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Xenos the elder
01-05-2004, 11:53 PM
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57 Red Flags * Proof Bush Did Not Win the Popular Vote in Florida

Irregularities, strategic voting hindrances, illegal ballots,
intimidation, collusion, obstruction... Nice way to be a "uniter, not
a divider"!

What's going on? There are so many anomalies now that the probability
of simple coincidence or bad luck is dwindling down to nothing.

On Election Day, November 7, some strange things happened in Florida.

Let's put the puzzle pieces together.


Early Calls

1) Major pre-election polls had Gore leading in Florida the night of Nov. 6.
(http://www.zogby.com/features/featuredtables.dbm?ID=30#Anchor-Florid-922)
(http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001106/ts/election_leadall_dc_11.html)

2) On Election Day, November 7, Voter News Service correctly predicted
through exit polls that matched with early results that Gore won the
state of Florida by a safe margin of 5%. At 7:53PM VNS issued the
bulletin: FLORIDA PRESIDENT RACE * GORE WINS. The networks immediately
called the state for Gore.
(http://www.herald.com/content/tue/business/florida/digdocs/045599.htm)

3) A mortified Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida, shortly thereafter left
his family in Austin to make some calls. Then George W., after
consulting with his advisors including his brother Jeb, called
reporters to his hotel suite and told them the networks had made a
mistake in calling Florida. "I'm upbeat," he said. At 10:13PM the
networks recalled the state and put it back into the "too close to
call" column.
(http://www.herald.com/content/tue/business/florida/digdocs/045599.htm)

4) At 2:18 AM the networks began declaring George W. Bush the
president. They had done so after Fox News called Florida. Who made
the decision to incorrectly call Florida for Bush over at Fox, thereby
creating the lasting myth that Bush won? John Ellis, who also happens
to be George W. Bush's first cousin.
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/15/ellis/index.html)

Irregularities * Palm Beach County

5) An illegal ballot design (the infamous "butterfly ballot") confused
many residents of Palm Beach County into undervoting, overvoting, or
accidentally voting for Pat Buchanan. Regarding the spin about how it'
s because they are stupid old people: voters started complaining about
this at 7:05 AM on Election Day. DNC HQ calls were jammed due to the
high volume of calls. Rep. Robert Wexler, the local Congressional
Representative, received a deluge of calls, and on Election Day, even
VP Candidate Joseph Lieberman called the local office to see what was
going on down there. The elections supervisor issued a warning midway
through the day warning people of the confusion.
(http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/politics/AP-Florida-Ballot-Confusion.
html)
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/09/lapore/index.html)
(http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/daily/detail/0,1136,36000000000123102,00.html)

6) The odds that Palm Beach County residents voted for Buchanan rather
than Gore is approximately a trillion to one. Statistical models bear
this out when you compare them to the Buchanan vote in other counties.
Looking at any graph you see a huge, disproportionate spike in
Buchanan votes. Pat Buchanan himself agrees that the majority of these
votes were not cast for him. (http://www.bestbookmarks.com/election)
(http://madison.hss.cmu.edu/)

7) Many Palm Beach county voters who mis-voted but caught it
immediately and asked for another ballot were told they could not have
another ballot by poll workers, in violation of county rules. (NPR,
11/10/00)

8) Socialist Party candidate David McReynolds received abnormally high
vote totals in Palm Beach County. His name appears directly below
Buchanan's name on the butterfly ballot, in a position that could
potentially draw erroneous votes from Democratic votes. McReynolds
received 302 votes in PBC. Statewide, in the other 66 counties, he
received 316 votes combined. McReynolds got virtually as many votes in
Palm Beach County as he did in the entire rest of the state of
Florida...nearly 50% of the statewide total!
(http://www.bestbookmarks.com/election)

9) After the handcounts were completed, after using a stricter
standard than neighboring Broward County, the deadline was missed by
an hour or two. Could the count have been delayed because of stall
tactics used by overzealous GOP observers?
(http://www.globe.com/dailyglobe2/324/nation/Democrats_accuse_GOP_of_stalling_for_time+.shtml)

Irregularities * Miami-Dade County

10) Miami-Dade has a recent history of election fraud. In 1998, Mayor
elect Xavier Suarez was stripped of his election victory by a Florida
appeals court, reinstating Joe Carollo as mayor of Miami, finding that
massive fraud had robbed him of victory at the polls four months
prior. A trial court judge had previously ruled that the election was
tainted by ``massive, well-conceived and well-orchestrated'' absentee
ballot fraud in which even a dead man voted.
(http://www.income-online.com/content/news/NEWS/MIAMI.html)

11) The very same scandal-tainted Xavier Suarez currently sits on the
executive committee of the Miami-Dade Republican Party and was
specifically involved this year in helping to get out the Republican
vote. He admitted on November 8th that "he helped fill out absentee
ballot forms and enlist Republican absentee voters in Miami-Dade
County" (http://www.feedmag.com/templates/daily_master.php3?a_id=1389)

12) Despite tough rules put in place after the fraud-plagued Miami
mayoral election, rules designed to keep absentee ballots out of the
hands of campaign operatives, GOP workers obtained hundreds of them
from voters during their aggressive drive to increase turnout for
George W. Bush. An estimated 500 to 600 completed ballots were
collected by Bush volunteers or dropped off at campaign offices in
Little Havana, Westchester and Hialeah, according to GOP campaign
officials in charge of the absentee vote.
(http://www.herald.com/content/archive/news/elect2000/decision/018937.htm)

13) The Miami-Dade Canvassing Board decided to abruptly stop the hand
count after mobs of Republicans paid for by Bush and other GOP
operatives including that of House Majority Whip Tom DeLay stormed
their building. Rep. John Sweeney, R-N.Y., was one of the ringleaders
of the Miami fight against the recount, and after hearing the decision
to change a vote tally, Sweeney uttered a three-word order to his
troops: "Shut it down."
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63455-2000Nov27.html)
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/28/miami/)
(http://www.msnbc.com/news/494375.asp)

14) Gore gained 157 more votes than Bush in the partial hand recount,
which were not added to the tally by Florida Secretary of State
Katherine Harris.

