are only friends, I can tell he really cares for her. She (going on 7 months pregnant) was having problems getting out of the car so he ran around to the other side to help and then got my grandson out of his carseat. My grandson then grabbed his hand and her hand and came into the house.

While they were here, we did talk about the legal stuff as she had been gone when the settlement offer came. She got a little upset and he put his hand around her shoulders and said "You don't have to worry about them. I'm not going to let them hurt you anymore."

Gotta give the boy props. Not too many 21 year old guys would date a pregnant girl who already has a 17 month old. Especially with all the crazy that's been going on.

So that's it for now. I hope to speak to the attorney later on today to see if there are any new developments. This coming Friday is another visitation so it will be interesting to see how Freakmil reacts to us knowing we turned down her "offer".

Oh and P.S. Loser's new girlfriend dumped him (the one he was calling "Mommy" trying to take a stab at my daughter). She wrote a scathing blog about how he and his family are nuts and that all he cares about is partying and isn't taking care of his responsibilities.

I assume you have a copy of the blog?

Believe it or not, there are some guys out there that like kids... and the women that have them.

For instance... today is my 8th anniversary... and my wife and my daughters 14 and 6, will be celebrating it together - as is our habit. Tonight, it is for my wife and I... tomorrow, for the whole family.

I figured that since our daughter was at the ceremony and I asked both of them to be my family, that the anniversary is ours. Our 6 year old just got caught up in the fun.

We put the fun in dysfunctional... but it works for us.

Yup, couldn't print it off fast enough. There was even a comment made by Loser that read "I would have killed someone for you you know that?" That reads nice and stable doesn't it? He's been dating this girl for less than two months.


I LIKE dysfunctional..... especially when it makes my daughter smile again.:p (Just want it out of the rest of our lives)

Well, apparently Loser was finally served with the complaint for harassment that my daughter filed (same day she tried to get restraining orders). I was served with a subpoena this morning for a hearing on the 8th. And, Freakmil must have received our response to her "offer". It's been a fun filled day.

The drive-bys had been tapering down.... until today. Loser drove past my house just 20 minutes before we were supposed to meet at the police department for the exchange. We get to the exchange where Freakmil was supposed to turn over my daughter's mail and my grandson's SS card and birth certificate. Now she "has a new attorney" and he wanted all of that stuff. As I explained to her there was no reason to withhold these items as they did not pertain to the case but was in fact personal property of my daughter. She said "You'll have to have your attorney send something to my attorney Mr. X and I will decide." When asked about my daughters jewelry she said she just got back from Vegas and hasn't looked.

My daughter had been calming down about things, until today. Now she's pissed. Good? Bad? A bit of both but at least now she has had a refresher course of who and what we are dealing with. I think for the last month she has tried to put things out of her mind. (Like forgetting to plug in her text phone for the last 4 weeks despite my reminders that every bit of evidence helps. She went straight home and brought the phone back to me so it would stay on and charged.)

Guess Freakmil is too now that she can't avoid appearing in front of the magistrate she lied to. Too bad. So sad. Sucks to be her.

So that's it for today. Any pointers?

Has your daughter filed a complaint with the police for her STOLEN items? (Sorry, I can't remember.)

I assume you have a copy of the blog?

Believe it or not, there are some guys out there that like kids... and the women that have them.

For instance... today is my 8th anniversary... and my wife and my daughters 14 and 6, will be celebrating it together - as is our habit. Tonight, it is for my wife and I... tomorrow, for the whole family.

I figured that since our daughter was at the ceremony and I asked both of them to be my family, that the anniversary is ours. Our 6 year old just got caught up in the fun.

We put the fun in dysfunctional... but it works for us.

Aww, sorry I am late reading this! Happy anniversary!! I hope you and the family had a blast!!!

Were these items also requested from the courts to be returned? What did your lawyer say about them withholding these, why could they not just make a dang copy?? I know, because that would be convenient and nice!! They just don't get it, the more crap they throw at people, the more they get the excess in their face!! It is like a friendly wind of life, making sure that the crap lands where it is supposed to, and it is not on you!! Keep your chin up!

Here is a piece of advice also. IN my space, you have your friends list, and pics to go with it. If freakmils site, has a list of friends, and you can see it, click on those friends, go to THIER profiles, and see if he has put any comments on the pictures that they have posted of themselves and thier friends, to see if there is any more damage he can do with his stupid, idiotic, and pathetic typing skills!!

I did get access to their friends list. Freakmil's "friends" are either her children, her formerly married boyfriend now fiance', and a group of delinquent juvenile girls (not one "friend" over 17 years old). The only person on her list that is near to her age is the now fiance'. I think it says a lot about a person that has no friends (on myspace or in real life) that are your contemporary in age or female.

There were some on his (and the featured picture on his profile is him drinking a Budweiser, underage BTW) On his comments, he (and his friend) bantered back and forth about kidnapping my grandson, kept refering to his girlfriend as "mommy", mentions my daughter and grandson by name (yesterday on a blog) and about the "bogus" charges she's trying to stick him with and the stupid custody case that she started. (sorry buddy, you and your mama started that one, we're just finishing it)

Then I have the note he sent me saying he would love to see the police do anything about him going to her place of work. We also have messages sent to my daughter (from men she does not know) asking questions about my grandson.

Her sudden decision (or rather, finally an admission that she doesn't intend on cooperating) came after business hours today so it will have to wait for Monday for us to contact my daughter's attorney.

My daughter did text her before the exchange to remind her of what she said at the last drop off about returning the items, and for Freakmil to meet in the lobby (per the court order) at the police department instead of in the parking lot. (she'd been coming up to my daughter's car instead of meeting us at the lobby and that just leaves too much to chance for things to get out of hand with that nutcase).


Nothing has been filed about the stolen items because we can't prove who (which one of Freakmil and the Brain Trust) has them. All she knows is the items "disappeared on the same day the binder containing the birth certificate and the SS card did". That doesn't prove who, only when.

Hmmm, comments on kidnapping, and stalking her at work, that is just priceless! I am glad you have copies of all this stuff on disk, or copied, for the judge to see! Have you contacted the sites owners to let them know of the planned felonies being spoke about on their site. I think it states they will do nothing to any member their unless it involves BREAKING THE LAW. I think discussing kidnapping and harming someone, may be enough, not sure.

MySpace does nothing for you. We sent several requests for them to take down the profile they made for my grandson. MS policy is that no one under 14 can have an account but numerous requests made by my daughter and I to remove the profile of a 17 month old went unanswered.

MySpace does nothing for you. We sent several requests for them to take down the profile they made for my grandson. MS policy is that no one under 14 can have an account but numerous requests made by my daughter and I to remove the profile of a 17 month old went unanswered.

Maybe if your lawyer sent a formal request, with his letterhead paper, and envelope, they would take it more seriously??

I think we may have to do that as well as have her draft a letter to them about the documents, my daughter's mail (it is illegal for them to prevent delivery of her mail), and everything else they have that they are withholding.

I'm not sure if my daughter has brought the kidnapping banter to her attorney's attention, but come Monday, if I have to dial the number and hover over her, she's going to make that call. The trouble is that she is afraid of the retaliation should she stand up for herself. It is kind of ticking me off but I can't do anything other than encourage her to stand up for herself and not let them scare her. Tough to do when she's scared to death of them, had a father that did nothing but tear down her self esteem, and 28+ weeks pregnant.

I think we may have to do that as well as have her draft a letter to them about the documents, my daughter's mail (it is illegal for them to prevent delivery of her mail), and everything else they have that they are withholding.

I'm not sure if my daughter has brought the kidnapping banter to her attorney's attention, but come Monday, if I have to dial the number and hover over her, she's going to make that call. The trouble is that she is afraid of the retaliation should she stand up for herself. It is kind of ticking me off but I can't do anything other than encourage her to stand up for herself and not let them scare her. Tough to do when she's scared to death of them, had a father that did nothing but tear down her self esteem, and 28+ weeks pregnant.

She must learn to be afraid of what can happen when the law is not there to protect her. What she does, will protect her! If these nimwits can get busted driving by her home, if a restraining order says they can't, then eventually they will land in jail. If she does not keep the law in constant update on what they talk about doing, she has less protection if they decide to follow through! That is what she should be afraid of. Please, if not for herself, she must gain strength to fight for her baby! It is one thing if she does not want to take action for a threat against her, but as a mother, she should take a deep breath, and then CHARGE straight toward the threat to her baby! Just ask her, where would you be if I (you) did not get the law on your side so far? It is now time to protect your child as I have been protecting you! I will be praying for all of you!

I keep telling her "these people tried to steal your child". Sure she gets mad whenever she thinks of the things they have done but sometimes it's almost as if she is paralyzed by fear of what they will do to her, and what they might do on one of these unsupervised weekend visits. So I tell her that if she doesn't stand up for herself, they will always have unsupervised visits. And that if she doesn't do anything now, then it really must be okay with her what they did. That kind of ticks her off but oh well. That's what inaction and acting as if none of this has really happened will get her.

Geez. I sound like one B of a mother don't I?

Geez. I sound like one B of a mother don't I?

No, you sound like a loving mother who is trying to instill strength and resolve in your daughter after years of others stripping it away. You know you can't fight this battle for her (though I know you would if you could), so you are trying to get her to realize that she has to do it herself.

If that's not the picture of a strong and loving mother, I don't know what is. :)

We picked up my grandson from the visitation yesterday. Imagine this, Loser comes to the exhange. So, out of 6 visitations, 12 exchanges, he came to two exchanges. One time with his "girlfriend" then this time, after he has been charged with harassing my daughter. What a "daddy". :mad:

The only time he can be bothered to show up to an exchange is when he has some other agenda to harass my daughter further. I so would like to have fire ants poured down his pants.

We picked up my grandson from the visitation yesterday. Imagine this, Loser comes to the exhange. So, out of 6 visitations, 12 exchanges, he came to two exchanges. One time with his "girlfriend" then this time, after he has been charged with harassing my daughter. What a "daddy". :mad:

The only time he can be bothered to show up to an exchange is when he has some other agenda to harass my daughter further. I so would like to have fire ants poured down his pants.


Anything can be arranged:D


when is the next court appearance?

For the telecommunications harassment, Wednesday. Further custody proceedings on the 23rd.

How much?

I'll send you as many fire ants as you want, FREE OF CHARGE, if you promise to send video of him dancing around.

The ants will be yours to keep. No really....I insist.:D

Do you think it work best with some sort of sugary stuff poured in first and then maybe some duct tape on each leg opening and around the waist?? I'm getting a visual. Naw, fire ants are not doing it for me. I need something that would involve shutting his stupid face. (and his mama's)

There is no cure for stupidity. In the end, they will get what they deserve. There is no cure for stupidity. In the end, they will get what they deserve.

I'm trying to be patient here. I just want them to drop off the face of the earth. Nothing bad needs to happen. They just need to go away. Okay maybe jail time would make me feel better then maybe being released on a desert island that is patrolled by sharks so there is no escape and they have to live there for the rest of their lives only making each other miserable.

With a colony of fire ants.:o

No, you sound like a loving mother who is trying to instill strength and resolve in your daughter after years of others stripping it away. You know you can't fight this battle for her (though I know you would if you could), so you are trying to get her to realize that she has to do it herself.

If that's not the picture of a strong and loving mother, I don't know what is. :)


I second that!!!!!!

I will pour sweet soda on him, and we can let the ants do their thing. They swarm around soda!!

