http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5820548/

Winter is on the way and so are the colds and flus.
Last year we as a nation ran out of flu vaccines; so if your going to get a
vaccine you may want to start thinking about it soon..


Kerry & Edwards 2004!
http://www.democrats.org/


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/12/60minutes/main605700.shtml

http://www.msnbc.com/news/992470.asp?0si=-&cp1=1

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4078585/

On 26 Aug 2004 08:12:40 GMT, specialsearcher@aol.com (Specialsearcher)
wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5820548/Winter is on the way and so are the colds and flus.Last year we as a nation ran out of flu vaccines; so if your going to get avaccine you may want to start thinking about it soon..


Gee do you think they'll get any closer to formulating the proper
antibodies this time. I recall reading where much of the vaccine last
year was absolutely useless against the viral strain it was suppose to
protect against.

Em
The first half of our lives is ruined by our parents,
and the second half by our children.
--- Clarence Darrow
(make that YOUR children).

>I recall reading where much of the vaccine lastyear was absolutely useless against the viral strain it was suppose toprotect against.Em



It was useless against the worst strain but not the intended stain... I think
the flu season passed rather quickly last year, in part cause people were
vaccinated to the other strain.


Kerry & Edwards 2004!
http://www.democrats.org/


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/12/60minutes/main605700.shtml

http://www.msnbc.com/news/992470.asp?0si=-&cp1=1

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4078585/

"Specialsearcher" <specialsearcher@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040826070707.16633.00002479@mb-m22.aol.com... It was useless against the worst strain but not the intended stain... I
think the flu season passed rather quickly last year, in part cause people were vaccinated to the other strain.

Not quickly enough. We got the wrong bug -- I was home sick for a week.
It was not fun.

Ted

"Seeker" <tedds212removethis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2p651oFgtmstU1@uni-berlin.de... "Specialsearcher" <specialsearcher@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040826070707.16633.00002479@mb-m22.aol.com... It was useless against the worst strain but not the intended stain... I think the flu season passed rather quickly last year, in part cause people were vaccinated to the other strain. Not quickly enough. We got the wrong bug -- I was home sick for a week. It was not fun. Ted

Yes, but did your wife get the same bug? Because that would *obviously* be
a shared intimate experience. Soul melding if I ever heard it...

"Specialsearcher" <specialsearcher@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040826041240.29625.00003509@mb-m16.aol.com... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5820548/ Winter is on the way and so are the colds and flus. Last year we as a nation ran out of flu vaccines; so if your going to get
a vaccine you may want to start thinking about it soon..

I've never gotten a flu shot. I'm confident I'll live.

"Everyboysmomma" <noway@maine.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4elXc.47379$Kt5.38112@twister.nyroc.rr.com... Yes, but did your wife get the same bug? Because that would *obviously*
be a shared intimate experience. Soul melding if I ever heard it...
LOL! -- yes, she did. But for some reason I got it worse. Or, to be more
accurate, I reacted to it differently. When I get something like that I
essentially go to sleep for two or three days and just disappear except to
try to eat and drink a little. She just slows down and grumbles
(understandably) and it hangs on for longer.

Ted

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:07:22 GMT, "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com
actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote:
I've never gotten a flu shot. I'm confident I'll live.

I hope you're right, because I enjoy reading your posts. I work in a
medical facility, and we had a young, healthy, intelligent physician
in a nearby clinic die from influenza a few years ago. I had never
gotten a flu shot, despite the exposure to lots of sick people. I
started getting them a few years ago. I dunno if it helps of if I've
just been lucky.

Lauri in WA

I like my email spamless

"JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually> wrote:
"Specialsearcher" <specialsearcher@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040826041240.29625.00003509@mb-m16.aol.com... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5820548/ Winter is on the way and so are the colds and flus. Last year we as a nation ran out of flu vaccines; so if your going to get a vaccine you may want to start thinking about it soon.. I've never gotten a flu shot. I'm confident I'll live.

But have you ever had the flu? I don't mean those little bugs people
casually call the flu, but the hit-by-truck, aching-all-over, two weeks
in bed wishing you were dead flu? I had it once in college, and now I
get the flu shot every year. Never again, if I can help it.