Irregularities * Volusia County

15) On Election Night, a computer glitch showed a Socialist Party
candidate had more than 9,000 votes, while Vice President Al Gore had
minus 16,000. Those numbers were sent out over the Internet, picked up
by local newspapers and subsequently reported by major networks on
Election Night. The socialist eventually ended up with 9 votes in the
county.
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/11/volusia/index.html)

16) Then, during Wednesday's recount, a forgotten ballot bag emerged
from a county poll worker's trunk. Two days later, three other ballot
bags emerged later from the county vaults without their tamper-proof
seals intact.
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/11/volusia/index.html)

Irregularites - Seminole County

17) 2,100 incomplete GOP absentee ballot requests were selectively
fixed/altered by GOP workers invited into election offices by the GOP
elections supervisor while similar Democratic absentee ballot requests
were rejected.
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/28/seminole/index.html)
(http://www.campaignwatch.org/update.htm)

Irregularities * Broward County

18) Broward County elections officials are investigating the
possibility that a handful of voting machines malfunctioned Nov. 7,
now that the hand recount has been completed.
(http://www.herald.com/content/archive/news/elect2000/decision/042862.htm)

Irregularities * Duval County

19) A 40,000-vote error in the Duval count was one of two significant
miscalculations the Voter News Service made in Florida on November 7.
(http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/111300/met_4597444.html)

20) Many of the 27,000 presidential ballots in Duval County that were
disqualified were in predominantly black areas. Nearly 42 percent came
from four districts alone, ones that are overwhelmingly Democratic,
where voters there favored Gore by about 80%.
(http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/111300/met_4597444.html)

Irregularities * Hillsborough County

21) VNS Reported higher than usual numbers for Bush in six precincts
in the Tampa area which was one of the reasons they pulled the state
from Gore to the undecided column on Election Day. An exit poller said
that a sampling of six precincts in Tampa included "too many
Democrats". (St. Petersburg Times; St. Petersburg, Fla.; Nov 9, 2000)

Irregularities * Martin County

22) Martin County Supervisor of Elections Peggy S. Robbins allowed GOP
operatives to take flawed absentee ballot forms home and correct them.
Altering an absentee ballot application is a third-degree felony in
Florida.
(http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/decision2000/lat_absent001202.htm)

Irregularities * Nassau County

23) Predominately Republican Nassau County inexplicably decided to
report its original election returns rather than its recount tally to
the secretary of state for certification, thus stripping Vice
President Al Gore of 51 votes.
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/24/deutsch/index.html)

Irregularities * Bay County

24) A Bay County resident alleged the Republican Party of Florida used
"unlawful and heavy-handed actions" to encourage people to vote by
absentee ballot. The GOP apparently used the state seal, in violation
of state law, on letters urging voters to seek absentee ballots.
(http://www.newsherald.com/articles/2000/11/14/lo111400g.htm) (St.
Petersburg Times, Nov 30, 2000)

Irregularities * Escambia County

25) A forged absentee ballot may have been part of an broader
voter-fraud scheme.
(http://www.sptimes.com/News/111000/Election2000/Forged_ballot_in_Esca.shtml)

Irregularities * Overseas Ballots

26) Some Florida residents serving at a U.S. Air Force base in England
received two absentee ballots for this year's presidential race.
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/09/duplicate/index.html)

Irregularities - Statewide

27) The distribution of archaic voting machines were in predominately
Democratic Counties. At least another 4,942 votes would have been
registered for Gore if the punch-card and mark-sense voting machines
had been randomly distributed throughout Florida.
(http://www.dshields.net/randomvotingmachine.htm)

28) When the first machine recount was completed on Nov. 9, there were
highly non-random corrections to the vote count for Gore, but just in
the counties which were already voting heavily for Gore. Graphs
showing this discrepancy indicate that there may have been an
undercount of the votes for Gore in those counties in the initial
machine count. The re-count corrections in the Republican show a nice
bell-shaped curve, which is what you would expect if the distribution
of corrections was random, which is expected if the original count was
strictly fair. The distribution of the corrections in the Democratic
is lop-sided on the right, indicating the magnitude of corrections
went heavily towards Gore. This is NOT what you would expect if the
corrections were due to random errors, and indicates some other factor
is involved which is not random (i.e. fraud).
(http://www.dshields.net/floridaelectionrecountstats.htm)

29) Hand recounts, while denounced exaustively by the Bush campaign
and the GOP, were used in certain Republican counties that favored
Bush.
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/28/hand/index.html)

30) A Miami Herald analysis suggests Gore would have won Florida by
23,000 were it not for statewide irregularities.
(http://www.herald.com/content/archive/news/elect2000/decision/104268.htm)

Voter Intimidation and Jim (Jeb) Crow

31) Black votes statewide have been disproportionally tossed, in some
county precincts in Duval County the ratio is as high as one in three.
(http://www.msnbc.com/news/497956.asp#BODY)
(http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/29/politics/29MACH.html)

32) A disproportionate number of rejected presidential votes in South
Florida came from African-American and Caribbean neighborhoods,
according to an analysis of election data from Broward, Miami-Dade and
Palm Beach Counties.
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/metro/chicago/ws/item/0,1308,46649-46819-48438,00.html)

33) A disproportionate number of black votes were tossed in Glades
County. (http://home.netcom.com/~mecowan/glades.htm)

34) Registered black college students at Bethune-Cookman College in
Daytona Beach and Tallahassee's Florida A&M University said they were
turned away from the polls even though they had signed up in fall
registration drives.
(http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/daily/detail/0,1136,36000000000133020,00.html)

35) In Leon County, highway patrol troopers set up an unauthorized
checkpoint near a polling place in the town of Woodville
(http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/daily/detail/0,1136,36000000000133020,00.html)