I will pour sweet soda on him, and we can let the ants do their thing. They swarm around soda!!
....and apparently, I'm just super sweet. They find me no matter what. Well....I do drink a lot of vanilla Coke. Maybe they just like my toe nail polish.

I have not been to this post for quite a while. I am all caught up now. I can't believe all the things that have been going on! Good luck with the up coming court hearing. As always I will be praying for the home team!!

Spoke with the attorney this morning. They will be sending off a letter to Freakmil's new attorney requesting my grandson's papers, my daughter's mail, jewelry, furniture, and other items. She said that she would word it so that they will be aware that federal (for withholding the mail) and civil actions would be sought if the items were not returned promptly. And since we had already gone over there to attempt to move the items (furniture) and they were "missing" at the time, that they would be responsible for delivering the items at their expense.

Guess we'll see what happens.

Oh, and yet again, Freakmil has retained a criminal/bankrupcy/personal injury attorney instead of one that regularly does custody cases. I guess that's the kind of attorney she is comfortable with given her history.:p


How about an island surrounded by a moat of sweet soda? Maybe the island can really be a gigantic fire ant mound and not really an island at all......

Thank you guys for your support and your prayers. Your ideas, your humor, and everything else. It lightens our hearts and lifts our spirits. My daughter reads these from time to time (even the stuff I've written 'bout her and she still loves me :p ) and she gets a good giggle seeing what you've written.

OSM

Today was just a bit disappointing. We got there at 2:15 as the subpoena said to be there at 2:30. We sat for 2 hours before my daughter was able to speak to anyone. The Victims Advocate called for her to come up and speak to her. Apparently, the assistant prosecutor who took my daughter's complaint filed telephone harassment charges and not telecommunications harassment charges. (I need a very very angry icon right now) Never once did we tell her that the harassment was over the telephone. It has all been texting and on the Internet (thus telecommunications harassment).

So, the VA told my daughter that the charges would have to be dropped and other charges filed. The prosecutor took my daughter into his office which was a door actually in the court room in view of Freakmil and the Braintrust. He was originally there with his buddy which coincidentally was the one who was putting comments on my grandson's profile about he and his daddy kidnapping him. (they dressed to match right down to the freshly shaven heads). Apparently he called his mommy when he saw my daughter come in with my father and I. I guess he didn't know we were all subpoenaed.

So my daughter comes out of the prosecutors office half smiling but visibly shaken and then they called the case. Loser went up alone as he had decided to not have an attorney. The prosecutor said (to cover his offices mistake) that my daughter, in the interest of trying to co-parent with Loser, is willing to drop the charges if Loser refrains from all contact that does not concern their son and stops harassing her over the Internet, at our homes, and on her job. The judge asked if Loser understood and then gave him a five minute lecture on the importance of parents respecting each other and that if he did not refrain from harassing her that the next time, she would not be given the option of dropping any charges, and that he would receive the maximum sentence allowable. They dismissed the case without prejudice.

Loser turns around and thrusts his fists in the air and said "Yeah!!". Of course they all started their crap (high fives and laughter in our direction). The judge then said, it looks like we will be seeing them again and shook his head.

My daughter held it together until they left the courtroom. Then she lost it. The prosecutor came over to her and kept apologizing and saying that, given his reaction to being let off, he would love to prosecute him, and the rest of the "jerks" that were with him.

The VA said she would go with my daughter back to the domestic relations court (where she was denied the first time because "It was unreasonable for her to fear...... because paternity had not been established") to get a restraining order and the prosecutor would send his endorsement as well. I guess that is some consolation to today but I tell ya, it was hard watching their smug smiling laughing faces leave that court.

We went out to the parking lot about 5:30 but had to return for the bailiff as they had parked on either side and in front of my daughter's car and were waiting. When they saw him come back out with us, they took off. What a nightmare.

I would give anything to trade places with my daughter right now. To protect her from this crap. Please God, I pray for a restraining order come Friday. I don't know how much more she can take.

osm- been following your case- haven't really had anything to add to the great advice you are already getting except- hang in there. things will get better!

Here's your angry icon. Today was just a bit disappointing. We got there at 2:15 as the subpoena said to be there at 2:30. We sat for 2 hours before my daughter was able to speak to anyone. The Victims Advocate called for her to come up and speak to her. Apparently, the assistant prosecutor who took my daughter's complaint filed telephone harassment charges and not telecommunications harassment charges. (I need a very very angry icon right now) Never once did we tell her that the harassment was over the telephone. It has all been texting and on the Internet (thus telecommunications harassment).
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_29.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxmk869DUUS)



OSM, I pray that they are slapped down. I am really worried for your daughter, not just emotionally...but really worried for her physical safety.

How is her physical health with the pregnancy? She does have an ace in the hole, though. She knows she has you to support and love her.

Wow, so they blocked her car in with theirs right outside of a courthouse, huh? Why did I ever underestimate their intelligence?:rolleyes:

I'm praying you get that restraining order. These people are the type that don't realize when they've gone too far... and if they do, they just don't care.

As always I will be praying for an ending to this nightmare for both of you!! And as I have believed for a long time now...what goes around comes around. It will happen it always does.

My daughter is doing okay. Her friend is being very supportive of her and he speaks to her about things that sometimes mom's just can't do. I'm really amazed at how gentle, protective, and caring he is being. The day before the hearing he took her and my grandson to the Newport Aquarium to try to lessen some of the stress she was feeling. He was waiting for her at my parents home so he could be there for her.

At least this time, she didn't go into early labor. She had some contractions for a few hours but they stopped on their own and there wasn't any bleeding this time.

I just keep hoping and praying that when the victims advocate goes with her to get the RO, and having a statement from the prosecutor, and perhaps a statement from the bailiff, it will be enough for that court see that whether paternity has been established or not, she does have reason enough for them to grant it.

can you get a statement from the bailiff about them parking her car in like that?

Again, total disappointment. No RO.

Even with the testimony of the Victims Advocate who was in court and witnessed how he and his family acted. Even with the letter from the prosecutor. Even with the statement about how they blocked in her car at the city court building. Even with his own email challenging the police to do anything. Even with the comments about kidnapping her son.

"He has not yet physically harmed her."

What a crock of complete BS!!!!!!

UNfreakinbelieveable!!!!!!!!!!

Again, total disappointment. No RO.

Even with the testimony of the Victims Advocate who was in court and witnessed how he and his family acted. Even with the letter from the prosecutor. Even with the statement about how they blocked in her car at the city court building. Even with his own email challenging the police to do anything. Even with the comments about kidnapping her son.

"He has not yet physically harmed her."

What a crock of complete BS!!!!!!

UNfreakinbelieveable!!!!!!!!!!


well, at this point I would seriously be considering a relocation, if she moved 45 minutes away it will cost them waaaaay too much money in gas to keep harrassing her, yet she's still close enough to mom and family....is this a possibility?

She's not allowed to move. When the emergency order was granted, the magistrate said that she would need to live with my parents or they would entertain a motion to give custody back to Freakmil.

The court "got it" but not completely about these people because it was only an emergency hearing for custody. The next hearing they might hear the 60B motion and at that time we can show evidence that Freakmil lied to obtain custody in the first place, and that she had withheld the notice of that custody hearing from my daughter.

SO, my daughter is trapped here, for lack of a better term, until someone hears the 60B motion.

She's not allowed to move. When the emergency order was granted, the magistrate said that she would need to live with my parents or they would entertain a motion to give custody back to Freakmil.

The court "got it" but not completely about these people because it was only an emergency hearing for custody. The next hearing they might hear the 60B motion and at that time we can show evidence that Freakmil lied to obtain custody in the first place, and that she had withheld the notice of that custody hearing from my daughter.

SO, my daughter is trapped here, for lack of a better term, until someone hears the 60B motion.

I still don't get why the court is even entertaining motions from the grandmother on this crap.....

vidoe surveillence on your street, call the police every time they drive by, never answer their call, let them go to voicemail, and watch that myspace for more bravado from them, sooner or later they will make a bad enough mistake (hopefully one that doesn't result in harm to your daughter) but they will make a mistake that the court MUST act on


oh um and stop sticks are fun ;)

....and apparently, I'm just super sweet. They find me no matter what. Well....I do drink a lot of vanilla Coke. Maybe they just like my toe nail polish.

Tee hee mommyof4, you are so cute!

I am at such a loss here for words. Isn't the premature labor and bleeding from the stress hurting her indirectly??? Isn't the phsycological damage enough pain? I am so so sorry that someone has to be physically hurt to obtain a restraining order! Have you contacted the F.B.I internet crimes unit, to see if charges can be made, for the threat of kidnapping online?

Not the FBI but our attorney sent a subpoena to MySpace to confirm the users that are doing it and their connections to each other (friends lists). The prosecutor suggested this as it would seal the case and they wouldn't be able to deny anything. Not sure when that will come through. She has the response deadline set for the 22 (the day before the next hearing in Juvenile Court).

I guess all we can do now is wait. And hope.

OSM

Here is what I’ve been dying to say for months

K, and you know who you are, you are the sorriest excuse for a human being/mother that I have ever had the misfortune to meet. You are a con artist, a thief, a liar, and a complete waste of space on this planet. You teach your children to lie, cheat, steal, and use people, and bully everyone, no matter if that person has done you NO harm. Now that the courts have seen through your game, I hope that the full weight of the justice system smacks you in that rotted gangrenous mouth of yours. I’m sure your probation officer will likely be interested to hear what you’ve been up to lately. (Please don’t worry. I do still have his name and number.) The county prosecutor also has this thing about people lying in court. They tend to prosecute people for perjury, especially when it comes to attempting to steal someone’s child. I think he and I will now have a little “chat”.

You initiated a custody action in November for the sole purposes of saving your son (the father of FOUR children) from having to pay child support and for your own gain, (as you apparently have an aversion to working for a living yourself) to collect welfare benefits. Your son got out of jail for non-support and the next possible day, you filed your motion. You will never convince me that was just a coincidence. What backs up that theory is that after you lied to the court and maligned my daughter, and you were granted custody, you never made a single move to take my grandson from my daughter. Not even when you moved out with someone else’s husband.

First, you knew you gave the court a false address for my daughter. You gave an address that was still owned and in complete control of you and your then-fiancé. An address that you knew was wrong because my daughter moved in with you and this fiancé to the second residence by the end of August. We now know that only you and your former fiancé had the only keys to the mail box of this former address. You gave explicit instructions to all those residing with you, including my daughter, that only you and your ex-fiancé were to retrieve the mail.

When questioned by the court in February, the hearing my daughter had no idea was taking place, as to whether or not my daughter knew about the proceedings, you said, and I quote the transcript here, “Yes they are both aware cause I talked to them last night”. When the court asked you if they (B and my daughter) were in agreement with this, you said, again quoting, “yes”. When the court asked you what their response was you said, again quoting, “They both know about it and they are not fighting it at all”.

Yet, at the second hearing, after which the court gave my daughter back custody, when your attorney asked you whether or not the court asked you any questions regarding service, you responded by saying, again, quoting the transcripts, “They (the court) asked me if I knew if they had gotten served and…….um…. they should have gotten served.” and upon further questioning, you said, “I’m pretty sure that they (the court) did say that they did get served ordinary mail.” And “They (the court) told me that”.