"Emma Anne" <mbjq@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1gj4h78.7h5olu1b3dryzN%mbjq@earthlink.net... "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually> wrote: "Specialsearcher" <specialsearcher@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040826041240.29625.00003509@mb-m16.aol.com... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5820548/ Winter is on the way and so are the colds and flus. Last year we as a nation ran out of flu vaccines; so if your going to
get a vaccine you may want to start thinking about it soon.. I've never gotten a flu shot. I'm confident I'll live. But have you ever had the flu? I don't mean those little bugs people casually call the flu, but the hit-by-truck, aching-all-over, two weeks in bed wishing you were dead flu? I had it once in college, and now I get the flu shot every year. Never again, if I can help it.

Once, when I was 19. Was a week in bed.

Since then, I think I may have fought it off once or twice. I have an
incredible resistance and ability to fight off sickness.

"Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message
news:6nrri0h2cm1u428mt0h40c3jdst27nq2a1@4ax.com... On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:07:22 GMT, "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote:I've never gotten a flu shot. I'm confident I'll live. I hope you're right, because I enjoy reading your posts.


well, thank you :)


I work in a medical facility, and we had a young, healthy, intelligent physician in a nearby clinic die from influenza a few years ago. I had never gotten a flu shot, despite the exposure to lots of sick people. I started getting them a few years ago. I dunno if it helps of if I've just been lucky.

I have a lot of faith (and yea, maybe too much) in my immune system, which
(imho) is just this side of magical.

JWB wrote: "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:6nrri0h2cm1u428mt0h40c3jdst27nq2a1@4ax.com... On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:07:22 GMT, "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote:I've never gotten a flu shot. I'm confident I'll live. I hope you're right, because I enjoy reading your posts. well, thank you :) I work in a medical facility, and we had a young, healthy, intelligent physician in a nearby clinic die from influenza a few years ago. I had never gotten a flu shot, despite the exposure to lots of sick people. I started getting them a few years ago. I dunno if it helps of if I've just been lucky. I have a lot of faith (and yea, maybe too much) in my immune system, which (imho) is just this side of magical.

any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic.

--skip

Emma Anne wrote: "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually> wrote: "Specialsearcher" <specialsearcher@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040826041240.29625.00003509@mb-m16.aol.com... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5820548/ Winter is on the way and so are the colds and flus. Last year we as a nation ran out of flu vaccines; so if your going to get a vaccine you may want to start thinking about it soon.. I've never gotten a flu shot. I'm confident I'll live. But have you ever had the flu? I don't mean those little bugs people casually call the flu, but the hit-by-truck, aching-all-over, two weeks in bed wishing you were dead flu? I had it once in college, and now I get the flu shot every year. Never again, if I can help it.

the flu shot is the medical communities "best guess" as to what the
prevalent strains of virus will be in the coming flu season. They often
hit the mark pretty well. Last year was not one of them.

Wash your hands often and keep your fingers out of your eyes, and you'll
likely never get the flu... door knobs are especially effective means
of transmitting disease.

"Skip" <skip@tasam.com> wrote in message news:412E365D.4ED8A41C@tasam.com... JWB wrote: "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:6nrri0h2cm1u428mt0h40c3jdst27nq2a1@4ax.com... On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:07:22 GMT, "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote: > >I've never gotten a flu shot. I'm confident I'll live. I hope you're right, because I enjoy reading your posts. well, thank you :) I work in a medical facility, and we had a young, healthy, intelligent physician in a nearby clinic die from influenza a few years ago. I had never gotten a flu shot, despite the exposure to lots of sick people. I started getting them a few years ago. I dunno if it helps of if I've just been lucky. I have a lot of faith (and yea, maybe too much) in my immune system,
which (imho) is just this side of magical. any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic.

well, then let's just say I don't like shots / pills / or any of that stuff.
An aspirin for a headache is about all I want.

Skip <skip@tasam.com> writes:
Emma Anne wrote: "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually> wrote: "Specialsearcher" <specialsearcher@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040826041240.29625.00003509@mb-m16.aol.com... > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5820548/ > > Winter is on the way and so are the colds and flus. > Last year we as a nation ran out of flu vaccines; so if your going to get a > vaccine you may want to start thinking about it soon.. I've never gotten a flu shot. I'm confident I'll live. But have you ever had the flu? I don't mean those little bugs people casually call the flu, but the hit-by-truck, aching-all-over, two weeks in bed wishing you were dead flu? I had it once in college, and now I get the flu shot every year. Never again, if I can help it. the flu shot is the medical communities "best guess" as to what the prevalent strains of virus will be in the coming flu season. They often hit the mark pretty well. Last year was not one of them. Wash your hands often and keep your fingers out of your eyes, and you'll likely never get the flu... door knobs are especially effective means of transmitting disease.

