Consider this purely hypothetical situation.

After birth of a baby, wife wanted to work against insistence of a
husband. Finally she found work. Now after 3 years, wife does not want
to work.

The husband is dead set against her stopping working, for a variety of
reasons.

What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work.

This is an "important" issue, although hypothetical.

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"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."

Ignoramus8917 wrote:
What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work.

Show her my post from yesterday about this issue. Should at least
cause her to think about the consequences a little bit.

Cal~

Ignoramus8917 wrote:
What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work.

Show her my post from yesterday about this issue. Should at least
cause her to think about the consequences a little bit.

Cal~

Ignoramus8917 <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> writes:
Consider this purely hypothetical situation. After birth of a baby, wife wanted to work against insistence of a husband. Finally she found work. Now after 3 years, wife does not want to work. The husband is dead set against her stopping working, for a variety of reasons. What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work.

I think this is the wrong question.

If what the husband wants is "for the wife to work" then it is none of
his business. What if she has enough wealth of her own already so
that working is unnecessary for her?


The right question to ask is "what does the husband really want" and
"what does the wife really want" and can they figure out a way to both
get it rather than centering their conflict around the subsidiary
issue of "should the wife be working."

Ignoramus8917 <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> writes:
Consider this purely hypothetical situation. After birth of a baby, wife wanted to work against insistence of a husband. Finally she found work. Now after 3 years, wife does not want to work. The husband is dead set against her stopping working, for a variety of reasons. What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work.

I think this is the wrong question.

If what the husband wants is "for the wife to work" then it is none of
his business. What if she has enough wealth of her own already so
that working is unnecessary for her?


The right question to ask is "what does the husband really want" and
"what does the wife really want" and can they figure out a way to both
get it rather than centering their conflict around the subsidiary
issue of "should the wife be working."

"_calinda_" <calindasinclair@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c6rj24$fira6$1@ID-178943.news.uni-berlin.de>... Ignoramus8917 wrote: What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work. Show her my post from yesterday about this issue. Should at least cause her to think about the consequences a little bit. Cal~

Igor, are you tring to make her not work? Do you need the money? Did
you take that new job that was going to be so much money?

"_calinda_" <calindasinclair@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c6rj24$fira6$1@ID-178943.news.uni-berlin.de>... Ignoramus8917 wrote: What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work. Show her my post from yesterday about this issue. Should at least cause her to think about the consequences a little bit. Cal~

Igor, are you tring to make her not work? Do you need the money? Did
you take that new job that was going to be so much money?

"Ignoramus8917" <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> wrote in message
news:c6rhfc$bat$0@pita.alt.net Consider this purely hypothetical situation. After birth of a baby, wife wanted to work against insistence of a husband. Finally she found work. Now after 3 years, wife does not want to work.

Why?

Oh wait, this is an hypothetical question!

Hmmmm... I think "why" is still important. Whether it is the wife or husband
if one spouse is really hating their job then they both need to look at why.
Perhaps it's not the working that's the problem but the type of work, or the
environment.

The husband is dead set against her stopping working, for a variety of reasons. What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work.

The husband should present his case of all his reasons. The wife should do
the same. If there are financial reasons for the wife having to work they
would trump hers for not working but some compromises could still be
reached. Would she be happier at a different workplace in the same industry?
A different area within the same industry? Perhaps she could change her
career and even go back to school to do this. Maybe all that would be needed
is a few month's vacation and then starting a new job.

Do they plan to have any more children and, if so, would this be a good time
'schedule' (ha!) a pregnancy?

Would the husband mind if the wife dropped her hours but still remained
employable (if that was one of his concerns)? If another of his concerns is
that he would love to give up work too then perhaps they could both go to
part time hours and each spend a greater amount of time at home and caring
for their child.

There are many possibilities but a method is going to be effective only if
both spouses are happy with it.

Tai

"Ignoramus8917" <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> wrote in message
news:c6rhfc$bat$0@pita.alt.net Consider this purely hypothetical situation. After birth of a baby, wife wanted to work against insistence of a husband. Finally she found work. Now after 3 years, wife does not want to work.

Why?

Oh wait, this is an hypothetical question!

Hmmmm... I think "why" is still important. Whether it is the wife or husband
if one spouse is really hating their job then they both need to look at why.
Perhaps it's not the working that's the problem but the type of work, or the
environment.

The husband is dead set against her stopping working, for a variety of reasons. What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work.

The husband should present his case of all his reasons. The wife should do
the same. If there are financial reasons for the wife having to work they
would trump hers for not working but some compromises could still be
reached. Would she be happier at a different workplace in the same industry?
A different area within the same industry? Perhaps she could change her
career and even go back to school to do this. Maybe all that would be needed
is a few month's vacation and then starting a new job.

Do they plan to have any more children and, if so, would this be a good time
'schedule' (ha!) a pregnancy?

Would the husband mind if the wife dropped her hours but still remained
employable (if that was one of his concerns)? If another of his concerns is
that he would love to give up work too then perhaps they could both go to
part time hours and each spend a greater amount of time at home and caring
for their child.

There are many possibilities but a method is going to be effective only if
both spouses are happy with it.

Tai

"Ignoramus8917" <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> wrote in message
news:c6rhfc$bat$0@pita.alt.net... Consider this purely hypothetical situation. After birth of a baby, wife wanted to work against insistence of a husband. Finally she found work. Now after 3 years, wife does not want to work. The husband is dead set against her stopping working, for a variety of reasons. What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work. This is an "important" issue, although hypothetical.

IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of dawn,
drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other peoples
problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend god-knows-how-many
hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think she is just
showing good sense.

One thing that you need to consider is why you are so adamantly opposed to
it. If it is a money issue then that is an area that needs to be worked on.
If it is an issue of "what will everybody else say" or "women in my familiy
have always worked" or something like than, then you need to look to see if
your own needs aren't being projected on your wife's employment.

In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work" outside
the home. It's only normal and natural that she doesn't want to. Just think
how much nicer your home will be if you have a wife who spends time doing
what a wife is supposed to do.

Em

"Ignoramus8917" <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> wrote in message
news:c6rhfc$bat$0@pita.alt.net... Consider this purely hypothetical situation. After birth of a baby, wife wanted to work against insistence of a husband. Finally she found work. Now after 3 years, wife does not want to work. The husband is dead set against her stopping working, for a variety of reasons. What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work. This is an "important" issue, although hypothetical.

IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of dawn,
drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other peoples
problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend god-knows-how-many
hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think she is just
showing good sense.

One thing that you need to consider is why you are so adamantly opposed to
it. If it is a money issue then that is an area that needs to be worked on.
If it is an issue of "what will everybody else say" or "women in my familiy
have always worked" or something like than, then you need to look to see if
your own needs aren't being projected on your wife's employment.

In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work" outside
the home. It's only normal and natural that she doesn't want to. Just think
how much nicer your home will be if you have a wife who spends time doing
what a wife is supposed to do.

Em

"Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> writes:
"Ignoramus8917" <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> wrote in message news:c6rhfc$bat$0@pita.alt.net... Consider this purely hypothetical situation. After birth of a baby, wife wanted to work against insistence of a husband. Finally she found work. Now after 3 years, wife does not want to work. The husband is dead set against her stopping working, for a variety of reasons. What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work. This is an "important" issue, although hypothetical. IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of dawn, drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other peoples problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend god-knows-how-many hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think she is just showing good sense.

Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work? Maybe she
should just change jobs.
One thing that you need to consider is why you are so adamantly opposed to it. If it is a money issue then that is an area that needs to be worked on. If it is an issue of "what will everybody else say" or "women in my familiy have always worked" or something like than, then you need to look to see if your own needs aren't being projected on your wife's employment. In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work" outside the home.

Whose grand scheme is that? In that scheme were men "intended" to
work outside the home, but women "intended" to stay home?

Someone forgot to fill some of us in on the scheme.

"Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> writes:
"Ignoramus8917" <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> wrote in message news:c6rhfc$bat$0@pita.alt.net... Consider this purely hypothetical situation. After birth of a baby, wife wanted to work against insistence of a husband. Finally she found work. Now after 3 years, wife does not want to work. The husband is dead set against her stopping working, for a variety of reasons. What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work. This is an "important" issue, although hypothetical. IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of dawn, drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other peoples problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend god-knows-how-many hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think she is just showing good sense.

Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work? Maybe she
should just change jobs.
One thing that you need to consider is why you are so adamantly opposed to it. If it is a money issue then that is an area that needs to be worked on. If it is an issue of "what will everybody else say" or "women in my familiy have always worked" or something like than, then you need to look to see if your own needs aren't being projected on your wife's employment. In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work" outside the home.

Whose grand scheme is that? In that scheme were men "intended" to
work outside the home, but women "intended" to stay home?

Someone forgot to fill some of us in on the scheme.

"Ignoramus8917" <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> wrote in message
news:c6rhfc$bat$0@pita.alt.net... Consider this purely hypothetical situation. After birth of a baby, wife wanted to work against insistence of a husband. Finally she found work. Now after 3 years, wife does not want to work. The husband is dead set against her stopping working, for a variety of reasons. What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work. This is an "important" issue, although hypothetical.

I don't understand why this "wife working or not" is even an issue. If the
family needs the money, then the adults need to work. If the family doesn't
need the money, then perhaps one of them can stay home. That can be
negotiated between the spouses on whose job makes more / best for the family
/ etc. This gender stuff is silly. Spouses should work as a team to make
life easier for the entire family.

"Ignoramus8917" <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> wrote in message
news:c6rhfc$bat$0@pita.alt.net... Consider this purely hypothetical situation. After birth of a baby, wife wanted to work against insistence of a husband. Finally she found work. Now after 3 years, wife does not want to work. The husband is dead set against her stopping working, for a variety of reasons. What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work. This is an "important" issue, although hypothetical.

I don't understand why this "wife working or not" is even an issue. If the
family needs the money, then the adults need to work. If the family doesn't
need the money, then perhaps one of them can stay home. That can be
negotiated between the spouses on whose job makes more / best for the family
/ etc. This gender stuff is silly. Spouses should work as a team to make
life easier for the entire family.

In article <3754f0b3.0404291532.32e6cfe5@posting.google.com>, Caren wrote: "_calinda_" <calindasinclair@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c6rj24$fira6$1@ID-178943.news.uni-berlin.de>... Ignoramus8917 wrote: What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work. Show her my post from yesterday about this issue. Should at least cause her to think about the consequences a little bit. Cal~ Igor, are you tring to make her not work? Do you need the money? Did you take that new job that was going to be so much money?

remember, this was a hypothetical question Carten. No, I did not take
that high paying job.

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"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."

In article <3754f0b3.0404291532.32e6cfe5@posting.google.com>, Caren wrote: "_calinda_" <calindasinclair@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c6rj24$fira6$1@ID-178943.news.uni-berlin.de>... Ignoramus8917 wrote: What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work. Show her my post from yesterday about this issue. Should at least cause her to think about the consequences a little bit. Cal~ Igor, are you tring to make her not work? Do you need the money? Did you take that new job that was going to be so much money?

remember, this was a hypothetical question Carten. No, I did not take
that high paying job.

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char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}
"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."

As I said, the question was hypothetical, but I thank you and all
others for their thoughtful responses.

i

In article <c6s47c$fbla4$1@ID-123442.news.uni-berlin.de>, Tai wrote: "Ignoramus8917" <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> wrote in message news:c6rhfc$bat$0@pita.alt.net Consider this purely hypothetical situation. After birth of a baby, wife wanted to work against insistence of a husband. Finally she found work. Now after 3 years, wife does not want to work. Why? Oh wait, this is an hypothetical question! Hmmmm... I think "why" is still important. Whether it is the wife or husband if one spouse is really hating their job then they both need to look at why. Perhaps it's not the working that's the problem but the type of work, or the environment. The husband is dead set against her stopping working, for a variety of reasons. What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work. The husband should present his case of all his reasons. The wife should do the same. If there are financial reasons for the wife having to work they would trump hers for not working but some compromises could still be reached. Would she be happier at a different workplace in the same industry? A different area within the same industry? Perhaps she could change her career and even go back to school to do this. Maybe all that would be needed is a few month's vacation and then starting a new job. Do they plan to have any more children and, if so, would this be a good time 'schedule' (ha!) a pregnancy? Would the husband mind if the wife dropped her hours but still remained employable (if that was one of his concerns)? If another of his concerns is that he would love to give up work too then perhaps they could both go to part time hours and each spend a greater amount of time at home and caring for their child. There are many possibilities but a method is going to be effective only if both spouses are happy with it. Tai


--
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@ @ @ Please forgive my typos as my right hand is injured. @ @ @
char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}
"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."

As I said, the question was hypothetical, but I thank you and all
others for their thoughtful responses.

i

In article <c6s47c$fbla4$1@ID-123442.news.uni-berlin.de>, Tai wrote: "Ignoramus8917" <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> wrote in message news:c6rhfc$bat$0@pita.alt.net Consider this purely hypothetical situation. After birth of a baby, wife wanted to work against insistence of a husband. Finally she found work. Now after 3 years, wife does not want to work. Why? Oh wait, this is an hypothetical question! Hmmmm... I think "why" is still important. Whether it is the wife or husband if one spouse is really hating their job then they both need to look at why. Perhaps it's not the working that's the problem but the type of work, or the environment. The husband is dead set against her stopping working, for a variety of reasons. What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work. The husband should present his case of all his reasons. The wife should do the same. If there are financial reasons for the wife having to work they would trump hers for not working but some compromises could still be reached. Would she be happier at a different workplace in the same industry? A different area within the same industry? Perhaps she could change her career and even go back to school to do this. Maybe all that would be needed is a few month's vacation and then starting a new job. Do they plan to have any more children and, if so, would this be a good time 'schedule' (ha!) a pregnancy? Would the husband mind if the wife dropped her hours but still remained employable (if that was one of his concerns)? If another of his concerns is that he would love to give up work too then perhaps they could both go to part time hours and each spend a greater amount of time at home and caring for their child. There are many possibilities but a method is going to be effective only if both spouses are happy with it. Tai


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@ @ @ Please forgive my typos as my right hand is injured. @ @ @
char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}
"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."

"Ignoramus8917" <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> wrote in message
news:c6sge0$ao4$2@pita.alt.net As I said, the question was hypothetical, but I thank you and all others for their thoughtful responses.
Of course it was..... ;)

And you're very welcome.

Tai

"Ignoramus8917" <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> wrote in message
news:c6sge0$ao4$2@pita.alt.net As I said, the question was hypothetical, but I thank you and all others for their thoughtful responses.
Of course it was..... ;)

And you're very welcome.

Tai

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:07:14 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie
Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:

In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work" outsidethe home. It's only normal and natural that she doesn't want to. Just thinkhow much nicer your home will be if you have a wife who spends time doingwhat a wife is supposed to do.

Good lord. Staying at home and being a housewife is just about the
most boring thing I've ever done. I've been working full-time for
many years now, and I find myself getting antsy and bored after about
a week of sitting around the house and wiping down the countertops.
Last year on vacation, I found myself wishing I had a math book or
something by mid-week, because my brain felt so lazy.

Lauri in WA

I like my email spamless

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:07:14 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie
Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:

In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work" outsidethe home. It's only normal and natural that she doesn't want to. Just thinkhow much nicer your home will be if you have a wife who spends time doingwhat a wife is supposed to do.

Good lord. Staying at home and being a housewife is just about the
most boring thing I've ever done. I've been working full-time for
many years now, and I find myself getting antsy and bored after about
a week of sitting around the house and wiping down the countertops.
Last year on vacation, I found myself wishing I had a math book or
something by mid-week, because my brain felt so lazy.

Lauri in WA

I like my email spamless

"Tai" <tainuiti@yahoo.com> writes:
"Ignoramus8917" <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> wrote in message news:c6sge0$ao4$2@pita.alt.net As I said, the question was hypothetical, but I thank you and all others for their thoughtful responses. Of course it was..... ;)

OK; now there is an example of good smiley use!