You even told the court that you had raised my grandson from the day he came home from the hospital. Everyone who even casually knew my daughter when my grandson was born knows that she and the baby lived with my parents at that time because your son dumped her with one month left in her pregnancy. You were so skilled at the February hearing that you even managed to get the court to put no provisions for my daughter to even have visitation. Saying “I told them that anytime they want to see him” So then the court says, “…so that’s something we don’t need to put in the order or anything” and you respond “no”.

Your OWN testimony and subsequent actions prove you to be nothing but a liar.

At first I thought that was a pretty slick move. Then I found out the reason why you knew so much about the Juvenile Court and the way it works is because you didn’t have custody of your own children. Imagine that.

Only after God intervened in your treachery, and allowed my daughter find the paperwork giving you custody (the documents you forgot due to take with you, oops, guess you were too tied up with trying to keep your married boyfriend happy to maintain focus), did you try to enforce the order. Even then it was four days after she and the baby left. If my daughter was such an unfit mother, why did you wait so long? Oh wait, because you knew that eventually you would be nailed in court for your lies. You should be used to that.

By the way, do you remember the detective whom you tried to convince that my daughter and I “kidnapped (her son)” and that he was in “mortal danger” being with us? After the court gave my daughter back custody, I took the transcripts and the court order to her for a bit of reading. At the end of our little visit, she gave me her card and asked that I call her should we have any more problems with you. (I still have that number as well.)

B, and you know who you are, instead of referring to a single child in this entry, I will be saying “children”. No matter who you may have fooled with your lies, my daughter’s second child, soon to be born, is yours. I cannot tell you how much I wish he weren’t.

You need to get your balls out of your mother’s wallet and step up and act like a man. Get a job and keep it. Support your children (ALL four of them in the very near future) and spare some time out of your busy social schedule to actually ACT like their father.

By the way, initially, by having your mother file against both you and my daughter as unfit parents, was a stroke of genius that I didn’t initially give you credit for. You guys did have us fooled. My daughter was so in love with you that even then, she was grasping for any last bit of hope that you were not involved. However, when I asked you if you knew about this the entire time, telling me in front of that officer “YES I DID”, so proud, and so loud, was a pretty stupid move on your part. The officer made a statement confirming your statement. Then you, confirming it in court by being your mother’s echo, was the final blow to the love my daughter had, and any respect that I might have had, for you. You’ve lost all the credibility you ever had here.

In case you don’t really know what a man/father acts like, I will provide you with the following examples:


• A father gives respect to and lets his children’s mother live and work to support her children in peace.
• He does not harass, demean, lie, and attempt to assassinate the character of his children’s mother.
• He does NOT tell people that she cheated when he knows she did not, in a self serving effort to save face in front of those whom he hopes to maintain relations with.
• He does not go to the workplace of his children’s mother and parks in front of the employee entrance, or drives incessantly past her place of work, in order to harass and intimidate her.
• He does not drive by her home and the homes of her family in an effort to harass and intimidate her.
• He does not enlist the help of his buddies to do the same.
• He does not stand behind his mother in her attempts to steal his child from his children’s mother; rather, he steps up and supports her and makes an effort to actually raise their children.
• He would never engage in a sickening game of “keep away” with a child, insisting that his mother have his child with her instead of with his parents.
• He maintains a job and supports ALL of his children. Just in case that one got by you, he maintains a job and supports ALL of his children. How about we say it together. He maintains a job and supports ALL of his children.
• He does not refer to, nor does he allow any other person refer to themselves as his children’s mother.
• He does not allow other’s to make jokes about kidnapping his children.
• He does not allow anyone to threaten his children’s mother.
• He does not allow his mother to steal custody of his child from his son’s mother for no legitimate reason. He would certainly not endorse it as only a preemptive strike to avoid paying child support.


Just because you made them, does not make you a “Daddy”. Saying that you would kill for them, does not make you a Daddy. Supporting them, supporting the efforts of their mother to have a home just for them (at one time, for all of you), together, as a family, makes you a Daddy. Out of 14 of your (well actually, your mothers visitation) exchanges, a “Daddy” would have shown up to more than 2. (This is especially true when you don’t have a job and there’s nothing else stopping you from showing up.) And of those two, it would have been nice if you were actually there only to say hello and goodbye to your son. Instead, you chose to bring your girlfriend to one, after which you left with her and not your son, and showed up at the other only after my daughter filed harassment charges.

I realize that your ego may be too fragile to handle these truths. You may not even be able to understand what I have written. So, in words you sure like to sling around, and even though you apparently have little comprehension of what the phrase means…………. grow up.

Oh, and by the way, before you respond to any of this, please don’t have worries; I already sleep "good" at night.

Damn. I’ve used up all of your favorite lines already. You’ll have to come up with an original thought. Hurry up. Run and ask your mother.


Finally, for those who pretended to be my daughter’s friend. Guess you were wrong. Forward that.






So, what do you guys think?

Are you sending this to them? If so, I don't think it leaves any question as to what your "issue" is with them. :D



On a side note....I know this is in KY, but KY is close to Ohio, so....

This wouldn't happen to be him, would it?:D :D (Be sure to scroll down for the picture so you can determine if this is "B")

http://www.wsaz.com/home/headlines/9129056.html


I just had to marvel at the stupidity.

To make this funnier (or sadder, depending on the perspective) he NOW has a $250,000 bond when he only stole a couple of rolls of change (sort of...most of the change was scattered in the parking lot.)

lolololol

Naw, that ain't him (tells ya just how close to KY I am though).

I plan to post this as a blog on MySpace (Favorite hangout of Freakmil and the Brain Trust). Just so it's clear to every single person involved in hurting my daughter, I figured that would be the way to let them all know at once.

Sorry about the length but I have built up just a little resentment in the last three months.:p


OSM

lolololol

Naw, that ain't him (tells ya just how close to KY I am though).

I plan to post this as a blog on MySpace (Favorite hangout of Freakmil and the Brain Trust). Just so it's clear to every single person involved in hurting my daughter, I figured that would be the way to let them all know at once.

Sorry about the length but I have built up just a little resentment in the last three months.:p


OSM

Well, I think it gets your point across. There's nothing they can say or do. After all, they are logging on to YOUR page. You are not harassing them or contacting them. Maybe all of US could just log on to your page and add our own little comments to 'best wishes' to the scumbags. :D

(Oh, if you want to se the live interview of the DTB, let me know. I'll send you the link. It's absolutely hillarious.)

Well, I think it gets your point across. There's nothing they can say or do. After all, they are logging on to YOUR page. You are not harassing them or contacting them. Maybe all of US could just log on to your page and add our own little comments to 'best wishes' to the scumbags. :D

(Oh, if you want to se the live interview of the DTB, let me know. I'll send you the link. It's absolutely hillarious.)

Actually, mommy, I would LOVE to see the interview! Could you PM me the link? I'm always in the mood for a good chuckle.:D

I'm thinking there are not enough working brain cells between the two of them to understand the first paragraph let alone the whole thing.......



maybe trim it down to something they can really understand, something like....


sure must suck to be a looo-ooo-ooo-ser

:cool:

sure must suck to be a looo-ooo-ooo-ser


Can't you just see them trying to sound out all of those "Os"? :D

You guys are so much nicer than me.

I would be sitting out in the front yard with a camera. Put your feet in a kiddie pool if you have to ... it's hot out there.

everytime he drives by, make a production out of taking the picture. What the heck, put a sign in the yard that says, "Daddies give their kids more than DNA" and "Honk if you're a stalker" and "Smile, these pictures will be used as evidence in a court of law" and "It is cool to pay child support".

The best thing that could happen would be for one of the cars to stop and threaten you... because then you could call the police. Have a phone handy.

I gotta say... I'm loving Jeff's advice.:D

I gotta say... I'm loving Jeff's advice.:D

ooooh me too!!!! love it love it love it:cool:

:D :D CJ!!!!!! You are a nut case!!!!!! In the bestest possible way!!!!!!!


lololololololol:D

OSM

I liked it very much, I would love it if you would send me the link to your myspace, I would also love to leave little comments!! You are such a strong person! You are an awesome mom, and a great example of how not to give up or give in!

I hope to be able to post this after the hearing next Thursday. If I can, I will certainly send you the link!! :D

If I can't, and that would only be if 60B motion gets put off again (next week is pretrial and it is possible that it won't be heard in which case it would really really really suck).

I guess if there are further delays, we'll have another, expanded edition of the blog by the time the motion can be heard.

To me, it would make sense to hear the 60B next week because that would eliminate Freakmil as a party leaving only Loser to defend his actions and get through the whole paternity/visitation/child support portion.

We are actually preparing ourselves to expect the motion to not be heard just so the stress doesn't wear too much on my daughter. (The whole, prepare for the worst and hope for the best thing.) It would still be very frustrating if it isn't heard but I want her to be prepared for anything.

If there is a delay, we have already instructed our attorney to make sure that all further hearings are with the original magistrate who granted Freakmil's original petition. (they tend to pass cases from magistrate to magistrate and that just drags things out) I want Freakmil to face him and no one else. If anyone is going to hold her accountable for her lies, by making him look foolish, he would be the one to do it. At least I hope so.

I hope to be able to post this after the hearing next Thursday. If I can, I will certainly send you the link!! :D

If I can't, and that would only be if 60B motion gets put off again (next week is pretrial and it is possible that it won't be heard in which case it would really really really suck).

I guess if there are further delays, we'll have another, expanded edition of the blog by the time the motion can be heard.

To me, it would make sense to hear the 60B next week because that would eliminate Freakmil as a party leaving only Loser to defend his actions and get through the whole paternity/visitation/child support portion.

We are actually preparing ourselves to expect the motion to not be heard just so the stress doesn't wear too much on my daughter. (The whole, prepare for the worst and hope for the best thing.) It would still be very frustrating if it isn't heard but I want her to be prepared for anything.

If there is a delay, we have already instructed our attorney to make sure that all further hearings are with the original magistrate who granted Freakmil's original petition. (they tend to pass cases from magistrate to magistrate and that just drags things out) I want Freakmil to face him and no one else. If anyone is going to hold her accountable for her lies, by making him look foolish, he would be the one to do it. At least I hope so.




let it drag out as long as it can- status quo is an extremely powerful thing, especially when it comes to little tykes:D

:D :D CJ!!!!!! You are a nut case!!!!!! In the bestest possible way!!!!!!!


lololololololol:D

OSM

nah, just a country boy that is used to people treating each other right.

There is a part of me that wants to sit on your daughter's lawn and do nothing all day long but drink sweet tea and clean my unloaded shotgun, rifle and handgun. Over and over and over.

They will be squeaky clean. You will also never have another hint of trouble.

The sign next to me will be "I only give one warning shot... and the last guy already used it."

nah, just a country boy that is used to people treating each other right.

There is a part of me that wants to sit on your daughter's lawn and do nothing all day long but drink sweet tea and clean my unloaded shotgun, rifle and handgun. Over and over and over.

They will be squeaky clean. You will also never have another hint of trouble.

The sign next to me will be "I only give one warning shot... and the last guy already used it."

:D love it again.....

I want Jeff to adopt us lol (though my dad is kind of old school like that, but my mom locked his guns up when this started lol)

I'm better today. Sorry about that rather lengthy rant the other day. I kind of feel like a corked bottle of carbonated beverage some days. It's like someone keeps shaking me up and the cork is slowly working it's way out and on that day, I shot across the room. :o

Well, tomorrow is pretrial. Who knows what we will be able to get done. Basically what we expect to happen (going by recent RO issues here) is nothing. I guess I'm learning to lower my expectations because there isn't much room for disappointment if you keep your expectations low.:rolleyes:

The court is likely going to ask if everything is going okay with the visitations and if we were to say it was okay, they might make the visitation order permanent. If we say it isn't working out (and we will because it's not), he might hear some testimony on that but then again, and more likely than anything, he will continue the visitation and schedule a trial. They might order the paternity motion to begin (order testing and so-forth) but then again, they might wait until after the trial about the visitation.