Is it dangerous just to be in the same room as a doornob, or does one
actually have to have contact?

What level of protective clothing should we wear when removing
doorknobs from our houses? Can they simply be put in the trash, or do
they need to be disposed of as toxic waste?

And should you really be putting this information on the internet
where Al Qaeda will have access to this knowledge? (Think suitcase
doorknob bombs on the streets of New York.)


I blame this all on the collapse of social norms during the 60s. In
the 1950s no one touched a doorknob before marriage, and afterward
women always let men open the door for them.

"Doug Anderson" <ethelthelogremovethis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2p6tghFga6fmU2@uni-berlin.de... I blame this all on the collapse of social norms during the 60s. In the 1950s no one touched a doorknob before marriage, and afterward women always let men open the door for them.

That wasn't very nice Doug.
Funny, yes. But not nice.

Ted

Doug Anderson wrote: Skip <skip@tasam.com> writes: Emma Anne wrote: "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually> wrote: > "Specialsearcher" <specialsearcher@aol.com> wrote in message > news:20040826041240.29625.00003509@mb-m16.aol.com... > > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5820548/ > > > > Winter is on the way and so are the colds and flus. > > Last year we as a nation ran out of flu vaccines; so if your going to get > a > > vaccine you may want to start thinking about it soon.. > > I've never gotten a flu shot. I'm confident I'll live. But have you ever had the flu? I don't mean those little bugs people casually call the flu, but the hit-by-truck, aching-all-over, two weeks in bed wishing you were dead flu? I had it once in college, and now I get the flu shot every year. Never again, if I can help it. the flu shot is the medical communities "best guess" as to what the prevalent strains of virus will be in the coming flu season. They often hit the mark pretty well. Last year was not one of them. Wash your hands often and keep your fingers out of your eyes, and you'll likely never get the flu... door knobs are especially effective means of transmitting disease. Is it dangerous just to be in the same room as a doornob, or does one actually have to have contact? What level of protective clothing should we wear when removing doorknobs from our houses? Can they simply be put in the trash, or do they need to be disposed of as toxic waste? And should you really be putting this information on the internet where Al Qaeda will have access to this knowledge? (Think suitcase doorknob bombs on the streets of New York.) I blame this all on the collapse of social norms during the 60s. In the 1950s no one touched a doorknob before marriage, and afterward women always let men open the door for them.

Fortunately, doorknobs do not transmit their dealy cargo via air. As
for protective clothing, I recommend nitrile gloves, tyvek body suits,
and and a NIOSH 91 respirator. I don't leave the house without it. If
that is unavailable, MOPP gear can be purchased from most military
surplus stores. After a few times, getting in and out of it in the
"clean room" is a snap!
With regards to doorknob disposal, if you boil them first, or use a
50-50 mix of household bleach and water, they do not need to be treated
as toxic wate.

Remember! If you get the flu, then the terrorists have won.

--skip

"Doug Anderson" <ethelthelogremovethis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2p6tghFga6fmU2@uni-berlin.de...
I blame this all on the collapse of social norms during the 60s. In the 1950s no one touched a doorknob before marriage, and afterward women always let men open the door for them.

And Bill never once touched on this, either.

"Skip" <skip@tasam.com> wrote in message news:412E4489.94EF958C@tasam.com...
Remember! If you get the flu, then the terrorists have won. --skip

wait.... I thought it was we had to keep buying stuff and going to the mall.
Wasn't that the best way to fight terrorism? Because I've been firing
repeated salvos from the counter of my local Best Buy.

"JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> writes:
"Skip" <skip@tasam.com> wrote in message news:412E4489.94EF958C@tasam.com... Remember! If you get the flu, then the terrorists have won. --skip wait.... I thought it was we had to keep buying stuff and going to the mall. Wasn't that the best way to fight terrorism? Because I've been firing repeated salvos from the counter of my local Best Buy.

No. I thought it was "be on your guard, but don't do anything
different. And keep buying gas guzzlers! The right to waste fossil
fuel is ours as Americans."