"Tai" <tainuiti@yahoo.com> writes:
"Ignoramus8917" <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> wrote in message news:c6sge0$ao4$2@pita.alt.net As I said, the question was hypothetical, but I thank you and all others for their thoughtful responses. Of course it was..... ;)

OK; now there is an example of good smiley use!

"Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message
news:8pi3901i4o3oc84q7undk4apbcdqma46ko@4ax.com... On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:07:14 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work"
outsidethe home. It's only normal and natural that she doesn't want to. Just
thinkhow much nicer your home will be if you have a wife who spends time doingwhat a wife is supposed to do. Good lord. Staying at home and being a housewife is just about the most boring thing I've ever done.

Oh, wow, I think it's fabulous! I read a bunch of newspapers front to back,
I read lots of books, I visit with friends, I make delicious meals, I
organize the household, I listen to music, I run errands, and sometimes I
just sleep <g>. Seriously, though, I can never understand being bored. How
can anyone ever get bored when the world is full of so many glorious things
to read, hear, see and experience?

Jennifer

"Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message
news:8pi3901i4o3oc84q7undk4apbcdqma46ko@4ax.com... On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:07:14 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work"
outsidethe home. It's only normal and natural that she doesn't want to. Just
thinkhow much nicer your home will be if you have a wife who spends time doingwhat a wife is supposed to do. Good lord. Staying at home and being a housewife is just about the most boring thing I've ever done.

Oh, wow, I think it's fabulous! I read a bunch of newspapers front to back,
I read lots of books, I visit with friends, I make delicious meals, I
organize the household, I listen to music, I run errands, and sometimes I
just sleep <g>. Seriously, though, I can never understand being bored. How
can anyone ever get bored when the world is full of so many glorious things
to read, hear, see and experience?

Jennifer

In article <c6shkc$fmej1$1@ID-123442.news.uni-berlin.de>, Tai wrote: "Ignoramus8917" <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> wrote in message news:c6sge0$ao4$2@pita.alt.net As I said, the question was hypothetical, but I thank you and all others for their thoughtful responses. Of course it was..... ;)

Seriously, it was a hypothetical, but not contrived, question.
And you're very welcome.

Thank you again.

i
Tai


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"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."

In article <c6shkc$fmej1$1@ID-123442.news.uni-berlin.de>, Tai wrote: "Ignoramus8917" <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> wrote in message news:c6sge0$ao4$2@pita.alt.net As I said, the question was hypothetical, but I thank you and all others for their thoughtful responses. Of course it was..... ;)

Seriously, it was a hypothetical, but not contrived, question.
And you're very welcome.

Thank you again.

i
Tai


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char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}
"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:55:54 -0400, "Jennifer" <JenPam2003@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Oh, wow, I think it's fabulous! I read a bunch of newspapers front to back,I read lots of books, I visit with friends, I make delicious meals, Iorganize the household, I listen to music, I run errands, and sometimes Ijust sleep <g>. Seriously, though, I can never understand being bored. Howcan anyone ever get bored when the world is full of so many glorious thingsto read, hear, see and experience?

Because those interesting things are out in the world, not in the
laundry room or the kitchen. :) At least that's how I see it.

Lauri in WA

I like my email spamless

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:55:54 -0400, "Jennifer" <JenPam2003@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Oh, wow, I think it's fabulous! I read a bunch of newspapers front to back,I read lots of books, I visit with friends, I make delicious meals, Iorganize the household, I listen to music, I run errands, and sometimes Ijust sleep <g>. Seriously, though, I can never understand being bored. Howcan anyone ever get bored when the world is full of so many glorious thingsto read, hear, see and experience?

Because those interesting things are out in the world, not in the
laundry room or the kitchen. :) At least that's how I see it.

Lauri in WA

I like my email spamless

"Jennifer" <JenPam2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Vo2dne5amseFvw_dRVn-sw@comcast.com...
Seriously, though, I can never understand being bored.

I have to agree - at the absolute worst, I can pop my Star Wars bootlegs
into the DVD player. I have no business *ever* saying "I'm bored".

"Jennifer" <JenPam2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Vo2dne5amseFvw_dRVn-sw@comcast.com...
Seriously, though, I can never understand being bored.

I have to agree - at the absolute worst, I can pop my Star Wars bootlegs
into the DVD player. I have no business *ever* saying "I'm bored".

Lauri <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:<8pi3901i4o3oc84q7undk4apbcdqma46ko@4ax.com>... On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:07:14 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work" outsidethe home. It's only normal and natural that she doesn't want to. Just thinkhow much nicer your home will be if you have a wife who spends time doingwhat a wife is supposed to do. Good lord. Staying at home and being a housewife is just about the most boring thing I've ever done. I've been working full-time for many years now, and I find myself getting antsy and bored after about a week of sitting around the house and wiping down the countertops. Last year on vacation, I found myself wishing I had a math book or something by mid-week, because my brain felt so lazy. Lauri in WA

I agree completely. I think all humans - men and women - are designed
to be happiest when they're busy. We need a mix of social, mental and
physical stimulation. Modern-day housekeeping doesn't fit that bill
for me. It doesn't take much effort to keep a house clean and cook,
what with modern-day appliances like microwave ovens and vacuum
cleaners. And, with so many people working these days, it can be a
challenge to find social stimulation if you are a SAH.

With that said, I think it is highly personal. I know lots of SAHP's
who manage to keep themselves quite busy, but usually it's with
hobbies/activities like sewing, crafting, gardening, sports, etc that
never held much interest to me.

My folks are retired and they never cease to amaze me. They are
constantly in motion with their various activities and hobbies, and
are never bored.

jen

Lauri <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:<8pi3901i4o3oc84q7undk4apbcdqma46ko@4ax.com>... On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:07:14 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work" outsidethe home. It's only normal and natural that she doesn't want to. Just thinkhow much nicer your home will be if you have a wife who spends time doingwhat a wife is supposed to do. Good lord. Staying at home and being a housewife is just about the most boring thing I've ever done. I've been working full-time for many years now, and I find myself getting antsy and bored after about a week of sitting around the house and wiping down the countertops. Last year on vacation, I found myself wishing I had a math book or something by mid-week, because my brain felt so lazy. Lauri in WA

I agree completely. I think all humans - men and women - are designed
to be happiest when they're busy. We need a mix of social, mental and
physical stimulation. Modern-day housekeeping doesn't fit that bill
for me. It doesn't take much effort to keep a house clean and cook,
what with modern-day appliances like microwave ovens and vacuum
cleaners. And, with so many people working these days, it can be a
challenge to find social stimulation if you are a SAH.

With that said, I think it is highly personal. I know lots of SAHP's
who manage to keep themselves quite busy, but usually it's with
hobbies/activities like sewing, crafting, gardening, sports, etc that
never held much interest to me.

My folks are retired and they never cease to amaze me. They are
constantly in motion with their various activities and hobbies, and
are never bored.

jen

"Jennifer" <JenPam2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<Vo2dne5amseFvw_dRVn-sw@comcast.com>... "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:8pi3901i4o3oc84q7undk4apbcdqma46ko@4ax.com... On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:07:14 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work" outsidethe home. It's only normal and natural that she doesn't want to. Just thinkhow much nicer your home will be if you have a wife who spends time doingwhat a wife is supposed to do. Good lord. Staying at home and being a housewife is just about the most boring thing I've ever done. Oh, wow, I think it's fabulous! I read a bunch of newspapers front to back, I read lots of books, I visit with friends, I make delicious meals, I organize the household, I listen to music, I run errands, and sometimes I just sleep <g>. Seriously, though, I can never understand being bored. How can anyone ever get bored when the world is full of so many glorious things to read, hear, see and experience?


See, what did I tell ya, Lauri? <grin>

I have a Japanese friend who arrived here several years ago and ended
up depressed and restless and homesick after a few months. In Japan,
none of the wives work and there is a whole social network of other
mom's to hang out with during the day. They get together and cook, go
shopping, get their hair and nails done, exercise, etc. The way she
described it, Japanese women think American wives are absolutely crazy
to want to work! It's much more fun to be at home. In fact, the kids
are in school until 6 pm each day, and in the vacation months they
send them off to camp if they're not traveling. Husbands work very
long hours and will often stop off somewhere on the way home to have
dinner and get entertained by a Geisha. The wives encourage this
practice because they say they are too tired to want to listen
endlessly to their husbands kvetch about their day!

But after a few months in America, she was despondant because there
were very few wives at home that she could connect with. It took her
awhile to gain her footing, and by the time she moved back home after
5 years, she had built up her own network of SAHM's and would
routinely have them over or go shopping, etc.

jen

"Jennifer" <JenPam2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<Vo2dne5amseFvw_dRVn-sw@comcast.com>... "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:8pi3901i4o3oc84q7undk4apbcdqma46ko@4ax.com... On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:07:14 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work" outsidethe home. It's only normal and natural that she doesn't want to. Just thinkhow much nicer your home will be if you have a wife who spends time doingwhat a wife is supposed to do. Good lord. Staying at home and being a housewife is just about the most boring thing I've ever done. Oh, wow, I think it's fabulous! I read a bunch of newspapers front to back, I read lots of books, I visit with friends, I make delicious meals, I organize the household, I listen to music, I run errands, and sometimes I just sleep <g>. Seriously, though, I can never understand being bored. How can anyone ever get bored when the world is full of so many glorious things to read, hear, see and experience?


See, what did I tell ya, Lauri? <grin>

I have a Japanese friend who arrived here several years ago and ended
up depressed and restless and homesick after a few months. In Japan,
none of the wives work and there is a whole social network of other
mom's to hang out with during the day. They get together and cook, go
shopping, get their hair and nails done, exercise, etc. The way she
described it, Japanese women think American wives are absolutely crazy
to want to work! It's much more fun to be at home. In fact, the kids
are in school until 6 pm each day, and in the vacation months they
send them off to camp if they're not traveling. Husbands work very
long hours and will often stop off somewhere on the way home to have
dinner and get entertained by a Geisha. The wives encourage this
practice because they say they are too tired to want to listen
endlessly to their husbands kvetch about their day!

But after a few months in America, she was despondant because there
were very few wives at home that she could connect with. It took her
awhile to gain her footing, and by the time she moved back home after
5 years, she had built up her own network of SAHM's and would
routinely have them over or go shopping, etc.

jen

I recently stayed home with my son for one whole day. It was, first,
not very difficult. Second, it was enjoyable, but I could see how it
can quickly get stale.

i

I recently stayed home with my son for one whole day. It was, first,
not very difficult. Second, it was enjoyable, but I could see how it
can quickly get stale.

i

I can't think of anything more horrible than socializing with a bunch of
other women! Getting my hair and nails done and talking about "girl stuff"?
Yuck. The only women I like are my relatives!

Now if there were a bunch of SAHDs around....LOL. Men are much more
interesting to me. To each his own I guess!



"shinypenny" <shinypenny0001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c8cb5319.0404300632.63354e5d@posting.google.c om... "Jennifer" <JenPam2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<Vo2dne5amseFvw_dRVn-sw@comcast.com>... "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:8pi3901i4o3oc84q7undk4apbcdqma46ko@4ax.com... On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:07:14 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote: >In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work" outside >the home. It's only normal and natural that she doesn't want to.
Just think >how much nicer your home will be if you have a wife who spends time
doing >what a wife is supposed to do. Good lord. Staying at home and being a housewife is just about the most boring thing I've ever done. Oh, wow, I think it's fabulous! I read a bunch of newspapers front to
back, I read lots of books, I visit with friends, I make delicious meals, I organize the household, I listen to music, I run errands, and sometimes
I just sleep <g>. Seriously, though, I can never understand being bored.
How can anyone ever get bored when the world is full of so many glorious
things to read, hear, see and experience? See, what did I tell ya, Lauri? <grin> I have a Japanese friend who arrived here several years ago and ended up depressed and restless and homesick after a few months. In Japan, none of the wives work and there is a whole social network of other mom's to hang out with during the day. They get together and cook, go shopping, get their hair and nails done, exercise, etc. The way she described it, Japanese women think American wives are absolutely crazy to want to work! It's much more fun to be at home. In fact, the kids are in school until 6 pm each day, and in the vacation months they send them off to camp if they're not traveling. Husbands work very long hours and will often stop off somewhere on the way home to have dinner and get entertained by a Geisha. The wives encourage this practice because they say they are too tired to want to listen endlessly to their husbands kvetch about their day! But after a few months in America, she was despondant because there were very few wives at home that she could connect with. It took her awhile to gain her footing, and by the time she moved back home after 5 years, she had built up her own network of SAHM's and would routinely have them over or go shopping, etc. jen

I can't think of anything more horrible than socializing with a bunch of
other women! Getting my hair and nails done and talking about "girl stuff"?
Yuck. The only women I like are my relatives!

Now if there were a bunch of SAHDs around....LOL. Men are much more
interesting to me. To each his own I guess!



"shinypenny" <shinypenny0001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c8cb5319.0404300632.63354e5d@posting.google.c om... "Jennifer" <JenPam2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<Vo2dne5amseFvw_dRVn-sw@comcast.com>... "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:8pi3901i4o3oc84q7undk4apbcdqma46ko@4ax.com... On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:07:14 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote: >In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work" outside >the home. It's only normal and natural that she doesn't want to.
Just think >how much nicer your home will be if you have a wife who spends time
doing >what a wife is supposed to do. Good lord. Staying at home and being a housewife is just about the most boring thing I've ever done. Oh, wow, I think it's fabulous! I read a bunch of newspapers front to
back, I read lots of books, I visit with friends, I make delicious meals, I organize the household, I listen to music, I run errands, and sometimes
I just sleep <g>. Seriously, though, I can never understand being bored.
How can anyone ever get bored when the world is full of so many glorious
things to read, hear, see and experience? See, what did I tell ya, Lauri? <grin> I have a Japanese friend who arrived here several years ago and ended up depressed and restless and homesick after a few months. In Japan, none of the wives work and there is a whole social network of other mom's to hang out with during the day. They get together and cook, go shopping, get their hair and nails done, exercise, etc. The way she described it, Japanese women think American wives are absolutely crazy to want to work! It's much more fun to be at home. In fact, the kids are in school until 6 pm each day, and in the vacation months they send them off to camp if they're not traveling. Husbands work very long hours and will often stop off somewhere on the way home to have dinner and get entertained by a Geisha. The wives encourage this practice because they say they are too tired to want to listen endlessly to their husbands kvetch about their day! But after a few months in America, she was despondant because there were very few wives at home that she could connect with. It took her awhile to gain her footing, and by the time she moved back home after 5 years, she had built up her own network of SAHM's and would routinely have them over or go shopping, etc. jen

"Jennifer" <JenPam2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Vo2dne5amseFvw_dRVn-sw@comcast.com... "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:8pi3901i4o3oc84q7undk4apbcdqma46ko@4ax.com... On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:07:14 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work" outsidethe home. It's only normal and natural that she doesn't want to. Just thinkhow much nicer your home will be if you have a wife who spends time
doingwhat a wife is supposed to do. Good lord. Staying at home and being a housewife is just about the most boring thing I've ever done. Oh, wow, I think it's fabulous! I read a bunch of newspapers front to
back, I read lots of books, I visit with friends, I make delicious meals, I organize the household, I listen to music, I run errands, and sometimes I just sleep <g>. Seriously, though, I can never understand being bored.
How can anyone ever get bored when the world is full of so many glorious
things to read, hear, see and experience? Jennifer

Bravo Jennifer! Good to see that someone has their priorities in order.

Em

"Jennifer" <JenPam2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Vo2dne5amseFvw_dRVn-sw@comcast.com... "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:8pi3901i4o3oc84q7undk4apbcdqma46ko@4ax.com... On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:07:14 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work" outsidethe home. It's only normal and natural that she doesn't want to. Just thinkhow much nicer your home will be if you have a wife who spends time
doingwhat a wife is supposed to do. Good lord. Staying at home and being a housewife is just about the most boring thing I've ever done. Oh, wow, I think it's fabulous! I read a bunch of newspapers front to
back, I read lots of books, I visit with friends, I make delicious meals, I organize the household, I listen to music, I run errands, and sometimes I just sleep <g>. Seriously, though, I can never understand being bored.
How can anyone ever get bored when the world is full of so many glorious
things to read, hear, see and experience? Jennifer

Bravo Jennifer! Good to see that someone has their priorities in order.

Em

> > IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of dawn, drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other peoples problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend
god-knows-how-many hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think she is
just showing good sense. Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work? Maybe she should just change jobs.

Well, I've been working since I was 18 years old and I have never had a job
that wasn't like that. If you can show me one, please, please, do so.

Em

> > IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of dawn, drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other peoples problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend
god-knows-how-many hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think she is
just showing good sense. Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work? Maybe she should just change jobs.

Well, I've been working since I was 18 years old and I have never had a job
that wasn't like that. If you can show me one, please, please, do so.

Em

"Ignoramus17184" <ignoramus17184@NOSPAM.17184.invalid> wrote in message
news:c6tphc$8st$0@pita.alt.net... I recently stayed home with my son for one whole day. It was, first, not very difficult. Second, it was enjoyable, but I could see how it can quickly get stale. i

You've both got to be kidding. Either that or you have no imaginations.
There's a garden to plant (it's that time of year!), there's old chairs
fromt he flea market that need to be reupholstered (something new to
learn!), there's closets to be organized, there's ALWAYS bathrooms to be
cleaned!. There are recipes to be tried (Chicken Cordon Bleu- Yum) If I
live to be a hundred I won't get to try all the recipes I have in my books!.

There are candles to be made, there are musical instruments to be learned
(piano especially), there are short stories to be written. There are photo
albums to be completed. There are clothes and dolls and household goodies
to be sewn, knitted and crocheted! What about learning to weave? What
about painting that masterpiece - or at least learning how to? Make some
Christmas Ornaments out of Kitchen Clay (recipes are everywhere).

There are wonderful organizations to volunteer for! Make fund raising calls
for your local animal shelter. Make cards for people in nursing homes.

Jesus Christ, there are so many things to do that it would take fifteen
lifetimes to do them. That is if you can tear yourself away from the TV
long enough.

Em

"Ignoramus17184" <ignoramus17184@NOSPAM.17184.invalid> wrote in message
news:c6tphc$8st$0@pita.alt.net... I recently stayed home with my son for one whole day. It was, first, not very difficult. Second, it was enjoyable, but I could see how it can quickly get stale. i

You've both got to be kidding. Either that or you have no imaginations.
There's a garden to plant (it's that time of year!), there's old chairs
fromt he flea market that need to be reupholstered (something new to
learn!), there's closets to be organized, there's ALWAYS bathrooms to be
cleaned!. There are recipes to be tried (Chicken Cordon Bleu- Yum) If I
live to be a hundred I won't get to try all the recipes I have in my books!.

There are candles to be made, there are musical instruments to be learned
(piano especially), there are short stories to be written. There are photo
albums to be completed. There are clothes and dolls and household goodies
to be sewn, knitted and crocheted! What about learning to weave? What
about painting that masterpiece - or at least learning how to? Make some
Christmas Ornaments out of Kitchen Clay (recipes are everywhere).

There are wonderful organizations to volunteer for! Make fund raising calls
for your local animal shelter. Make cards for people in nursing homes.

Jesus Christ, there are so many things to do that it would take fifteen
lifetimes to do them. That is if you can tear yourself away from the TV
long enough.

Em

"JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot
com> wrote in message news:28ikc.70430$WA4.35634@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Ignoramus8917" <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> wrote in message news:c6rhfc$bat$0@pita.alt.net... Consider this purely hypothetical situation. After birth of a baby, wife wanted to work against insistence of a husband. Finally she found work. Now after 3 years, wife does not want to work. The husband is dead set against her stopping working, for a variety of reasons. What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work. This is an "important" issue, although hypothetical. I don't understand why this "wife working or not" is even an issue. If the family needs the money, then the adults need to work. If the family
doesn't need the money, then perhaps one of them can stay home. That can be negotiated between the spouses on whose job makes more / best for the
family / etc. This gender stuff is silly. Spouses should work as a team to make life easier for the entire family.
As always, a succinct and sensible reply.

Em

"JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot
com> wrote in message news:28ikc.70430$WA4.35634@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Ignoramus8917" <ignoramus8917@NOSPAM.8917.invalid> wrote in message news:c6rhfc$bat$0@pita.alt.net... Consider this purely hypothetical situation. After birth of a baby, wife wanted to work against insistence of a husband. Finally she found work. Now after 3 years, wife does not want to work. The husband is dead set against her stopping working, for a variety of reasons. What would be an effective way to prevent her from leaving work. This is an "important" issue, although hypothetical. I don't understand why this "wife working or not" is even an issue. If the family needs the money, then the adults need to work. If the family
doesn't need the money, then perhaps one of them can stay home. That can be negotiated between the spouses on whose job makes more / best for the
family / etc. This gender stuff is silly. Spouses should work as a team to make life easier for the entire family.
As always, a succinct and sensible reply.

Em

Here's my situation:
I work in a lovely 1920's house that's been converted to offices, in a
pleasant small town. I am an office manager for a small chain of gift/art
stores. There are three other people in this office and two are gone most of
the time, but they are cool and funny and are great to be around. I live
five minutes away so I never have to get up at the crack of dawn. I can wear
whatever I want, get a generous employee discount, and am very well paid.
There are restaurants nearby if I want to go out for a nice lunch , but I
usually bring one and sit outside in the garden to eat it, when the weather
is good.
I have a degree in Human Services, but only worked in that field for a few
years out of college. I learned all of the current office software when I
worked for my husband. My boss's wife is assistant principal of a local high
school, so I never have to worry about leaving early to pick up a sick
child, or taking time off for a school event.
I think I'll leave early today and walk down the street for some Rita's
water ice. Yum!

"Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message
news:cWwkc.3375$Md3.2637@fe38.usenetserver.com... IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of
dawn, drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other
peoples problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend god-knows-how-many hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think she
is just showing good sense. Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work? Maybe she should just change jobs. Well, I've been working since I was 18 years old and I have never had a
job that wasn't like that. If you can show me one, please, please, do so. Em

Here's my situation:
I work in a lovely 1920's house that's been converted to offices, in a
pleasant small town. I am an office manager for a small chain of gift/art
stores. There are three other people in this office and two are gone most of
the time, but they are cool and funny and are great to be around. I live
five minutes away so I never have to get up at the crack of dawn. I can wear
whatever I want, get a generous employee discount, and am very well paid.
There are restaurants nearby if I want to go out for a nice lunch , but I
usually bring one and sit outside in the garden to eat it, when the weather
is good.
I have a degree in Human Services, but only worked in that field for a few
years out of college. I learned all of the current office software when I
worked for my husband. My boss's wife is assistant principal of a local high
school, so I never have to worry about leaving early to pick up a sick
child, or taking time off for a school event.
I think I'll leave early today and walk down the street for some Rita's
water ice. Yum!

"Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message
news:cWwkc.3375$Md3.2637@fe38.usenetserver.com... IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of
dawn, drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other
peoples problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend god-knows-how-many hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think she
is just showing good sense. Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work? Maybe she should just change jobs. Well, I've been working since I was 18 years old and I have never had a
job that wasn't like that. If you can show me one, please, please, do so. Em

"Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message
news:cWwkc.3375$Md3.2637@fe38.usenetserver.com... IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of
dawn, drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other
peoples problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend god-knows-how-many hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think she
is just showing good sense. Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work? Maybe she should just change jobs. Well, I've been working since I was 18 years old and I have never had a
job that wasn't like that. If you can show me one, please, please, do so.

Mine isn't. I work for myself. Before that, I was a programmer who had a
pleasant job for two years (because I made it so) until they got tired of
me. Before that, I had a great job as a computer support tech and got paid
to largely surf the web as I helped people with computer problems.

I have never put up with a job I didn't like. If I even feel the least bit
like you describe three posts ago, I quit (or force a firing). I'm not
wasting my life working **** jobs - I feel I'm skilled and smart enough to
not have to. If you continually work a job you don't like, you're a fool.

"Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message
news:cWwkc.3375$Md3.2637@fe38.usenetserver.com... IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of
dawn, drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other
peoples problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend god-knows-how-many hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think she
is just showing good sense. Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work? Maybe she should just change jobs. Well, I've been working since I was 18 years old and I have never had a
job that wasn't like that. If you can show me one, please, please, do so.

Mine isn't. I work for myself. Before that, I was a programmer who had a
pleasant job for two years (because I made it so) until they got tired of
me. Before that, I had a great job as a computer support tech and got paid
to largely surf the web as I helped people with computer problems.

I have never put up with a job I didn't like. If I even feel the least bit
like you describe three posts ago, I quit (or force a firing). I'm not
wasting my life working **** jobs - I feel I'm skilled and smart enough to
not have to. If you continually work a job you don't like, you're a fool.

In article <g1xkc.3376$Md3.1799@fe38.usenetserver.com>, Auntie Em wrote: "Ignoramus17184" <ignoramus17184@NOSPAM.17184.invalid> wrote in message news:c6tphc$8st$0@pita.alt.net... I recently stayed home with my son for one whole day. It was, first, not very difficult. Second, it was enjoyable, but I could see how it can quickly get stale. i You've both got to be kidding. Either that or you have no imaginations. There's a garden to plant (it's that time of year!), there's old chairs fromt he flea market that need to be reupholstered (something new to learn!), there's closets to be organized, there's ALWAYS bathrooms to be cleaned!. There are recipes to be tried (Chicken Cordon Bleu- Yum) If I live to be a hundred I won't get to try all the recipes I have in my books!.

I am already quite bored with all that. We have a garden, I did a ton
of repairs, etc, etc.
There are candles to be made, there are musical instruments to be learned (piano especially), there are short stories to be written. There are photo albums to be completed. There are clothes and dolls and household goodies to be sewn, knitted and crocheted! What about learning to weave? What about painting that masterpiece - or at least learning how to? Make some Christmas Ornaments out of Kitchen Clay (recipes are everywhere).

Some excellent examples of great things to do, thanks. Still, I am
pretty sure that at some point I would get bored with all that.
This is not a universal statement about all people, but only about me.
Jesus Christ, there are so many things to do that it would take fifteen lifetimes to do them. That is if you can tear yourself away from the TV long enough.

i do not watch tv...
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char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}
"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."

In article <g1xkc.3376$Md3.1799@fe38.usenetserver.com>, Auntie Em wrote: "Ignoramus17184" <ignoramus17184@NOSPAM.17184.invalid> wrote in message news:c6tphc$8st$0@pita.alt.net... I recently stayed home with my son for one whole day. It was, first, not very difficult. Second, it was enjoyable, but I could see how it can quickly get stale. i You've both got to be kidding. Either that or you have no imaginations. There's a garden to plant (it's that time of year!), there's old chairs fromt he flea market that need to be reupholstered (something new to learn!), there's closets to be organized, there's ALWAYS bathrooms to be cleaned!. There are recipes to be tried (Chicken Cordon Bleu- Yum) If I live to be a hundred I won't get to try all the recipes I have in my books!.

I am already quite bored with all that. We have a garden, I did a ton
of repairs, etc, etc.
There are candles to be made, there are musical instruments to be learned (piano especially), there are short stories to be written. There are photo albums to be completed. There are clothes and dolls and household goodies to be sewn, knitted and crocheted! What about learning to weave? What about painting that masterpiece - or at least learning how to? Make some Christmas Ornaments out of Kitchen Clay (recipes are everywhere).

Some excellent examples of great things to do, thanks. Still, I am
pretty sure that at some point I would get bored with all that.
This is not a universal statement about all people, but only about me.
Jesus Christ, there are so many things to do that it would take fifteen lifetimes to do them. That is if you can tear yourself away from the TV long enough.

i do not watch tv...
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@ @ @ Please forgive my typos as my right hand is injured. @ @ @
char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}
"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."

"Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message
news:g1xkc.3376$Md3.1799@fe38.usenetserver.com... "Ignoramus17184" <ignoramus17184@NOSPAM.17184.invalid> wrote in message news:c6tphc$8st$0@pita.alt.net... I recently stayed home with my son for one whole day. It was, first, not very difficult. Second, it was enjoyable, but I could see how it can quickly get stale. i You've both got to be kidding. Either that or you have no imaginations. There's a garden to plant (it's that time of year!), there's old chairs fromt he flea market that need to be reupholstered (something new to learn!), there's closets to be organized, there's ALWAYS bathrooms to be cleaned!. There are recipes to be tried (Chicken Cordon Bleu- Yum) If I live to be a hundred I won't get to try all the recipes I have in my
books!. There are candles to be made, there are musical instruments to be learned (piano especially), there are short stories to be written. There are
photo albums to be completed. There are clothes and dolls and household goodies to be sewn, knitted and crocheted! What about learning to weave? What about painting that masterpiece - or at least learning how to? Make some Christmas Ornaments out of Kitchen Clay (recipes are everywhere). There are wonderful organizations to volunteer for! Make fund raising
calls for your local animal shelter. Make cards for people in nursing homes. Jesus Christ, there are so many things to do that it would take fifteen lifetimes to do them. That is if you can tear yourself away from the TV long enough.

got to agree with you. Lots of stuff to do. *Especially* if you have a
house. I'm 37, been in this house 5 years, have done a TON of stuff to it,
and I'm confident I will never really finish :)

"Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message
news:g1xkc.3376$Md3.1799@fe38.usenetserver.com... "Ignoramus17184" <ignoramus17184@NOSPAM.17184.invalid> wrote in message news:c6tphc$8st$0@pita.alt.net... I recently stayed home with my son for one whole day. It was, first, not very difficult. Second, it was enjoyable, but I could see how it can quickly get stale. i You've both got to be kidding. Either that or you have no imaginations. There's a garden to plant (it's that time of year!), there's old chairs fromt he flea market that need to be reupholstered (something new to learn!), there's closets to be organized, there's ALWAYS bathrooms to be cleaned!. There are recipes to be tried (Chicken Cordon Bleu- Yum) If I live to be a hundred I won't get to try all the recipes I have in my
books!. There are candles to be made, there are musical instruments to be learned (piano especially), there are short stories to be written. There are
photo albums to be completed. There are clothes and dolls and household goodies to be sewn, knitted and crocheted! What about learning to weave? What about painting that masterpiece - or at least learning how to? Make some Christmas Ornaments out of Kitchen Clay (recipes are everywhere). There are wonderful organizations to volunteer for! Make fund raising
calls for your local animal shelter. Make cards for people in nursing homes. Jesus Christ, there are so many things to do that it would take fifteen lifetimes to do them. That is if you can tear yourself away from the TV long enough.

got to agree with you. Lots of stuff to do. *Especially* if you have a
house. I'm 37, been in this house 5 years, have done a TON of stuff to it,
and I'm confident I will never really finish :)

"JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot
com> wrote in message news:NLxkc.30361$mX.11434668@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message news:cWwkc.3375$Md3.2637@fe38.usenetserver.com... > IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of dawn, > drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other peoples > problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend god-knows-how-many > hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think she is just > showing good sense. Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work? Maybe she should just change jobs. Well, I've been working since I was 18 years old and I have never had a job that wasn't like that. If you can show me one, please, please, do so. Mine isn't. I work for myself. Before that, I was a programmer who had a pleasant job for two years (because I made it so) until they got tired of me. Before that, I had a great job as a computer support tech and got paid to largely surf the web as I helped people with computer problems. I have never put up with a job I didn't like. If I even feel the least bit like you describe three posts ago, I quit (or force a firing). I'm not wasting my life working **** jobs - I feel I'm skilled and smart enough to not have to. If you continually work a job you don't like, you're a fool.

Not you personally, AE - just wanted to clarify that (as it sounds
insulting)

"JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot
com> wrote in message news:NLxkc.30361$mX.11434668@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message news:cWwkc.3375$Md3.2637@fe38.usenetserver.com... > IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of dawn, > drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other peoples > problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend god-knows-how-many > hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think she is just > showing good sense. Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work? Maybe she should just change jobs. Well, I've been working since I was 18 years old and I have never had a job that wasn't like that. If you can show me one, please, please, do so. Mine isn't. I work for myself. Before that, I was a programmer who had a pleasant job for two years (because I made it so) until they got tired of me. Before that, I had a great job as a computer support tech and got paid to largely surf the web as I helped people with computer problems. I have never put up with a job I didn't like. If I even feel the least bit like you describe three posts ago, I quit (or force a firing). I'm not wasting my life working **** jobs - I feel I'm skilled and smart enough to not have to. If you continually work a job you don't like, you're a fool.

Not you personally, AE - just wanted to clarify that (as it sounds
insulting)

In article <NLxkc.30361$mX.11434668@twister.nyc.rr.com>, JWB wrote: "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message news:cWwkc.3375$Md3.2637@fe38.usenetserver.com... > IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of dawn, > drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other peoples > problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend god-knows-how-many > hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think she is just > showing good sense. Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work? Maybe she should just change jobs. Well, I've been working since I was 18 years old and I have never had a job that wasn't like that. If you can show me one, please, please, do so. Mine isn't. I work for myself. Before that, I was a programmer who had a pleasant job for two years (because I made it so) until they got tired of me. Before that, I had a great job as a computer support tech and got paid to largely surf the web as I helped people with computer problems. I have never put up with a job I didn't like. If I even feel the least bit like you describe three posts ago, I quit (or force a firing). I'm not wasting my life working **** jobs - I feel I'm skilled and smart enough to not have to. If you continually work a job you don't like, you're a fool.

same here.


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char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}
"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."

In article <NLxkc.30361$mX.11434668@twister.nyc.rr.com>, JWB wrote: "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message news:cWwkc.3375$Md3.2637@fe38.usenetserver.com... > IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of dawn, > drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other peoples > problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend god-knows-how-many > hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think she is just > showing good sense. Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work? Maybe she should just change jobs. Well, I've been working since I was 18 years old and I have never had a job that wasn't like that. If you can show me one, please, please, do so. Mine isn't. I work for myself. Before that, I was a programmer who had a pleasant job for two years (because I made it so) until they got tired of me. Before that, I had a great job as a computer support tech and got paid to largely surf the web as I helped people with computer problems. I have never put up with a job I didn't like. If I even feel the least bit like you describe three posts ago, I quit (or force a firing). I'm not wasting my life working **** jobs - I feel I'm skilled and smart enough to not have to. If you continually work a job you don't like, you're a fool.

same here.


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char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}
"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."

"Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> writes:
IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of dawn, drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other peoples problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend god-knows-how-many hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think she is just showing good sense. Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work? Maybe she should just change jobs. Well, I've been working since I was 18 years old and I have never had a job that wasn't like that. If you can show me one, please, please, do so.

OK. I've never had a job like that. In going on 25 years.

Some of the jobs I see which are not like that (some of which I've
had):

-winemaking
-many jobs in medical areas
-teaching adults
-doing scientific research
-childcare
-working in natural foods store
-parks service ranger
-plumber
-carpenter

I could go on and on, but these are at the top of my list this instant
either because I've done them or because I've had close contact with
people who have done them while they were working and could see the
satisfcation they derived from their jobs.

Now many of them require training you might not have, and others may
not pay as well as you'd like, but those are _choices_ you've made
about what is a priority.

"Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> writes:
IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of dawn, drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other peoples problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend god-knows-how-many hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think she is just showing good sense. Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work? Maybe she should just change jobs. Well, I've been working since I was 18 years old and I have never had a job that wasn't like that. If you can show me one, please, please, do so.

OK. I've never had a job like that. In going on 25 years.

Some of the jobs I see which are not like that (some of which I've
had):

-winemaking
-many jobs in medical areas
-teaching adults
-doing scientific research
-childcare
-working in natural foods store
-parks service ranger
-plumber
-carpenter

I could go on and on, but these are at the top of my list this instant
either because I've done them or because I've had close contact with
people who have done them while they were working and could see the
satisfcation they derived from their jobs.

Now many of them require training you might not have, and others may
not pay as well as you'd like, but those are _choices_ you've made
about what is a priority.

"Jennifer" <JenPam2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Vo2dne5amseFvw_dRVn-sw@comcast.com... "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:8pi3901i4o3oc84q7undk4apbcdqma46ko@4ax.com... On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:07:14 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work" outsidethe home. It's only normal and natural that she doesn't want to. Just thinkhow much nicer your home will be if you have a wife who spends time
doingwhat a wife is supposed to do. Good lord. Staying at home and being a housewife is just about the most boring thing I've ever done. Oh, wow, I think it's fabulous! I read a bunch of newspapers front to
back, I read lots of books, I visit with friends, I make delicious meals, I organize the household, I listen to music, I run errands, and sometimes I just sleep <g>. Seriously, though, I can never understand being bored.
How can anyone ever get bored when the world is full of so many glorious
things to read, hear, see and experience? Jennifer

For myself, and I am only home 2 days per week, the things I am supposed to
be doing are boring. Dishes, laundry, sweeping. I cannot quite justify
reading and whatnot when the house is a sty. When the kids are napping, that
is my job. I would bet that I would have an earier time if I were more
organized and the housework was not always burying me. But for me it is like
3 hours out of the day. The rest is reading (Clifford, but whatever),
playing outside. Good stuff.

"Jennifer" <JenPam2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Vo2dne5amseFvw_dRVn-sw@comcast.com... "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:8pi3901i4o3oc84q7undk4apbcdqma46ko@4ax.com... On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:07:14 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work" outsidethe home. It's only normal and natural that she doesn't want to. Just thinkhow much nicer your home will be if you have a wife who spends time
doingwhat a wife is supposed to do. Good lord. Staying at home and being a housewife is just about the most boring thing I've ever done. Oh, wow, I think it's fabulous! I read a bunch of newspapers front to
back, I read lots of books, I visit with friends, I make delicious meals, I organize the household, I listen to music, I run errands, and sometimes I just sleep <g>. Seriously, though, I can never understand being bored.
How can anyone ever get bored when the world is full of so many glorious
things to read, hear, see and experience? Jennifer

For myself, and I am only home 2 days per week, the things I am supposed to
be doing are boring. Dishes, laundry, sweeping. I cannot quite justify
reading and whatnot when the house is a sty. When the kids are napping, that
is my job. I would bet that I would have an earier time if I were more
organized and the housework was not always burying me. But for me it is like
3 hours out of the day. The rest is reading (Clifford, but whatever),
playing outside. Good stuff.

"JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot
com> wrote in message news:NQxkc.30363$mX.11435109@twister.nyc.rr.com... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:NLxkc.30361$mX.11434668@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message news:cWwkc.3375$Md3.2637@fe38.usenetserver.com... > > IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of dawn, > > drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other peoples > > problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend god-knows-how-many > > hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think
she is just > > showing good sense. > > Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work? Maybe
she > should just change jobs. Well, I've been working since I was 18 years old and I have never had
a job that wasn't like that. If you can show me one, please, please, do so. Mine isn't. I work for myself. Before that, I was a programmer who had a pleasant job for two years (because I made it so) until they got tired
of me. Before that, I had a great job as a computer support tech and got
paid to largely surf the web as I helped people with computer problems. I have never put up with a job I didn't like. If I even feel the least
bit like you describe three posts ago, I quit (or force a firing). I'm not wasting my life working **** jobs - I feel I'm skilled and smart enough
to not have to. If you continually work a job you don't like, you're a
fool. Not you personally, AE - just wanted to clarify that (as it sounds insulting)

No offense taken JWB. I agree with the sentiment; however, I guess I have
just had a rash of bad luck where jobs are concerned. In all my 30+ years
of working I can honestly say that I have never had one (aside from being a
stay at home wife!) that I have enjoyed. I guess I am doomed to be
miserable in the work place. Oh well *sigh*.

Em

"JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot
com> wrote in message news:NQxkc.30363$mX.11435109@twister.nyc.rr.com... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:NLxkc.30361$mX.11434668@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message news:cWwkc.3375$Md3.2637@fe38.usenetserver.com... > > IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of dawn, > > drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other peoples > > problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend god-knows-how-many > > hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think
she is just > > showing good sense. > > Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work? Maybe
she > should just change jobs. Well, I've been working since I was 18 years old and I have never had
a job that wasn't like that. If you can show me one, please, please, do so. Mine isn't. I work for myself. Before that, I was a programmer who had a pleasant job for two years (because I made it so) until they got tired
of me. Before that, I had a great job as a computer support tech and got
paid to largely surf the web as I helped people with computer problems. I have never put up with a job I didn't like. If I even feel the least
bit like you describe three posts ago, I quit (or force a firing). I'm not wasting my life working **** jobs - I feel I'm skilled and smart enough
to not have to. If you continually work a job you don't like, you're a
fool. Not you personally, AE - just wanted to clarify that (as it sounds insulting)

No offense taken JWB. I agree with the sentiment; however, I guess I have
just had a rash of bad luck where jobs are concerned. In all my 30+ years
of working I can honestly say that I have never had one (aside from being a
stay at home wife!) that I have enjoyed. I guess I am doomed to be
miserable in the work place. Oh well *sigh*.

Em

"Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message
news:gcBkc.5743$gz6.4624@fe21... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:NQxkc.30363$mX.11435109@twister.nyc.rr.com... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:NLxkc.30361$mX.11434668@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message news:cWwkc.3375$Md3.2637@fe38.usenetserver.com... > > > IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack
of dawn, > > > drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other peoples > > > problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend > god-knows-how-many > > > hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think she is > just > > > showing good sense. > > > > Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work? Maybe she > > should just change jobs. > > Well, I've been working since I was 18 years old and I have never
had a job > that wasn't like that. If you can show me one, please, please, do
so. > Mine isn't. I work for myself. Before that, I was a programmer who had
a pleasant job for two years (because I made it so) until they got tired of me. Before that, I had a great job as a computer support tech and got paid to largely surf the web as I helped people with computer problems. I have never put up with a job I didn't like. If I even feel the least bit like you describe three posts ago, I quit (or force a firing). I'm not wasting my life working **** jobs - I feel I'm skilled and smart
enough to not have to. If you continually work a job you don't like, you're a fool. Not you personally, AE - just wanted to clarify that (as it sounds insulting) No offense taken JWB. I agree with the sentiment; however, I guess I have just had a rash of bad luck where jobs are concerned. In all my 30+ years of working I can honestly say that I have never had one (aside from being
a stay at home wife!) that I have enjoyed. I guess I am doomed to be miserable in the work place. Oh well *sigh*.

what do you do (generally) and what do you LIKE to do? Is your job something
that can be done from home? You'd be surprised at how much work can be done
from home, and how powerful the internet really is. I do work for about 30
clients, none of whom I've met face to face. They all found me searching for
my particular skill.

"Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message
news:gcBkc.5743$gz6.4624@fe21... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:NQxkc.30363$mX.11435109@twister.nyc.rr.com... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:NLxkc.30361$mX.11434668@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message news:cWwkc.3375$Md3.2637@fe38.usenetserver.com... > > > IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack
of dawn, > > > drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with other peoples > > > problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend > god-knows-how-many > > > hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I think she is > just > > > showing good sense. > > > > Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work? Maybe she > > should just change jobs. > > Well, I've been working since I was 18 years old and I have never
had a job > that wasn't like that. If you can show me one, please, please, do
so. > Mine isn't. I work for myself. Before that, I was a programmer who had
a pleasant job for two years (because I made it so) until they got tired of me. Before that, I had a great job as a computer support tech and got paid to largely surf the web as I helped people with computer problems. I have never put up with a job I didn't like. If I even feel the least bit like you describe three posts ago, I quit (or force a firing). I'm not wasting my life working **** jobs - I feel I'm skilled and smart
enough to not have to. If you continually work a job you don't like, you're a fool. Not you personally, AE - just wanted to clarify that (as it sounds insulting) No offense taken JWB. I agree with the sentiment; however, I guess I have just had a rash of bad luck where jobs are concerned. In all my 30+ years of working I can honestly say that I have never had one (aside from being
a stay at home wife!) that I have enjoyed. I guess I am doomed to be miserable in the work place. Oh well *sigh*.

what do you do (generally) and what do you LIKE to do? Is your job something
that can be done from home? You'd be surprised at how much work can be done
from home, and how powerful the internet really is. I do work for about 30
clients, none of whom I've met face to face. They all found me searching for
my particular skill.

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:36:45 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie
Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:

Jesus Christ, there are so many things to do that it would take fifteenlifetimes to do them. That is if you can tear yourself away from the TVlong enough.

Well, you turned nasty in a hurry. Was that really necessary?

Lauri in WA

I like my email spamless

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:36:45 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie
Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:

Jesus Christ, there are so many things to do that it would take fifteenlifetimes to do them. That is if you can tear yourself away from the TVlong enough.

Well, you turned nasty in a hurry. Was that really necessary?

Lauri in WA

I like my email spamless

"JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot
com> wrote in message news:NgBkc.30379$mX.11487402@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message news:gcBkc.5743$gz6.4624@fe21... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:NQxkc.30363$mX.11435109@twister.nyc.rr.com... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite
dot com> wrote in message
news:NLxkc.30361$mX.11434668@twister.nyc.rr.com... > "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message > news:cWwkc.3375$Md3.2637@fe38.usenetserver.com... > > > > IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of > dawn, > > > > drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with
other > peoples > > > > problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend > > god-knows-how-many > > > > hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I
think she > is > > just > > > > showing good sense. > > > > > > Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work?
Maybe she > > > should just change jobs. > > > > Well, I've been working since I was 18 years old and I have never had a > job > > that wasn't like that. If you can show me one, please, please, do so. > > > > Mine isn't. I work for myself. Before that, I was a programmer who
had a > pleasant job for two years (because I made it so) until they got
tired of > me. Before that, I had a great job as a computer support tech and
got paid > to largely surf the web as I helped people with computer problems. > > I have never put up with a job I didn't like. If I even feel the
least bit > like you describe three posts ago, I quit (or force a firing). I'm
not > wasting my life working **** jobs - I feel I'm skilled and smart enough to > not have to. If you continually work a job you don't like, you're a fool. Not you personally, AE - just wanted to clarify that (as it sounds insulting) No offense taken JWB. I agree with the sentiment; however, I guess I
have just had a rash of bad luck where jobs are concerned. In all my 30+
years of working I can honestly say that I have never had one (aside from
being a stay at home wife!) that I have enjoyed. I guess I am doomed to be miserable in the work place. Oh well *sigh*. what do you do (generally) and what do you LIKE to do? Is your job
something that can be done from home? You'd be surprised at how much work can be
done from home, and how powerful the internet really is. I do work for about 30 clients, none of whom I've met face to face. They all found me searching
for my particular skill.

Well, mostly computer-related things like administrative assistant, office
manager, accounts payable and receivable, that sort of thing. I do have
some specialities such as experience in marketing, data entry, collections;
and I have about 5 years experience as a legal secretary. In addition, I
have done some medical billing and worked with unix based relational
databases (Oracle, Matrix).

Believe me JWB, I have looked and looked and looked for something to do from
home and so far, I haven't had much luck aside from a stint as an "adult
actress" and "psychic reader" both of which, were NOT my cup of tea-leaves
so to speak.

What I like to do is a job that requires minimal contact with the outside
world and has limited stress factors. Believe it or not, if I could sit at
a computer terminal all by myself for 10 hours a day and enter data, (and
make a decent living at it), I would be happiest person alive.
Unfortunately, jobs like this seem to be few and far between and seem to
attract the dregs of the earth as co-workers, not to mention you're lucky if
you make more than $6 per hour to do it.

Doomed, I say doomed.

Em

"JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot
com> wrote in message news:NgBkc.30379$mX.11487402@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message news:gcBkc.5743$gz6.4624@fe21... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:NQxkc.30363$mX.11435109@twister.nyc.rr.com... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite
dot com> wrote in message
news:NLxkc.30361$mX.11434668@twister.nyc.rr.com... > "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message > news:cWwkc.3375$Md3.2637@fe38.usenetserver.com... > > > > IMHO no one in their right mind "wants" to get up at the crack of > dawn, > > > > drive to a stark, cold and sterile environment, deal with
other > peoples > > > > problems, personalities and emotional issues, and spend > > god-knows-how-many > > > > hours away from their home and family on a daily basis. I
think she > is > > just > > > > showing good sense. > > > > > > Yikes! Is that what this hypothetical women does for work?
Maybe she > > > should just change jobs. > > > > Well, I've been working since I was 18 years old and I have never had a > job > > that wasn't like that. If you can show me one, please, please, do so. > > > > Mine isn't. I work for myself. Before that, I was a programmer who
had a > pleasant job for two years (because I made it so) until they got
tired of > me. Before that, I had a great job as a computer support tech and
got paid > to largely surf the web as I helped people with computer problems. > > I have never put up with a job I didn't like. If I even feel the
least bit > like you describe three posts ago, I quit (or force a firing). I'm
not > wasting my life working **** jobs - I feel I'm skilled and smart enough to > not have to. If you continually work a job you don't like, you're a fool. Not you personally, AE - just wanted to clarify that (as it sounds insulting) No offense taken JWB. I agree with the sentiment; however, I guess I
have just had a rash of bad luck where jobs are concerned. In all my 30+
years of working I can honestly say that I have never had one (aside from
being a stay at home wife!) that I have enjoyed. I guess I am doomed to be miserable in the work place. Oh well *sigh*. what do you do (generally) and what do you LIKE to do? Is your job
something that can be done from home? You'd be surprised at how much work can be
done from home, and how powerful the internet really is. I do work for about 30 clients, none of whom I've met face to face. They all found me searching
for my particular skill.

Well, mostly computer-related things like administrative assistant, office
manager, accounts payable and receivable, that sort of thing. I do have
some specialities such as experience in marketing, data entry, collections;
and I have about 5 years experience as a legal secretary. In addition, I
have done some medical billing and worked with unix based relational
databases (Oracle, Matrix).

Believe me JWB, I have looked and looked and looked for something to do from
home and so far, I haven't had much luck aside from a stint as an "adult
actress" and "psychic reader" both of which, were NOT my cup of tea-leaves
so to speak.

What I like to do is a job that requires minimal contact with the outside
world and has limited stress factors. Believe it or not, if I could sit at
a computer terminal all by myself for 10 hours a day and enter data, (and
make a decent living at it), I would be happiest person alive.
Unfortunately, jobs like this seem to be few and far between and seem to
attract the dregs of the earth as co-workers, not to mention you're lucky if
you make more than $6 per hour to do it.

Doomed, I say doomed.

Em

"Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message
news:RaEkc.5756$gz6.5134@fe21...
Well, mostly computer-related things like administrative assistant, office manager, accounts payable and receivable, that sort of thing. I do have some specialities such as experience in marketing, data entry,
collections; and I have about 5 years experience as a legal secretary. In addition, I have done some medical billing and worked with unix based relational databases (Oracle, Matrix). Believe me JWB, I have looked and looked and looked for something to do
from home and so far, I haven't had much luck aside from a stint as an "adult actress" and "psychic reader" both of which, were NOT my cup of tea-leaves so to speak. What I like to do is a job that requires minimal contact with the outside world and has limited stress factors. Believe it or not, if I could sit
at a computer terminal all by myself for 10 hours a day and enter data, (and make a decent living at it), I would be happiest person alive. Unfortunately, jobs like this seem to be few and far between and seem to attract the dregs of the earth as co-workers, not to mention you're lucky
if you make more than $6 per hour to do it. Doomed, I say doomed.

The reason is you're looking for a "job" doing that - you won't find one.
What you have to do is start your own biz (Auntie Em's corporate collections
/ data entry / legal secratary service or whatnot). Then, you set up a
website (not hard - or you pay a high school kid 100 bucks to make you one -
all you need is a simple 3-5 page site describing what you do). After your
website is set up, you go to google and look at keyword advertising - plus,
you e-mail human resources people all over the country. Make it a job to do
ten a day.

Of course, you market your service locally - door to door if needs be.

Take corporate collections, for example:

Almost every company has a person or three doing collections. People they
are paying benefits to and supplying with a computer / light / heat etc etc.
I've never once seen these people (or most corporate drones) *earn* their
money - they mill about doing a small amount of work and gab to their
friends all day about their husbands and kids. I say, market yourself in a
way that explains to companies that they can save that money, and get
higher quality work. Tap into the outsourcing mentality that's all the rage
today.

I'll put it to you this way - the job I do now is *exactly* the same job I
did for my former employer, except my clients do not provide me with a desk
or benefits - they pay *only* for the work I do (and I charge a premium)

Will you be busy enough to match a "job" income? No, probably not right
away. Will you be in a year if you *honestly* give your best effort? More
than likely.

I admit you have to have some financial flexibility to do this right. I did
mine while collecting 6 months of unemployment - I'm sure you could force a
firing if you chose to ;) Does your husband work? Are you living week to
week (this would make it tough)? The tax advantages to owning your own
business are HUGE. The first year or two, you will keep almost all the money
you earn (home office, computers, your internet connection, part of your
phone bill - all deductible from you and your spouses combined income).

If you truly want to, and have at least some skill, owning your own business
and working from home is very do-able.

JWB

"Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message
news:RaEkc.5756$gz6.5134@fe21...
Well, mostly computer-related things like administrative assistant, office manager, accounts payable and receivable, that sort of thing. I do have some specialities such as experience in marketing, data entry,
collections; and I have about 5 years experience as a legal secretary. In addition, I have done some medical billing and worked with unix based relational databases (Oracle, Matrix). Believe me JWB, I have looked and looked and looked for something to do
from home and so far, I haven't had much luck aside from a stint as an "adult actress" and "psychic reader" both of which, were NOT my cup of tea-leaves so to speak. What I like to do is a job that requires minimal contact with the outside world and has limited stress factors. Believe it or not, if I could sit
at a computer terminal all by myself for 10 hours a day and enter data, (and make a decent living at it), I would be happiest person alive. Unfortunately, jobs like this seem to be few and far between and seem to attract the dregs of the earth as co-workers, not to mention you're lucky
if you make more than $6 per hour to do it. Doomed, I say doomed.

The reason is you're looking for a "job" doing that - you won't find one.
What you have to do is start your own biz (Auntie Em's corporate collections
/ data entry / legal secratary service or whatnot). Then, you set up a
website (not hard - or you pay a high school kid 100 bucks to make you one -
all you need is a simple 3-5 page site describing what you do). After your
website is set up, you go to google and look at keyword advertising - plus,
you e-mail human resources people all over the country. Make it a job to do
ten a day.

Of course, you market your service locally - door to door if needs be.

Take corporate collections, for example:

Almost every company has a person or three doing collections. People they
are paying benefits to and supplying with a computer / light / heat etc etc.
I've never once seen these people (or most corporate drones) *earn* their
money - they mill about doing a small amount of work and gab to their
friends all day about their husbands and kids. I say, market yourself in a
way that explains to companies that they can save that money, and get
higher quality work. Tap into the outsourcing mentality that's all the rage
today.

I'll put it to you this way - the job I do now is *exactly* the same job I
did for my former employer, except my clients do not provide me with a desk
or benefits - they pay *only* for the work I do (and I charge a premium)

Will you be busy enough to match a "job" income? No, probably not right
away. Will you be in a year if you *honestly* give your best effort? More
than likely.

I admit you have to have some financial flexibility to do this right. I did
mine while collecting 6 months of unemployment - I'm sure you could force a
firing if you chose to ;) Does your husband work? Are you living week to
week (this would make it tough)? The tax advantages to owning your own
business are HUGE. The first year or two, you will keep almost all the money
you earn (home office, computers, your internet connection, part of your
phone bill - all deductible from you and your spouses combined income).

If you truly want to, and have at least some skill, owning your own business
and working from home is very do-able.

JWB

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:44:34 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie
Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:

What I like to do is a job that requires minimal contact with the outsideworld and has limited stress factors. Believe it or not, if I could sit ata computer terminal all by myself for 10 hours a day and enter data, (andmake a decent living at it), I would be happiest person alive.

This helps me to understand why you don't find housework/homemaking to
be boring. If I liked to be alone all the time with minimal contact,
doing routine tasks, then I guess I'd like to be a homemaker as well.
I tried it for a few years and it just wasn't my cup of tea. I like
to be out in the world interacting with interesting, intelligent
people and solving tricky problems.

Lauri in WA

I like my email spamless

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:44:34 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie
Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:

What I like to do is a job that requires minimal contact with the outsideworld and has limited stress factors. Believe it or not, if I could sit ata computer terminal all by myself for 10 hours a day and enter data, (andmake a decent living at it), I would be happiest person alive.

This helps me to understand why you don't find housework/homemaking to
be boring. If I liked to be alone all the time with minimal contact,
doing routine tasks, then I guess I'd like to be a homemaker as well.
I tried it for a few years and it just wasn't my cup of tea. I like
to be out in the world interacting with interesting, intelligent
people and solving tricky problems.

Lauri in WA

I like my email spamless

"Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message
news:sm9690pcmtjd5j47re7l2sueneuhqlcd8g@4ax.com... On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:44:34 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:What I like to do is a job that requires minimal contact with the outsideworld and has limited stress factors. Believe it or not, if I could sit
ata computer terminal all by myself for 10 hours a day and enter data, (andmake a decent living at it), I would be happiest person alive. This helps me to understand why you don't find housework/homemaking to be boring. If I liked to be alone all the time with minimal contact, doing routine tasks, then I guess I'd like to be a homemaker as well. I tried it for a few years and it just wasn't my cup of tea. I like to be out in the world interacting with interesting, intelligent people and solving tricky problems.

I like solving tricky problems, but I have found in most work settings the
majority of people are neither intelligent nor interesting.

"Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message
news:sm9690pcmtjd5j47re7l2sueneuhqlcd8g@4ax.com... On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:44:34 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:What I like to do is a job that requires minimal contact with the outsideworld and has limited stress factors. Believe it or not, if I could sit
ata computer terminal all by myself for 10 hours a day and enter data, (andmake a decent living at it), I would be happiest person alive. This helps me to understand why you don't find housework/homemaking to be boring. If I liked to be alone all the time with minimal contact, doing routine tasks, then I guess I'd like to be a homemaker as well. I tried it for a few years and it just wasn't my cup of tea. I like to be out in the world interacting with interesting, intelligent people and solving tricky problems.

I like solving tricky problems, but I have found in most work settings the
majority of people are neither intelligent nor interesting.

"shinypenny" <shinypenny0001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
My folks are retired and they never cease to amaze me. They are constantly in motion with their various activities and hobbies, and are never bored.

I'm clearly biased toward being a SAHM, though, because my mom (who's 65)
has never had a job. Well, IIRC she had a 3-month stint in Germany when she
was 18, but nothing beyond that. After the four of us kids grew up and
left, she continued a good life with my dad. Now that he's retired, they go
to the opera and museums, she walks her dog with a friend, they eat gourmet
meals she spends hours making, etc. They don't have much money, but they
keep busy and interested in life. My mother has never had the slightest
inclination to have a job, even though having extra finances would mean they
could travel more extensively.

Jennifer

"shinypenny" <shinypenny0001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
My folks are retired and they never cease to amaze me. They are constantly in motion with their various activities and hobbies, and are never bored.

I'm clearly biased toward being a SAHM, though, because my mom (who's 65)
has never had a job. Well, IIRC she had a 3-month stint in Germany when she
was 18, but nothing beyond that. After the four of us kids grew up and
left, she continued a good life with my dad. Now that he's retired, they go
to the opera and museums, she walks her dog with a friend, they eat gourmet
meals she spends hours making, etc. They don't have much money, but they
keep busy and interested in life. My mother has never had the slightest
inclination to have a job, even though having extra finances would mean they
could travel more extensively.

Jennifer

"shinypenny" <shinypenny0001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
But after a few months in America, she was despondant because there were very few wives at home that she could connect with. It took her awhile to gain her footing, and by the time she moved back home after 5 years, she had built up her own network of SAHM's and would routinely have them over or go shopping, etc.

That's it, exactly, for me! The first while after I was home (I did work
while my oldest was little), when my twins were babies, it was SO hard.
Part of it was boredom, a lot of it was not having any sort of routine
(which I thrive on), but most of it was feeling isolated. Now that it's
been ten years, I have a vast network of friends I can call up any time of
the day and just say, hey, want to go grab a meal together? Want to hang
out with the kids together? Do you want to go with us this afternoon to the
park? I LOVE spending time with people, and being at home enables me to do
that more than if I were at work. So I would miss that desperately were I
to go to a job.

At first, though, staying home can be hard to wrap your mind around. It's
very different from what you were doing before, and it's never exactly what
you imagine it will be!

Jennifer

"shinypenny" <shinypenny0001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
But after a few months in America, she was despondant because there were very few wives at home that she could connect with. It took her awhile to gain her footing, and by the time she moved back home after 5 years, she had built up her own network of SAHM's and would routinely have them over or go shopping, etc.

That's it, exactly, for me! The first while after I was home (I did work
while my oldest was little), when my twins were babies, it was SO hard.
Part of it was boredom, a lot of it was not having any sort of routine
(which I thrive on), but most of it was feeling isolated. Now that it's
been ten years, I have a vast network of friends I can call up any time of
the day and just say, hey, want to go grab a meal together? Want to hang
out with the kids together? Do you want to go with us this afternoon to the
park? I LOVE spending time with people, and being at home enables me to do
that more than if I were at work. So I would miss that desperately were I
to go to a job.

At first, though, staying home can be hard to wrap your mind around. It's
very different from what you were doing before, and it's never exactly what
you imagine it will be!

Jennifer

"Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message
news:tUwkc.3374$Md3.3357@fe38.usenetserver.com...
Bravo Jennifer! Good to see that someone has their priorities in order.

Yabbut, don't forget I spend a lot of time raising my four kids <g>.

Jennifer

"Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message
news:tUwkc.3374$Md3.3357@fe38.usenetserver.com...
Bravo Jennifer! Good to see that someone has their priorities in order.

Yabbut, don't forget I spend a lot of time raising my four kids <g>.

Jennifer

"JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot
com> wrote in message news:kWFkc.75905
This helps me to understand why you don't find housework/homemaking to be boring. If I liked to be alone all the time with minimal contact, doing routine tasks, then I guess I'd like to be a homemaker as well. I tried it for a few years and it just wasn't my cup of tea. I like to be out in the world interacting with interesting, intelligent people and solving tricky problems. I like solving tricky problems, but I have found in most work settings the majority of people are neither intelligent nor interesting.

And, you can be out in the world interacting with interesting, intelligent
people (even solving tricky problems) without having to work outside the
home. Like you, Lauri, I thrive on contact with others. Being an at-home
mother or wife (or father or husband) doesn't mean you're not allowed
outside. :-)

Jennifer

"JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot
com> wrote in message news:kWFkc.75905
This helps me to understand why you don't find housework/homemaking to be boring. If I liked to be alone all the time with minimal contact, doing routine tasks, then I guess I'd like to be a homemaker as well. I tried it for a few years and it just wasn't my cup of tea. I like to be out in the world interacting with interesting, intelligent people and solving tricky problems. I like solving tricky problems, but I have found in most work settings the majority of people are neither intelligent nor interesting.

And, you can be out in the world interacting with interesting, intelligent
people (even solving tricky problems) without having to work outside the
home. Like you, Lauri, I thrive on contact with others. Being an at-home
mother or wife (or father or husband) doesn't mean you're not allowed
outside. :-)

Jennifer

"Stephanie Stowe" <stowe@whackthisvsac.org> wrote in message
news:_YadnRxQh9m0Mg_dRVn-sQ@telcove.net...
For myself, and I am only home 2 days per week, the things I am supposed
to be doing are boring. Dishes, laundry, sweeping. I cannot quite justify reading and whatnot when the house is a sty. When the kids are napping,
that is my job. I would bet that I would have an earier time if I were more organized and the housework was not always burying me. But for me it is
like 3 hours out of the day. The rest is reading (Clifford, but whatever), playing outside. Good stuff.

I actually don't do much housework during the day. I do the laundry late at
night (I'm a night owl), and we have a cleaning service come in to do the
nitty-gritty cleaning...I'm more of a declutterer, and I've got the kids
trained *very* well not to leave anything lying around or it's mine <g>.
The kids do most of the regular work now (dishes, setting and clearing,
sweeping, and so on), and if I'm not in the mood to cook, I just throw
something together or order out. :-) So, I guess I'm not a very good
housewife.

Then, also, I've never been one much to sit on the floor and play with the
kids. That does bore the heck out of me. Mostly, I'd read the paper while
the kids would play alongside me, or I'd run an errand with a kid(s) in tow.
I just have never stressed out about what I should be doing when I'm at
home, I just enjoy being there...and I could care less if the house isn't in
perfect shape. When the kids were napping, that was my time. When the kids
are at school, that's my time. When they're home, well, then I go online.
ROFL! All right, some of that is their time. ;-)

One of my favorites, even though I'm an atheist:

If God should ask on Judgment Day
Did you clean the house today?
I shall say, I did not--
I played with my children, and forgot.

Jennifer

"Stephanie Stowe" <stowe@whackthisvsac.org> wrote in message
news:_YadnRxQh9m0Mg_dRVn-sQ@telcove.net...
For myself, and I am only home 2 days per week, the things I am supposed
to be doing are boring. Dishes, laundry, sweeping. I cannot quite justify reading and whatnot when the house is a sty. When the kids are napping,
that is my job. I would bet that I would have an earier time if I were more organized and the housework was not always burying me. But for me it is
like 3 hours out of the day. The rest is reading (Clifford, but whatever), playing outside. Good stuff.

I actually don't do much housework during the day. I do the laundry late at
night (I'm a night owl), and we have a cleaning service come in to do the
nitty-gritty cleaning...I'm more of a declutterer, and I've got the kids
trained *very* well not to leave anything lying around or it's mine <g>.
The kids do most of the regular work now (dishes, setting and clearing,
sweeping, and so on), and if I'm not in the mood to cook, I just throw
something together or order out. :-) So, I guess I'm not a very good
housewife.

Then, also, I've never been one much to sit on the floor and play with the
kids. That does bore the heck out of me. Mostly, I'd read the paper while
the kids would play alongside me, or I'd run an errand with a kid(s) in tow.
I just have never stressed out about what I should be doing when I'm at
home, I just enjoy being there...and I could care less if the house isn't in
perfect shape. When the kids were napping, that was my time. When the kids
are at school, that's my time. When they're home, well, then I go online.
ROFL! All right, some of that is their time. ;-)

One of my favorites, even though I'm an atheist:

If God should ask on Judgment Day
Did you clean the house today?
I shall say, I did not--
I played with my children, and forgot.

Jennifer

"Jennifer" <JenPam2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Vo2dne5amseFvw_dRVn-sw@comcast.com "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:8pi3901i4o3oc84q7undk4apbcdqma46ko@4ax.com... On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:07:14 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote: In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work" outside the home. It's only normal and natural that she doesn't want to. Just think how much nicer your home will be if you have a wife who spends time doing what a wife is supposed to do. Good lord. Staying at home and being a housewife is just about the most boring thing I've ever done. Oh, wow, I think it's fabulous! I read a bunch of newspapers front to back, I read lots of books, I visit with friends, I make delicious meals, I organize the household, I listen to music, I run errands, and sometimes I just sleep <g>.

And then there's usenet. :)

Seriously, though, I can never understand being bored. How can anyone ever get bored when the world is full of so many glorious things to read, hear, see and experience?

I can't remember the last time I was bored. It most likely was while waiting
in a queue in an airport although with kids I'd be more likely to be living
my idea of hell than actually bored.

There's nothing all that fascinating about housework - it's a bit like pain,
nice when it stops - but I'd (we'd) still have to do it or pay someone else
to if I was working. It's just the stuff I have to get out of the way so
that I can enjoy doing all the other things I do like to do.

Tai

"Jennifer" <JenPam2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Vo2dne5amseFvw_dRVn-sw@comcast.com "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:8pi3901i4o3oc84q7undk4apbcdqma46ko@4ax.com... On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:07:14 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote: In the grand scheme of things, women were never intended to "work" outside the home. It's only normal and natural that she doesn't want to. Just think how much nicer your home will be if you have a wife who spends time doing what a wife is supposed to do. Good lord. Staying at home and being a housewife is just about the most boring thing I've ever done. Oh, wow, I think it's fabulous! I read a bunch of newspapers front to back, I read lots of books, I visit with friends, I make delicious meals, I organize the household, I listen to music, I run errands, and sometimes I just sleep <g>.

And then there's usenet. :)

Seriously, though, I can never understand being bored. How can anyone ever get bored when the world is full of so many glorious things to read, hear, see and experience?

I can't remember the last time I was bored. It most likely was while waiting
in a queue in an airport although with kids I'd be more likely to be living
my idea of hell than actually bored.

There's nothing all that fascinating about housework - it's a bit like pain,
nice when it stops - but I'd (we'd) still have to do it or pay someone else
to if I was working. It's just the stuff I have to get out of the way so
that I can enjoy doing all the other things I do like to do.

Tai

"Jennifer" <JenPam2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:-uednUUg-ONC3g7dRVn-vA@comcast.com "shinypenny" <shinypenny0001@yahoo.com> wrote in message But after a few months in America, she was despondant because there were very few wives at home that she could connect with. It took her awhile to gain her footing, and by the time she moved back home after 5 years, she had built up her own network of SAHM's and would routinely have them over or go shopping, etc. That's it, exactly, for me! The first while after I was home (I did work while my oldest was little), when my twins were babies, it was SO hard. Part of it was boredom, a lot of it was not having any sort of routine (which I thrive on), but most of it was feeling isolated. Now that it's been ten years, I have a vast network of friends I can call up any time of the day and just say, hey, want to go grab a meal together? Want to hang out with the kids together? Do you want to go with us this afternoon to the park? I LOVE spending time with people, and being at home enables me to do that more than if I were at work. So I would miss that desperately were I to go to a job. At first, though, staying home can be hard to wrap your mind around. It's very different from what you were doing before, and it's never exactly what you imagine it will be!

Staying at home was never a problem for me but having the care of an infant
24/7 and never knowing when I would have 15 minutes to myself was a hard
adjustment to make. But I got over that with the first child and never
looked back.

Tai

"Jennifer" <JenPam2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:-uednUUg-ONC3g7dRVn-vA@comcast.com "shinypenny" <shinypenny0001@yahoo.com> wrote in message But after a few months in America, she was despondant because there were very few wives at home that she could connect with. It took her awhile to gain her footing, and by the time she moved back home after 5 years, she had built up her own network of SAHM's and would routinely have them over or go shopping, etc. That's it, exactly, for me! The first while after I was home (I did work while my oldest was little), when my twins were babies, it was SO hard. Part of it was boredom, a lot of it was not having any sort of routine (which I thrive on), but most of it was feeling isolated. Now that it's been ten years, I have a vast network of friends I can call up any time of the day and just say, hey, want to go grab a meal together? Want to hang out with the kids together? Do you want to go with us this afternoon to the park? I LOVE spending time with people, and being at home enables me to do that more than if I were at work. So I would miss that desperately were I to go to a job. At first, though, staying home can be hard to wrap your mind around. It's very different from what you were doing before, and it's never exactly what you imagine it will be!

Staying at home was never a problem for me but having the care of an infant
24/7 and never knowing when I would have 15 minutes to myself was a hard
adjustment to make. But I got over that with the first child and never
looked back.

Tai

"Tai" <tainuiti@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c6vho6$fkfbm$1@ID-123442.news.uni-berlin.de... "Jennifer" <JenPam2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:-uednUUg-ONC3g7dRVn-vA@comcast.com "shinypenny" <shinypenny0001@yahoo.com> wrote in message But after a few months in America, she was despondant because there were very few wives at home that she could connect with. It took her awhile to gain her footing, and by the time she moved back home after 5 years, she had built up her own network of SAHM's and would routinely have them over or go shopping, etc. That's it, exactly, for me! The first while after I was home (I did work while my oldest was little), when my twins were babies, it was SO hard. Part of it was boredom, a lot of it was not having any sort of routine (which I thrive on), but most of it was feeling isolated. Now that it's been ten years, I have a vast network of friends I can call up any time of the day and just say, hey, want to go grab a meal together? Want to hang out with the kids together? Do you want to go with us this afternoon to the park? I LOVE spending time with people, and being at home enables me to do that more than if I were at work. So I would miss that desperately were I to go to a job. At first, though, staying home can be hard to wrap your mind around. It's very different from what you were doing before, and it's never exactly what you imagine it will be! Staying at home was never a problem for me but having the care of an
infant 24/7 and never knowing when I would have 15 minutes to myself was a hard adjustment to make. But I got over that with the first child and never looked back.

I relived that with each child. Damn, I hated playing cars with my
pre-school boys. Just as well I have no girls - I probably would have hated
playing dolls even more! I'm so glad I stuck it out though. Now all my kids
are in school and I have those six hours, 5 days a week to entertain
meeeeeeeee. Yay! Now I actually enjoy doing the weekly shop, helping out at
school, thinking of the never ending "what will we have for tea tonight",
and heaven forbid, even tidying the house. On top of that I can fit in the
things that I have never had time for before like crafts or landscaping or
fiddling about on the 'puter.

Amy

"Tai" <tainuiti@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c6vho6$fkfbm$1@ID-123442.news.uni-berlin.de... "Jennifer" <JenPam2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:-uednUUg-ONC3g7dRVn-vA@comcast.com "shinypenny" <shinypenny0001@yahoo.com> wrote in message But after a few months in America, she was despondant because there were very few wives at home that she could connect with. It took her awhile to gain her footing, and by the time she moved back home after 5 years, she had built up her own network of SAHM's and would routinely have them over or go shopping, etc. That's it, exactly, for me! The first while after I was home (I did work while my oldest was little), when my twins were babies, it was SO hard. Part of it was boredom, a lot of it was not having any sort of routine (which I thrive on), but most of it was feeling isolated. Now that it's been ten years, I have a vast network of friends I can call up any time of the day and just say, hey, want to go grab a meal together? Want to hang out with the kids together? Do you want to go with us this afternoon to the park? I LOVE spending time with people, and being at home enables me to do that more than if I were at work. So I would miss that desperately were I to go to a job. At first, though, staying home can be hard to wrap your mind around. It's very different from what you were doing before, and it's never exactly what you imagine it will be! Staying at home was never a problem for me but having the care of an
infant 24/7 and never knowing when I would have 15 minutes to myself was a hard adjustment to make. But I got over that with the first child and never looked back.

I relived that with each child. Damn, I hated playing cars with my
pre-school boys. Just as well I have no girls - I probably would have hated
playing dolls even more! I'm so glad I stuck it out though. Now all my kids
are in school and I have those six hours, 5 days a week to entertain
meeeeeeeee. Yay! Now I actually enjoy doing the weekly shop, helping out at
school, thinking of the never ending "what will we have for tea tonight",
and heaven forbid, even tidying the house. On top of that I can fit in the
things that I have never had time for before like crafts or landscaping or
fiddling about on the 'puter.

Amy

"Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com>
Jesus Christ, there are so many things to do that it would take fifteen lifetimes to do them. That is if you can tear yourself away from the TV long enough.

I take it you don't live to work, you work to live. If you hate it that much
why not rethink your lifestyle? What can you change about it so that you
don't need to work or at least so you can cut down and spend more time at
home doing the things you'd rather be doing?

Amy

"Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com>
Jesus Christ, there are so many things to do that it would take fifteen lifetimes to do them. That is if you can tear yourself away from the TV long enough.

I take it you don't live to work, you work to live. If you hate it that much
why not rethink your lifestyle? What can you change about it so that you
don't need to work or at least so you can cut down and spend more time at
home doing the things you'd rather be doing?

Amy

"JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot
com> wrote in message news:kWFkc.75905$WA4.25843@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:sm9690pcmtjd5j47re7l2sueneuhqlcd8g@4ax.com... On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:44:34 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:What I like to do is a job that requires minimal contact with the
outsideworld and has limited stress factors. Believe it or not, if I could
sit ata computer terminal all by myself for 10 hours a day and enter data,
(andmake a decent living at it), I would be happiest person alive. This helps me to understand why you don't find housework/homemaking to be boring. If I liked to be alone all the time with minimal contact, doing routine tasks, then I guess I'd like to be a homemaker as well. I tried it for a few years and it just wasn't my cup of tea. I like to be out in the world interacting with interesting, intelligent people and solving tricky problems. I like solving tricky problems, but I have found in most work settings the majority of people are neither intelligent nor interesting.

Perhaps you are in fact criticising the very people who share your field of
work? I have worked with programmers and found them to be a pretty boring
bunch too. No offence.

Amy

"JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot
com> wrote in message news:kWFkc.75905$WA4.25843@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:sm9690pcmtjd5j47re7l2sueneuhqlcd8g@4ax.com... On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:44:34 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote:What I like to do is a job that requires minimal contact with the
outsideworld and has limited stress factors. Believe it or not, if I could
sit ata computer terminal all by myself for 10 hours a day and enter data,
(andmake a decent living at it), I would be happiest person alive. This helps me to understand why you don't find housework/homemaking to be boring. If I liked to be alone all the time with minimal contact, doing routine tasks, then I guess I'd like to be a homemaker as well. I tried it for a few years and it just wasn't my cup of tea. I like to be out in the world interacting with interesting, intelligent people and solving tricky problems. I like solving tricky problems, but I have found in most work settings the majority of people are neither intelligent nor interesting.

Perhaps you are in fact criticising the very people who share your field of
work? I have worked with programmers and found them to be a pretty boring
bunch too. No offence.

Amy

On Sat, 01 May 2004 04:44:00 GMT, "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com
actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote:

I like solving tricky problems, but I have found in most work settings themajority of people are neither intelligent nor interesting.

I guess I'm lucky then. For the most part, I have always liked my
co-workers and there is always at least one or two interesting and
intelligent people among them. I've worked for the same company for
15 years (in different capacities) and, for the most part, have been
happy with that.

Some folks are best working for themselves(sounds like you're that
way) and others are best working for others. I'm one of the folks who
are better off working for others; when it's time to head out for the
day, I can leave my concerns and thoughts about work behind, never to
be seen again until Monday. (Unless a solution to a problem occurs to
me over the weekend, in which case I jump on the computer, log into
work, and code it).

Lauri in WA

I like my email spamless

On Sat, 01 May 2004 04:44:00 GMT, "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com
actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote:

I like solving tricky problems, but I have found in most work settings themajority of people are neither intelligent nor interesting.

I guess I'm lucky then. For the most part, I have always liked my
co-workers and there is always at least one or two interesting and
intelligent people among them. I've worked for the same company for
15 years (in different capacities) and, for the most part, have been
happy with that.

Some folks are best working for themselves(sounds like you're that
way) and others are best working for others. I'm one of the folks who
are better off working for others; when it's time to head out for the
day, I can leave my concerns and thoughts about work behind, never to
be seen again until Monday. (Unless a solution to a problem occurs to
me over the weekend, in which case I jump on the computer, log into
work, and code it).

Lauri in WA

I like my email spamless

"Amy Lou" <amylouisa@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:ihNkc.7043$TT.182@news-server.bigpond.net.au... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:kWFkc.75905$WA4.25843@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:sm9690pcmtjd5j47re7l2sueneuhqlcd8g@4ax.com... On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:44:34 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote: >What I like to do is a job that requires minimal contact with the outside >world and has limited stress factors. Believe it or not, if I could sit at >a computer terminal all by myself for 10 hours a day and enter data, (and >make a decent living at it), I would be happiest person alive. This helps me to understand why you don't find housework/homemaking to be boring. If I liked to be alone all the time with minimal contact, doing routine tasks, then I guess I'd like to be a homemaker as well. I tried it for a few years and it just wasn't my cup of tea. I like to be out in the world interacting with interesting, intelligent people and solving tricky problems. I like solving tricky problems, but I have found in most work settings
the majority of people are neither intelligent nor interesting. Perhaps you are in fact criticising the very people who share your field
of work? I have worked with programmers and found them to be a pretty boring bunch too. No offence.

Most places I worked, I was one of the few 'computer guys". I've never
worked with another programmer. I've worked with marketing people, customer
service people, administrative people... I just find people overall boring
and uninteresting. Not to bring up CF stuff (but I guess I am) I do think
it's partly the kids thing - I'm in the minority and kinda on the outside,
because I find at work most people's conversations drift to their kids
(especially women).

Two topics I have no interest in discussing - kids, and what was on TV last
night. That omits me from most corporate conversation.

"Amy Lou" <amylouisa@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:ihNkc.7043$TT.182@news-server.bigpond.net.au... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:kWFkc.75905$WA4.25843@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:sm9690pcmtjd5j47re7l2sueneuhqlcd8g@4ax.com... On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:44:34 -0500, "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote: >What I like to do is a job that requires minimal contact with the outside >world and has limited stress factors. Believe it or not, if I could sit at >a computer terminal all by myself for 10 hours a day and enter data, (and >make a decent living at it), I would be happiest person alive. This helps me to understand why you don't find housework/homemaking to be boring. If I liked to be alone all the time with minimal contact, doing routine tasks, then I guess I'd like to be a homemaker as well. I tried it for a few years and it just wasn't my cup of tea. I like to be out in the world interacting with interesting, intelligent people and solving tricky problems. I like solving tricky problems, but I have found in most work settings
the majority of people are neither intelligent nor interesting. Perhaps you are in fact criticising the very people who share your field
of work? I have worked with programmers and found them to be a pretty boring bunch too. No offence.

Most places I worked, I was one of the few 'computer guys". I've never
worked with another programmer. I've worked with marketing people, customer
service people, administrative people... I just find people overall boring
and uninteresting. Not to bring up CF stuff (but I guess I am) I do think
it's partly the kids thing - I'm in the minority and kinda on the outside,
because I find at work most people's conversations drift to their kids
(especially women).

Two topics I have no interest in discussing - kids, and what was on TV last
night. That omits me from most corporate conversation.

"Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message
news:25d790lta596t9jrdq792vlqucqvht0coq@4ax.com... On Sat, 01 May 2004 04:44:00 GMT, "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote:I like solving tricky problems, but I have found in most work settings
themajority of people are neither intelligent nor interesting. I guess I'm lucky then. For the most part, I have always liked my co-workers and there is always at least one or two interesting and intelligent people among them. I've worked for the same company for 15 years (in different capacities) and, for the most part, have been happy with that. Some folks are best working for themselves(sounds like you're that way) and others are best working for others. I'm one of the folks who are better off working for others; when it's time to head out for the day, I can leave my concerns and thoughts about work behind, never to be seen again until Monday. (Unless a solution to a problem occurs to me over the weekend, in which case I jump on the computer, log into work, and code it).

I agree - sometimes I wish I had the simplicity of merely working a "job"
(and may again if business goes south, which it always could).

"Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message
news:25d790lta596t9jrdq792vlqucqvht0coq@4ax.com... On Sat, 01 May 2004 04:44:00 GMT, "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote:I like solving tricky problems, but I have found in most work settings
themajority of people are neither intelligent nor interesting. I guess I'm lucky then. For the most part, I have always liked my co-workers and there is always at least one or two interesting and intelligent people among them. I've worked for the same company for 15 years (in different capacities) and, for the most part, have been happy with that. Some folks are best working for themselves(sounds like you're that way) and others are best working for others. I'm one of the folks who are better off working for others; when it's time to head out for the day, I can leave my concerns and thoughts about work behind, never to be seen again until Monday. (Unless a solution to a problem occurs to me over the weekend, in which case I jump on the computer, log into work, and code it).

I agree - sometimes I wish I had the simplicity of merely working a "job"
(and may again if business goes south, which it always could).

>I relived that with each child. Damn, I hated playing cars with mypre-school boys.

LOLOL! Me too! Fortunately, my son, even at 4, was easily distracted by
"Let's read a book!", so I was able to limit my Matchbox car sessions to 5
minutes each time. His best friend between the ages of 2 and five, though,
ONLY loved playing with cars. He must have had several hundred and he would
spend hours lining them all around the house, and wanting her to do it too. If
I'd have been his mother, I'd have gone mad.

Sheila

>I relived that with each child. Damn, I hated playing cars with mypre-school boys.

LOLOL! Me too! Fortunately, my son, even at 4, was easily distracted by
"Let's read a book!", so I was able to limit my Matchbox car sessions to 5
minutes each time. His best friend between the ages of 2 and five, though,
ONLY loved playing with cars. He must have had several hundred and he would
spend hours lining them all around the house, and wanting her to do it too. If
I'd have been his mother, I'd have gone mad.

Sheila

"JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot
com> wrote in message news:INEkc.75745$WA4.60245@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message news:RaEkc.5756$gz6.5134@fe21... Well, mostly computer-related things like administrative assistant,
office manager, accounts payable and receivable, that sort of thing. I do have some specialities such as experience in marketing, data entry, collections; and I have about 5 years experience as a legal secretary. In addition,
I have done some medical billing and worked with unix based relational databases (Oracle, Matrix). Believe me JWB, I have looked and looked and looked for something to do from home and so far, I haven't had much luck aside from a stint as an "adult actress" and "psychic reader" both of which, were NOT my cup of
tea-leaves so to speak. What I like to do is a job that requires minimal contact with the
outside world and has limited stress factors. Believe it or not, if I could sit at a computer terminal all by myself for 10 hours a day and enter data,
(and make a decent living at it), I would be happiest person alive. Unfortunately, jobs like this seem to be few and far between and seem to attract the dregs of the earth as co-workers, not to mention you're
lucky if you make more than $6 per hour to do it. Doomed, I say doomed. The reason is you're looking for a "job" doing that - you won't find one. What you have to do is start your own biz (Auntie Em's corporate
collections / data entry / legal secratary service or whatnot). Then, you set up a website (not hard - or you pay a high school kid 100 bucks to make you
one - all you need is a simple 3-5 page site describing what you do). After your website is set up, you go to google and look at keyword advertising -
plus, you e-mail human resources people all over the country. Make it a job to d
o ten a day. Of course, you market your service locally - door to door if needs be. Take corporate collections, for example: Almost every company has a person or three doing collections. People they are paying benefits to and supplying with a computer / light / heat etc
etc. I've never once seen these people (or most corporate drones) *earn* their money - they mill about doing a small amount of work and gab to their friends all day about their husbands and kids. I say, market yourself in a way that explains to companies that they can save that money, and get higher quality work. Tap into the outsourcing mentality that's all the
rage today. I'll put it to you this way - the job I do now is *exactly* the same job I did for my former employer, except my clients do not provide me with a
desk or benefits - they pay *only* for the work I do (and I charge a premium) Will you be busy enough to match a "job" income? No, probably not right away. Will you be in a year if you *honestly* give your best effort? More than likely. I admit you have to have some financial flexibility to do this right. I
did mine while collecting 6 months of unemployment - I'm sure you could force
a firing if you chose to ;) Does your husband work? Are you living week to week (this would make it tough)? The tax advantages to owning your own business are HUGE. The first year or two, you will keep almost all the
money you earn (home office, computers, your internet connection, part of your phone bill - all deductible from you and your spouses combined income). If you truly want to, and have at least some skill, owning your own
business and working from home is very do-able. JWB

I appreciate the input JWB, and I admire your enthusiasm! Wow, if I had
your kind of get-up-and-go I wouldn't have a problem being as successful as
you are.

The truth of it is that I simply do no have the desire to go through that
much trouble. Oh, I don't have a problem with the website part (I am a
pretty fair web designer, if I do say so myself), and the keywords on Google
wouldn't be a problem, even contacting HR departments.

But the face to face stuff is not an option. Still, you offer a lot of good
thought-provoking information that hadn't really occurred to me previously.

The only problem I have with running my own business is dealing with the
"issues" associated with it. Keeping "difficult" customers happy (and we
all know there will be those customers who will NEVER be happy with anything
you say or do). There is the issue of maintaining records, like for tax
purposes.

I've had many years of dealing with other people and tons of 'tricky
problems" and I would be more than happy never to have to deal with either
again.

But I will look into the website/google thing. That was a fantastic
suggestion and one that had not occurred to me. Thank you.

Em

"JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot
com> wrote in message news:INEkc.75745$WA4.60245@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Auntie Em" <Auntie Em@thisisfake.com> wrote in message news:RaEkc.5756$gz6.5134@fe21... Well, mostly computer-related things like administrative assistant,
office manager, accounts payable and receivable, that sort of thing. I do have some specialities such as experience in marketing, data entry, collections; and I have about 5 years experience as a legal secretary. In addition,
I have done some medical billing and worked with unix based relational databases (Oracle, Matrix). Believe me JWB, I have looked and looked and looked for something to do from home and so far, I haven't had much luck aside from a stint as an "adult actress" and "psychic reader" both of which, were NOT my cup of
tea-leaves so to speak. What I like to do is a job that requires minimal contact with the
outside world and has limited stress factors. Believe it or not, if I could sit at a computer terminal all by myself for 10 hours a day and enter data,
(and make a decent living at it), I would be happiest person alive. Unfortunately, jobs like this seem to be few and far between and seem to attract the dregs of the earth as co-workers, not to mention you're
lucky if you make more than $6 per hour to do it. Doomed, I say doomed. The reason is you're looking for a "job" doing that - you won't find one. What you have to do is start your own biz (Auntie Em's corporate
collections / data entry / legal secratary service or whatnot). Then, you set up a website (not hard - or you pay a high school kid 100 bucks to make you
one - all you need is a simple 3-5 page site describing what you do). After your website is set up, you go to google and look at keyword advertising -
plus, you e-mail human resources people all over the country. Make it a job to d
o ten a day. Of course, you market your service locally - door to door if needs be. Take corporate collections, for example: Almost every company has a person or three doing collections. People they are paying benefits to and supplying with a computer / light / heat etc
etc. I've never once seen these people (or most corporate drones) *earn* their money - they mill about doing a small amount of work and gab to their friends all day about their husbands and kids. I say, market yourself in a way that explains to companies that they can save that money, and get higher quality work. Tap into the outsourcing mentality that's all the
rage today. I'll put it to you this way - the job I do now is *exactly* the same job I did for my former employer, except my clients do not provide me with a
desk or benefits - they pay *only* for the work I do (and I charge a premium) Will you be busy enough to match a "job" income? No, probably not right away. Will you be in a year if you *honestly* give your best effort? More than likely. I admit you have to have some financial flexibility to do this right. I
did mine while collecting 6 months of unemployment - I'm sure you could force
a firing if you chose to ;) Does your husband work? Are you living week to week (this would make it tough)? The tax advantages to owning your own business are HUGE. The first year or two, you will keep almost all the
money you earn (home office, computers, your internet connection, part of your phone bill - all deductible from you and your spouses combined income). If you truly want to, and have at least some skill, owning your own
business and working from home is very do-able. JWB

I appreciate the input JWB, and I admire your enthusiasm! Wow, if I had
your kind of get-up-and-go I wouldn't have a problem being as successful as
you are.

The truth of it is that I simply do no have the desire to go through that
much trouble. Oh, I don't have a problem with the website part (I am a
pretty fair web designer, if I do say so myself), and the keywords on Google
wouldn't be a problem, even contacting HR departments.

But the face to face stuff is not an option. Still, you offer a lot of good
thought-provoking information that hadn't really occurred to me previously.

The only problem I have with running my own business is dealing with the
"issues" associated with it. Keeping "difficult" customers happy (and we
all know there will be those customers who will NEVER be happy with anything
you say or do). There is the issue of maintaining records, like for tax
purposes.

I've had many years of dealing with other people and tons of 'tricky
problems" and I would be more than happy never to have to deal with either
again.

But I will look into the website/google thing. That was a fantastic
suggestion and one that had not occurred to me. Thank you.

Em

"JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot
com> wrote in message news:CJOkc.32467$mX.11711138@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Amy Lou" <amylouisa@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:ihNkc.7043$TT.182@news-server.bigpond.net.au... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:kWFkc.75905$WA4.25843@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:sm9690pcmtjd5j47re7l2sueneuhqlcd8g@4ax.com... > This helps me to understand why [Auntie Em] don't find > housework/homemaking to > be boring. If I liked to be alone all the time with minimal
contact, > doing routine tasks, then I guess I'd like to be a homemaker as
well. > I tried it for a few years and it just wasn't my cup of tea. I like > to be out in the world interacting with interesting, intelligent > people and solving tricky problems. I like solving tricky problems, but I have found in most work settings the majority of people are neither intelligent nor interesting. Perhaps you are in fact criticising the very people who share your field
of work? I have worked with programmers and found them to be a pretty
boring bunch too. No offence. Most places I worked, I was one of the few 'computer guys". I've never worked with another programmer. I've worked with marketing people,
customer service people, administrative people... I just find people overall boring and uninteresting. Not to bring up CF stuff (but I guess I am) I do think it's partly the kids thing - I'm in the minority and kinda on the outside, because I find at work most people's conversations drift to their kids (especially women). Two topics I have no interest in discussing - kids, and what was on TV
last night. That omits me from most corporate conversation.
I stayed with one programming team for the last 10 years at my last job.
We provided an environment for other programmers to develop within.
I enjoyed having technically articulate customers.

Also, there were several thoughtul people in the group.
We would discuss politics (national and company) and religion.
These discussions were respectful and pretty peaceful.
Even with those with views far from mine, we could agree to diagree.
It was/is a great team.
--
Tsam

"JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot
com> wrote in message news:CJOkc.32467$mX.11711138@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Amy Lou" <amylouisa@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:ihNkc.7043$TT.182@news-server.bigpond.net.au... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:kWFkc.75905$WA4.25843@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message news:sm9690pcmtjd5j47re7l2sueneuhqlcd8g@4ax.com... > This helps me to understand why [Auntie Em] don't find > housework/homemaking to > be boring. If I liked to be alone all the time with minimal
contact, > doing routine tasks, then I guess I'd like to be a homemaker as
well. > I tried it for a few years and it just wasn't my cup of tea. I like > to be out in the world interacting with interesting, intelligent > people and solving tricky problems. I like solving tricky problems, but I have found in most work settings the majority of people are neither intelligent nor interesting. Perhaps you are in fact criticising the very people who share your field
of work? I have worked with programmers and found them to be a pretty
boring bunch too. No offence. Most places I worked, I was one of the few 'computer guys". I've never worked with another programmer. I've worked with marketing people,
customer service people, administrative people... I just find people overall boring and uninteresting. Not to bring up CF stuff (but I guess I am) I do think it's partly the kids thing - I'm in the minority and kinda on the outside, because I find at work most people's conversations drift to their kids (especially women). Two topics I have no interest in discussing - kids, and what was on TV
last night. That omits me from most corporate conversation.
I stayed with one programming team for the last 10 years at my last job.
We provided an environment for other programmers to develop within.
I enjoyed having technically articulate customers.