I'm not exactly sure where the 60B motion will fit into all of this. (if original service was never given, the case gets dismissed 6 months after filing and that would have been May 6th, 12 days before we had the emergency hearing) I would have thought we would have heard that before anything else. I mean, wouldn't it have made the most sense to decide whether or not a custody case should have ever been heard/awarded? It's like saying the ABC's all the way through, skipping A until after Z and the little song at the end. It makes no sense to be deciding on whether or not visitation is working out before paternity is established and the issues about the original filing are resolved.

I hope tomorrow goes well.

Just back from the pretrial hearing. Kind of as I suspected. No evidence heard concerning the harassment. 60B motion not addressed. They ordered drug screening and DNA testing. Surprise, our attorney is sick and sent in a Sub that we had never laid eyes on and who knew nothing of the case.

Freakmil's boyfriend (the formerly married guy) didn't come into the courtroom as he normally does. Nope. Their attorney told them about the request for drug testing prior to the hearing.

While in the hearing we find out that the (new) attorney representing Freakmil is the one that showed up for Loser. They had tried that before with their old attorney and the court had already been addressed at the May 11th hearing when they said the same attorney would be representing both of them. They were told then that they could not have the same attorney because they were opposing parties in the matter. Our attorney/Sub didn't say a word.:mad:

While we waited for the clerk to give out copies of the new order, and of course, they started their crap. Freakmil kept saying how "She's (me) the nurse in charge of the "ER" and just this weekend they put this man in a dark room and he died of a heart attack. They were all back in the break-room watching a DVD movie and that poor man just died and SHE was in charge. It was on the weekend and she works the weekends so it had to be her." Over and over louder and over louder still again. I love how she is so desperate and pathetic that she has to slander me to complete strangers. I don't do charge nurse unless I HAVE to. I have maybe done it twice about four months ago. First, it is a complete hassle and second, you don't get paid extra for it. I've turned down the position twice in the last year. AND NOBODY DIED THESE PAST FIVE WEEKENDS. Not on my shift anyway. And, most nights we don't have time to pee, much less sit around in the break room and watch a movie. Idiots.

Then Loser started in with Little Bit. How "that's what that family does, steal children" THAT'S RICH!!!! That "her poor mother was disabled, only having one leg, and because they had money, they got custody" ?????? Hummmmm lets see that history. Mother of four children, custody of none because of mental health and crack addiction who has an extensive history of documented child abuse and neglect, children's services had the child in foster care and so yes, I paid to make sure she didn't stay in foster care like her little half brother still is, two years later, instead she gets to grow up with my son, her older half brother. That makes me one horrible *** person doesn't it?! Yup, raising your ex husbands child that he went out and had with a crackhead screams B***H doesn't it?!!! I can't believe he even fixed his mouth to say her precious name. What kind of person brings an innocent four year old child into THEIR b*llsh*t?

I hate these people. I really do.

Now we don't have exact proof of where the actual urine came from, but, after the hearing, Loser practically sprinted to the bathroom and amazingly came out with his mother's boyfriend 20 whole seconds later.

Now my daughter knows him too well. (that and one of his friends posted a picture taken last week, of Loser and his buddies, on MySpace, sitting in the living room of the home that Freakmil still swears she lives, smoking joints and drinking beer so we know that his screen should come up positive) His trick is to have someone pee in a condom and he puts it into his underwear to keep it warm. She let her attorney and the person that was to be testing her know what had happened as soon as we went downstairs.

Me thinks he must have been caught.

This because she gave her sample then Loser went in right after her to give his. She was in there less than five minutes. My daughter and I left the courthouse, then went to a restaurant and had lunch, then started home, then remembered that we had to pay for the tests and turned around and went back to the court, all this taking about an hour and a half. He was just then leaving the building and he LOOKED TICKED. OOPS.:rolleyes:

If he tests positive, THEY are supposed to get only supervised visitation until the next hearing on DECEMBER 21st (what a crock. she'll be off probation by then). Well, as far as his testing positive, I hope so. I hope they did catch him trying to pass a fake sample. I guess we'll find out in a couple of days/next week.

Wow. All I can say is .....


AAAAARGH!!!!!

I've thought about pulling my hair out but then I would look weird. The words complete frustration just don't convey the feelings I am having right now.

I've thought about pulling my hair out but then I would look weird. The words complete frustration just don't convey the feelings I am having right now.

wow wow wow wow- I sure hope they caught him cheating!!!!!!

wow wow wow wow- I sure hope they caught him cheating!!!!!!

That would be nice huh? Especially with the pictures we copied off myspace, with those pictures being taken where his mother says she lives, where visitations are supposedly taking place, and with mom's boyfriend being the donor of the pee..... which also shows that mom and the boyfriend know about her son's drug use.... (they didn't know there would be drug testing until after we got to court) :p

As far as Loser's drinking and drug use, we have tracked that activity through Myspace by comments left by him and left for him. We have pretty much determined that Tues - Sunday are his prime times. (Mondays must be rest day) Also seems that the weekends when he is supposed to be having his visitation, have yet to interrupt this Tues - Sun party schedule.

We have also now hired the bouncer's (who also happen to be process servers for our attorney) at Freakmil's favorite bar to keep track of her comings and goings. If we can also determine that she too is partying like her son is, on visitation weekends, we can use that to end the visitations.

Crossing fingers and toes here.

Hmmm a good lawyer would have came in sick, or completely briefed the new one! Maybe your lawyer didn't want to be drug tested lol! JUST KIDDING! I can't believe though that he would miss in such sensitive times! I am surprised you didn't say anything to the judge about having the same lawyer, isn't that conflict of interest?? If I had the money hon, I would send it to you for a private detective. Could you imagine pictures being taken of them doing their drive bys and drugs!!

Hey Turbo... lol thanks for the offer... but they are providing us plenty of evidence just by being stupid and posting it on MySpace. Though, it does seem every time I turn around I'm paying something out for this whole mess. I just hope that the court will award us legal expenses for this. Even if we can only get half back it would be nice.

Yea, it was kind of frustrating that the attorney wasn't briefed. I did say something about the conflict of interest issue and that they had already been told not to have the same attorney, but it was to the attorney who didn't say squat. Still ticked about that. Saying nothing at all sets a precedent that we are okay with letting them do this. If she had said at least something, anything, it would have let the court know that we didn't agree.


Today we went for the paternity testing at the child support office. Freakmil, boyfriend, Loser, and a different friend of Loser all showed up. It was very weird. When we first got there and were standing in line to check in, we didn't see them. My cousin works as a supervisor for the county department of human services and her office happens to be connected to the lobby of where we were waiting. We visited her for a little while, while we waited for my daughter's name to be called. We left her office after about 20 minutes or so, and went to wait in the lobby. That's when we saw them. My grandson called out to them and waved. My daughter, at first, didn't want to put him down. Just seeing Freakmil makes her blood boil (mine too but what can we really do at this point). I told her to let him go visit them. She put him down and he went over to them. My daughter had to turn and face me because she immediately started crying. That was so hard to see.

He stayed with them for about five minutes or so and kept turning around and pointing/saying "Mommy". He is very clear when he calls Freakmil "Mamaw". So much for her contention that he calls her mommy. (something that she swore to in the hearings). He kept calling Loser and his new friend "Daddy". They kept correcting him but he would still slip. Sad.

Freakmil and boyfriend wanted to go out for a smoke and brought my grandson back to my daughter. Freakmil tried to establish that she "shouldn't let him run around/away like that... that's it's dangerous". huh? My daughter let him go 15 feet away directly to them in an open waiting room with no where for him to disappear to and maybe two people between us and them. Yea, that's really neglectful/dangerous. And how weird is it that she did this, bringing my grandson back to his mother, rather than let him continue to visit with his father, her son? Loser wasn't going anywhere. It just seemed that she wanted to scold and attempt to embarrass my daughter publicly. Just weird all around.

So, they go in for testing and Loser informs my daughter that he has gotten a new job and is being paid "under the table" $16 per hour. He said this right in front of the child support worker. The child support worker said she would make a note of the conversation just in case he claims unemployment when they calculate his support.

On another weird twist, allegedly there has been a fallout within the Brain Trust. Little sister (17yo) and Losers dumb and dumberer former joined at the hip sidekick have been ousted from the home. Apparently, they have begun a relationship and Freakmil kicked them out of the house. The 17yo is now living with Freakmil's former fiance' and the buddy is now living with Loser's grandparents. (as a side note, the grandparents hate Freakmil, AND happen to have been lifelong church friends of my daughter's paternal grandmother, AND they have apparently cut Loser off as normally, they would have paid for an attorney for him as they had every other time he has gotten into legal trouble, they raised him until he was 17) Sis and the buddy began sending messages and texting my daughter last night begging forgiveness and asking to meet. My daughters response: "Please forgive me if I find your apologies just a bit too late and difficult to believe. The end." (YEAH! YOU GO BABY GIRL!!) She told me that there is no way she is going to engage in any contact with either of them until the case is concluded and only if Loser's grandparents supervise. (These are truly salt-of-the-earth kind of people who apparently had a long chat with my daughters paternal grandmother right after the papers were found, and have been nothing but supportive of my daughter through all of this.)


OSM

Hon, I don't know how you even deal with these people without giving into the urge to kick ***! I have to give you my deepest bow of respect....bow....

Bay

The urge is strong..... must-maintain-focus.....must-not-commit-aggravated-felonious-assault.....must-play-nice........ at least until the case is closed....:p

The urge is strong..... must-maintain-focus.....must-not-commit-aggravated-felonious-assault.....must-play-nice........ at least until the case is closed....:p

Wouldn't it be sad if the loser or another member of the BT were to fall victim to a "random" act of violance...'cause you know how dangerous our streets are getting...sigh...just another unfortunate statistic....;)

A girl can dream can't she!!!?!!! As much as those people run their mouths, it really wouldn't surprise me to hear that some unfortunate event took place. Unfortunately, it likely will not be me. :rolleyes:

Here's a wierd little antedote from my wierd life.:)

When A's father was still allowed to exercise visitation, he had to come to Dallas. Well, I kept thinking...just one little accident (yes, I can be a very mean, cold person...but those that know my situation understand) was all it would take. I didn't want anyone else to suffer injury, just him. Now, how this would happen on an airplane, I hadn't worked out. I didn't care, I just wanted it to happen.

Well, his flight had to make an emergency landing. It was on the news, it was a HUGE BREAKING STORY....you get the picture. Nobody was seriously hurt, just shook up a bit.

The kicker? He missed the damn flight!!!!!

Sorry for the hi-jack. Just thought since we is all up late like;) , I'd share.

Here's a wierd little antedote from my wierd life.:)

When A's father was still allowed to exercise visitation, he had to come to Dallas. Well, I kept thinking...just one little accident (yes, I can be a very mean, cold person...but those that know my situation understand) was all it would take. I didn't want anyone else to suffer injury, just him. Now, how this would happen on an airplane, I hadn't worked out. I didn't care, I just wanted it to happen.