JWB wrote: "Skip" <skip@tasam.com> wrote in message news:412E4489.94EF958C@tasam.com... Remember! If you get the flu, then the terrorists have won. --skip wait.... I thought it was we had to keep buying stuff and going to the mall. Wasn't that the best way to fight terrorism? Because I've been firing repeated salvos from the counter of my local Best Buy.

gross consumerism helps.

keep up the good work. with your kind of dedication, we'll eradicate
those that hate us^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hterrorists in no time!

"Doug Anderson" <ethelthelogremovethis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2p70uvFhf5mtU1@uni-berlin.de... "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite
dot com> writes: "Skip" <skip@tasam.com> wrote in message
news:412E4489.94EF958C@tasam.com... Remember! If you get the flu, then the terrorists have won. --skip wait.... I thought it was we had to keep buying stuff and going to the
mall. Wasn't that the best way to fight terrorism? Because I've been firing repeated salvos from the counter of my local Best Buy. No. I thought it was "be on your guard, but don't do anything different. And keep buying gas guzzlers! The right to waste fossil fuel is ours as Americans."

Part of me hopes gas goes to 5 bucks a gallon and absolutely cripples people
with gas guzzlers.

"Skip" <skip@tasam.com> wrote in message news:412E5130.491F4CB5@tasam.com... JWB wrote: "Skip" <skip@tasam.com> wrote in message
news:412E4489.94EF958C@tasam.com... Remember! If you get the flu, then the terrorists have won. --skip wait.... I thought it was we had to keep buying stuff and going to the
mall. Wasn't that the best way to fight terrorism? Because I've been firing repeated salvos from the counter of my local Best Buy. gross consumerism helps. keep up the good work. with your kind of dedication, we'll eradicate those that hate us^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hterrorists in no time!

I hope so - the DVD shelf I built is getting crowded.

"JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> writes:
"Skip" <skip@tasam.com> wrote in message news:412E5130.491F4CB5@tasam.com... JWB wrote: "Skip" <skip@tasam.com> wrote in message news:412E4489.94EF958C@tasam.com... > > Remember! If you get the flu, then the terrorists have won. > > --skip wait.... I thought it was we had to keep buying stuff and going to the mall. Wasn't that the best way to fight terrorism? Because I've been firing repeated salvos from the counter of my local Best Buy. gross consumerism helps. keep up the good work. with your kind of dedication, we'll eradicate those that hate us^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hterrorists in no time! I hope so - the DVD shelf I built is getting crowded.

Hey, it's tough, but no one said we would be able to beat terrorism
without sacrifice. Of course it isn't anything our leaders wouldn't
have done too when it was their turn to sacrifice. _Someone_ had to
keep Texas safe from the Viet Cong.

Specialsearcher wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5820548/ Winter is on the way and so are the colds and flus. Last year we as a nation ran out of flu vaccines; so if your going to get a vaccine you may want to start thinking about it soon..

I'll donate my dose to anyone who wants it.
The one and only year I had a flu shot was the one and only year I came down
with the flu. It was so bad I couldn't get out of bed for days and was weak,
achy and tired for a month after I finally got out of the bed. Never again!

Lori Mc

In article <2p6tghFga6fmU2@uni-berlin.de>,
Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Skip <skip@tasam.com> writes: Emma Anne wrote: "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually> wrote: > "Specialsearcher" <specialsearcher@aol.com> wrote in message > news:20040826041240.29625.00003509@mb-m16.aol.com... > > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5820548/ > > > > Winter is on the way and so are the colds and flus. > > Last year we as a nation ran out of flu vaccines; so if your going to > > get > a > > vaccine you may want to start thinking about it soon.. > > I've never gotten a flu shot. I'm confident I'll live. But have you ever had the flu? I don't mean those little bugs people casually call the flu, but the hit-by-truck, aching-all-over, two weeks in bed wishing you were dead flu? I had it once in college, and now I get the flu shot every year. Never again, if I can help it. the flu shot is the medical communities "best guess" as to what the prevalent strains of virus will be in the coming flu season. They often hit the mark pretty well. Last year was not one of them. Wash your hands often and keep your fingers out of your eyes, and you'll likely never get the flu... door knobs are especially effective means of transmitting disease. Is it dangerous just to be in the same room as a doornob, or does one actually have to have contact? What level of protective clothing should we wear when removing doorknobs from our houses? Can they simply be put in the trash, or do they need to be disposed of as toxic waste? And should you really be putting this information on the internet where Al Qaeda will have access to this knowledge? (Think suitcase doorknob bombs on the streets of New York.) I blame this all on the collapse of social norms during the 60s. In the 1950s no one touched a doorknob before marriage, and afterward women always let men open the door for them.