Also, there were several thoughtul people in the group.
We would discuss politics (national and company) and religion.
These discussions were respectful and pretty peaceful.
Even with those with views far from mine, we could agree to diagree.
It was/is a great team.
--
Tsam

Tsam Nami wrote: "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:CJOkc.32467$mX.11711138@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Amy Lou" <amylouisa@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:ihNkc.7043$TT.182@news-server.bigpond.net.au... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:kWFkc.75905$WA4.25843@twister.nyc.rr.com...> "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message> news:sm9690pcmtjd5j47re7l2sueneuhqlcd8g@4ax.com...>> This helps me to understand why [Auntie Em] don't find>> housework/homemaking to>> be boring. If I liked to be alone all the time with minimal contact,>> doing routine tasks, then I guess I'd like to be a homemaker as well.>> I tried it for a few years and it just wasn't my cup of tea. I like>> to be out in the world interacting with interesting, intelligent>> people and solving tricky problems.>> I like solving tricky problems, but I have found in most work settings> the majority of people are neither intelligent nor interesting. Perhaps you are in fact criticising the very people who share your field of work? I have worked with programmers and found them to be a pretty boring bunch too. No offence. Most places I worked, I was one of the few 'computer guys". I've never worked with another programmer. I've worked with marketing people, customer service people, administrative people... I just find people overall boring and uninteresting. Not to bring up CF stuff (but I guess I am) I do think it's partly the kids thing - I'm in the minority and kinda on the outside, because I find at work most people's conversations drift to their kids (especially women). Two topics I have no interest in discussing - kids, and what was on TV last night. That omits me from most corporate conversation. I stayed with one programming team for the last 10 years at my last job. We provided an environment for other programmers to develop within. I enjoyed having technically articulate customers. Also, there were several thoughtul people in the group. We would discuss politics (national and company) and religion. These discussions were respectful and pretty peaceful. Even with those with views far from mine, we could agree to diagree. It was/is a great team. -- Tsam

Yup, you just have to be in the right work environment, and they are certainly
out there (the thoughtful intelligent people).

Tsam Nami wrote: "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:CJOkc.32467$mX.11711138@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Amy Lou" <amylouisa@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:ihNkc.7043$TT.182@news-server.bigpond.net.au... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:kWFkc.75905$WA4.25843@twister.nyc.rr.com...> "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message> news:sm9690pcmtjd5j47re7l2sueneuhqlcd8g@4ax.com...>> This helps me to understand why [Auntie Em] don't find>> housework/homemaking to>> be boring. If I liked to be alone all the time with minimal contact,>> doing routine tasks, then I guess I'd like to be a homemaker as well.>> I tried it for a few years and it just wasn't my cup of tea. I like>> to be out in the world interacting with interesting, intelligent>> people and solving tricky problems.>> I like solving tricky problems, but I have found in most work settings> the majority of people are neither intelligent nor interesting. Perhaps you are in fact criticising the very people who share your field of work? I have worked with programmers and found them to be a pretty boring bunch too. No offence. Most places I worked, I was one of the few 'computer guys". I've never worked with another programmer. I've worked with marketing people, customer service people, administrative people... I just find people overall boring and uninteresting. Not to bring up CF stuff (but I guess I am) I do think it's partly the kids thing - I'm in the minority and kinda on the outside, because I find at work most people's conversations drift to their kids (especially women). Two topics I have no interest in discussing - kids, and what was on TV last night. That omits me from most corporate conversation. I stayed with one programming team for the last 10 years at my last job. We provided an environment for other programmers to develop within. I enjoyed having technically articulate customers. Also, there were several thoughtul people in the group. We would discuss politics (national and company) and religion. These discussions were respectful and pretty peaceful. Even with those with views far from mine, we could agree to diagree. It was/is a great team. -- Tsam

Yup, you just have to be in the right work environment, and they are certainly
out there (the thoughtful intelligent people).

"Tsam Nami" <tsam-nami@tidal.wav> wrote in message
news:Is9lc.3123$V97.372@newsread1.news.pas.earthli nk.net... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:CJOkc.32467$mX.11711138@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Amy Lou" <amylouisa@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:ihNkc.7043$TT.182@news-server.bigpond.net.au... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite
dot com> wrote in message news:kWFkc.75905$WA4.25843@twister.nyc.rr.com... > "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message > news:sm9690pcmtjd5j47re7l2sueneuhqlcd8g@4ax.com... > > This helps me to understand why [Auntie Em] don't find > > housework/homemaking to > > be boring. If I liked to be alone all the time with minimal contact, > > doing routine tasks, then I guess I'd like to be a homemaker as well. > > I tried it for a few years and it just wasn't my cup of tea. I
like > > to be out in the world interacting with interesting, intelligent > > people and solving tricky problems. > > I like solving tricky problems, but I have found in most work
settings > the majority of people are neither intelligent nor interesting. Perhaps you are in fact criticising the very people who share your
field of work? I have worked with programmers and found them to be a pretty boring bunch too. No offence. Most places I worked, I was one of the few 'computer guys". I've never worked with another programmer. I've worked with marketing people, customer service people, administrative people... I just find people overall
boring and uninteresting. Not to bring up CF stuff (but I guess I am) I do
think it's partly the kids thing - I'm in the minority and kinda on the
outside, because I find at work most people's conversations drift to their kids (especially women). Two topics I have no interest in discussing - kids, and what was on TV last night. That omits me from most corporate conversation. I stayed with one programming team for the last 10 years at my last job. We provided an environment for other programmers to develop within. I enjoyed having technically articulate customers. Also, there were several thoughtul people in the group. We would discuss politics (national and company) and religion. These discussions were respectful and pretty peaceful. Even with those with views far from mine, we could agree to diagree. It was/is a great team.

That's one reason I love what I do now - I largely work with people (via
e-mail and phone) who have been around computers since the 70's and 80's. In
other words, pretty smart people.

The best co-workers I ever had was the group I did tech support with. All
smart computer people, all without kids - we could chat about politics,
argue about which inventions changed the world the most, debate whether the
South would have won Gettysburg if Lee had Jackson instead of Ewell, etc
etc.

"Tsam Nami" <tsam-nami@tidal.wav> wrote in message
news:Is9lc.3123$V97.372@newsread1.news.pas.earthli nk.net... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> wrote in message news:CJOkc.32467$mX.11711138@twister.nyc.rr.com... "Amy Lou" <amylouisa@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:ihNkc.7043$TT.182@news-server.bigpond.net.au... "JWB" <tom12409x@servo3.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite
dot com> wrote in message news:kWFkc.75905$WA4.25843@twister.nyc.rr.com... > "Lauri" <res0rnlr@spamlessverizon.net> wrote in message > news:sm9690pcmtjd5j47re7l2sueneuhqlcd8g@4ax.com... > > This helps me to understand why [Auntie Em] don't find > > housework/homemaking to > > be boring. If I liked to be alone all the time with minimal contact, > > doing routine tasks, then I guess I'd like to be a homemaker as well. > > I tried it for a few years and it just wasn't my cup of tea. I
like > > to be out in the world interacting with interesting, intelligent > > people and solving tricky problems. > > I like solving tricky problems, but I have found in most work
settings > the majority of people are neither intelligent nor interesting. Perhaps you are in fact criticising the very people who share your
field of work? I have worked with programmers and found them to be a pretty boring bunch too. No offence. Most places I worked, I was one of the few 'computer guys". I've never worked with another programmer. I've worked with marketing people, customer service people, administrative people... I just find people overall
boring and uninteresting. Not to bring up CF stuff (but I guess I am) I do
think it's partly the kids thing - I'm in the minority and kinda on the
outside, because I find at work most people's conversations drift to their kids (especially women). Two topics I have no interest in discussing - kids, and what was on TV last night. That omits me from most corporate conversation. I stayed with one programming team for the last 10 years at my last job. We provided an environment for other programmers to develop within. I enjoyed having technically articulate customers. Also, there were several thoughtul people in the group. We would discuss politics (national and company) and religion. These discussions were respectful and pretty peaceful. Even with those with views far from mine, we could agree to diagree. It was/is a great team.

That's one reason I love what I do now - I largely work with people (via
e-mail and phone) who have been around computers since the 70's and 80's. In
other words, pretty smart people.

The best co-workers I ever had was the group I did tech support with. All
smart computer people, all without kids - we could chat about politics,
argue about which inventions changed the world the most, debate whether the
South would have won Gettysburg if Lee had Jackson instead of Ewell, etc
etc.

"Amy Lou" <amylouisa@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:XUMkc.6977$TT.6616@news-server.bigpond.net.au "Tai" <tainuiti@yahoo.com> wrote in message Staying at home was never a problem for me but having the care of an infant 24/7 and never knowing when I would have 15 minutes to myself was a hard adjustment to make. But I got over that with the first child and never looked back. I relived that with each child. Damn, I hated playing cars with my pre-school boys.

My youngest doesn't like me to play cars with him, he likes to set them up
all around me and make long 'trains' of them from one end of the room to the
other. I'm only required to admire his efforts and discuss the relative
merits of trucks and cars and earthmoving vehicles. And set up the odd
bridge, of course.

It's playdoughing that drives me batty - he'd spend hours every day at it if
I'd be prepared to sit with him for that long because he likes me to model
little scenes and act them out with him. I'd be happy enough if it was a
fortnightly 'delight' but he can't get enough of it!

Just as well I have no girls - I probably would have hated playing dolls even more! I'm so glad I stuck it out though. Now all my kids are in school and I have those six hours, 5 days a week to entertain meeeeeeeee. Yay!

I can't believe how fast the time is passing this time around. Unless we
hold him back (he's a late January bub) he'll be at school in no time.
Now I actually enjoy doing the weekly shop, helping out at school, thinking of the never ending "what will we have for tea tonight", and heaven forbid, even tidying the house. On top of that I can fit in the things that I have never had time for before like crafts or landscaping or fiddling about on the 'puter.

Hee. I remember what that was like when my older two had started school.
I've been working on a quilt since last August and am now to the stage where
it's all together and I've quilted about 10% of it but I'm aching to get it
finished so I can start something else!

Tai

"Amy Lou" <amylouisa@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:XUMkc.6977$TT.6616@news-server.bigpond.net.au "Tai" <tainuiti@yahoo.com> wrote in message Staying at home was never a problem for me but having the care of an infant 24/7 and never knowing when I would have 15 minutes to myself was a hard adjustment to make. But I got over that with the first child and never looked back. I relived that with each child. Damn, I hated playing cars with my pre-school boys.

My youngest doesn't like me to play cars with him, he likes to set them up
all around me and make long 'trains' of them from one end of the room to the
other. I'm only required to admire his efforts and discuss the relative
merits of trucks and cars and earthmoving vehicles. And set up the odd
bridge, of course.

It's playdoughing that drives me batty - he'd spend hours every day at it if
I'd be prepared to sit with him for that long because he likes me to model
little scenes and act them out with him. I'd be happy enough if it was a
fortnightly 'delight' but he can't get enough of it!

Just as well I have no girls - I probably would have hated playing dolls even more! I'm so glad I stuck it out though. Now all my kids are in school and I have those six hours, 5 days a week to entertain meeeeeeeee. Yay!

I can't believe how fast the time is passing this time around. Unless we
hold him back (he's a late January bub) he'll be at school in no time.
Now I actually enjoy doing the weekly shop, helping out at school, thinking of the never ending "what will we have for tea tonight", and heaven forbid, even tidying the house. On top of that I can fit in the things that I have never had time for before like crafts or landscaping or fiddling about on the 'puter.

Hee. I remember what that was like when my older two had started school.
I've been working on a quilt since last August and am now to the stage where
it's all together and I've quilted about 10% of it but I'm aching to get it
finished so I can start something else!

Tai

"Tai" <tainuiti@yahoo.com> wrote in On top of that I can fit in the things that I have never had time for before like crafts or landscaping or fiddling about on the 'puter. Hee. I remember what that was like when my older two had started school. I've been working on a quilt since last August and am now to the stage
where it's all together and I've quilted about 10% of it but I'm aching to get
it finished so I can start something else!

I just finished some covered coat hangers for the Mother's Day stall at
school. I've vowed never to attempt knitting an adult size article or
quilting or any of those large items ever again. I like to see results
quickly. :)

Amy

"Tai" <tainuiti@yahoo.com> wrote in On top of that I can fit in the things that I have never had time for before like crafts or landscaping or fiddling about on the 'puter. Hee. I remember what that was like when my older two had started school. I've been working on a quilt since last August and am now to the stage
where it's all together and I've quilted about 10% of it but I'm aching to get
it finished so I can start something else!

I just finished some covered coat hangers for the Mother's Day stall at
school. I've vowed never to attempt knitting an adult size article or
quilting or any of those large items ever again. I like to see results
quickly. :)

Amy

"Amy Lou" <amylouisa@bigpond.com> wrote in message
I just finished some covered coat hangers for the Mother's Day stall at school.

Oh, good you. lol

(Don't you just love making things for your kids to buy back and give to
you?)
I've vowed never to attempt knitting an adult size article or quilting or any of those large items ever again. I like to see results quickly. :)

To my shame I haven't knitted anything for our youngest and sewed only a few
clothes for him - he has so many hand-me-downs. The quilt is something to
make up for that. I did knit my duaghter a scarf a month ago and that was
satisfyingly quick. I do like sewing clothes because of the fast results.

I helped a friend put a mosaic design on a birdbath recently and really
enjoyed that. It was quite therapeutic snipping the pieces of tile and
mirror! I'd like to make one for our garden - or start with designing a
bowl first, probably, to practice on something less expensive.

Tai

"Amy Lou" <amylouisa@bigpond.com> wrote in message
I just finished some covered coat hangers for the Mother's Day stall at school.

Oh, good you. lol

(Don't you just love making things for your kids to buy back and give to
you?)
I've vowed never to attempt knitting an adult size article or quilting or any of those large items ever again. I like to see results quickly. :)

To my shame I haven't knitted anything for our youngest and sewed only a few
clothes for him - he has so many hand-me-downs. The quilt is something to
make up for that. I did knit my duaghter a scarf a month ago and that was
satisfyingly quick. I do like sewing clothes because of the fast results.

I helped a friend put a mosaic design on a birdbath recently and really
enjoyed that. It was quite therapeutic snipping the pieces of tile and
mirror! I'd like to make one for our garden - or start with designing a
bowl first, probably, to practice on something less expensive.

Tai

"Tai" <tainuiti@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c76um6$f8jc$1@ID-123442.news.uni-berlin.de... "Amy Lou" <amylouisa@bigpond.com> wrote in message I just finished some covered coat hangers for the Mother's Day stall at school. Oh, good you. lol

Heh heh. Thanks
(Don't you just love making things for your kids to buy back and give to you?)

LOL And my husband thinks he is so clever too because he makes it his job to
give the kids the money. Of course I have to make sure he doesn't forget!
I've vowed never to attempt knitting an adult size article or quilting or any of those large items ever again. I like to see results quickly. :) To my shame I haven't knitted anything for our youngest and sewed only a
few clothes for him - he has so many hand-me-downs. The quilt is something to make up for that. I did knit my duaghter a scarf a month ago and that was satisfyingly quick. I do like sewing clothes because of the fast results.

Aren't hand me downs great? Reminds me of the crocheted rug I made for my
first child's cot. I extended it for my second child and for my last child I
bought a new rug (second hand). Each and every child thought his rug was
lovely.
I helped a friend put a mosaic design on a birdbath recently and really enjoyed that. It was quite therapeutic snipping the pieces of tile and mirror! I'd like to make one for our garden - or start with designing a bowl first, probably, to practice on something less expensive.

Sometimes there just aren't enough hours in the day. :0

Amy

"Tai" <tainuiti@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c76um6$f8jc$1@ID-123442.news.uni-berlin.de... "Amy Lou" <amylouisa@bigpond.com> wrote in message I just finished some covered coat hangers for the Mother's Day stall at school. Oh, good you. lol

Heh heh. Thanks
(Don't you just love making things for your kids to buy back and give to you?)

LOL And my husband thinks he is so clever too because he makes it his job to
give the kids the money. Of course I have to make sure he doesn't forget!
I've vowed never to attempt knitting an adult size article or quilting or any of those large items ever again. I like to see results quickly. :) To my shame I haven't knitted anything for our youngest and sewed only a
few clothes for him - he has so many hand-me-downs. The quilt is something to make up for that. I did knit my duaghter a scarf a month ago and that was satisfyingly quick. I do like sewing clothes because of the fast results.

Aren't hand me downs great? Reminds me of the crocheted rug I made for my
first child's cot. I extended it for my second child and for my last child I
bought a new rug (second hand). Each and every child thought his rug was
lovely.
I helped a friend put a mosaic design on a birdbath recently and really enjoyed that. It was quite therapeutic snipping the pieces of tile and mirror! I'd like to make one for our garden - or start with designing a bowl first, probably, to practice on something less expensive.

Sometimes there just aren't enough hours in the day. :0

Amy