Well, his flight had to make an emergency landing. It was on the news, it was a HUGE BREAKING STORY....you get the picture. Nobody was seriously hurt, just shook up a bit.

The kicker? He missed the damn flight!!!!!

Sorry for the hi-jack. Just thought since we is all up late like;) , I'd share.

I have a similar fantasy...only it involves a single car accident with him wrapped around a oak tree....but he just had his license revoked for 10 years so I will have to think up a new one...

I too must admit to having fantasies about certain retributions to these people. I've tried to keep those fantasies as gore free as possible. I've found the following article in our city's news paper quite comforting and I hope it is a fantasy that I can see through to fruition.


Prosecutor: Mother's false statement caused father's custody loss
By ...........

Staff Writer

Friday, August 03, 2007

(city in our same county) — The trial of a ........... mother accused of providing a sworn false statement on a form that resulted in the temporary removal of her daughter from her father's care began Thursday in ........ County Common Pleas Court.

Stephanie R.........., 28, the mother of seven children, attempted to circumvent the legal system in October when she did not disclose the truth about her criminal record and that there was a past case involving her 12-year-old daughter in ........ County Juvenile Court, according to prosecutors.

Stephanie R........., who is accused of perjury in a child custody case, sits inside Judge Michael S....... , ........ County Common Pleas courtroom Thursday.

R........ is charged with perjury, a third-degree felony that carries a sentence of one to five years in prison.

Steve S......., the girl's father, had a brief relationship with R........, resulting in the birth of their daughter. Settle took full custody of his daughter when she was seven years old after R........ was found to be neglecting the girl as well as her siblings during a ........ County Juvenile Court proceeding.

The father cared for his daughter until October of 2006 when the girl was removed from his custody for two weeks based on false statements she made on a form used to grant a motion for emergency removal of the child.

Defense attorney Jeremy ....... said R....... was directed to Domestic Relations Court after talking with an attorney. He said she was trying to protect her daughter after hearing some information about her treatment in S........ custody.

"She did not make any false statements," Evans said. "She did the best she could. She was upset, confused and alone."

The case is scheduled to continue today in ....... County Common Pleas Judge Michael S....... courtroom.




I just looked the case up on our county clerk's website and this person was convicted. I just have to figure out who to talk to about getting things rolling with Freakmil. (maybe that's why she keeps picking criminal attorneys?!!:p )

The urge is strong..... must-maintain-focus.....must-not-commit-aggravated-felonious-assault.....must-play-nice........ at least until the case is closed....:p

Ba ha ha ha ha ha ha!! You are so strong and so funny at the same time. Want to adopt your friends here from llt??:p I also must follow suit and bow at your continuous strength, and I must say thanks to God for being there when needed the most!! They say everything happens for a reason, I don't quiet know what the reason is, but I imagine that you have figured that one out yourself! Did you tell your lawyer that his "replacement sucked"? What did he say about the other attorney not saying anything to the judge about the others lawyer? I hope he is and was severly apologetic!! Did you find out what made him so sick that he could not find strength to just show up for the court date? I pray that that never happens again, the lawyer should know that this family will take advantage of any opportunity that arises, which they did with the lawyer. Can you at a later time contest their choice of lawyers, or is it to late now, since the replacement lawyer did not say anything? Ya the statement about letting your gs run around is just a feeble attempt at a personal attack, a feeble attempt from a very very small mind, tee hee!

I too must admit to having fantasies about certain retributions to these people. I've tried to keep those fantasies as gore free as possible. I've found the following article in our city's news paper quite comforting and I hope it is a fantasy that I can see through to fruition.


Prosecutor: Mother's false statement caused father's custody loss
By ...........

Staff Writer

Friday, August 03, 2007

(city in our same county) — The trial of a ........... mother accused of providing a sworn false statement on a form that resulted in the temporary removal of her daughter from her father's care began Thursday in ........ County Common Pleas Court.

Stephanie R.........., 28, the mother of seven children, attempted to circumvent the legal system in October when she did not disclose the truth about her criminal record and that there was a past case involving her 12-year-old daughter in ........ County Juvenile Court, according to prosecutors.

Stephanie R........., who is accused of perjury in a child custody case, sits inside Judge Michael S....... , ........ County Common Pleas courtroom Thursday.

R........ is charged with perjury, a third-degree felony that carries a sentence of one to five years in prison.

Steve S......., the girl's father, had a brief relationship with R........, resulting in the birth of their daughter. Settle took full custody of his daughter when she was seven years old after R........ was found to be neglecting the girl as well as her siblings during a ........ County Juvenile Court proceeding.

The father cared for his daughter until October of 2006 when the girl was removed from his custody for two weeks based on false statements she made on a form used to grant a motion for emergency removal of the child.

Defense attorney Jeremy ....... said R....... was directed to Domestic Relations Court after talking with an attorney. He said she was trying to protect her daughter after hearing some information about her treatment in S........ custody.

"She did not make any false statements," Evans said. "She did the best she could. She was upset, confused and alone."

The case is scheduled to continue today in ....... County Common Pleas Judge Michael S....... courtroom.




I just looked the case up on our county clerk's website and this person was convicted. I just have to figure out who to talk to about getting things rolling with Freakmil. (maybe that's why she keeps picking criminal attorneys?!!:p )

Hmmm, I would love to see them get 1 to 5 for purjery (sp?), but they deserve life for stupidity! I wanted to point out that in one sentence you let this guys last name slip, so you might want to go back and fix it.

Here's a wierd little antedote from my wierd life.:)

When A's father was still allowed to exercise visitation, he had to come to Dallas. Well, I kept thinking...just one little accident (yes, I can be a very mean, cold person...but those that know my situation understand) was all it would take. I didn't want anyone else to suffer injury, just him. Now, how this would happen on an airplane, I hadn't worked out. I didn't care, I just wanted it to happen.

Well, his flight had to make an emergency landing. It was on the news, it was a HUGE BREAKING STORY....you get the picture. Nobody was seriously hurt, just shook up a bit.

The kicker? He missed the damn flight!!!!!

Sorry for the hi-jack. Just thought since we is all up late like;) , I'd share.

Man I can't believe he missed the flight!! How crazy that was anyhow!! I hope all is going better with you Mommy!!

Those dang planes..... :rolleyes:


Turbo, we are still waiting for the call back from the actual attorney about our complaint about the clueless replacement attorney. :mad:

One thing I forgot to mention about Loser, his drug test came out tainted. Clean but the urine specific gravity (pee thickness) was diluted so even if there were drug metabolites in his system, they likely wouldn't have registered because of the dilution.

So... I'm guessing here, I think he got caught trying to pass a fake sample and when that didn't work out, he either held water in his mouth and spit it into the sample or he dipped it in the toilet. Either way, it earned him a retest and this time it will be a hair sample and, per our attorney's office manager, the testing department said they don't care if they have to look up his arse to find one, they are going to find one and test it. lol

Those dang planes..... :rolleyes:


Turbo, we are still waiting for the call back from the actual attorney about our complaint about the clueless replacement attorney. :mad:

One thing I forgot to mention about Loser, his drug test came out tainted. Clean but the urine specific gravity (pee thickness) was diluted so even if there were drug metabolites in his system, they likely wouldn't have registered because of the dilution.

So... I'm guessing here, I think he got caught trying to pass a fake sample and when that didn't work out, he either held water in his mouth and spit it into the sample or he dipped it in the toilet. Either way, it earned him a retest and this time it will be a hair sample and, per our attorney's office manager, the testing department said they don't care if they have to look up his arse to find one, they are going to find one and test it. lol

Oh gosh that is funny! He must be bald! I hope they stay away from the hairs on his arms and legs and goes for the hairs elsewhere lol!

Per my daughter... he shaves.... everywhere.... just in case there is an occasion to have to be hair tested. He apparently started doing this after he started court dealings with his twins.

Ya know, and maybe this is just me, and I think it stinks just to have to shave my legs at least 2x a week, it just seems to me that it would be much easier to "Just say NO" then to have to shave my entire body....lol

If they can't find a hair (and really, the mental picture you gave me was not pleasant. Man, what did I do to deserve that???:D ) mention the possibility of testing his fingernails. Unless he wants to rip out his finger nails and toe nails, there will be SOMETHING to test.

Even if he keeps them cut short, the test can still be done. It detects drugs ingested in the previous 4-5 months.

Does he shave his eyebrows? Those are testable also.

Yup, everything.


I just sent an email to the attorney's office, if you have a moment, tell me what you think. I sent it to both the attorney and the office manager (with whom most of our conversations occur)




Hello and I hope that you had a nice long holiday weekend.



There are some things that occurred in reference to the last hearing, as well as another issue, that have K.......... and I concerned. I understand that I am not the client here, however, I am alone in paying for B........ services. T........ has "wiped his hands clean" regarding our daughter. If confidentiality prohibits you responding to this email, K......... and I, since these concerns are shared, have discussed these issues and are both prepared to discuss them with you. If you would prefer to address them with her, she may be reached at ................



One of our first concerns is that, at the last hearing B...... needed to be elsewhere. Completely understandable. However, the stress of this case, especially just prior to and at the hearings, is very hard on K.......... She is having complications with the pregnancy due to the stress. It was very hard on her to find out that B....... would not be present only after searching the court house and finally calling your offices to find out where B...... was, which was after the scheduled time of the hearing. The attorney sent could not recall a single detail of my daughter's case until after the hearing. In the future, if ever there needs to be someone other than B........ who attends any future hearing with K.........., I hope that she would be notified as soon as possible and the attorney at least have a cursory knowledge of her case, and the kind of character deficient people we are dealing with.



Next, in the hearing on May 11, 2007, Magistrate B........ informed Ms. ......... and Mr. ..........that due to possible ethics conflicts, as Ms. .......... also filed her original petition against both Mr. .......... and K........., he suggested they each have their own attorney. However, at this last, August 23rd hearing, Ms. .........'s attorney was permitted to represent Mr. ......... I informed the replacement attorney that this issue had previously been addressed yet neither did she address it nor question it. Even when Magistrate B.......... began to question it. My fear is that this will have now set a precedence for future hearings that would allow them to continue to jointly use one attorney. This may be petty but they both deserve to pay for their deception.



Next, I am aware that we were requesting the drug testing of Mr. .......... However, in response to our request for his testing, the opposing counsel asked for testing for K.......... That was fine. However, for me to be required to pay for both tests seemed a bit unfair. I can see why we would be required to pay for Mr. ..........'s test, but do not understand, since it was opposing counsel's request to test K.........., why I would need to pay for her testing.



Next, paternity testing was ordered and K............ was ordered to pay for the paternity testing. She is on welfare. In fact, her benefits were suspended temporarily because she was not "co-operating" with the CSEA in determining paternity and she has yet to submit copies of her son's social security card. She currently has been given a grace period in order to provide copies of the required documents (documents that Ms. ......... refuses to turn over). When someone is on welfare, as I'm sure you are aware, ODJFS arranges and pays for paternity testing. However, because of how the order was worded, I ended up having to pay immediately for the testing or they wouldn't have performed the test. Had the order been worded differently, the ODJFS would have covered the cost.



Because of these last two items, having to pay for the extra drug screen and the paternity testing, I am out $189.00. Money that could have and would have been paid on K........'s account with your firm. These kind of oversights have now severely hampered my ability to pay my normal monthly amount to your firm.