36) Many black voters were inexplicably not on the voter lists at the
polling locations.
(http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/30/politics/30BLAC.html)

37) Many reports of voter intimidation surfaced in Hillsboro County.
(http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=View&c=Article&cid=FT3WRE3NLFC&live=true&tagid=ZZZOMSJK30C&subheading=US)
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/11/naacp/index.html)

38) The FBI has been investigating allegations that some voters,
primarily Haitians with limited or no English speaking or reading
ability, were duped into voting for Bush by misleading "palm cards"
that made them think they were voting for Gore.
(http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/daily/detail/0,1136,36000000000126886,00.html)

39) In Miami, Haitian-Americans said they weren't given mandated
ballots in Creole, or were denied help from poll workers.
(http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/daily/detail/0,1136,36000000000133020,00.html)

40) In Healdsburg County, police were stopping African American
voters, asking for ID's and asking, "What are you doing here?"
(http://www.allegedirregularities.com/profiling/)

41) Many were asked a litany of questions even though they were on the
voting rolls and had ID's. The questions had to do with whether they
had been convicted of a felony, when was the last time they voted,
etc. Only African Americans appeared to be asked these questions.
(http://www.allegedirregularities.com/profiling/)

42) Four ballot boxes in heavily black precincts were alleged to not
have been picked up.
(http://www.globe.com/dailyglobe2/335/nation/NAACP_says_it_will_sue_over_alleged_flaws_in_Fla_v oting+.shtml)

43) A polling place was demolished without notice.
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/11/naacp/index.html)

Racist and Hate Group Intimidation

44) Protesters have been infiltrated by Neo-Nazis, the KKK and other
hate groups. A major Neo-Nazi website encourages people to attend its
"No More Gore" rallies.
(http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0047/ladd.shtml)
(www.stormfront.org)

Other Intimidation

45) Several Democrats were punched, kicked and trampled by Republican
goons during the court-ordered Miami-Dade recount. Death threats and
other assaults have also occurred, specifically towards Rep. Robert
Wexler, and Palm Beach commissioner Carol Roberts. A certain website
also published the home phone numbers of the Florida Supreme Court
Justices, and one can assume the possibility of death threats may have
reached even to that level. (http://www.msnbc.com/news/494375.asp)

Cyber Jim Crow

46) Due to a "computer glitch", approximately 12,000 voters across the
state were mistakenly identified as having out-of-state felony
convictions, thereby making them ineligible to vote. Although 8,000 of
these so marked were able to fix the problem through an arduous
process of restoring their rights through the Florida Office of
Executive Clemency, 4,000 remained ineligible to vote by Election Day.
Those falsely marked as felons included a disproportionate number of
African Americans, more disproportionate than the standard ratio of
conviction rates between blacks and whites would allow.
(www.observer.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,402957,00.html),
(http://home.netcom.com/~mecowan/voter_rolls.htm)

47) The source of this so-called "glitch": Database Technologies, a
division of ChoicePoint; hired by Florida Secretary of State Katherine
Harris. Harris hired Database Technologies to identify people
registered in other counties, those who have died, or those who are
felons. In 1999 the FBI suspended their contract with DBT because of
suspected ties of the company founder to drug smugglers, despite the
fact that one year prior, a respected former DEA agent and
narcotrafficking specialist was hired as Vice President.
(http://geocities.com/glitchgate)

48) ChoicePoint's founder, Rick Rozar, died from an accident in 1998.
According to Guardian Observer reporter Gregory Palast, he was "under
fire for misuse of personal data in state computers." ChoicePoint is a
very private firm with tight Republican ties.
(www.observer.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,402957,00.html),
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/12/04/voter_file/index.html)

49) The computer glitch that disenfranchised the 4,000 Floridians
stemmed largely from Texas state records that erroneously included
people with misdemeanors as having felonies.
(http://home.netcom.com/~mecowan/voter_rolls.htm)

Collusion

50) The Governor of Florida, Jeb Bush, is George W. Bush's brother.

51) Katherine Harris, Florida's Secretary of State and the person in
charge of certifying Florida's electors, was George W. Bush's Florida
co-chairwoman as far back as October 1999.
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/13/harris/index.html)

52) George W. Bush is son of the former President who was head of the
CIA. The CIA has experience in overturning elections and pulling off
coup d'etats in third-world countries.
(http://www.fas.org/irp/ops/policy/church-chile.htm)
(http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/chile/index.html)

Scorched Earth and Other Endgames

53) Despite the fact that Gore most likely won, if he succeeds is any
of his legal battles and wins the popular vote in Florida, the Florida
Legislature may decide to ignore this fact and railroad through their
own set of Republican electors, in violation of the will of the voters
and perhaps the will of the State Supreme Court of Florida.
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/elections/electors18.htm)

54) If this fails, Republicans on Capitol Hill, led by House whip Tom
DeLay will initiate what he calls a "doomsday scenario" whereby they
would attempt to reject Florida's electoral votes if they feel it is
tainted (i.e. belonging to Gore), in violation of the will of the
voters in Florida and the rest of the country. Some Republicans have
even called for a boycott of the Inauguration should Gore prevail, in
an apparent scorched-earth policy aimed at crippling the Presidency
right from day one.
(http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/elections/congress20.htm)
(http://www.vny.com/cf/News/upidetail.cfm?QID=136895)

Relevant Character Issues (Aside from the Obvious Ones)

55) Bush won't accept defeat. "...Even if he loses, his friends say, he
doesn't lose. He'll just change the score, or change the rules, or
make his opponent play until he can beat him..." as reported in Gail
Sheehy's "The Accidental Candidate" in the October 2000 issue of
Vanity Fair. (http://gailsheehy.com/Politics/politicsindex_bush3.html)

Doomed Anyways

56) Al Gore was character assassinated by a powerful Bush campaign
opposition machine which utilized a database of every public utterance
in Gore's 26 years in public service with which to twist every
variance and use it to tarnish him as duplicitous and untrustworthy.
Opposition research has never been used to this magnitude before.
(http://www.time.com/time/campaign2000/story/0,7243,59665,00.html)

Vendetta, Inc.