Doorknob condoms?

In article <412E4489.94EF958C@tasam.com>, Skip <skip@tasam.com> wrote:

Remember! If you get the flu, then the terrorists have won. --skip

On the other hand, we need to keep a few flu bugs around in case we are
invaded by Mars.

"JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually> wrote:
"Skip" <skip@tasam.com> wrote in message news:412E4489.94EF958C@tasam.com... Remember! If you get the flu, then the terrorists have won. --skip wait.... I thought it was we had to keep buying stuff and going to the mall. Wasn't that the best way to fight terrorism? Because I've been firing repeated salvos from the counter of my local Best Buy.

You have to buy duct tape and plastic sheeting, is how I heard it.

"JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually> wrote:
"Emma Anne" <mbjq@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:1gj4h78.7h5olu1b3dryzN%mbjq@earthlink.net... "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually> wrote: "Specialsearcher" <specialsearcher@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040826041240.29625.00003509@mb-m16.aol.com... > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5820548/ > > Winter is on the way and so are the colds and flus. > Last year we as a nation ran out of flu vaccines; so if your going to get a > vaccine you may want to start thinking about it soon.. I've never gotten a flu shot. I'm confident I'll live. But have you ever had the flu? I don't mean those little bugs people casually call the flu, but the hit-by-truck, aching-all-over, two weeks in bed wishing you were dead flu? I had it once in college, and now I get the flu shot every year. Never again, if I can help it. Once, when I was 19. Was a week in bed.

OK then, you have room to talk. :-) Most people who are so blythe
about the flu don't know what they are talking about. You are just
*naturally* blythe.
Since then, I think I may have fought it off once or twice. I have an incredible resistance and ability to fight off sickness.

I am so much better at this since I started getting enough sleep. I had
chronic insomnia for *years* and I got sick constantly.

"Emma Anne" <mbjq@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1gj67f2.qm88scvoakh7N%mbjq@earthlink.net... "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually> wrote: "Skip" <skip@tasam.com> wrote in message news:412E4489.94EF958C@tasam.com... Remember! If you get the flu, then the terrorists have won. --skip wait.... I thought it was we had to keep buying stuff and going to the mall. Wasn't that the best way to fight terrorism? Because I've been firing repeated salvos from the counter of my local Best Buy. You have to buy duct tape and plastic sheeting, is how I heard it.

And gas masks..hurry, the Army/Navy stores are almost out.
While you are at it buy all the batteries you can find and stock up on milk
and bottled water.
Yeah, that's the ticket

"Seeker" <tedds212removethis@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<2p6ucrFhe02eU1@uni-berlin.de>... "Doug Anderson" <ethelthelogremovethis@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:2p6tghFga6fmU2@uni-berlin.de... I blame this all on the collapse of social norms during the 60s. In the 1950s no one touched a doorknob before marriage, and afterward women always let men open the door for them. That wasn't very nice Doug. Funny, yes. But not nice. Ted

Talk about interpretation! I thought it was hysterical especially I
haven't found Doug to be particularly funny :-) As far as not being
nice; what wasn't nice?

"LoriMc" <LoriMc11@THE_SPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message news:<10isnvoju2bgm9e@corp.supernews.com>... Specialsearcher wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5820548/ Winter is on the way and so are the colds and flus. Last year we as a nation ran out of flu vaccines; so if your going to get a vaccine you may want to start thinking about it soon.. I'll donate my dose to anyone who wants it. The one and only year I had a flu shot was the one and only year I came down with the flu. It was so bad I couldn't get out of bed for days and was weak, achy and tired for a month after I finally got out of the bed. Never again! Lori Mc

There is also a benefit of the flu. Weight loss with out any effort. :-)

Everyboysmomma wrote: "Emma Anne" <mbjq@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:1gj67f2.qm88scvoakh7N%mbjq@earthlink.net... "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually> wrote: "Skip" <skip@tasam.com> wrote in message news:412E4489.94EF958C@tasam.com... > > Remember! If you get the flu, then the terrorists have won. > > --skip wait.... I thought it was we had to keep buying stuff and going to the mall. Wasn't that the best way to fight terrorism? Because I've been firing repeated salvos from the counter of my local Best Buy. You have to buy duct tape and plastic sheeting, is how I heard it. And gas masks..hurry, the Army/Navy stores are almost out. While you are at it buy all the batteries you can find and stock up on milk and bottled water. Yeah, that's the ticket

<monotone chant>bread, milk, toilet paper. bread, milk, toilet paper.
bread, milk, toilet paper. </mc>

Emma Anne wrote: I am so much better at this since I started getting enough sleep. I had chronic insomnia for *years* and I got sick constantly.