I am now told that since Mr. .........'s drug screen sample was diluted, and the county suggests retesting, that I will need to pay for that as well. It seems to me that if Mr. ........'s sample was tampered with, (because of my experience with urine drug screens through my profession, I am certain that tampering was the only possible cause for the urine specific gravity to be too low), it should be the opposing party's responsibility to pay for any type of further testing ordered. Whether that testing be of urine, hair, or toe nail. He was the one that tampered with the sample. He should be held responsible for paying for the suggested re-testing.



As mentioned before, my daughter is still in danger of having her welfare benefits terminated because of Ms. ...........'s continued refusal to return my grandson's documentation. Nearly a month has gone by since your office was first notified of this situation, as well as about Ms. ........'s continued withholding of K........'s mail and personal property. I was told at that time that a letter would be sent to Ms. ..........'s attorney "right away" requesting the return of (grandson's) documents and K........'s items. However, two weeks later, when I called to see if there had been a response, I found that a letter had yet to be sent. We still have yet to be told whether or not this letter has been sent or responded to. I realize that your firm is very busy and that you have many clients, however, K......... has only 8 weeks left until she is delivered by cesarean section. We certainly cannot afford for her medical benefits to be terminated at this point.



Finally, paternity testing was ordered to be conducted with all parties present. As I'm sure, both of you are well aware of the continual harassment of my daughter by the opposing parties. Had the attorney that was sent in B.....'s stead to represent K.........., been briefed about this situation, I'm sure that she would not have allowed this type of scheduling to be ordered. Of course, just as they have done at each and every court hearing, Mr. ........ and Ms. ......... used this opportunity to further harass K........ I am having difficulty believing that these behaviors, particularly the openly boisterous and slandering statements about K........... and our family is to be expected, ignored, and tolerated. Especially in the halls and lobbies of our county offices and courts. In this case, it could have easily been avoided.



We very much want to be "good" clients. We want to be able to reliably pay towards K.........'s account. Every time I have "extra" money, I pay as much as possible. The trouble is, as long as we are the only party being ordered to pay for any of these things, on a case that technically should not exist but does due to the perjury of Ms. ........., our ability to pay in a timely manner will continue to be hampered. I am and have been trying to pick up extra shifts at my work in order to pay the attorney fees, but there is a "no overtime" policy and only when staffing has been at critical levels, have my requests been granted.



I apologize for the length of this correspondence. However, in the interests of preserving and maintaining a good working relationship, working towards the common goals of a favorable final ruling for K......... and full prompt payment of B.......'s fees, I hope that you understand why I felt it necessary to address these items.



With Respect,

like the letter- good job!

If they can't find a hair (and really, the mental picture you gave me was not pleasant. Man, what did I do to deserve that???:D ) mention the possibility of testing his fingernails. Unless he wants to rip out his finger nails and toe nails, there will be SOMETHING to test.

Even if he keeps them cut short, the test can still be done. It detects drugs ingested in the previous 4-5 months.

Sweet, what do they do, just scrape underneath it, or do they have to take it off? I wouldn't mind seeing chinese torture, and they rip it off....there we go with fantasies again. Thank God fantasies don't come true just from thinking about it. Well.....the plane incident was pretty close!

That was a great letter! It sounds like you and your daughter need to go into the office together, and she can sign a paper stateing that they can and will speak to you about anything and everything about the case. I don't think it is their choice, I think it is the clients choice on who they can divulge information to. If that letter does not get things done, they suck! When you make the appointment, I would request that they have the letter to the other family ready, but not sealed, so you can read what it pertains. I would make sure that they send it certified, so they have to sign for it, and they can't lie, and say they never recieved it. You should NOT have to pay for that second test, fight that with all your might!!! Can you apply for another social security card for the child (isn't that what welfare is waiting for?) I wonder if fart face could get in trouble from the judge for tampering with the court ordered test (contempt of court maybe lol)?

Sweet, what do they do, just scrape underneath it, or do they have to take it off? I wouldn't mind seeing chinese torture, and they rip it off....there we go with fantasies again. Thank God fantasies don't come true just from thinking about it. Well.....the plane incident was pretty close!

They can clip them if there is enough to clip. If not, then they can shave a bit of the nail for testing. It's painless (in this case, unfortunately).

I thought of it because I remembered a thread on here (from a LOOOOONG time ago) where a woman had removed all of her fingernails and toenails to try to avoid testing. **shudder**

OSM, the letter's great. Next time I need to write a serious letter, I'm going to see if I can get you to do it for me. :)

OSM, the letter's great. Next time I need to write a serious letter, I'm going to see if I can get you to do it for me. :)

You are right mommy, it was very proffesional, and to the point, she stressed that this was becoming a financial stress on her, without blowing up. I would not be so nice, mine would be, "I have been pulling money out of my ars so long, that now my butt makes a.t.m sounds when I go to the bathroom" lol! On a serious note, I would hope that this attorney bends over BACKWARD! He has screwed up so much lately, and has shown incompetance that is unacceptable, I would think that he should be taking any fees for the court date, off of his bill, since no attorney help was available, and nothing was accomplished, and all went worse on that one day! It was his responsibility to make sure that things would go as smooth as it would of if he was there, and he did not do his job and make that happen! Wow, the more I think about it, the more pissed off I get at this attorney!! Sorry guys, its just that they are going through enough, that their legal support system should be the last thing making things worse! I will be praying for things to start going much better, and that my anger toward this guy goes away!

So, my daughter received a letter in response to my email. In it the lawyer (remember she is who represented my ex since 1997) basically said to my daughter that the bill is her responsibility and not mine and that she should not look to me or her father as role models in how to get along with Loser. Nice. Especially since, with the exception of the recent child support case (which they lost and which could have been a minimum of the third CS adjustment that I could have filed but didn't because I was trying to get along with him), every litigation since 1997 between he and I has been initiated by him and settled by mediation (by my agreement). I think she got it mixed up as to who is an unfit example of how to work things out (that party being my ex who apparently owes her more than 4K :p )

Of course I didn't expect for this person to like me but I thought that letting her know that the "oversights" mentioned were going to have an effect on her payments might have gotten at least an acknowledgement and perhaps an apology. Not.

This attorney is known for her advocacy of "father's rights". Now, I am all for father's rights if the father is actually acting like a father. By that I don't just mean paying support. I mean anyone can cut a check. What I am talking about is being a decent person (even if you have to look deep down to see it lol), being involved in their children's lives, doing things with them, spending the time they have with them, actually with them (and not high or drunk).

In this case, we have a guy (Loser) who actually let (and helped) his mother steal custody of his child in order to avoid child support and has done nothing but harass and embarrass the mother of his child (and our family) since then. Someone who actually agreed with his mother that he was "a sorry excuse for a father" rather than step up and be a real father. Someone who, when he is supposed to be having his visitation (currently only 4 days out of the month), spends that time with his buddies partying. (And is stupid enough to publicly post pictures of this partying that are date and time stamped AND has not paid a single dime to support his son since she found the papers and left.)

OMG what I wouldn't give to be able to switch attorneys right now. I wish I'd have just told my ex "Fine, if you're not going to pay anything for her attorney unless we use yours, you're the one that has to have that on your conscience." and gone with someone else. Instead, I caved because I didn't have all the money for the other attorney's retainer. I just have to keep reminding myself that we had to work it this way or we might not have gotten the emergency order as "fast" as we did.

Sorry about the rant but that letter just ticked me off. Literally, every other sentence was a slam in one way or another against me specifically. She has NO CLUE of all the things I have overlooked and sucked up when dealing with my ex to try to coparent with him. Hell, she represented him when he had me served with papers seeking full custody at my freakin wedding reception. What a B*TCH!!!!

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So, my daughter received a letter in response to my email. In it the lawyer (remember she is who represented my ex since 1997) basically said to my daughter that the bill is her responsibility and not mine and that she should not look to me or her father as role models in how to get along with Loser. Nice. Especially since, with the exception of the recent child support case (which they lost and which could have been a minimum of the third CS adjustment that I could have filed but didn't because I was trying to get along with him), every litigation since 1997 between he and I has been initiated by him and settled by mediation (by my agreement). I think she got it mixed up as to who is an unfit example of how to work things out (that party being my ex who apparently owes her more than 4K :p )

Of course I didn't expect for this person to like me but I thought that letting her know that the "oversights" mentioned were going to have an effect on her payments might have gotten at least an acknowledgement and perhaps an apology. Not.

This attorney is known for her advocacy of "father's rights". Now, I am all for father's rights if the father is actually acting like a father. By that I don't just mean paying support. I mean anyone can cut a check. What I am talking about is being a decent person (even if you have to look deep down to see it lol), being involved in their children's lives, doing things with them, spending the time they have with them, actually with them (and not high or drunk).

In this case, we have a guy (Loser) who actually let (and helped) his mother steal custody of his child in order to avoid child support and has done nothing but harass and embarrass the mother of his child (and our family) since then. Someone who actually agreed with his mother that he was "a sorry excuse for a father" rather than step up and be a real father. Someone who, when he is supposed to be having his visitation (currently only 4 days out of the month), spends that time with his buddies partying. (And is stupid enough to publicly post pictures of this partying that are date and time stamped AND has not paid a single dime to support his son since she found the papers and left.)

OMG what I wouldn't give to be able to switch attorneys right now. I wish I'd have just told my ex "Fine, if you're not going to pay anything for her attorney unless we use yours, you're the one that has to have that on your conscience." and gone with someone else. Instead, I caved because I didn't have all the money for the other attorney's retainer. I just have to keep reminding myself that we had to work it this way or we might not have gotten the emergency order as "fast" as we did.

Sorry about the rant but that letter just ticked me off. Literally, every other sentence was a slam in one way or another against me specifically. She has NO CLUE of all the things I have overlooked and sucked up when dealing with my ex to try to coparent with him. Hell, she represented him when he had me served with papers seeking full custody at my freakin wedding reception. What a B*TCH!!!!

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wow- just wow.....sometimes lawyers really have earned every nasty thing ever said about them!

you know OSM- you may want to have your daughter set up an appointment with her, and you accompany her in, just so you can ask this ***** if her obvious distaste for you is going to impede her abilities with regards to representing your daughter

I think it may come to that if there are any more issues.

I think it may come to that if there are any more issues.

Sorry, I would fire her now. She got the emergency taken care of, but beyond that I see a big conflict of interest!!

Well, after over a month of chest pain several times a day, my daughter's water broke this morning. My new grandson was nearly four weeks early, weighed 8 pounds and was 20inches long. He has ton's of hair. I got to be in there when they did her c-section!!! :D :D :D

She called Loser on the way to the hospital and believe it or not, Freakmil and the Brain Trust complied with her wishes and only Loser came to the hospital. May wonders never cease.

Hopefully they will continue to be as cooperative for the rest of her stay.

OSM

Well, after over a month of chest pain several times a day, my daughter's water broke this morning. My new grandson was nearly four weeks early, weighed 8 pounds and was 20inches long. He has ton's of hair. I got to be in there when they did her c-section!!! :D :D :D

She called Loser on the way to the hospital and believe it or not, Freakmil and the Brain Trust complied with her wishes and only Loser came to the hospital. May wonders never cease.

Hopefully they will continue to be as cooperative for the rest of her stay.

OSM

OMG!! Congratulations Gramma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool:

Can you imagine how BIG he would have been if he was full term?? :eek: OUCH!!

How was the idiot? Did he behave?

YEA-congrats- I'm suprised she called him at all. tell her we said congrats!!!