57) In many respects this whole election is about payback for a hatred
for Clinton (and by proxy, Gore) and what they have done to the "Bush
stocks". The corporate power players abide and abet, because they are
delighted at the prospect of grand-scale deregulation of business,
services and industry, 'bringing the business special interests into
politics so they can take over the regulatory bodies of government and
regulate themselves'.
(http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,406082,00.html)


Something is Rotten in the State of Florida.

Amused
01-06-2004, 05:54 PM
Oh for hell's sake...

It's funny how these paranoid conspiracy theorists operate. Remember DEWEY
DEFEATS TRUMAN! ?

You know, the Legislature in Florida is Republican for a reason... OUTSIDE
OF PALM BEACH, VOLUSIA AND DADE, THERE ARE MORE REPUBLICANS. And these are
the counties where the vote hadn't come in yet when this 'conspiracy' is
alleged to have happened.

This explains why the vote was called the way it was.

As I see it, trying to hand-pick counties for recounts, trying to
disenfranchize the military, trying to usurp the will of the people through
legal maneuvers in the courts is the legacy of the Democrats, and it stinks
just as much if not more than anything you cite here.

The 'Butterfly Ballot' was designed by a Theresa LePore, a DEMOCRAT, in an
effort to provide more room for larger type so that SENIORS could read it
better.

There was no MOB, no violence, nothing. Unless you are afraid of a bunch of
white guys in suits and ties.

Election 2000 is over. Go back to your 'compound' and try to get your
paranoid friends to vote next November.

In every recount done, every one, by the press or anyone else, Bush won in
Florida.

Deal with it.







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57 Red Flags * Proof Bush Did Not Win the Popular Vote in Florida

Irregularities, strategic voting hindrances, illegal ballots,
intimidation, collusion, obstruction... Nice way to be a "uniter, not
a divider"!

What's going on? There are so many anomalies now that the probability
of simple coincidence or bad luck is dwindling down to nothing.

On Election Day, November 7, some strange things happened in Florida.

Let's put the puzzle pieces together.


Early Calls

1) Major pre-election polls had Gore leading in Florida the night of Nov. 6.
(http://www.zogby.com/features/featuredtables.dbm?ID=30#Anchor-Florid-922)
(http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001106/ts/election_leadall_dc_11.html)

2) On Election Day, November 7, Voter News Service correctly predicted
through exit polls that matched with early results that Gore won the
state of Florida by a safe margin of 5%. At 7:53PM VNS issued the
bulletin: FLORIDA PRESIDENT RACE * GORE WINS. The networks immediately
called the state for Gore.
(http://www.herald.com/content/tue/business/florida/digdocs/045599.htm)


3) A mortified Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida, shortly thereafter left
his family in Austin to make some calls. Then George W., after
consulting with his advisors including his brother Jeb, called
reporters to his hotel suite and told them the networks had made a
mistake in calling Florida. "I'm upbeat," he said. At 10:13PM the
networks recalled the state and put it back into the "too close to
call" column.
(http://www.herald.com/content/tue/business/florida/digdocs/045599.htm)

Because votes from the panhandle and other conservative areas had not yet
begun to come in.


4) At 2:18 AM the networks began declaring George W. Bush the
president. They had done so after Fox News called Florida. Who made
the decision to incorrectly call Florida for Bush over at Fox, thereby
creating the lasting myth that Bush won? John Ellis, who also happens
to be George W. Bush's first cousin.
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/15/ellis/index.html)



Irregularities * Palm Beach County

5) An illegal ballot design (the infamous "butterfly ballot") confused
many residents of Palm Beach County into undervoting, overvoting, or
accidentally voting for Pat Buchanan. Regarding the spin about how it'
s because they are stupid old people: voters started complaining about
this at 7:05 AM on Election Day. DNC HQ calls were jammed due to the
high volume of calls. Rep. Robert Wexler, the local Congressional
Representative, received a deluge of calls, and on Election Day, even
VP Candidate Joseph Lieberman called the local office to see what was
going on down there. The elections supervisor issued a warning midway
through the day warning people of the confusion.
(http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/politics/AP-Florida-Ballot-Confusion.
html)
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/09/lapore/index.html)
(http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/daily/detail/0,1136,36000000000123102,00.h
tml)

6) The odds that Palm Beach County residents voted for Buchanan rather
than Gore is approximately a trillion to one. Statistical models bear
this out when you compare them to the Buchanan vote in other counties.
Looking at any graph you see a huge, disproportionate spike in
Buchanan votes. Pat Buchanan himself agrees that the majority of these
votes were not cast for him. (http://www.bestbookmarks.com/election)
(http://madison.hss.cmu.edu/)

7) Many Palm Beach county voters who mis-voted but caught it
immediately and asked for another ballot were told they could not have
another ballot by poll workers, in violation of county rules. (NPR,
11/10/00)

8) Socialist Party candidate David McReynolds received abnormally high
vote totals in Palm Beach County. His name appears directly below
Buchanan's name on the butterfly ballot, in a position that could
potentially draw erroneous votes from Democratic votes. McReynolds
received 302 votes in PBC. Statewide, in the other 66 counties, he
received 316 votes combined. McReynolds got virtually as many votes in
Palm Beach County as he did in the entire rest of the state of
Florida.nearly 50% of the statewide total!
(http://www.bestbookmarks.com/election)

9) After the handcounts were completed, after using a stricter
standard than neighboring Broward County, the deadline was missed by
an hour or two. Could the count have been delayed because of stall
tactics used by overzealous GOP observers?
(http://www.globe.com/dailyglobe2/324/nation/Democrats_accuse_GOP_of_stallin
g_for_time+.shtml)