I am in a 'chronic stage' of insomina as well. What did you do that
changed things around for you?

Cal~

Caren wrote: "LoriMc" wrote in message Specialsearcher wrote: Winter is on the way and so are the colds and flus. Last year we as a nation ran out of flu vaccines; so if your going to get a vaccine you may want to start thinking about it soon.. I'll donate my dose to anyone who wants it. The one and only year I had a flu shot was the one and only year I came down with the flu. It was so bad I couldn't get out of bed for days and was weak, achy and tired for a month after I finally got out of the bed. Never again! Lori Mc There is also a benefit of the flu. Weight loss with out any effort. :-)

Ahhh yes well there is that. Wait a minute, you callin me fat? (jk) ;)

Lori Mc

"Emma Anne" <mbjq@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1gj67gb.valnh9169bf5dN%mbjq@earthlink.net... "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually> wrote: "Emma Anne" <mbjq@earthlink.net> wrote in message
But have you ever had the flu? I don't mean those little bugs people casually call the flu, but the hit-by-truck, aching-all-over, two
weeks in bed wishing you were dead flu? I had it once in college, and now I get the flu shot every year. Never again, if I can help it. Once, when I was 19. Was a week in bed. OK then, you have room to talk. :-) Most people who are so blythe about the flu don't know what they are talking about. You are just *naturally* blythe.


that's me! Confident to the end :)

Since then, I think I may have fought it off once or twice. I have an incredible resistance and ability to fight off sickness. I am so much better at this since I started getting enough sleep. I had chronic insomnia for *years* and I got sick constantly.

Sleep is vastly underrated.

I made several lifestyle changes in the past 6-7 years that I feel have
greatly improved my health:

- I get a decent amount of sleep almost every day. I also sometimes nap on
weekends. So does my wife.

- I quit smoking and now take vitamins every day

- Regular exercise. i walk everyday (outside or treadmill), lift weights
several times a week, and hit a heavy bag several times a week.

- I have greatly reduced stress in my life. My wife and I come first.
Everyone else, get in line. We even permanently turned the ringers off on
our phones. Dysfunctional people who have chronic issues and add nothing to
our lives are cut loose.

- In relation to the stress thing, we have taken real control of our
finances. It's really made a difference in how I feel everyday.

"Skip" <skip@tasam.com> wrote in message news:412E36FF.4D96E9FC@tasam.com... Emma Anne wrote: "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually> wrote: "Specialsearcher" <specialsearcher@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040826041240.29625.00003509@mb-m16.aol.com... > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5820548/ > > Winter is on the way and so are the colds and flus. > Last year we as a nation ran out of flu vaccines; so if your going
to get a > vaccine you may want to start thinking about it soon.. I've never gotten a flu shot. I'm confident I'll live. But have you ever had the flu? I don't mean those little bugs people casually call the flu, but the hit-by-truck, aching-all-over, two weeks in bed wishing you were dead flu? I had it once in college, and now I get the flu shot every year. Never again, if I can help it. the flu shot is the medical communities "best guess" as to what the prevalent strains of virus will be in the coming flu season. They often hit the mark pretty well. Last year was not one of them. Wash your hands often and keep your fingers out of your eyes, and you'll likely never get the flu... door knobs are especially effective means of transmitting disease.

Think about the handle of a grocery cart - somebody sneezes or puts their
hand over their mouth to cough, then puts that hand on the cart handle, then
parks the cart - and you walk up and grab the same handle. Yuck.

JWB wrote: "Skip" wrote JWB wrote: "Lauri" wrote> "JWB" wrote:>> I've never gotten a flu shot. I'm confident I'll live.>> I hope you're right, because I enjoy reading your posts. well, thank you :) I work in a> medical facility, and we had a young, healthy, intelligent> physician in a nearby clinic die from influenza a few years ago.> I had never gotten a flu shot, despite the exposure to lots of> sick people. I started getting them a few years ago. I dunno if> it helps of if I've just been lucky. I have a lot of faith (and yea, maybe too much) in my immune system, which (imho) is just this side of magical.