Idiot completely behaved himself. Didn't kick up a fuss when he realized I would be the one going in with her. Didn't try to bring anyone with him. Thanked me when I offered to take pictures for him (the often too polite and accommodating part of me that needs to be put in check:p ). Left when she asked him to when she started getting tired.

Pretty much he was acting out of all of the guilt he SHOULD be having right about then by listening to what she was telling him and doing what she asked. If only that part of him had kicked in when it really mattered.

As she explained it to me, the reason she called him was because he is the father and no matter what has happened, he should be there to see his child born. I'll call that grace under pressure. When he got to her room, about 20 minutes before they took her to surgery, she told him she was doing this (calling him to be there) out of respect for their child and for him as his father. That, she didn't want anything from him other than for him to take care of his responsibilities as a father and to be there for his sons.

He did ask if his sister could come, and that none of them "have anything to do with mom (freakmil) anymore" and she told him "No" because of the threats his sister had sent to her by text. He tried to act as if he had no idea his sister was doing that but this is something I know she spoke to him about before during one of the exchanges. Funny that he drove his mothers car to the hospital if he and his siblings have "nothing" to do with their mother anymore. I guess they are all still trying to play the "you're-(we)-are-too-stupid-to-realize-what-is-really-going-on thing. At least for yesterday, he kept himself in check.

I'll tell her that her legal eagle cyber family said hi and congratulations. ;)

I'm sure something will hit the fan shortly and ya know I'll be here to share.:p

Congratulations on the brand new baby! That's a big boy! I just know he is darling. :D

I'm so glad to hear that your daughter had some relative peace. Now I will just pray that it will continue. If he doesn't continue to behave, I will pray for something else.;)

Congrats OSM!! How is mommy and the new baby doing??

I'm glad loser was at least somewhat presentable in the presence of your daughter and new grandson. Hopefully he keeps it up!

Yesterday was a steady stream of visitors for my daughter and GS#2. With the very notable exception of her father. He was giving her a hard time and giving BS reasons of why he couldn't come up to see them. Her dad and I got into it at his house when I dropped off our younger daughter for her dinner night with him. In his usual style, he assumed that by letting Loser be at the hospital when the baby was born, and not the young man that she has been seeing, she was taking Loser back and therefore our daughter was an "idiot" (his words) and he wasn't going to visit her and the baby at the hospital. The man only knows how to judge people yet never bothers to find out the reasons behind other's actions.

The night before her water broke, she broke it off with the young man she was seeing because she found out he was smoking pot. She told him that he would have to quit completely or they could not be together and that no man was worth risking her children for. He began to come up with excuses to continue, she told him they could not be together. To me, she made a completely mature and responsible decision.

To her father, who cannot take the time to call her or stop by or even bother asking, in his mind, she was "going to get back with that SOB and if she does, she's too stupid to live". So after we got to his house, when our younger daughter went into the house, I called his cell and asked him to come out and then set his a$$ on fire. ;) Years of frustration with him and his judgemental attitude and near complete lack of support he's shown our daughter since all this started in May, flew out of my mouth. By the time we were done, he was on the phone with her and apologizing for being such an "asshole". Calling his buddy to tell him that he couldn't help him take his car to the dealership (the very very important reason he couldn't go to see her and the baby) I nearly fell over. He ended up going up there after dropping our younger daughter off at my house. Apparently, they had a really good visit and my daughter was so much better when I went late last night (she was having a Ben and Jerry's Cherry Garcia moment lol).

Loser told her he would come yesterday and didn't. Suprise? Not so much. All of them have been on Myspace but none of them have posted any pictures of the baby or mentioned him at all. Surprise? Not so much.

It's been a while since I posted about my daughter and the trouble she is having with F&BT mostly because it really hasn't changed much. Same stuff different day, until yesterday evening.


The custody papers we have states that Freakmil has visitation and that Loser may "exercise his parenting time concurrently" with his mother. Her attorney advised her that if Freakmil doesn't come to the exchange for drop off, and only Loser shows up that we are not to go through with the exchange. His mother originally filed against both of them as unfit (to make it look like he had nothing to do with it and he has since confessed under oath that he did know) and that makes them (all three of them) opposing parties unless he files his own motion for custody/visitation, which he has not.

Yesterday that situation arose and Loser showed up alone. He said that his mother was working until 10. Not that I believe she has a job, but, my daughter had called her earlier (after two days of un-returned calls to Loser to ask to change weekends because GS1 is sick). During their conversation, Freakmil never mentioned anything about not being there and said SHE could handle GS being sick.

When we brought up what her attorney advised, he grabbed GS and became belligerent, making threats to have her back in court tomorrow (on a Saturday). Loser was yelling. GS was confused. My daughter was crying. I was silently ticked and holding GS2 and couldn't do anything. She went ahead and let him take GS1 rather than let the situation escalate further.

The exchange was in the police lobby (no officer posted as usual and no surveillance equipment) We couldn't get the attention of the police dispatchers. My cell was in the damn car. And the way he was raging, and physically threatening her by taking steps towards her when she was already up against the wall (while he was holding GS1), I couldn't chance leaving her to defend herself. She's only three weeks postpartum c-section.


I can understand her reasoning, that she didn't want the baby upset and she was afraid of his continued rage. I have it on tape and he is out of control.

However, she went against her attorney's advice. I can't see this turning out positive. She went against the court order and her attorney's advice and gave the baby to someone, in the courts eyes, is still considered unfit and has made no claim for custody and no effort to defend himself against his mother's allegations of being unfit.

I just hope the court (and her attorney) will understand once they listen to his raging on the recording. He scared her.

How do I get her to understand that as long as she continues to cave into his raging that he will continue to bully her.

It is very hard when someone is in your face in anger, she can say she did it for the safety of the child, and see if an officer can be present at each exchange, so if the other person is not there, he has no choice but to turn away without the child. I sure wish the exchange could take place in front of someone, or close enough that they can hear/see what is taking place. Is that at all possible. Has she called the attorney to let him/her know that he threatened her into handing over the baby? I would not even wait for an appointment, I would put the call in today. I would also file a restraining order, if you have not, because he threatened her and the baby. Congrats by the way! I am so sorry I have not been around lately, I took a little time off from the computer to get things together here. I quit my job of 10 years, and started a new one, so I needed my concentration to be there. The job I have now, the district manager has allready approached me about managing one of their stores. I will also be going to college eventually for accounting, numbers is my specialty lol! Keep your chin up guys!!

We are definitely going to call ahead to request an officer be in the lobby this time. They are supposed to bring him back tonight at 6.

There is no way to contact the attorney over the weekend. Bright and early Monday morning they are going to get a call.


Way to go turb!!!!!!!! Sounds good all around and we have missed you!

We are definitely going to call ahead to request an officer be in the lobby this time. They are supposed to bring him back tonight at 6.

There is no way to contact the attorney over the weekend. Bright and early Monday morning they are going to get a call.


Way to go turb!!!!!!!! Sounds good all around and we have missed you!

I missed you guys to terribly! I don't think butthead is going to give grief when returning the child, he already got what he wanted by having the child, but it would be safe just the same. I am just hoping there is one the next time the two are not there together to get the child. Dumb statement because I know you are one step ahead of me, but bring the paperwork that states the two must be there. The police can act with this paperwork in hand. Gosh I dislike these people, and I don't dislike very many people. Smile very widely now while you are thinking, "dumb and dumber can never reach the mental capacity to outwit you when it comes to the law". They are just so screwed when they think they can screw those with TRUE friends! (((((OSM))))) its a cyber hug...

I am so sorry I have not been around lately, I took a little time off from the computer to get things together here. I quit my job of 10 years, and started a new one, so I needed my concentration to be there. The job I have now, the district manager has allready approached me about managing one of their stores. I will also be going to college eventually for accounting, numbers is my specialty lol! Keep your chin up guys!!

Glad to have you back. Congrats on getting the job, i knew my prayers would be answered.:)

They did return GS1 as scheduled. Freakmil stayed in the car. Loser brought the baby into the lobby. He started right off with; that it was "in (my daughter's) best interest not to try to mess with" him again, to which she replied that she would just have her attorney forward the information to him through his mother's attorney. He attempted to continue to argue about different things but my daughter just kept walking towards the car saying "not in front of (GS1)".

When he couldn't get a rise out of her, he turned around to me and said he didn't know how we could be so "misinformed" about him continuing to spread rumors about her and I said "Well, I have some copies of your blogs in the car. If you want I can give them to you to refresh your memory, I've got a few extra copies." He said, "Well whatever you think you have on me, go ahead and send them to my attorney." I said "It's too bad you just don't get it. I don't want to have anything on you. I just want you to stop. However, I'm sure the judge will give your attorney a copy to keep." and just kept walking.

I know I shouldn't have said anything to him but there really is only so many times you can read the word "whore" in reference to your child, knowing everyone she has ever associated with, gone to school with, and thought was her friend, has also read it, to continue to remain silent. I didn't raise my voice but listening to him cut into my daughter straight away, and the crap he pulled at pick up didn't help my tone.



Guess we'll see how screwed we are (for going ahead with the visitation when he was the only one there for pick up, setting precedence and all) when she calls her attorney this morning.

When we brought up what her attorney advised, he grabbed GS and became belligerent, making threats to have her back in court tomorrow (on a Saturday). Loser was yelling. GS was confused. My daughter was crying. I was silently ticked and holding GS2 and couldn't do anything. She went ahead and let him take GS1 rather than let the situation escalate further.

The exchange was in the police lobby (no officer posted as usual and no surveillance equipment) We couldn't get the attention of the police dispatchers. My cell was in the damn car. And the way he was raging, and physically threatening her by taking steps towards her when she was already up against the wall (while he was holding GS1), I couldn't chance leaving her to defend herself. She's only three weeks postpartum c-section.


I can understand her reasoning, that she didn't want the baby upset and she was afraid of his continued rage. I have it on tape and he is out of control.


How do I get her to understand that as long as she continues to cave into his raging that he will continue to bully her.


From what you describe, it doesn't really sound like she let him take GS1 as much as he just plain out took him and upset her to the point she didn't have presence of mind to stop him. Hopefully the attorney will understand it that way also, and try to bring that to the judge's attention when they are in court again.

Unfortunately, it may be rather difficult to get it through your daughter's head that Loser is the same abuser he always was, he will probably never change ... this is just the only way he can abuse her now, but if she continues to allow it and shows him that he can get to her this way, it just lets him know he still has power over her.

Well, my daughter just left the attorney's office. She was able to speak with her without an appointment (yea) and the attorney was furious. Not at my daughter because she heard the tape of the exchange. She said we have all the evidence we need to prove that my daughter went ahead with the exchange to spare GS1 further drama. Because of his threats while holding GS1, he will "have a hard time" trying to get his own visitation. She said it was clear that he was not a reasonable or mature person that should be trusted with independent unsupervised visitation.

So, the letter, that will clearly state that unless Freakmil is there, there will be no visitation for their entire weekend and there will be no rescheduled "make-up" visitation. Period. This is because Loser refused all the alternatives we offered him during this incident (to wait until Freakmil was able to be there that night, to exchange the next morning, to exchange the next evening, to exchange weekends and have visitation this coming weekend). The recording proves which "side" of this is willing to compromise and which one is clearly uncooperative.

It's going out in tomorrow's mail to both Freakmil/Loser's attorney and certified mail to both his and her residences.

My daughter felt much stronger after speaking to the attorney. It's like their little talk gave her permission to stand up for herself. I just hope that message sticks.