Irregularities * Miami-Dade County

10) Miami-Dade has a recent history of election fraud. In 1998, Mayor
elect Xavier Suarez was stripped of his election victory by a Florida
appeals court, reinstating Joe Carollo as mayor of Miami, finding that
massive fraud had robbed him of victory at the polls four months
prior. A trial court judge had previously ruled that the election was
tainted by ``massive, well-conceived and well-orchestrated'' absentee
ballot fraud in which even a dead man voted.
(http://www.income-online.com/content/news/NEWS/MIAMI.html)

11) The very same scandal-tainted Xavier Suarez currently sits on the
executive committee of the Miami-Dade Republican Party and was
specifically involved this year in helping to get out the Republican
vote. He admitted on November 8th that "he helped fill out absentee
ballot forms and enlist Republican absentee voters in Miami-Dade
County" (http://www.feedmag.com/templates/daily_master.php3?a_id=1389)

12) Despite tough rules put in place after the fraud-plagued Miami
mayoral election, rules designed to keep absentee ballots out of the
hands of campaign operatives, GOP workers obtained hundreds of them
from voters during their aggressive drive to increase turnout for
George W. Bush. An estimated 500 to 600 completed ballots were
collected by Bush volunteers or dropped off at campaign offices in
Little Havana, Westchester and Hialeah, according to GOP campaign
officials in charge of the absentee vote.
(http://www.herald.com/content/archive/news/elect2000/decision/018937.htm)

13) The Miami-Dade Canvassing Board decided to abruptly stop the hand
count after mobs of Republicans paid for by Bush and other GOP
operatives including that of House Majority Whip Tom DeLay stormed
their building. Rep. John Sweeney, R-N.Y., was one of the ringleaders
of the Miami fight against the recount, and after hearing the decision
to change a vote tally, Sweeney uttered a three-word order to his
troops: "Shut it down."
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63455-2000Nov27.html)
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/28/miami/)
(http://www.msnbc.com/news/494375.asp)

14) Gore gained 157 more votes than Bush in the partial hand recount,
which were not added to the tally by Florida Secretary of State
Katherine Harris.

Irregularities * Volusia County

15) On Election Night, a computer glitch showed a Socialist Party
candidate had more than 9,000 votes, while Vice President Al Gore had
minus 16,000. Those numbers were sent out over the Internet, picked up
by local newspapers and subsequently reported by major networks on
Election Night. The socialist eventually ended up with 9 votes in the
county.
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/11/volusia/index.html)

16) Then, during Wednesday's recount, a forgotten ballot bag emerged
from a county poll worker's trunk. Two days later, three other ballot
bags emerged later from the county vaults without their tamper-proof
seals intact.
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/11/volusia/index.html)

Irregularites - Seminole County

17) 2,100 incomplete GOP absentee ballot requests were selectively
fixed/altered by GOP workers invited into election offices by the GOP
elections supervisor while similar Democratic absentee ballot requests
were rejected.
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/28/seminole/index.html)
(http://www.campaignwatch.org/update.htm)

Irregularities * Broward County

18) Broward County elections officials are investigating the
possibility that a handful of voting machines malfunctioned Nov. 7,
now that the hand recount has been completed.
(http://www.herald.com/content/archive/news/elect2000/decision/042862.htm)

Irregularities * Duval County

19) A 40,000-vote error in the Duval count was one of two significant
miscalculations the Voter News Service made in Florida on November 7.
(http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/111300/met_4597444.html)

20) Many of the 27,000 presidential ballots in Duval County that were
disqualified were in predominantly black areas. Nearly 42 percent came
from four districts alone, ones that are overwhelmingly Democratic,
where voters there favored Gore by about 80%.
(http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/111300/met_4597444.html)

Irregularities * Hillsborough County

21) VNS Reported higher than usual numbers for Bush in six precincts
in the Tampa area which was one of the reasons they pulled the state
from Gore to the undecided column on Election Day. An exit poller said
that a sampling of six precincts in Tampa included "too many
Democrats". (St. Petersburg Times; St. Petersburg, Fla.; Nov 9, 2000)

Irregularities * Martin County

22) Martin County Supervisor of Elections Peggy S. Robbins allowed GOP
operatives to take flawed absentee ballot forms home and correct them.
Altering an absentee ballot application is a third-degree felony in
Florida.
(http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/decision2000/lat_absent001202.htm)

Irregularities * Nassau County

23) Predominately Republican Nassau County inexplicably decided to
report its original election returns rather than its recount tally to
the secretary of state for certification, thus stripping Vice
President Al Gore of 51 votes.
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/24/deutsch/index.html)

Irregularities * Bay County

24) A Bay Count resident alleged the Republican Party of Florida used
"unlawful and heavy-handed actions" to encourage people to vote by
absentee ballot. The GOP apparently used the state seal, in violation
of state law, on letters urging voters to seek absentee ballots.
(http://www.newsherald.com/articles/2000/11/14/lo111400g.htm) (St.
Petersburg Times, Nov 30, 2000)

Irregularities * Escambia County

25) A forged absentee ballot may have been part of an broader
voter-fraud scheme.
(http://www.sptimes.com/News/111000/Election2000/Forged_ballot_in_Esca.shtml
)

Irregularities * Overseas Ballots

26) Some Florida residents serving at a U.S. Air Force base in England
received two absentee ballots for this year's presidential race.
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/09/duplicate/index.html)

Irregularities - Statewide

27) The distribution of archaic voting machines were in predominately
Democratic Counties. At least another 4,942 votes would have been
registered for Gore if the punch-card and mark-sense voting machines
had been randomly distributed throughout Florida.
(http://www.dshields.net/randomvotingmachine.htm)

28) When the first machine recount was completed on Nov. 9, there were
highly non-random corrections to the vote count for Gore, but just in
the counties which were already voting heavily for Gore. Graphs
showing this discrepancy indicate that there may have been an
undercount of the votes for Gore in those counties in the initial
machine count. The re-count corrections in the Republican show a nice
bell-shaped curve, which is what you would expect if the distribution
of corrections was random, which is expected if the original count was
strictly fair. The distribution of the corrections in the Democratic
is lop-sided on the right, indicating the magnitude of corrections
went heavily towards Gore. This is NOT what you would expect if the
corrections were due to random errors, and indicates some other factor
is involved which is not random (i.e. fraud).
(http://www.dshields.net/floridaelectionrecountstats.htm)

29) Hand recounts, while denounced exaustively by the Bush campaign
and the GOP, were used in certain Republican counties that favored
Bush.
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/28/hand/index.html)

30) A Miami Herald analysis suggests Gore would have won Florida by
23,000 were it not for statewide irregularities.
(http://www.herald.com/content/archive/news/elect2000/decision/104268.htm)

Voter Intimidation and Jim (Jeb) Crow

31) Black votes statewide have been disproportionally tossed, in some
county precincts in Duval County the ratio is as high as one in three.
(http://www.msnbc.com/news/497956.asp#BODY)
(http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/29/politics/29MACH.html)

32) A disproportionate number of rejected presidential votes in South
Florida came from African-American and Caribbean neighborhoods,
according to an analysis of election data from Broward, Miami-Dade and
Palm Beach Counties.
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/metro/chicago/ws/item/0,1308,46649-46819
-48438,00.html)

33) A disproportionate number of black votes were tossed in Glades
County. (http://home.netcom.com/~mecowan/glades.htm)

34) Registered black college students at Bethune-Cookman College in
Daytona Beach and Tallahassee's Florida A&M University said they were
turned away from the polls even though they had signed up in fall
registration drives.
(http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/daily/detail/0,1136,36000000000133020,00.h
tml)

35) In Leon County, highway patrol troopers set up an unauthorized
checkpoint near a polling place in the town of Woodville
(http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/daily/detail/0,1136,36000000000133020,00.h
tml)

36) Many black voters were inexplicably not on the voter lists at the
polling locations.
(http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/30/politics/30BLAC.html)

37) Many reports of voter intimidation surfaced in Hillsboro County.
(http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=View&c=Article&cid=FT3WRE3NLFC&li
ve=true&tagid=ZZZOMSJK30C&subheading=US)
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/11/naacp/index.html)

38) The FBI has been investigating allegations that some voters,
primarily Haitians with limited or no English speaking or reading
ability, were duped into voting for Bush by misleading "palm cards"
that made them think they were voting for Gore.
(http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/daily/detail/0,1136,36000000000126886,00.h
tml)

39) In Miami, Haitian-Americans said they weren't given mandated
ballots in Creole, or were denied help from poll workers.
(http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/daily/detail/0,1136,36000000000133020,00.h
tml)

40) In Healdsburg County, police were stopping African American
voters, asking for ID's and asking, "What are you doing here?"
(http://www.allegedirregularities.com/profiling/)

41) Many were asked a litany of questions even though they were on the
voting rolls and had ID's. The questions had to do with whether they
had been convicted of a felony, when was the last time they voted,
etc. Only African Americans appeared to be asked these questions.
(http://www.allegedirregularities.com/profiling/)

42) Four ballot boxes in heavily black precincts were alleged to not
have been picked up.
(http://www.globe.com/dailyglobe2/335/nation/NAACP_says_it_will_sue_over_all
eged_flaws_in_Fla_voting+.shtml)

43) A polling place was demolished without notice.
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/11/naacp/index.html)

Racist and Hate Group Intimidation

44) Protesters have been infiltrated by Neo-Nazis, the KKK and other
hate groups. A major Neo-Nazi website encourages people to attend its
"No More Gore" rallies.
(http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0047/ladd.shtml)
(www.stormfront.org)

Other Intimidation

45) Several Democrats were punched, kicked and trampled by Republican
goons during the court-ordered Miami-Dade recount. Death threats and
other assaults have also occurred, specifically towards Rep. Robert
Wexler, and Palm Beach commissioner Carol Roberts. A certain website
also published the home phone numbers of the Florida Supreme Court
Justices, and one can assume the possibility of death threats may have
reached even to that level. (http://www.msnbc.com/news/494375.asp)

Cyber Jim Crow

46) Due to a "computer glitch", approximately 12,000 voters across the
state were mistakenly identified as having out-of-state felony
convictions, thereby making them ineligible to vote. Although 8,000 of
these so marked were able to fix the problem through an arduous
process of restoring their rights through the Florida Office of
Executive Clemency, 4,000 remained ineligible to vote by Election Day.
Those falsely marked as felons included a disproportionate number of
African Americans, more disproportionate than the standard ratio of
conviction rates between blacks and whites would allow.
(www.observer.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,402957,00.html),
(http://home.netcom.com/~mecowan/voter_rolls.htm)

47) The source of this so-called "glitch": Database Technologies, a
division of ChoicePoint; hired by Florida Secretary of State Katherine
Harris. Harris hired Database Technologies to identify people
registered in other counties, those who have died, or those who are
felons. In 1999 the FBI suspended their contract with DBT because of
suspected ties of the company founder to drug smugglers, despite the
fact that one year prior, a respected former DEA agent and
narcotrafficking specialist was hired as Vice President.
(http://geocities.com/glitchgate)

48) ChoicePoint's founder, Rick Rozar, died from an accident in 1998.
According to Guardian Observer reporter Gregory Palast, he was "under
fire for misuse of personal data in state computers." ChoicePoint is a
very private firm with tight Republican ties.
(www.observer.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,402957,00.html),
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/12/04/voter_file/index.html)

49) The computer glitch that disenfranchised the 4,000 Floridians
stemmed largely from Texas state records that erroneously included
people with misdemeanors as having felonies.
(http://home.netcom.com/~mecowan/voter_rolls.htm)

Collusion

50) The Governor of Florida, Jeb Bush, is George W. Bush's brother.

51) Katherine Harris, Florida's Secretary of State and the person in
charge of certifying Florida's electors, was George W. Bush's Florida
co-chairwoman as far back as October 1999.
(http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/13/harris/index.html)

52) George W. Bush is son of the former President who was head of the
CIA. The CIA has experience in overturning elections and pulling off
coup d'etats in third-world countries.
(http://www.fas.org/irp/ops/policy/church-chile.htm)
(http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/chile/index.html)

Scorched Earth and Other Endgames

53) Despite the fact that Gore most likely won, if he succeeds is any
of his legal battles and wins the popular vote in Florida, the Florida
Legislature may decide to ignore this fact and railroad through their
own set of Republican electors, in violation of the will of the voters
and perhaps the will of the State Supreme Court of Florida.
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/elections/electors18.htm)

54) If this fails, Republicans on Capitol Hill, led by House whip Tom
DeLay will initiate what he calls a "doomsday scenario" whereby they
would attempt to reject Florida's electoral votes if they feel it is
tainted (i.e. belonging to Gore), in violation of the will of the
voters in Florida and the rest of the country. Some Republicans have
even called for a boycott of the Inauguration should Gore prevail, in
an apparent scorched-earth policy aimed at crippling the Presidency
right from day one.
(http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/elections/congress20.htm)
(http://www.vny.com/cf/News/upidetail.cfm?QID=136895)

Relevant Character Issues (Aside from the Obvious Ones)

55) Bush won't accept defeat. ".Even if he loses, his friends say, he
doesn't lose. He'll just change the score, or change the rules, or
make his opponent play until he can beat him." as reported in Gail
Sheehy's "The Accidental Candidate" in the October 2000 issue of
Vanity Fair. (http://gailsheehy.com/Politics/politicsindex_bush3.html)

Doomed Anyways

56) Al Gore was character assassinated by a powerful Bush campaign
opposition machine which utilized a database of every public utterance
in Gore's 26 years in public service with which to twist every
variance and use it to tarnish him as duplicitous and untrustworthy.
Opposition research has never been used to this magnitude before.
(http://www.time.com/time/campaign2000/story/0,7243,59665,00.html)

Vendetta, Inc.

57) In many respects this whole election is about payback for a hatred
for Clinton (and by proxy, Gore) and what they have done to the "Bush
stocks". The corporate power players abide and abet, because they are
delighted at the prospect of grand-scale deregulation of business,
services and industry, 'bringing the business special interests into
politics so they can take over the regulatory bodies of government and
regulate themselves'.
(http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,406082,00.html)


Something is Rotten in the State of Florida.

Larry Kessler
01-06-2004, 07:42 PM
"Amused" <reply@nospam.com> wrote:
Oh for hell's sake...It's funny how these paranoid conspiracy theorists operate.

It's not paranoia when the conspiracy really operated.
There was no MOB, no violence, nothing. Unless you are afraid of a bunch ofwhite guys in suits and ties.

And we should pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Xenos the elder
01-06-2004, 10:15 PM
Amused wrote:
Oh for hell's sake...It's funny how these paranoid conspiracy theorists operate. Remember DEWEYDEFEATS TRUMAN! ?You know, the Legislature in Florida is Republican for a reason... OUTSIDEOF PALM BEACH, VOLUSIA AND DADE, THERE ARE MORE REPUBLICANS. And these arethe counties where the vote hadn't come in yet when this 'conspiracy' isalleged to have happened.This explains why the vote was called the way it was.As I see it, trying to hand-pick counties for recounts, trying todisenfranchize the military, trying to usurp the will of the people throughlegal maneuvers in the courts is the legacy of the Democrats, and it stinksjust as much if not more than anything you cite here.The 'Butterfly Ballot' was designed by a Theresa LePore, a DEMOCRAT, in aneffort to provide more room for larger type so that SENIORS could read itbetter.There was no MOB, no violence, nothing. Unless you are afraid of a bunch ofwhite guys in suits and ties.Election 2000 is over. Go back to your 'compound' and try to get yourparanoid friends to vote next November.In every recount done, every one, by the press or anyone else, Bush won inFlorida.Deal with it."Xenos the elder" <nufsnuIf89@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:3FFA6963.6060706@hotmail.com...http://neighbors.designcommunity.com/notes/1166.html57 Red Flags * Proof Bush Did Not Win the Popular Vote in Florida
I guess the BBC must be lying then about black voters who where not
permitted to vote?
Never mind its not my country.
The war on Iraq would have happen under a democrat president as well.
http://neighbors.designcommunity.com/notes/1166.html

Xenos the elder
01-06-2004, 10:33 PM
Larry Kessler wrote:
"Amused" <reply@nospam.com> wrote:Oh for hell's sake...It's funny how these paranoid conspiracy theorists operate.It's not paranoia when the conspiracy really operated.There was no MOB, no violence, nothing. Unless you are afraid of a bunch ofwhite guys in suits and ties.And we should pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
You are so right. Read further down.
http://www.echelonwatch.org/
Echelon is perhaps the most powerful intelligence gathering organization
in the world. Several credible reports suggest that this global
electronic communications surveillance system presents an extreme threat
to the privacy of people all over the world. According to these reports,
ECHELON attempts to capture staggering volumes of satellite, microwave,
cellular and fiber-optic traffic, including communications to and from
North America. This vast quantity of voice and data communications are
then processed through sophisticated filtering technologies.

This massive surveillance system apparently operates with little
oversight. Moreover, the agencies that purportedly run ECHELON have
provided few details as to the legal guidelines for the project. Because
of this, there is no way of knowing if ECHELON is being used illegally
to spy on private citizens.

This site is designed to encourage public discussion of this potential
threat to civil liberties, and to urge the governments of the world to
protect our rights.
http://www.heise.de/tp/english/inhalt/te/6929/1.html < as a bonus >

<< and don't i remember that during the hight of the Iraq-USA, Germany
France conflict they were bugs ( electronic devises to listen to
conversations ) found in the offices of the German and the French ministers?
I must have been dreaming and my memory must be fading me.
Was there a 9.11 and did not Bush stopped the inquiery in to 9.11?
Nothing to hide?
What the hell is the patriot act about? Allert orange? Gunmen on every
aerplain?
It come yeasterday on the news.
And since we have so much fun:
http://www.geocities.com/vwp27/usprison
http://www.ncpa.org/iss/cri/2003/pd012303b.html
http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/1998/25106798.htm
http://aspin.asu.edu/hpn/archives/Mar99/0061.html
http://www.business-humanrights.org/Categories/Issues/Labour/Prisonlabour
http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=us&cat=prisons
http://www.amnesty.org.uk/deliver/document/12663


http://www.flashhome.com/3_Strikes/3_strikes.html
Wanting to feel safe again, I along with the majority of Californians
supported the 3-strikes law that would send professional criminal
predators to prison for at least 25 years. On the surface, it seems to
be an overwhelming success. Crime in the last five years since 3-strikes
was passed, is down. Serious crimes in Bellflower are down by an
impressive 36%.

How much the reduction in crime is attributable to 3-strikes can be
debated. Other factors that have most certainly contributed are; an
almost doubling in law enforcement expenditures by our city, the
expansion of our marvelously successful neighborhood watch program, and
a short-term nationwide reduction in the number of people who are most
likely to commit crimes, that being males between the ages of 16 to 24.

Most people support putting away violent criminals for as long as
possible. Unfortunately, that is not all the 3-strikes law is doing. Far
too many people are going to prison for 25 years for possession of an
illegal drug or other non-violent and non-serious crime. A third strike
drug offender can serve three times as long in prison as a one-time
murderer.

Some counties, such as San Francisco, are not enforcing the 3-strikes
law against non-violent and non-serious offenders while other counties
such as Los Angeles do. The Justice Policy Institute concluded in a
study that there is no difference in the crime rates between the
counties that enforce 3-strikes against non-violent and non-serious
offenders and those that do not.

Definite problems have arisen from the implementation of 3-strikes.
Faced with the possibility of spending the best years of their lives in
prison, there is the threat that normally non-violent criminals will
murder potential witnesses and law enforcement personnel to stay out of
jail. When they are caught, they will not plea-bargain because the law
does not allow leniency. Instead they fight as hard as they can, which
clogs our court system, delaying other important cases from going to
trial. If convicted, a third striker will cost over one half million
dollars to house him in prison for the next 25 years.

Then there is also the often-ignored human aspect of putting so many
people in prison. These people are the sons and daughters, husbands and
wives, fathers and mothers of thousands of Californians. Many children
will grow up in poverty and resent society for depriving them of their
father.

The solution is to limit 3-strikes to violent and/or serious criminals.
By doing so, our justice system can concentrate on protecting us from
the people we need protection from, the professional criminal predators.

Amused
01-07-2004, 03:55 PM
Be careful, Larry. For all you know I could be one of the 'men in black'
sent here specifically to keep an eye on YOU, lol.

"Larry Kessler" <l_k_e_s_s_l_e_r@w_t.n_e_t> wrote in message
news:220nvv8opmtna34ph881h9huot5bq309mr@4ax.com... "Amused" <reply@nospam.com> wrote:Oh for hell's sake...It's funny how these paranoid conspiracy theorists operate. It's not paranoia when the conspiracy really operated.There was no MOB, no violence, nothing. Unless you are afraid of a bunch
ofwhite guys in suits and ties. And we should pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Xenos the elder
01-08-2004, 11:06 AM
Amused wrote:
Be careful, Larry. For all you know I could be one of the 'men in black'sent here specifically to keep an eye on YOU, lol.
Have some fun with the next article:

Don't you find it disturbing that the Patriot Act signed by Bush is
modeled after the Enabling Act signed by Hitler in Germany after the
Reichstag fire?

Patriot Act & Hitler's Enabling Act
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lacy_052203_evil.html

Patriot Act II Analysis
http://www.infowars.com/print_patriotact2_analysis.htm

Don't you find it disturbing that George W. Bush's grandfather,
Prescott Bush, made the Bush family fortune off of Hitler by investing
in Nazi Germany through Thyssen Steel and Brown Brothers Harriman?

Prescott Bush invests in Hitler via Thyssen Steel & Brown Brothers
Harriman
http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-
bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_2

The Hitler stuff about Bush is 100 percent true. 9/11 was Bush's
Reichstag Fire to be blamed on all people who disagree with him;
liberals, constiutionalists, conservatives, libertarians, anarchists
and anybody else declared a terrorist by the purveyors of a 4th Reich
Police State in America called "Homeland Security".

But like the people in Germany in the 1930's, a lot of you out there
still think that a Nazi-like takeover is still a conspiracy theory.

Will you wake up before people are hauled away in box cars and turned
into soap and lampshades? Whatever happened to the old saying "Those
who forget the past are doomed to repeat it"?

Get the truth here;
http://www.infowars.com
http://www.prisonplanet.com
http://www.rense.com
http://www.globalresearch.ca
http://www.fromthewilderness.com
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com

Americas Patriot
Learn the truth and be a powerful patriot or believe the lies and be a
stupid slave.

http://www.uksociety.org/us_germany_parallels.htm
http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/
http://members.aol.com/TeacherNet/World.html
http://www.smplanet.com/imperialism/toc.html
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/index.cfm
http://www.antiwar.com/
http://www.failureisimpossible.com/topicindex.htm
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/default.asp
"Larry Kessler" <l_k_e_s_s_l_e_r@w_t.n_e_t> wrote in messagenews:220nvv8opmtna34ph881h9huot5bq309mr@4ax .com..."Amused" <reply@nospam.com> wrote:Oh for hell's sake...It's funny how these paranoid conspiracy theorists operate.It's not paranoia when the conspiracy really operated.There was no MOB, no violence, nothing. Unless you are afraid of a bunchofwhite guys in suits and ties.And we should pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

fabbl
01-14-2004, 11:07 AM
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