What is your understanding of faith in this sense? I too have
"faith in my immune system" and to me that means that
because I *believe* I won't get ill, I don't.

The only "places" where things appear to go wrong on me is
where I have put "holes" in my faith. For instance from a very
young age I seem to have had a fear of losing my eyesight --
I've had several eye operations.
any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic. well, then let's just say I don't like shots / pills / or any of that stuff. An aspirin for a headache is about all I want.

I think I liked the "faith" response a little more. But I guess this
is pretty much the same thing.

- Michaela

In article <3754f0b3.0408270803.29ff6d40@posting.google.com>, Caren
<caren50@msn.com> wrote:
As far as not being nice; what wasn't nice?

Poking fun at one of the regular posters here...

Ted

x-no-archive: yes

Ted wrote:
In article <3754f0b3.0408270803.29ff6d40@posting.google.com>, Caren<caren50@msn.com> wrote: As far as not being nice; what wasn't nice?Poking fun at one of the regular posters here...

So it's okay to poke fun at the occasional posters???? ;)

beeswing

"beeswing" <beeswing@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040828194845.19394.00004437@mb-m04.aol.com... So it's okay to poke fun at the occasional posters???? ;)

Only if they truly deserve it.

Ted

_calinda_ <calindasinclair@hotmail.com> wrote:
Emma Anne wrote: I am so much better at this since I started getting enough sleep. I had chronic insomnia for *years* and I got sick constantly. I am in a 'chronic stage' of insomina as well. What did you do that changed things around for you?

I lucked out. When I started taking Prozac for my depression, it cured
my insomnia, and it has stayed cured. This is apparently unusual - most
people with depression and insomnia get better with treatment, but few
are cured like I was.

When I was in the throes, melatonin worked pretty well for me.

"JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually> wrote:
I made several lifestyle changes in the past 6-7 years that I feel have greatly improved my health: - I get a decent amount of sleep almost every day. I also sometimes nap on weekends. So does my wife. - I quit smoking and now take vitamins every day - Regular exercise. i walk everyday (outside or treadmill), lift weights several times a week, and hit a heavy bag several times a week. - I have greatly reduced stress in my life. My wife and I come first. Everyone else, get in line. We even permanently turned the ringers off on our phones. Dysfunctional people who have chronic issues and add nothing to our lives are cut loose. - In relation to the stress thing, we have taken real control of our finances. It's really made a difference in how I feel everyday.

What a great list. Stressed out people take notes.

"JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:<m1qXc.2264$as.116151@twister.nyc.rr.com>... "Emma Anne" <mbjq@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:1gj4h78.7h5olu1b3dryzN%mbjq@earthlink.net... "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually> wrote: "Specialsearcher" <specialsearcher@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040826041240.29625.00003509@mb-m16.aol.com... > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5820548/ > > Winter is on the way and so are the colds and flus. > Last year we as a nation ran out of flu vaccines; so if your going to get a > vaccine you may want to start thinking about it soon.. I've never gotten a flu shot. I'm confident I'll live. But have you ever had the flu? I don't mean those little bugs people casually call the flu, but the hit-by-truck, aching-all-over, two weeks in bed wishing you were dead flu? I had it once in college, and now I get the flu shot every year. Never again, if I can help it. Once, when I was 19. Was a week in bed. Since then, I think I may have fought it off once or twice. I have an incredible resistance and ability to fight off sickness.

I have a pretty solid immune system myself, and have never had a flu
shot. I don't think I've ever had the hit-by-truck type of flu (I'm
more likely to succumb to food poisoning that is over in a day or so).