Glad to have you back. Congrats on getting the job, i knew my prayers would be answered.:)

Awww thank you very much! It is so nice to have friends praying and wishing me well!!

Well, my daughter just left the attorney's office. She was able to speak with her without an appointment (yea) and the attorney was furious. Not at my daughter because she heard the tape of the exchange. She said we have all the evidence we need to prove that my daughter went ahead with the exchange to spare GS1 further drama. Because of his threats while holding GS1, he will "have a hard time" trying to get his own visitation. She said it was clear that he was not a reasonable or mature person that should be trusted with independent unsupervised visitation.

So, the letter, that will clearly state that unless Freakmil is there, there will be no visitation for their entire weekend and there will be no rescheduled "make-up" visitation. Period. This is because Loser refused all the alternatives we offered him during this incident (to wait until Freakmil was able to be there that night, to exchange the next morning, to exchange the next evening, to exchange weekends and have visitation this coming weekend). The recording proves which "side" of this is willing to compromise and which one is clearly uncooperative.

It's going out in tomorrow's mail to both Freakmil/Loser's attorney and certified mail to both his and her residences.

My daughter felt much stronger after speaking to the attorney. It's like their little talk gave her permission to stand up for herself. I just hope that message sticks.

That is soooo awesome, next to video, audio spells out the truth!! He can't deny it either!!!! Yaaaaa! Keep us informed. I love it when they screw up this bad, it is pure karma, and pure stupidity!

I wonder also what the court is going to think of the pics I copied off their MySpace profiles that show GS wasn't with Freakmil. Instead, the background of the pics show they were taken at Freakmil's ex fiance's house. Freakmil lives with her "fiance", the formerly married boyfriend. Loser and his two sisters live with the ex fiance. Loser posted that he was going to a club. His older sister was working. Which leaves the youngest sister alone with GS.

My daughter gave a detailed list of GS's medications and a schedule of when he was supposed to get them. She also marked the bottles before she packed them. Of the four medicines (Tylenol alternating with Motrin, Benadryl, and his antibiotic), the Tylenol and the Benadryl were not used at all. The Motrin was way overused and only the antibiotic was used appropriately. He came back with a cough that HAD been stopped for 3 days before the visitation and copious amounts of drainage that was making him vomit. They tried to remove the markings from the bottle (made with a paint pen) but couldn't get the marks off the paper labels.

My daughter had called Freakmil to try to change weekends because GS was sick. Freakmil told her "we can handle it". So the pics that the youngest sister posted showed him crying and pulling both of his ears, in the bathroom of the ex fiance's house AND her caption was "trying to look like a monkey..Look hard enough you can see a tear".

So Freakmil didn't have him. Loser was clubbing. And GS was with someone who obviously doesn't know the first thing about taking care of a sick child.

So, since Loser isn't even supposed to pick GS up alone, how do you think the attorney or the court is going to react to this?

I have sat here tonight, for the past oh... 2 hours now I think, reading this entire thread.... through every post, every situation, my heart has gone out to you, and I kept hoping I would read a happy ending when I got caught up....

As a step mom, whose family endured a custody battle for a 9 year old girl who we later learned had been sexually abused (by mom & neglected by another brainless family like the one you describe here)...... my heart goes out to both you and your daughter.

May God bless you for all that you've done for your family, and I pray that a resolution comes soon which provides peace & comfort for your daughter.

God Bless!
Amy

Thank you for your kind wishes. I really appreciate them.

Thank you for your kind wishes. I really appreciate them.


Ya know, there is a great book in all this somewhere.

I wish that book would hurry up and end! :)

Well, next Tuesday, my daughter meets with the attorney to discuss the settlement conference that is supposed to be at the end of next week. If we cannot get the visitations to end with the craziness of the last visitation weekend, (and whatever happens this weekend) we have been going over options for settlement.

Seeing as Freakmil has been laying low, and we cannot seem to gather much against her than we already have, (experienced criminals are harder to get evidence against because they know how to hide it better), what we have been working on is an agreement that will give Loser standard non-custodial parent things (with a lot of restrictions) as long as Freakmil drops out of the case.

We actually hope they will turn this down so we can continue to the part where Freakmil gets her comeuppance for all the crap she pulled when she filed for custody. So, let me know what you guys think about this, and what else would you add.........


1. (my daughter) retains sole legal and residential custody of GS1 (and GS2) and herein is referred to as the custodial parent.

2. (Freakmil) drops her case for custody.

3. Since (Loser’s) drug screen came back with an irregular result and the county suggests retesting, (Loser) shall be retested for drugs at (Freakmil's) and (Loser's) expense. This test must be hair sampling immediately following this agreement.

4. If (Loser’s) drug screen is negative, he shall have regular unsupervised visitation with (GS1) every other weekend and holidays according to the standard Juvenile Court non-custodial parent schedule.

If (Loser’s) drug screen is positive for any substance, he shall have supervised visitation, supervised by (my daughter), at such times as are agreed upon by the parties.

5. (Loser) (and (Freakmil) if she refuses to drop her case) shall not use any drugs and or alcohol during or within 12 hours of any visitation. If (Loser) (or Freakmil) is discovered to have used drugs or alcohol during or before a visitation weekend, all visitations will cease until a clean screening for drugs and or alcohol are submitted to (my daughter).

6. (my daughter) and (Loser) shall be given equal access to all school, medical, and daycare center records as well as any records relating to extracurricular or recreational activities relating to the children, to the extent that any parent has access to any of the above.

7. (my daughter) shall have the tax deductions for both children for odd numbered years. (Loser) shall have the tax deductions for both children for even numbered years if he is current (no arrearages) on child support by each years end. Otherwise, (my daughter) shall have the tax deduction for both children on even ending years as well as odd ending years, for as long as an arrearage exists.

OR Both (my daughter) and (Loser) shall claim one child per year for tax purposes as long as (Loser) is without arrearage by each years end. (Arrearage continued forward from prior years does count toward this condition for either of these options.) If there is an arrearage owed, (my daughter) shall claim both children for tax purposes each year so long as an arrearage exists.

8. (Loser) can have supervised visits with (GS2), commencing after the court and all parties receive the results of the paternity and drug testing. This visitation shall run concurrent with (GS1's) visitation schedule, until (GS2) reaches the age of one. At which time, (GS2) can begin overnight visitation along with (GS1).

These supervised visitations will be on each Friday and Sunday of (GS1's) visitations weekends.

Two options:

• (GS1's) visitation exchange / (GS2's) visitation can begin at 4:00 pm and last until 6:00 pm on Friday and Sunday.

• (GS1's) visitation exchange / (GS2's) visitation can begin at 6:00 pm and last until 8:00 pm on Friday and Sunday.

With these restrictions:

• These exchanges / visits must occur at mutually agreed upon location. Locations must be discussed and decided upon two weeks in advance.

• (Loser) may bring up to two guests to the visitation with (GS2) as to not overwhelm the children and make them uncomfortable.

• If there is any disruptive behavior on the part of (Loser) or any of his guests during visitation or prior to (my daughter's) departure from the visitation site, the visitation, for both (GS1) and (GS2), will immediately end and will not be required to be rescheduled.

• If the parent or party having visitation is more than 30 minutes late for visitation without notice to custodial parent, all visitation for that weekend, for both (GS1) and (GS2), will be cancelled and will not be required to be rescheduled.

9. If either (GS1) or (GS2) is ill, and the visitation must be cancelled for either or both of the children, the visitation should be rescheduled for the following weekend.

10. Only (my daughter) and (Loser) are to be referred to as Mother and Father of (GS1) and (GS2) including all nicknames for the titles (e.g.: Mommy, Mom, Daddy, Dad…etc….).

11. If a parent or party to this action desires to move, he or she must notify, IN WRITING: 1) the other parent or party; 2) the (our) County Juvenile Compliance Office with the proper form (Notice of Intent to Relocate); and 3) the (our) County Child Support Enforcement Agency.

If relocating within (our) County, written notice must be sent at least thirty (30) days in advance of move. If relocating outside of (our) County, written notice must be sent at least sixty (60) days in advance of move.

If the party having visitations does not give notice and is found to have moved without said notice, visitations shall cease until proof of residency is given to the afore mentioned parties.

12. Child support shall be in the amount specified by the CSEA and paid according to the provisions specified by the CSEA.

13. All parties to this case must provide each other with a working phone number that will enable any party to directly contact the other party. Calls made must pertain to the child(ren) and must not be used to harass the other party.

14. If either party has opportunity to cover the children with medical, dental, and or life insurance, that party must do so. The custodial parent’s insurance shall be the primary insurance and the non-custodial parent’s insurance shall be the secondary insurance. All information regarding insurance will be given to each party, including copies of insurance cards.

15. If this subject is not addressed by the CSEA, all medical or dental expenses not covered by insurance will be paid, in amounts prorated by income, by each party.

16. Copies of each parent’s yearly income statements, from all sources of income, shall be exchanged every year by February 28th.

17. (Freakmil) to be ordered to reimburse (my daughter) for all attorney fees incurred relating to this case.

17. Full reimbursement for the DNA testing of (GS1).

18. Full reimbursement for the drug screen for (my daughter).

19. Given (Freakmil's) past conviction for identity theft / theft by deception, the final order will contain a court order for both (my daughter) and (GS1) to obtain new social security numbers.

20. Return of (my daughter's) jewelry and personal mail.

Good luck on the Social Security number part. I had to help a friend clean up her 4 year old's SS# due to identity theft. He was not issued a new number.

4. If (Loser’s) drug screen is positive for any substance, he shall have supervised visitation, supervised by (my daughter), at such times as are agreed upon by the parties.



This is the only part that really glares out at me ... with the history, I'd be concerned that he'd use that time to chip away at her as he's done in the past, and intimidate her.

Is there someone, possibly a bit more neutral, who is willing and able to supervise and won't take his crap?

Given the animosity between our families, and his moves to alienate most of their mutual friends, unless it is a court appointed person (and that would usually only be assigned for one month), I really can't think of anyone.

My daughter gets along well with his paternal grandparents but they have a lot of health problems and it wouldn't be good to put them through that.

Because Freakmil still refuses to return GS1's ss info and my daughters personal papers, and she (Freakmil) has been convicted of felony identity theft in the past, my daughter asked the SS people how to get an ssn changed. They told her it had to be court ordered. Given Freakmil's history, I don't think it would be too much to ask that the court consider this request.

Does she have any friends that are NOT mutual friends?

I, too, am worried about putting her in the situation of having to supervise visits (although I do understand wanting to be able to monitor visits herself) knowing how he has treated her and the horrible stunts he has pulled. I also worry about her retaining her resolve when confronted with him regularly.

Personal unrealted note to OSM: You may be crazy to be a Browns fan, but you are not certifiable until you are a Bengals fan (that would be my husband.:p )

lololol Your poor husband! Is he on medication? lol :D


As far as my daughter supervising the visits, most likely, she will always have someone else with her. I just took that line from my custody agreement with my son and Little Bits father. He failed his drug screen and that's what the judge put in the final agreement.

We just have to find some (or several) volunteers to go with her to the visitation. I can go with her most of the time but we really need some back up folks. She's practically cut off nearly every single person she had been friends with when she was with him and since they had been together since her senior year, and her world revolved around him and his family, that leaves precious few that she trusts anymore or would be able to do it. Nearly all of our family (that are anywhere close to her age or would help) live in another state, several states away, and the few that live around here are not the types that would keep their cool if things started getting out of control.