With that said, I have to admit I'm a little spooked by the idea of
some deadly flu strain hitting us and wiping out a large proportion of
the population. We are awfully overdue for something like that.

jen

"JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:<LrRXc.25881$Ot3.22603@twister.nyc.rr.com>... "Emma Anne" <mbjq@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:1gj67gb.valnh9169bf5dN%mbjq@earthlink.net... "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually> wrote: "Emma Anne" <mbjq@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > But have you ever had the flu? I don't mean those little bugs people > casually call the flu, but the hit-by-truck, aching-all-over, two weeks > in bed wishing you were dead flu? I had it once in college, and now I > get the flu shot every year. Never again, if I can help it. Once, when I was 19. Was a week in bed. OK then, you have room to talk. :-) Most people who are so blythe about the flu don't know what they are talking about. You are just *naturally* blythe. that's me! Confident to the end :) Since then, I think I may have fought it off once or twice. I have an incredible resistance and ability to fight off sickness. I am so much better at this since I started getting enough sleep. I had chronic insomnia for *years* and I got sick constantly. Sleep is vastly underrated. I made several lifestyle changes in the past 6-7 years that I feel have greatly improved my health: - I get a decent amount of sleep almost every day. I also sometimes nap on weekends. So does my wife. - I quit smoking and now take vitamins every day - Regular exercise. i walk everyday (outside or treadmill), lift weights several times a week, and hit a heavy bag several times a week. - I have greatly reduced stress in my life. My wife and I come first. Everyone else, get in line. We even permanently turned the ringers off on our phones. Dysfunctional people who have chronic issues and add nothing to our lives are cut loose. - In relation to the stress thing, we have taken real control of our finances. It's really made a difference in how I feel everyday.


Excellent!

Incidentally, you are nearly the same height/weight as my brother, who
is equally quite active. He has a bit of love handles but mostly he
carries his weight in his thighs, which are huge and muscular from
years of skiing and skateboarding.

jen

"shinypenny" <shinypenny0001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c8cb5319.0408300911.5321a9c1@posting.google.c om... "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:<m1qXc.2264$as.116151@twister.nyc.rr.com>... "Emma Anne" <mbjq@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:1gj4h78.7h5olu1b3dryzN%mbjq@earthlink.net... "JWB" <bigtommbtyjb543@servo.com actually> wrote: > "Specialsearcher" <specialsearcher@aol.com> wrote in message > news:20040826041240.29625.00003509@mb-m16.aol.com... > > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5820548/ > > > > Winter is on the way and so are the colds and flus. > > Last year we as a nation ran out of flu vaccines; so if your going > > to get a > > vaccine you may want to start thinking about it soon.. > > I've never gotten a flu shot. I'm confident I'll live. But have you ever had the flu? I don't mean those little bugs people casually call the flu, but the hit-by-truck, aching-all-over, two weeks in bed wishing you were dead flu? I had it once in college, and now I get the flu shot every year. Never again, if I can help it. Once, when I was 19. Was a week in bed. Since then, I think I may have fought it off once or twice. I have an incredible resistance and ability to fight off sickness. I have a pretty solid immune system myself, and have never had a flu shot. I don't think I've ever had the hit-by-truck type of flu (I'm more likely to succumb to food poisoning that is over in a day or so). With that said, I have to admit I'm a little spooked by the idea of some deadly flu strain hitting us and wiping out a large proportion of the population. We are awfully overdue for something like that.

Like in "the Stand"?

Aside from the death of loved ones, that would be kinda cool if one survived
(I would)

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:02:57 -0000, bobg@radix.net (Robert Grumbine)
wrote:
Likely the alcohol. (Not that stress doesn't mess with sleep.)Caffeine also can mess up your sleep.

Yes, I should have mentioned caffeine as well. I also have to quit
drinking it by early afternoon, else I can't sleep. On the rare
occasion that I have a glass of iced tea with supper (usually at my
folks' house), I don't sleep until 1 am, or later.

So Cal....try cutting down or eliminating caffeine and alcohol. I was
suprised at how much it helped.

Lauri in WA

I like my email spamless

Lauri wrote: So Cal....try cutting down or eliminating caffeine and alcohol. I was suprised at how much it helped.

Alcohol has already been cut to zero, and for some time now due to
medications.

Caffeine is another story. I haven't been as successful at cutting back
on caffeine.

Cal~

In article <2pk788Fl4i4vU1@uni-berlin.de>,
_calinda_ <calindasinclair@hotmail.com> wrote:Lauri wrote: So Cal....try cutting down or eliminating caffeine and alcohol. I was suprised at how much it helped.Alcohol has already been cut to zero, and for some time now due tomedications.Caffeine is another story. I haven't been as successful at cutting backon caffeine.

You might try working on the timing first -- start with a personal
'no caffeine after 5 PM' rule, and see how things go. Quantity is
still open, and the window in which you don't drink any gives you some
time to figure out what non-caffeinated beverages you get along with.

--
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Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences