Neighbor harrassment, surveillance, eavesdropping, window peeping, tresspassing in CA [Archive]

frustrated and tired

05-24-2005, 08:40 PM

cactus jack

05-29-2005, 11:14 PM

F&T, from what you have described I would think that you could (or should) be able to pursue charges. My thoughts are that it's a hate crime since now she's attacking you for your religion. Irregardless if anything she said has any truth. You could be a baptist for all I care, but she's attacked you for your 1st Amendment rights. That's a no-no.

You should be able to pursue criminal charges and possibly civil charges based on the criminal charges. If the police feel there isn't anything to use for criminal charges, you should be able to use that for the civil court.

I ain't a lawyer, just more court experience than I care for.

Androo

06-08-2005, 07:28 AM

Hello everyone,
Glad I found this site...
Alan,your story is pretty much like mine.I am not gay but I have the same BS from my next door neighbours(they like to think I am gay)This has been going on for about 18 months,since I moved in.I'm an English bloke in Amsterdam btw. My trouble was started by an vindictive ex-girlfriend,spreading lies,half-truths and malicious gossip.Like you,I knew they must have some surveillance equipment as otherwise they would not know what you are doing. I also noticed weird clicking noises at certain points in the ceilings of the rooms...I've asked people in the know and the clicking is quite possibly relay switches.These had started soon after I'd heard REALLY LOUD drilling into my walls,above ceiling level.At the time I thought they were renovating or rebuilding.As soon as I first heard the nasty comments,insults etc.I went to these people to confront them about it.They of course,cowards that they are,denied any knowledge of the problem.And got real nervous and uneasy when I told them that eventually there will come a solution to this.It's so frustrating cos it's so difficult to get evidence and it sounds so hard to believe.And I know they are getting a tremendous kick out of it. I've spent so much time worrying about it,losing sleep,being late for work(if it wasn't for my very understanding boss,I would've lost my job by now!) I guess the law is slightly different where you are,but the cops need hard evidence...they can't really go barging into peoples houses on someone elses sayso of course.
So I've enquired about having a "bugsweep" done.For my appartment this will cost about 800/1000 EURO($600/700 ?) For this you also get a print-out that they have detected something - and they can usually tell you what it is as well as where.This can be used as evidence but the bugsweep bloke will not go to the police with you.There are also devices you can buy.This equipment costs around 1000 EURO.I'm sure you can obtain this quite easily as I know that much of it is manufactured in the U.S.E-mail a company specialising in this equipment,ask about prices...keep the e-mail. I haven't decided what to do yet as I've only just reported this nonsense to the cops.This was my first and most difficult step I think.I speak fluent Dutch but with a strong northern english accent,to some it is charming to others it sounds ridiculous:o)Also,keep any e-mails you have sent complaining of your situation - if you ask me,these can also be used as part of a case against them.Tell your friends.Write e-mails.It's an excellent way of keeping a record.And will possibly eleviate some of the psychological pressure etc.Sure,some people will think you're nuts or have been smoking something strange - who cares as long as you get even a chance to nail these creeps! I know it's difficult but try and just continue normally...in fact it's the only thing you can do unless you want to let them see you being nervous,upset,pathetic and scared(I know-I've been there!) Anyhow,I really feel I've taken a positive step by going to the authorities.Here in Holland they have a "buurtregisseur" which is a mediator between warring neighbours.He will be the next step but is at present on holiday. He'll go get both sides of the story then try to arrange a meeting.I'm well up for this! If they refuse,then that is surely an indication that they have something to hide...think about it,if someone accuses you of doing this...you'd want to know who and why!
I'm also ready to go to a lawyer.E-mail a lawyer asking advice...keep the e-mail.
Anyways Alan,hope this helps a bit.Feel free to mail me and we could exchange more advice and I'd be interested to know how it's going now.
I wish everyone the best of luck in solving their problems...it certainly is a nightmare.
Best wishes,
Greetings from Amsterdam,
Andrew.

Anetta Campbell

06-09-2005, 03:30 AM

Hi Alan
Im Anetta
I feel your pain.I too think you should have your home checked for voilation of privacy. It's sad you can't have the comforts of your home and be at peace in what you chose too do in the privacy of your own home. It's out side how you carry your self . But what you do and how you choose too do it in your home invasion of privacy! It is your right too do what ever you want in your as long as it's legal! It is your business! I would have my home checked if I were you. I moved here a year ago and I couldn't play my spiritual music and evrytime I did it was a problem and later she started with and about my listening too my satalite music on T.V complained too the landlord when first moved in and then called the police on me. Never told me who she was and never introduced herself and she came too my door requesting that I turn my music down never had it loud the police saw that for himself ; we live in the business district of Illinois I was happy too move and was happy too be engaged too be married. There is more noise outside. She has a child that runs through the apartment but I do not complain and the arguements with her men friends ;my god! I wish you the best of luck .She bothered me so my husband requested the landlord hold a meeting in his office with the 3 of us I was so angry I wanted too just jump her goat but my husband refuses allow me too say anything .She'd talk too my husband but never said a kind word too me! I moved from where I used too stay which was drug infested; shots rang in front of my apartment and people stayed in your business. Those shots were right outside my bedroom window and bullet holes in my car. I just wanted some peace and my God don't bring the grand kids over too my apartment she complained about that too.Do what you have too do to find out the truth including praying God will direct you and help in your decision. He helped me. I thought I'd never find another place too stay but I have but I'm not too happy cause I :confused: stopped going too church and I stopped listening too my music because of other peoples cruelty. People are'nt who they should be and they don't do what their supposed to do but their always in someones else business. I'd say do it. It would make you feel better too know at least you got sense enough not too pry into their business which makes you a better person . God Bless!

Anetta Campbell

06-22-2005, 08:18 PM

Hi
Alan It's me Anetta
I am not sure of what to do too help you at this time My phone is taped as well and the reason being because I married an ex -convict and when the beatings started I wound up putting him out . You kind of caught me off guard and I'm in the middle of waitng too go too court and dealing with the fact I have too start all over again. If I find something I will contact you then but then too I maynot have access too the net either cause the phones in his name. Shame you help people on their feet and they doo things too get out of helping you. I will try too find something for you until then you have too be patient just don't do things too make yourself look supicious. God Bless. Anetta

countermeasure

07-03-2005, 07:19 PM

[QUOTE=Alan Wilson]I am a gay man and have been spyed on by my neighbors for nearly 2 years since I moved into my house. I have no hard evidence of such other than hearing them outside my window and overhearing their conversations, but they seem to know things about me and know my every move within my house. I have blocked visibility in my house (there's no way they can see in my bedroom or bathroom), yet they continue to make comments to eachother about what I'm specifically doing at any given moment which leads me to suspect I am being video survellanced (I leave my house for days at a time and susupect they have broken in and placed surveillance equipment in my house). I know this is illegal (assuming they have done so). My question is, what limitations are there in counter surveillance? I don't want to break the law in trying to catch them at their own game. I intend to purchase equipment to test if my house has been "bugged" and also my own surveillance equipment to monitor my house and property. Is there any laws (California) limiting me in this activity? I intend to prosecute them if I uncover ANYTHING which I can prove they are involved in against me. I also want to record the conversations and verbal harrassment they spew at me. I have to wear earplugs in my own home just to ignore their verbal assaults and am now going to the bathroom with a blanket covering me just to assure a little privacy!! Do I have any recourse here?
[ From - COUNTERMEASURE
KNOW YOUR ENEMY
Here are some helpful websites. Please go this route before you spend alot of money on bug devices. I speak from experience and they are not helpful. The first thing I would get is a portable viedo jammer. If you go to google it will give you several listing. Type in wireless jammer. Here some other helpful websites that your enemy may be using to keep track of your every move.
www.followus.com is a website that will provide your location with just a cell phone number or just go to google and type in track cell phone.
www.netdetective will give you the scoop on anyone.
www.1stat-gps-tracking.com/ will provide your location 24 hrs a day, once this device is place on your car in a hidden place. It really depends on what type of device it is because it will also allow the eavesdropper to do survelliance also. Let me keep it simple, they don't have come in your house. The eavesdropper can just use a gps tracking device to perform electronic harrassment and view everything about life while you are in your car, shopping, what restarant you like to eat at, whereever you go, friends, family, it doesn't matter it is at full view for your enemy and their friends,and not mention your phone conversation, they can hace full view of the inside of your house online and it does not matter what room you are in, and yes the camera they use today are xray and at it doesn't make any difference if you have the lights off. Please keep in mind that there are different types of bugs, gps devices, phone bugs, wireless camera before you spend alot of money to get a bugsweep. I personally, think that the bug stuff is just a big rip off. If you go to google and type in gps tracking, and different types of phone bugs. you will also find websites about this devices.
www.zabasearch.com/ will allow you to locate anyone. If you can get the physical address, then there is a high chance that you can get their email address and this is where the hard part is getting the evidence. Alan, you are rigth you will get into trouble for breaking into another person's home. So, the next thing to do if you have the available funds and know who the individual is that is attacking you in any kind of way. Take the time to get all of his or her information. If you can locate a email address, that is the beginning of a case. Because all computers keeps information, even after you delete it and that is what you need. The next step is to hired someone to get the possible information legally if you know who your suspect migth be. It took me forever, to get this information. Because of electronic harrassment, lies and severe damage to my reputation, lost of jobs, friends, love ones. I am sending this information to share with anyone who is a victim and whatever you do, do not give up. Figth back and as long as we help each other we will get through this. I am in financial crisis, due to this cruel game, emotionally mad, and yes, I am tired. I also deal with this issue alone at this time because it hard to get people to believe you. Especially, your family without the evidence. It's hard to prove, keep a cool head, get as much information that you can. I have a GOD. and I believe he let this happen to me for a reason, even if it is to help other people. I'm not scare, I'm not worry, and don't you be because this is what they want. I just want anyone that has a hatred heart to do this type of crime to another human being to be put away. Just keep letting them play their sick game because sooner or later. It will somehow come to front, in the open because evil cannot last forever the end must come. I don't know how but it will and may take a few people like us to make a change before it happens. Keep sharing your information and keep letting people know even if they think you are crazy atleast someone knows. Remember this, not one us should the object of another person's sick game. The last time I check, I don't recall being anyone's toy. If I have to live my every waking moment, to get my life back or just to help someone with the same problem, then this is what I will do. It's wrong and it is not even human to want to do this to another person.. ..........countermeasure against the evil one until we meet again. GOD BlESS!!!!!!

cactus jack

07-03-2005, 07:39 PM

Now, if only more than one of those links worked.... :rolleyes:

countermeasure

07-03-2005, 07:48 PM

Are you referring to countermeasure. All of the links work. Try going to google and typing in wireless jammer, or gps tracking, different types of bugs. I'm not sure what problem you are having. I pull the information up everyday. Make sure that you are going to your address bar which is located under the Menu bar. I hope this is helpful.

countermeasure

07-03-2005, 07:53 PM

www.grandtrades.net/ prevent spying with wireless camera
www.globalgadgetuk.com prevent of spying with wireless camera
www.spy-cam-security.com spying devices that your enemy may use to get the scoop on you.
www.netdetective/ software that enemy can use to get the scoop on you without you knowing.
www.spyzilla.com/ spying devices that your enemy may use
www.zabasearch.com locate anyone with the free directory website.
LocationTag LT100/ gps tracking device that can be use with cellphone or online this could be another device being use to snoop on you 24 hours a day. I believe that the viedo jammer may help with this. What do you think ? you have to go to this website. I get piss off just thinking that anyone can have access to this device. http://www.allitgo.com/docs/LT100SaleSheet.pdf
x10.com/ provide wireless cameras that will let you see through your neighbor's wall and it doesn't matter if it's dark. They have any type camera you want to do the dirty work. I know all of this is out there and the only device, that I could come up with is the wireless portable viedo jammer. Good luck, everyone and share some info if you have some. It is time for the sick game to be over. Need more information, send me a email.......and please give this information to anyone that my be the victim of this awful joke.
www.haltabuse.org/ cyberstalking laws for each state.
www.paramountzone.com/voice_changer.htm /voice changer- anyone can call and pretend that he or she is another person
www.livejournal.com/ will provide you with radar jammers
www.tscm.com/typebug.html
[url]www.max-info.com/crime/bug.html If you don't know anything about bugs, I think that both of these websites may be helpful.
www.intuitivestudies.com/investigation/page18.html/ phone bug -small device that is hidden but can be dangerous.
www.vetronix.com/ Find out if your car has an EDR
www.ripe.net/ locate ip's address. Do you want to know where the email address is coming from try this website.

cactus jack

07-04-2005, 03:45 AM

cactus jack

07-04-2005, 04:03 AM

There are a number of methods to bug your house. Transmitters, recorders, and outright bugs.

What I have seen done is the use of a small handheld am-fm radio and a music source. But that only works if the signal is transmitted. Most of the inexpensive transmitters use either am or fm on the same frequency spectrum that you can find on the small radio. That's why you don't use a separate radio, because some stations transmit on multiple frequencies, whether intentional or not. If you are scanning through the frequencies and find the music or whatever playing on the air, you've located the frequency of the transmitter. You then walk around to locate where you get the strongest signal, and that tells you where the bug is.

If possible, get one of the older radio scanners. Those get frequencies your handheld radio won't cover, thus increasing your chances of finding a transmitter.

Unfortunately thee are a multitude of bugs that could be used. Some use voice vibration through walls. This one is what it sounds like you have. No way to find that, though if you have an approximate location, you can take a small cheap speaker headset, remove the foam ear pieces, and tape the speakers to the wall. Then play at low volume whatever you want. Low enough that you can barely hear it, though a vibration bug can.

Look around your place and check for anything that isn't yours or doesn't look familar. Especially in the bathroom, near the phone, near the sitting area, near lamps and pictures, etc. If you find anything, take note of where it is.

Check around your place and look for anything on the walls or ceiling that you don't recognize. Like holes or off-color dimples that you don't remember seeing before. If possible get a "blacklight", or Ultraviolet light and turn it on. The UV light will change the colors of everything in the room, and very very rarely can they insert or add anything to the walls or ceiling and have it match the paint or wall paper exactly. The UV light will detect the difference. This method finds stuff like camera lens. With today's technology, it's amazing what they can put in there. If you find anything, take note of what it is and where and then put a piece of masking or electrical tape over it. That makes it unusable.

Don't know if those can help you, but it's something. I covered the two most likely bugs you could be dealing with along with actual physically intrusive devices.

But if you find something, notify your landlord and the police immediately and file a report. You should then have the proof to back your side of the story.

Hope that helps you!

trustie

07-05-2005, 04:18 AM

cactus jack

07-05-2005, 06:50 AM

Trustie, can you prove any of this? If so, tell your landlord. Also, whatever happened to telling your neighbors "shut up and leave me and my family alone"? Sometimes you have to force people to respect your privacy by confronting them directly.

What you will find is that the very people that invade your personal privacy limits are very insecure with their own lives. They feel safe in intruding on other peoples rights. I am sure everyone has been there before- neighbor that must know everything about you when it's really none of their business.

Trustie, this is no doubt going to ruffle the admin feathers, but I think that if your neighbor continues this, just confront them. Tell him/her "hey, leave me alone. Leave my family alone. Just plain leave us alone or else." And document it. then if they continue it should give you more of a foundation to base charges of harassment on.

I have seen in a few instances where the cops can't do anything because the people being harassed never told the people to stop. Somehow it's expected that they just will. People aren't like that. You have to tell them to stop. Then if they don't then you have rights you can enforce, whereas before you didn't.

countermeasure

07-05-2005, 05:06 PM

These are the results I got back from the urls, countermeasure-

www.grantrades.net - "http://www.grantrades.net could not be found. Please check the name and try again."

www.followus.com - Invalid site, currently held by Godaddy.com

www.globalgadetuk.com - "http://www.globalgadetuk.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again."

www.spy-cam-security.com - Good site, have it bookmarked

www.netdetective - Good site, have it bookmarked

www.spyzilla.com - Good site, have it bookmarked

www.zabasearch.com - Good site, have it bookmarked

www.1stat-gps-tracking.com - "http://www.1stat-gps-tracking.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again."

I have particular interest in several of these, sadly the ones I really want aren't working. How long until they are?

Sorry, major typo, on the website for www.1st-at-gps-tracking.com and we all know just one little mistake can cause big problems. I also left a letter out of www.grandtrades.net. I did check www.followus.com again and it came up just fine. I do know something about computers and sound like this website is being hijacked it can cause you to go to a different website other than the one you are looking for. If you haven't done a window update, then I would update as soon as possible and scan with adaware or spybot for the removal of possible viruses. If you go to google and type adaware or spybot it should take you to the website. When your computer has spyware it will allow your website to be hijacked, so you want to take care of the problem rigth away. Thank you for extra information on the bug devices.

cactus jack

07-05-2005, 08:44 PM

Ok, all looks good except for one, and I have my security system running a check. Thanks for the warning!

idalis

07-10-2005, 02:13 PM

Angry falsely arrested.
i live in the state of california in los angeles county, my roomate and I moved into an apartment building in the San Fernando Valley, and have been subject to racial harrassment right from the start. my roomate has a 7 year old daugther, who is the only kid in the building on july 1st, 2005, I was outside our apt. door gathering up my roomie's kid's toys, and another tenant in the building was VIDEOTAPING US AND AIMING THE CAMERA INSIDE OF OUR APARTMENT. I then asked him what he was doing, and he came towards me with the camera saying that he is recording the child , and I respondended saying that's illlegal, and what child pedophiles and molesters do. he said well this is a public place and I said not our apartment.

Then all of a sudden 7 other white tenants surround me along with the guy with the recorder, outside of my apt. door. and began calling me ni$%er bi#$%es and that they were going to kick my n*$&er a$$. since I was surrounded, I was unable to flee. Then one of the whitewomen with the angry white mob went to attack me saying bit#* I will get in your face and kick your n*%&er a&&. I then quickely raised my hands up in defense since Iam in fear of my life and safety. They called the police on me and I was arrested, never given any opportunity to tell my side of what truly happend. while in police custody, I was denied food and medication, which caused me to go into diabetic shock and had to be transported to emergency.

we are the only colored people in the building, which was rented to us by the owner and not the manager, who is openly racist. Had we known the whole building was this way, we would have never moved in.

what is self defense under california law? and my civil and other rights? sombody please help.

idalis

07-10-2005, 02:16 PM

idalis

07-11-2005, 01:19 AM

idalis

07-13-2005, 01:05 AM

Hi Allan
I understand your situation. My neighbour also talked behind my family with others neighbours because we just move here. They also keep knocking on the wall (we lived in townhouse) everytime we make noise even when we were cooking or cutting foods. It's very uncomfortable when you live in your own house bt u can barely make a move or sound.(y'all get what i mean?)
What can i do or should i call the cops?

:mad: [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS] i have similar situation but mines is worse. but as far as your harrassers. you can call the cops, if they don't do anything, record everything that goes on. if it was me, i would bam back on the wall especially if the police and or the manager refused to assist. i would also let her know that i will be recording all of her harrassment against me. for future legal action.

salem418

07-19-2005, 08:09 AM

Androo

07-25-2005, 04:21 AM

Hello everyone,
First of all,thank you very much for the useful info and links.
I've recently discovered I am being gangstalked. Things have been pretty strange in my life for the past few years and but at least now I have a better idea as to why. I don't know exactly why I'm being gangstalked,but I do know it is based on lies and malicious perpetuated by an ex-girlfriend who has successfully made my life more difficult than need be.I'm in the process of doing something about this but this is very difficult.
For more info see : gangstalking.ca
It's pretty disturbing stuff...but at least you will know that you are not alone.
I wish everyone the best of luck in finding peace in their lives.
Greetings,
Andrew

tryingtofightback

08-03-2005, 10:28 PM

I know what your are going through. My original stalkers are a large corporation in San Diego that has a history of harrassing people. I did not fit in with those nazi's and as a result I got "black listed" from just about the entire planet. 'They' have broke into my car,truck and house. 'They' follow me everwhere I go and slander me. This has been going on for about two years. This has taken place in three different states and one other country. It is now apparent that 'they' have invited corporate America into this witch hunt as well ie: nation wide health club and financial institutions. 'They' also recruit neighbors strangers and even a postal worker. 'They' know every conversation that I have and know where I'm going before I even get there. 'They' have even used some form of electronic harrassment on me. 'They' leave trash on my car, make lots of wrong number calls, do drive by digital picture taking and even street theatre. I do have some proof of criminal wrongdoing and I hope to take them to court some day. We who are in the targeted community need to get together and take these stalkers down one at a time.

harrasedinmn

08-08-2005, 03:12 PM

I have asked a local news station to cover mine and others story. I am not from MN, but moved here approx. 4 years ago. I have been harrassed and slandered by my immediate neighbors since we moved in, they have even approached my son and tried to invite him into their house and offered candy if he would come until I caught them. They have been caught in my garage, looking through my mail, and breaking into my fence in my backyard. But it is their word against mine. My husband and I just lost a HRO hearing because of lack of evidence. We spent $2K on court and legal fees, $1.4K on a security system, but now they are vandalizing other houses in the neighborhood (who they call their freinds) and calling the police and saying they saw me or my husband doing it. My situation is not unusual and it is very difficult to get these things approved in courts. However, I am also worried about what they will do next, now that they "won". I don't know how to legally take the offensive, my attorney does not want to do an appeal because he doesn't think the MN appellate court is tolerant of Harrassment appeals. I have never experienced adults behaving like this - especially ones that are not related to each other. I find it hard to believe that I am their only victim, but how to do I find out who else they have harrassed?

tryingtofightback

08-08-2005, 07:44 PM

I see clearly now that in my particular situation I am going to have to join forces with others who are being harrassed by these goofballs. If I had others in a like situation it would be quit easy to gather more evidence. I am curious...you took them to court and it was not successful...what sort of proof did you have that you presented to the court (if you don't mind me asking)? I do have some proof but I think that this corporation will fight me tooth and nail in court but seeing as they won't go away it is what I must do.

harrasedinmn

08-09-2005, 11:46 AM

tryingtofightback

08-17-2005, 05:35 PM

Investigate them and their families. Go to [url]www.zabasearch.com and gain knowledge of them in a general sense. Provoke them indirectly and get them to retaliate in which you already have a trap set for them. I hate myself for thinking like them but I will try to catch them in a criminal act against me and that will be the end to their crimes against humanity!!!! FIGHT fire with fire....but make it legal!!!!!

cactus jack

08-17-2005, 09:21 PM

Good move, Trying. So good in fact that it could be considered stalking.

johnson06

08-18-2005, 04:44 AM

my 10 year old daughter went to school with a neighbor that lives 2 houses down from me,both girls were in the same class,when my daughters friend,heidi, came to my house right before christmas crying,my 15 year old daughter let her in,called me on my cell and i went ahead and said let her stay there until i got home,
when my husband and i got home,i talked to her about what was going on,come to find out her dad and g-friend split up and her dad,,bob, could not handle it.after she left a few minutes later he came over and talked to me,this was on dec 9 2004,he would call me numerous times a day,come over and talk,i wouldnt turn him away because he kept talking about sucide,and i felt to bad for him.i finally met his ex g-friend and talked to her for a few minutes,the reason she left was bob had a convicted child molester living there,2 houses down from me!!!she as well had other kids from a previous marriage.
Bob told me things i didnt want to hear,that he was stalking her,stealing her trash, following her wherever she went.i thought with time he would get over her and move on.On feb 4 2005 i went shopping with my 4 year old daughter,bob pulled up next to me without thinking to much he walked into walmart with me and my daughter,,sfter a few minutes there he got a call,he was a tow truck driver and had to go,,so i went down a few isles and there stood bob watching me,i got so scared and walked away. a few nights later he kept calling and i would not answer the phone,my husband caught him looking in my windows at 11:30 at night, he was told to knock it off and leave me alone,at almost 2 am same night i couldnt sllep and was on the phone with my mom,as i was walking to my kitchen there stood bob again watching me i screamed so loud i woke my children up.of course my husband went over there and had a blow out.Ever since that night it has been pure hell.He now has a new g-friend,who used to be a nurse had her lic. take away
due to her stealing drugs from the hospital and some sex stuff,
on my daughters b-day she showed her breast to 22 kids and 14 adults.she taunts us everyday,it is so bad that my kids are now going to go to a different school.she has p.p.o on me due to nothing but lies,i have a p.p.o on her,we go to court on aug.29th.
i just came acroos some strong evisence that will help me out in the long run,but it has taken its toll on me and my family..BUT my whole point to this was the police told me to keep a log on all events.it really does help.
so when ever there is an event i jot it down and refer back when needed.

cactus jack

08-18-2005, 10:44 PM

Ideas-

1. File a report with the police and have it as detailed and truthful as possible.
2. Buy a gun and ammo.
3. Get certified training with that gun.
4. Get a concealed carry permit (CCW).

I commen you for your open heart. Maybe it was a good idea, because now you know the kind of trash that's in your neioghborhood. But at the same time you may have endangered yourself. I strongly suggest you discuss this with a detective ASAP.

johnson06

08-19-2005, 05:10 PM

i have a shot gun--lol---but not ready to learn how to use it,i am praying that
this situation isnt going to come to that.
i hires a lawyer to go to court with me on the 29th,,im hopiing this will quite things down,,didnt relize how much harrassment was out there,,wow

cactus jack

08-19-2005, 07:39 PM

I hope you don't either. I know I would without any reservation if I was in the spot you described. I have no mercy for pedophiles. I have this thing about the Holy Bible- when Jesus said stone'em, I agree. The Nigerian way. Bury him up to his armpits and start tossing rocks.
In my not so humble and very vulgar opinion, that is.

tryingtofightback

08-21-2005, 01:57 PM

I agree buy a gun get a concealed weapon permit. If your traveling out of state check with them and see what your permit can and can't do. By the way "Cactus Jack" I don't ever recall jesus ever recomending anyone to be stoned. If you want to quote scripture fine...but atleast quote correctly...be not so bold to add or subtract from the good book least you be smiten!

johnson06

08-29-2005, 02:59 AM

thanks so much for your input,,,we got court this afternoon,so i am praying that the judge sees her harrassment and throws out her crap,,these people are a trip,my son fell off his bike yesterday,and they stood there and laughed.i was so mad that i couldnt say anything to them,over this weekend it has been hell.they kept calling my 4 year old daughter a f___ brat,,after about 3x i got sick of it and took her in the house,kid couldnt even ride her bike.welp wish me luck,ill post tonight.

sicktiredandexhusted

01-24-2006, 03:59 PM

You ask if I had evidence, yes and no. I did not call the police all the time because it seemed a little ridiculous to call the police and say someone was calling your names. They never hurt my son, just terrorized him and showed up at his school in the parking lot. Also, if I caught them on my property they would deny it to the police, even pictures don't hold up in court. My problem wasn't that they actually denied everything, my problem in court was that they played a sympathy card "we are neighbors and we have kids the same age, we just want our kids to play nice together, we don't understand why she doesn't like us. Yes, she asked us to leave [several times], but we don't understand why? We just want to be friends . . . ." The problem was they don't have kids the same age (they lied), etc. Many judges do not like harrassment restraining orders, especially between family members and neighbors. The judge told me that my case was "the most ridiculous waste of his time" and that I should just learn to get along with people. My attorney kept me from completely dictating the 8 pages of small type documented evidence because if the judge didn't authorize the order then I couldn't use the remaining material when I refiled.

Just last weekend, someone mysteriously broke all the lawn sprinkler heads on the neighbor's friend's houses. Guess who got blamed for it. Yep, me! So they have switched tactics to vandalizing other's homes and blaming it on me. I am taking the offensive. I live in a beautiful home that I am forced to move out of - much earlier than I had expected - and my son is afraid to ride his bike or even be in the backyard because of the "bad" neighbors. They knew everything about me (because he had stolen my mail and stalked me), now I know everything about them, including where they work by paying a PI service. I don't have to do anything illegal, I can just be aware and be prepared to tape, photograph, and record all activity so I have a 1) video camera 2) a realator that asked for name and address verification - via driver's license - before making appts to see my home 3) I have had the security team at my work search phone and email records to ensure who has had communication with them so I can avoid or be aware. I am also attempting to find out where they used to live. I have a hard time believing their activities have been dedicated soley to me.

I know that has a professional woman who owns and managed two successful businesses, I don't have a lot of spare time and I will not allow them to ruin any more of my sleep or hurt my businesses. My son is another matter, he has nightmares.

Friends and family who have never had this happen to them immediately blame the victim (what has she done to deserve this? This can't possibly be true, nobody acts that way!) It's hard and frustrating. I am still petitioning a local news station to report on this type of harrassment and why the courts don't grant the restraining orders. I will eventually win and be better off, it just seems a long, expensive time to wait. To further complicate things, I live in "Minneosta Nice", where people just don't want to get involved, avoid direct conflict at all costs, and seem to forget unpleasant occasions, so everyone else in my neighborhood just turns their head when something happens.

I wish I had some legal way to intimidate them right back! Since my existence in this world seems to be their problem, if I could safely and legally make my existence bug them even more, so they would move, that would make the last Christmas gift I would ever ask for!

Sicktireandexhusted
boy do i know how you feel I have a piece of property my neighbor wants and seems she will stop at nothing to get it because we do not want to sell because it was purchased for my daughters to build a house on. Our home is 100 yrs old and my husband work 60+ hrs a wk just to keep us above water and is 40% disabled and I was put out of work 3 yrs ago do to lupus and fibro myalga and have been fighting for SSI since then. So our house does need some work and it is hard for us to do it and right now there is no money thanks to the way SS likes to do people that apply. Anyway they city just keeps hounding us week after week and I'm like what the problem you are not after any one else in the neighborhood and he kind of nods next door, well I knew that because she watches every move I make. If I go out to hang out clothes she has her noise to the windo taking pictures, if we go outside she is outside or at the window taking pictures. If I leave the house she is watching at the front window when I leave and when I get home, she watches me through my kitchen window. And of course the city said they couldn't say who had been making the complaints. This has been going on for over a year and I have been in court every few months with the last date being on Dec 21 and to my surprise she was there. I was not told she was going to be there so that I could call wittnesses of my own or prepair myself and she marched in liked she owed the place and when it was time for us to go up the judge didn't want to let me talk at all and every time I would try to say something he would tell me to let her finish but when I was talking she was allowed to interupt me. We have always done everything the city requested that we do within our financial means and if we didn't have the money we always got the money and done the work as soon as we got it. And here she is with this stack of picture of my house and my family about 2 feet high of course taken to her advantage, say she had been complaining since she move in 10 yrs ago (the home has been in my family for over 30 yrs) and for the past 2 1/2 yrs she had been taken pictures daily and sending them to the city every week. She has called the city with such bogus compaints as there is a rubber container under her porch, the yard needs raking, the grass needs cutting and it didn't, the kids bikes are in the bike rake, I've had to move my rubbermaid shed 4 foot away from my privacy fence that is 1 foot inside my property line but she is allowed to have a falling done shed thing with plastic hanging from it right up on my fence on my property and has her shovels and yard equipment nailed to my fence, and jasmen overtaking my fence around my rose be causing my roses to die. She has rotten wood on her but I was pulled into court and told my house would be condemed if it was not fixed in 90 days. And after all this is court that day the judge wants to know if I will allow him to trim a tree that he has been complaining about for years because the limbs hangs over in his yards a few feet and have always told him if he wanted to trim the tree he could trim it back to the fence but I was not going to pay for it because it was not touching his house. So I told the judge yes he could trim it back to the fence but I was not paying for. So the judge to him he could trim it back to the property line and no further and he wanted the city inspector to come out and supervise. Well me and my husband have been killing ourselves trying to get everything done and sunday we were outback 25 feet in they air on scaffolding and he yelled over wanting to know if he could trim some of the limbs back and I said yes you can but you have to sign a release first so he came over and signed the release and you couled tell he didn't want to because I had really covered every little detail in it. So you can see we have tried in every way to compromise with these people but sell them the property. And we the guy helping gets up the tree he starts to cut at the trunk and the tree is 5 feet inside the fence and my husband tells me to says somethings and then he yells at my husband is there a problem and my husbands says the judge said you could only cut to the property line and he goes how would you know what the judge said you weren't in court and Mark said my wife told me what he said, and then he and you don't even know were the property line in and Mark says the fence is 6 inches inside property line (but it is actually a foot) I'm not paying him to climb out on that limb and cut if you want that you can pay for and I said you are the one that wants the tree trimmed back and its not touching your house so you can pay for it if it were touching your house I would pay for it. Then he started with the cursing and things just got worse. My husband said don't talk to my wife and daughters that way and you can get off my property now. Then he told the guy you herd them they said you couldn't trim the tree and I said I told you to trim the tree to the property line like the jude said. Then one of my daughter says how can you do this after everything we did for yall my mom help your wife with your son all the time and with everything she needed and I rhode the handicape bus with your son for 6 years so kids wouldn't pick on him I even got in trouble in school taking up for him and you do this to us, you wife complains about stuff that doesn't exhist, and we had to get ride of cars that our grandfather had left us that were behind a privacy fence not bothering anyong and she kept complaining until we had to get rid of the last thing he left us. And now she is trying to take away my home that he 30 yr ago when I was 7 yrs old so I would always have a home all because she wants a piece of property. and thats not all this is when he tells my 15 and 19 yr old "girls" to shut up , FAT A$$, FU@$ YOU, AND TO SIT AND SPIN ON HIS MIDDLE FINGER. This from a 40 yr old man running out of my yard because my husband is now telling my girls to call the police and is coming down the ladders as fast as he can with bad knees. And I'm just the police won't do anything because he won't anser the door as usual when they do somehting like that just go to the magistrate. Well welcome to America we people can come on your property curse out your teenage daughters, harrass you to the point you are spending 1000's mo on Med's and on the verg of a nervous break down, and it seems like the city and the government is behaind them or they have sold their souls to the devil in return for everything they want. And you cant find a VA lawayer to take a liability harrassment case or any harrassment case, and the magistrate says there is nothing you can do. I'm in despirate need of information or a nearby lawyer willing to take the case. Good luck to everyone out there with a neighbor like these and my daily thoughts and prayers you all

foonchie

04-23-2006, 09:40 AM

battlefatigue

04-23-2006, 09:51 PM

Call the police and make a complaint. You may be a hate crime victim. They can check your home, assuming you have a modern police department, to see if there are bugs and check your belief that your home was invaded in yout absence. Also, there may be a local nuisance ordinance and if you are being talked about so you can hear it that close, file a complaint as the neighbors creating a nuisance to deter from your peaceful enjoyment. The police are to serve and protect, and if they are not reasonable, try the local district attorney, then state attorney general's office.
I HAD THREE GUNS. BEAUTIFUL GUNS TOO. I WAS WATCHED, LISTENED TO, TRACKED SO WELL (BECAUSE IT WAS GOING ON FOR SO LONG--THE LONGER IT GOES ON, THE MORE PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED, THE DEEPER EMBEDDED INTO YOUR LIFE THEY GET) THAT IT WASN'T LONG BEFORE THE GUNS WERE GONE. SURE, I'D HIDE THEM,BUT WHEN YOU HAVE NO PRIVACY (CAN'T EVEN TAKE A **** WITHOUT BEING WATCHED) IT'S HARD TO HIDE THINGS AND EXPECT ANYTHING THAT WOULD HELP YOU TO STILL BE THERE WHEN YOU RETURN. I WENT TO THE ATTY GENERAL'S OFFICE ... NOTHING; I WENT TO THE DA...NOTHING. I WENT TO THE FBI...NOTHING. THE POLICE? GIMME A BREAK! THEY'RE IN ON IT. THE FIRST SARGEANT TOLD ME TO PACK UP AND RUN BECAUSE 'IT' WAS BIGGER THAN BOTH OF US. THE NEXT OFFICER TREATED ME LIKE **** AND LAUGHED AT ME. THE THIRD ONE TOLD ME TO GET A RESTRAINING ORDER...OH YEAH, THAT REALLY HELPED ME. THE FOURTH, FIFTH AND SIXTH OFFICER SAID NOTHING AND DID NOTHING. THEN I TRIED THE SHERIFFS, BUT THEY JUST LISTENED, ASKED QUESTIONS AND CARRIED ON WITH THIER DAY. SOMETHING BIG GOVERNS EVERYONE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE LAW HAS THE EX FELONS DOING **** TO PEOPLE, CUZ ALOT OF TIMES THE PEOPLE ACTED LIKETHEY DIDN'T WANNA DO IT, OR THE DRUG LORDS HOLD OUT UNLESS THE ADDICT COMMITS THE CRIME .. WHICH IS TO VICTIMIZE SOMEONE...OR IF THE OFFICERS THEMSELVES ARE UNDER SOMETHING LARGER THAN THEM. I OFTEN THOUGHT THE MOB WAS WORKING WITH THE COPS. I MEAN, IF I WERE A COP, CHANCES ARE I WOULDN'T WANNA PISS THE MOB OFF EITHER, YOU KNOW?

battlefatigue

04-23-2006, 10:21 PM

idalis Angry falsely arrested.
i live in the state of california in los angeles county, my roomate and I moved into an apartment building in the San Fernando Valley, and have been subject to racial harrassment right from the start. my roomate has a 7 year old daugther, who is the only kid in the building on july 1st, 2005, I was outside our apt. door gathering up my roomie's kid's toys, and another tenant in the building was VIDEOTAPING US AND AIMING THE CAMERA INSIDE OF OUR APARTMENT. I then asked him what he was doing, and he came towards me with the camera saying that he is recording the child , and I respondended saying that's illlegal, and what child pedophiles and molesters do. he said well this is a public place and I said not our apartment.

Then all of a sudden 7 other white tenants surround me along with the guy with the recorder, outside of my apt. door. and began calling me ni$%er bi#$%es and that they were going to kick my n*$&er a$$. since I was surrounded, I was unable to flee. Then one of the whitewomen with the angry white mob went to attack me saying bit#* I will get in your face and kick your n*%&er a&&. I then quickely raised my hands up in defense since Iam in fear of my life and safety. They called the police on me and I was arrested, never given any opportunity to tell my side of what truly happend. while in police custody, I was denied food and medication, which caused me to go into diabetic shock and had to be transported to emergency.

we are the only colored people in the building, which was rented to us by the owner and not the manager, who is openly racist. Had we known the whole building was this way, we would have never moved in.

what is self defense under california law? and my civil and other rights? sombody please help.
THAT IS SO ****TY WHEN SOMEONE HAS OTHERS DO HIS DIRTY WORK FOR HIM. NOT THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN TREATED LIKETHAT BY ALL MEANS, IT'S THAT HE SET YOU UP FROMTHE GATE. WHAT A PIECE OF****. ALL OF THEM. I HAVE NO OPINION ON THE RIGHTS AND ALL THAT. SOMETIMES IT'S BEST TO GET THE HELL AWAY FROM THE EVIL, THE DARKNESS. LIGHT A CANDLE ASKING GOD (JESUS) TO WRAP YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES IN THE ROBE HE WORE; TO KEEP YOU INVISIBLE FROM YOUR ENEMIES; TO NOT ALLOW YOUR BLOOD TO BE SHED AND TO COVER YOU WITH HIS CLOAK/ROBE SO THEY CANNOT SEE YOU OR GET TO YOU. I KNOW THAT MIGHT SOUND WACKY, BUT I CAN TELL YOU IT WORKS. SOMETIMES, YOU NEED TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THE SITUATION. PERIOD. REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THE SITUATION. GOD. I WISH I'D HAD LISTENED TO THAT WHEN IT WAS TOLD TO ME. I DIDN'T. I HAD TO GO THROUGH A LONG TIME OF HELL AND HAD I NOT WRITTEN THIS TO YOU, I' WOULD HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT I TOO WAS TOLD THAT BUT NEVER LISTENED. SO , I GUESS I WAS HELPED BY WRITING THIS TO YOU. I HOPE YOU ARE TOO. YOUR CHILD AND YOU AND ROOMIE NEED TO MOVE UP OUT OF THAT DARK, EVIL, PLACE WHERE SATAN OBVIOUSLY GOVERNS. IT'S APPARENT YOU DON'T BELONG THERE, AND YOU CERTAINLY DO NOT NEED TO FEEL ASHAMED. MOVE OUT AS QUICKLY AND QUIETLY AS POSSIBLE. PERIOD. JUST DO IT. ASK GOD TO WRAP YOU UP, PROTECT YOU, NOT LET YOU BE SEEN, AND TO PUT A BETTER HOME IN FRONT OF YOU...AND QUICK. GOOD LUCK.

SunnyCaliGal

05-18-2006, 06:05 PM

SAME HERE.

Alan, I am receiving the same problems here in California too. I have these two new tenants who moved next door to me on both sides of me. They're just WEIRD. One apartment has two looney college guys living in it. And the other apartment has some punk girl with all these weird, hostile, rough type friends. Anytime I'm on the phone, I can hear someone rustling outside my door. When I go to check who's standing outside my door for so long, I witness two guys and the punk girl EAVESDROPPING at my door!

And these two guys go around discussing me to security guards and neighbors. They act overly friendly with security and neighbors, as if they don't want anyone to think they're weird. Anytime I stand at my door or walk by my door within my own apartment (the doors are cardboard thin) and if these neighbors happen to be walking toward our apartments, they start uttering profanity and deragotory comments in regards to me and my apartment for standing at my door. I pay rent here. I can stand or walk toward my door if I want to. It's ILLEGAL for them to be LOITERING in the hallway all the time, causing a disturbance and eavesdropping. It's harassing.

Now I always have to whisper when I'm on the phone because EVERY single time they can hear me talking, they start eavesdropping. And then they discuss it with each other. I don't know why. I never talk about them, but maybe they seem to think that I am. I've never spoken about them to anybody. And I only informed building management as a RESULT of these odd behaviors.

I mean they've even stalked me to the stores and looked through my trash! The convenince store guy was asking all these odd questions about myself and I just asked him, "Did someone ask you these questions about me? Is that why you're asking me all this?"

And looking through my trash? That's disgusting! If you're willing to put up with the smell JUST to look through a someone's trash, there's something oddly wrong with you.

Why they have so much interest in me boggles my mind. I have no clue as to why they PAY SO MUCH ATTENTION TO MY APARTMENT.

The punk girl's friends have even slept outside my door waiting for her when she's not home! I called building management and asked them how the hell they got in the building, especially when there's supposed to be security on gaurd and they're supposed to come in using the intercom. I mean, don't they CALL her to see if she's home instead of waiting outside our doors like that all the time?? It's odd. I mean they sit or sleep right at my door. So they can hear what's going on in my apartment. And there's so much traffic coming in and out of her door.

Now she's got this crazy chic who's been making death threats against me towards my door! I even asked this punk girl why her friends are having so much animosity towards me at my door and she keeps denying it.

All three of these tenants continuosly discuss me and I don't even know them! I've barely had a conversation with them for longer than a minute at a time in passing. They're always SLANDERING me to neighbors!

I never even see them when I come and go. The only time I notice them is when they're standing outside my door. So I have two crazy guys living on one side of me. And I have volatile, hostile neighbors on the other. This is great! I'm just enjoying this! Get to even have the added bonus of the two crazy guys slandering me to neighbors. They don't even know me! They've hardly ever even spoken to me! And I don't want to either. It's just harassing.

And I know they're eavesdropping on me through the walls. Cause everytime I talk on the phone they'll tap or bang on the wall near where I'm sitting and talking. Or they'll start laughing or discussing something I said outside my door.

I never use to be this alert about my neighbors outside my door before. But now I have to keep checking my peephole to see if they're standing there listening in on me.

Sometimes, they won't even stand right in front of my door. Because both their doors almost touch my door. They just stand in front of their own doors, pretending to unlock it, and just stand there for a long time to see if I'm having a conversation on the phone or whether I'm home. I NEVER WOULD EVEN DARE GO NEAR ANOTHER NEIGHBOR'S DOOR OR STAND OUTSIDE OF IT FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER! IT'S ILLEGAL!

They talk about me in the hallways with other neighbors as if I'm the weird one! I never use to care what was going on outside my apartment until these new neighbors had these ODD BEHAVIORS and discussions outside my door!

One time one of the guys next door was having some secret discussion with the crazy friend of the punk girl at her door. The crazy friend heard my footsteps and she said, "She's listening at the door! We can't talk right now!" Why would you care if someone is standing inside their OWN DOOR? You shouldn't be doing all these attention getting antics outside someone else's door anyway! When I was watching from the peephole (which I never use to do until these neighbors moved in) I noticed the guy was asking the crazy chic for something. And then when they heard my footsteps, they immediately ended the conversation and the crazy chic shut her door. Then I saw the guy turn toward my door to hear if I was standing or walking around near my door, which I was, and he says, "S***! D***! Oh, no!" And then he goes inside his apartment uttering the "F" word as if he just got CAUGHT DOING SOMETHING HE WASN'T SUPPOSED TO DO. (These walls are paper thin, by the way, and these tenants are LOUD.) Why would you care so much if a neighbor is standing at their door so much? It's my apartment! Of course, neighbors have a right to check who's outside their apartment making a ruckus for their own security! I've heard them walk towards and standing at their door TOO checking through THEIR OWN peephole when I come and go from the apartment. Even eavesdrop on normal conversations I have in the hallway with neighbors!

One of the guys use to just come out of his apartment everytime I would, and just walk by and do nothing in the hallway. He'd just look at me strangely and say "hi." He'd just walk to the window at the other end of the hallway, around the corridor. I've even caught him and his roommate tampering and reading personal notes, letters and packages left at my door! And he'd be like, "I don't even know what she gets delivered to her!" Uh, why the hell does he want to know?? FYI, it's supplies for my home and my dog.

They're just WEIRD! I feel like I'm being stalked. These new tenants just have odd behaviors and are overly concerned over my apartment. It's like they're obsessed with me or my apartment. I can't even walk around, cook or go to the bathroom (which is near the front door) without them checking to see what I'm doing or if I'm home.

It doesn't necessarily have to be that they're attracted to me or anything (although I'm not bad looking). It could be for any reason. It could be because I'm ethnic (i don't have any cultural rituals going on in my apartment though). It could be because I'm young looking. It could be because I'm just a single, female and they just choose me to harass. Maybe they're just pathetically bored and this is their way of having ODD fun!

Because this IS harassing! It's a disturbance, greatly annoying, and making me nervous and anxious as hell! My two previous neighbors were so normal and we all minded our own business! NOW, I have to tiptoe in my apartment.

You don't know WHAT crazies are living next door to you! They could act very normal and even be overly friendly, but it's a cover up. These new tenants just seem SHADY. Very sneaky and obviously snoopy! I live in an urban area, so I guess you have to expect odd neighbors like this once in a while. I MISS MY OLD NEIGHBORS THOUGH! I would do ANYTHING for them to come back!

ALSO, these new tenants complained about my dog howling when there's atleast 20 other dogs in the building howling and barking! They blast their music and they're complaining about my TINY dog?? Give me a break! It's just another form of harassment. She's probably the quietest dog in the building! Her howling is not even often.

These people really need to get a life! IT'S AN INVASION OF PRIVACY AND MY LEGAL RIGHT TO QUIET. They're really something. How dare they. Who the hell do they think they are? WHAT'S THEIR PROBLEM?? If it's not one thing, it's another. They're just psycho. Talk about crazy people. It's like they have this ODD OBESSESSION OVER ME AND MY APARTMENT! They should mind their business! God, leave me alone! It's just ODD!!! Freaky neighbors! And they're freakin me out! It's just creepy. Not to mention malicious. I've been living in my building longer than them, so what right do THEY have to spy on ME! I don't care WHAT you do in your apartment, but keep it inside! Don't bug me! :eek: :confused: :mad: :(

battlefatigue

06-01-2006, 06:34 PM

SunnyCaliGal

06-01-2006, 08:01 PM

Hi BattleFatigue,

The two guys moved in about 2-3 months earlier than the punk girl. They became friends almost immediately once the punk girl first moved in. I think she deals drugs with them. She was even stupid enough to offer drugs to our security gaurds! I mean I know people in my area can be seedy, but this is ridiculous.

Well, there's somewhat good news. Due to a long certified letter I sent to building management detailing all the odd behaviors and constantly keeping them up to date on all the weird things her friends did in our hallway and much persistance as well as filing for restraining orders and calling the police, I finally got her kicked out of the building (this was actually her second eviction; first one had nothing to do with me; second one had to do with my complaints and mainly the fact that she was allowing alot of illegal tenants in her apt; no doubt there was drug activity).

Turns out EVERYONE in the building, I find out later, thought her and her friends were real odd. Now the only thing I have to worry about his her and her friends retaliating in some way. I have to keep watching my back everywhere I go, especially in the car (which is harder to avoid stalkers and dangers in). I'm always fearing that they will shoot me. If they do such a thing, police will already be aware of the dispute between the punk girl and I as well as the restraining orders and she will immediately be considered a suspect as well as her crazy friends. My family will also file a huge major lawsuit against the building owners if anything should happen to me because they were the ones responsible for moving in these people and were notified numerous times of the harassment and illegal activity going on in their building. People are not allowed to move in without background checks either and they allowed illegal tenancy after being notified for months.

If any one of them or their friends ever read these posts of mine, just by chance, I hope they get the hint that I will do everything in my power to RUIN THEIR LIVES if they do anything to me. I'm a tough little cookie and very, very intelligent. They also don't know something else about me, which I'm not going to mention on this public board. But if they knew, they'd probably smack their foreheads against a wall.

By the way, I don't know about the white supremacy, but they look like they could be a part of that. But they have a mix of friends. It doesn't matter though. People of color are always harassed over the littlest things, even when the harassers don't realize they're doing it. It's just an innate disrespect for people who look different from you. It's a form of bullying and harassment and they think they can get away with it. Some people just tend to lack a certain amount of respect towards certain types of people, whether it be because of sex, religion, race or looks or what have you.

All I know is Building Management and the Building Owners, I have begun to realize, are LIARS and not as cooperative as they SEEM. They are very SHADY. They want their profit, but at the same time they want to make everyone happy, especially themselves. In fact, they lied to me and the cops so many times when questioned in regards to this punk girl and her friends. The cops don't like them either. It's as if they're protecting her simply because she helps pay their salaries, as I do.

But let me tell you, NO ONE ELSE besides me would put up living next to these lunatics, I guarantee you. In fact, the building's business will go down because of these people. No one wants to live next to such crazy people. In fact, I'm going to spread the word on my experience here at my address. Well, I might if things turn out worse. I always advise people to notify EVERYONE publicly (family, colleagues, neighbors, newspapers, media, co-workers, goverment agencies, relatives, friends, clients, connections, etc) when they feel they are being abused by people (like doctors) or a company/business, WHOMEVER. I feel that I have a responsibility as a citizen to inform others of the nastiness of my situation and a company, particularly this building (which is in fact is a company for business).

I've been through alot in life and they picked the wrong person to step on. I'm headstrong, but I do things peacefully and calmly with a level head. I never retaliate with anger. NEVER USE ANGER AS A FORM OF RETALIATION. It messes things up.

For example, let's say your neighbor is blasting their music or tv against your wall on purpose. What do you do? NEVER REACT. Stay cool. Stay calm. Think, 'Well, hey they're wasting their electricity by retaliating against me like that. Let them do it. Let them pay expensive bills over me (and laugh). I'm not going to stoop to their childish level and waste my money over these fools.'

In the meanwhile, you do what you have to do without giving them a clue as to what you are doing to resolve this matter lawfully. Also, do your research. I think that's how I tricked these neighbors. They had no idea I was fighting back... and with such a force they got the shock of their lives. For all I know, they could be preparing to fight back. But I am fully aware of it, so I am careful and prepared.

I'm winning this battle (hopefully) because I'm doing things the right way, without using anger as a force. This emotion, any negative emotion, inhibits your success to ANYTHING, trust me. Patience is also the key to success. Never rush into things. And IGNORE, IGNORE the harassers. Because they will do everything in their power to get your attention negatively. They will try to provoke you. You be the smarter one and laugh at them. Be an adult about things.

In a way, I'm glad that my looks fool people into believing that I couldn't do anything. Because, boy, do they always get slapped in the face!

OH, and in regards to the "tweaking." Um I'm not sure about my dog acting oddly but she has very good hearing and can tell when someone is very far away from my door. But I am watching her behavior to see if she is acting oddly. Also, I do hear clicking sounds in my bathroom. The clicking sounds began when the punk girl moved in and she was doing some sort of construction in her apartment to renovate it. And I know these neighbors, both of them, especially the punk girl, have drilled holes in my wall (not all the way). I warned building management about the drilling and that I feel like they might be doing it in order to eavesdrop on me.

SunnyCaliGal

06-08-2006, 04:45 PM

I really think the BEST thing that any innocent neighbor/tenant/resident can do is GET A SECURITY CAMERA. I know this may sound far fetched and expensive to some of you, but looking at how much difficulty, time and expense goes into PROVING a case of harassment, this is really the best choice.
It is a very wise investment. Some people invest in electronic alarm systems like ADT Home Security, which is now somewhat affordable. There are security systems out there that are more affordable. But really the only safety measure you can ever do in this crime and hate filled world is to be the wise one and take the final step of RECORDING everything. And I mean everything.
You do not need to be rich to get a camera or recording device for your home. Just think of it as another necessary expense, such as insurance or a car. Or sacrifice one expense, such as your cable bill or long distance bill to be able to afford this. I don't watch tv, so I have some extra money right there to be able to afford a security camera.
Best thing is to get a security camera that can audio record. You should definitely do that. If the harassment is really bothering you or wrecking your personal life, then really, I'm sorry to say, the only thing you can do is get a audio/video security camera for your door/window.
I think everyone should do this. Imagine if every single person did this? Do you know how much crime would go down? Not to mention the decrease in the price of security cameras. And think how much happier and safer your life would be.
It's probably a ridiculous idea or too much trouble to many. But you're already going through enough trouble, expense and legal problems with these harassers. So, don't you think it would be smarter to just invest in a security camera? :o

mara426

06-24-2006, 06:38 PM

Hi Alan
It sounds like the new crime of the century "GOT YOU'....Please check this website s, the gangstalking teams are all over United States!!!! you are not alone, there's already thousands of americans suffering this atrocities, these "gangs" are supported by Dept. of Justice, private corporations, the technology that they use is far more sophisticated that you might think, they work with satellites, they can see through walls, the Government Agencies back up 100% these "domestic terrorists", they are real and they are here.......If you like to know why this is happening, below are only some of the websites, if you go to "google" and type "gangstalking" or electronic harassment you'll see you'll find answers and forums for support..

http://www.multistalkervictims.org/
Suddenly, It Has A Name: "Gang Stalking"
http://www.sbindymedia.org/newswire/display/1278/index.php
What are Psychotronics and Gang-Stalking?
http://www.democraticfundamentalism.org/2005/psychotronics/whatispyschotronics.htm

www.gangstalking.ca www.gangstalking.ca
http://projects.is.asu.edu/pipermail/hpn/2001-November/005009.html
http://projects.is.asu.edu/pipermail/hpn/2001-November/005009.html (http://) http://www.bugsweeps.com/info/electronic_harassment.html

Operation Weed and Seed

Operation Weed and Seed is a joint federal, state, and local coordinated law
enforcement and community investment initiative sponsored by the U.S.
Department of Justice under the local leadership of the Office of the Mayor
and the United States Attorney.

Operation Weed and Seed is a multi agency strategy that weeds out socially
undesirable people living in local communities. Local steering committees are
formed that decide how best to accomplish this weeding out process.

These local steering committees consists of the U.S. Attorney, Private
Business Owners, Union Representatives, Residents (including youth and
elderly), Corporations operating in Target Area, Chief of Police, Faith-based
Representatives, School Administrators, teachers, Superintendent, Non-Profit
Leader, District Prosecutor, Law Enforcement Coordinator from USAO, Regional
Leaders of Federal Departments and agencies (HUD, HHS, Small Business Admin,
etc.), Representative(s) from city agencies (housing, code enforcement, Dept
of Recreation, etc.), and Military community outreach staff.

Harassment groups have been equipped with sophisticated surveillance
technology and non-lethal weapon to target undesirable people living in
communities. Military and police technology have been given to private
citizens who are members of these harassment groups. These harassment groups
are using this technology to place people considered undesirable by the
communities under surveillance and attack them with non-lethal weapons.
People with mental disabilities may be prime targets for these harassment
groups. These harassment groups may be the direct result of operation Weed
and Seed. The government and military connection is there, as well as the
funds.

I have been targeted by one of these harassment groups for over three years.
A person's race, sexual orientation, past history, metal state, political
views, attitude, or ideas can make him or her a target of these harassment
groups. These harassment groups operate above the law, so they are free to
target anyone they desire. These harassment groups are a magnet for racist
cops who blame minorities for America's woes. If you would like to learn more
about these harassment groups, please access my web page listed on the first
URL listed below. The website of operation Weed and Seed is also listed
below.

If you would like to help stop this harassment group, please write or email
the Camden County Prosecutor and ask him to investigate these harassment
groups. The Prosecutor's website URL is listed below. I would greatly
appreciate any help you can provide. The letter or email you send could be
the letter or email that finally persuades the prosecutor to go after these
terrorists. Please tell the prosecutor that all terrorist groups, including
secret police groups, should be investigated.

My Web Page:
http://ourworld.cs.com/soundweapon/

Executive Office for Weed and Seed:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/eows/welcome.html

Camden County Prosecutor's Office in New Jersey:
http://www.co.camden.nj.us/government/offices/prosecutor/index.html

Thank You,
soundweapon@cs.com

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Suprised all the time

10-29-2006, 03:58 PM

Alan,

I really do feel for you. I am going through almost the exact same situation except I am not gay. I am also in CA. Here's my situation.

My spouse is the onsite, residential property manager for the apt complex we live in. We have been here 5 years this September. For a long time things were great. Then one of the tenants started to act crazy and I decided that I didn't want her around my children anymore for their own protection.

She began to stalk and harass us to no end. Last summer she followed us, took our pictures everytime we went outside and even took pictures of us in our bedroom late at night. I filed 2 police reports against her and called the cops like 6 or 7 times.

She went around to all my neighbors telling them the most vicious lies about us and trying to get my spouse fired. She couldn't keep her lies straight due to the amount of prescription pills she takes.

Among her lies were that my husband and I are racists and refer to all black people as *n*****s. She physically assulted me while I had a baby in my arms and then lunged for me when I walked away telling her I was calling the cops. I have witnesses.

My spouses company completly refuses to do anything about her. Won't let him evict her, won't let him do a thing.

She even went so far as to tell us that we had no right to keep our kids from her and we were violating her rights by doing so.....

Then she made some comments which led us to believe she might actually kidnap our kids so I sent her a cease and desist letter. She responded by filing a bogus and fraudulant restraining order against me. I do have irrefutable proof that she lied about everything and I mean everything she alledged in her application to the Court. Her case was dismissed at hearing.

So all was peaceful for 7 glorious months. Then out of the blue she called the County bar association and asked for a mediation due to an ongoing dispute with me. Funny that since I hadnt spoken to her in at least 9 months or even seen her for that matter.

I didn't want to go because she was only doing it to control me but after talking to the mediator on the phone decided to go for it so I could tell her off.
The mediator called her to see if the time and date we had set was ok with her. She told the mediator that the problem really wasn't with me it was with my spouse.

Then she went around telling other tenants that my husband had an affair with her which is a bald face lie and even told my husband's boss that yesterday.

Here's the thing though. I have long suspected that I am being videotaped by one of her buddy families in the bldg and tonight it was confirmed that someone is still taking our pictures.

Yesterday this crazy stalker who causes so much trouble actually got in my face and told me that my problem is that I practice a fake and phony religion and that my religion was a "piece of s**t" and that my religion should die. That I am bad because I don't share her religion and that my religion is evil. I am going to file a police report in 2 days for civil harassment and the police told me it is a hate crime what she did about my religion.

So I understand all too well how you feel. The frustration, the anger, the sense of violation. Don't give up. Fight like heck for your rights. Nobody and I mean Nobody has the right to harass another and stalk another and we victims need to stand up and fight back.

Take care,

Frustrated and Tired.

The words you are looking for are "mental health issues" and the agency you should call is social services. they can work much faster than the police and have staff standing by to handle such people.

cyjeff

10-29-2006, 05:16 PM

The only other advice I would give is...

PLEASE DON'T DIG UP 6 MONTH OLD POSTS!

You just feed their crazy.

runningonempty

03-12-2007, 04:30 PM

CYJEFF, this is under the six months you requested.

MARA426, thank you for the links. Since I live in a Hud Senior/Disability building I was somewhat uncomfortable with the Operation Weed and Seed because I am not always easy to get along with. However, I am going to dismiss that theory because for five years and three building the conditions are the same, not only for me but probably everyone.

When I first moved into a HUD building five years ago, I was more and more troubled each day as I dealt with the feeling of surveillance in the apartment. First in the bathroom, taking a bath or shower. Noises in the wall or above me. In the bedroom. I thought it was my next door neighbor and I covered everything that looked like it could be used for surveillance. The computer, the tv and the telephone seemed to be subject to constant change or problems. I moved my bedroom into the living room. I talked to management who said I was paranoid. My answer was that senior citizens are vulnerable to abuse, it happens all the time, in which case it is not true paranoia. She looked really uncomfortable. There was a fair amount of stealing. Sometimes objects disappeared and then showed up later (it didn't sell at the garage sale so they brought it back. Or the appraisal wasn't high enough.) A woman who had once been left in charge when management was gone and who now had alzheimers, unlocked the door and came in. I heard her and was at the door immediately. She said, "How did you get here so fast?" I'm wondering how she knew how far away I had been.

I moved to a house. No problems except paying the rent and utilities. In six months I applied at HUD again in a small town where I hoped people would be more innocent regarding electronics. My awakening came when I discovered the next door neighbor had studied electronics in the military before he was discharged for mental problems (some years ago). As time goes by the same things start up. Exactly the same. After awhile I go to management. I am told I am paranoid. I go to therapy. One doctor says I am paranoid, the therapist says no. In this small town it would not be good for the building, the residents and the town to have it come out that there might be surveillance. My children and relatives now think I am losing it. I spend a lot of time on the computer compiling information and giving the print-outs to the in-denial manager. I still thought the problems were due to residents, that they had tapped into the in-place surveillance in the halls and call-lights. The ceiling were full of holes in the sprackling. I found paint to match and painted over them. There were sounds like ropes/cables being dropped down to the doorbell and its component on the wall. One night I was in the bathroom in the dark and flashes of light came out of the light switch. There is more but the main thing is that it is constant and people are afraid to talk about it for fear of being kicked out and not having the funds to live elsewhere. The manager mentioned it in almost every monthly newsletter.

I moved again to another state. Guess what. We have a pattern here. I am now thinking that management has to be in on this along with maintenance men and security people. I start shutting off the fusebox. The fire alarm, then I change where I plug the computer in because the person below me has the same wall connections. My bedroom was so quiet after that. I was gone a lot so managed and I never mentioned it to my children. Then they came over unexpectedly, someone had let them in the door, and they saw that things were covered or taped, etc. My son was angry that I was going down the same road. However, I am going to a psychologist and she had told me the week before that I am not A paranoid. I am super-vigilant. Now how did that happen. So it got a little loud as I explained some of the happenings and played a recording I had made (one of three) and yelled, I may have paranoid characteristics but I am NOT A PARANOID. They look at me with pity and tears. After they left I talked to the manager. She said I am paranoid. I did same as with son. We went over things a long time. She said she checked apartment every three months. Do they know you're coming. Yes. Finally I left, throwing up my hands and shaking my head in disgust. I left her some print-outs on HUD and surveillance and the techniques they use with people who suspect something. Somewhere on the list, probably high-up, is to make people think they are paranoid. I'm thinking about a class-action suit against HUD, knowing it would be futile, when she calls. She has read the papers. I tell her that I am not against a surveillance system for safety reasons, but that it is being misused, either by employees or tenants. When she doesn't know what to do, I advise her the best thing is to come out with it, tell tenants when they move in that there is a surveillance system, that periodically tenants apartments will be electronically surveyed for tenants who use electronics to snoop or harrass their neighbors. That people who do this won't want to rent there, but those who opt for the safety will want to live there.

The last two fires my fire alarm did not go off and I barely heard the one in the hallway. I called the fire department and told him the situation and that I am concerned about the safety of having it disconnected and that he should be concerned about how many other women in the building have theirs disconnected. After all, we paranoids don't discuss this.

I have already isolated myself, so I am speaking up and making noise about this. The surprising thing is that several people start grinning when they see me and are friendlier than before. The next thing I do is to buy counter surveillance equipment. Are you readers laughing yet/still? Thanks for listening.

Defenseman

03-29-2007, 04:02 AM

I am a gay man and have been spyed on by my neighbors for nearly 2 years since I moved into my house. I have no hard evidence of such other than hearing them outside my window and overhearing their conversations, but they seem to know things about me and know my every move within my house. I have blocked visibility in my house (there's no way they can see in my bedroom or bathroom), yet they continue to make comments to eachother about what I'm specifically doing at any given moment which leads me to suspect I am being video survellanced (I leave my house for days at a time and susupect they have broken in and placed surveillance equipment in my house). I know this is illegal (assuming they have done so). My question is, what limitations are there in counter surveillance? I don't want to break the law in trying to catch them at their own game. I intend to purchase equipment to test if my house has been "bugged" and also my own surveillance equipment to monitor my house and property. Is there any laws (California) limiting me in this activity? I intend to prosecute them if I uncover ANYTHING which I can prove they are involved in against me. I also want to record the conversations and verbal harrassment they spew at me. I have to wear earplugs in my own home just to ignore their verbal assaults and am now going to the bathroom with a blanket covering me just to assure a little privacy!! Do I have any recourse here?

When I first read this post, I thought "how paranoid. Meth maybe"?

How wrong was I.

I'll explain why I looked up this post, and I'll tell my story.

I lived in an apartment in San Jose for a few years, and had a weird feeling that I was being watched. A really weird weird creepy feeling. ANd my feelings are usually right.

I lived on the first floor, and there were two above me. It was a nice place, about $1100 a month, a large one bedroom. I was playing hockey at the time, and generally kept to myself. I had weird hours, and often pulled all nighters. I also did my share of partying, coming home late from bars, sometimes alone and sometimes not. I had a good friend from the team who often hung out, and we often had girls over. Sometimes he would go to the bedroom, sometimes I stayed in the living room.

I tell you all these details to set up the story. I am really anal about noise and what not, and my guests knew this. I heard my neighbors next to me having sex ONCE, and it was a screamer. But I really had to try to hear it... I turned up the TV and moved on.

SO here's the deal. (fast forward)... I did make complaints, and the family above me was an Indian family. For those not in the know, Silicon Valley was (and is) ripe with asian and Indian families. On Fridays and Saturday nights, as my tenancy went on, ever growing numbers of people would hang out above me. Honestly, I never cared, I assumed they had Indian neighbors and friends over with kids and what not. I could hear the kids run from one side to another. Our balconies were right over each other, and for every time I was out there with people chatting it up, I heard their sliding glass door open and they went out as well. No big deal, who cares.

But it went south. I steadily got the feelng that I was being "followed" around the apartment. I did many experiments. I would walk from one side to the other, and the footsteps followed. When I felt they were catching on, I would creep into the bedroom (sometimes with a girl and cue her in) and lay on the bed, very quietly. Sure enough, very very VERY light sneaky footsteps would follow us in, betrayed by the squeakiness of the floorboards. I gave up a lot of you know what to figure this out.

At this point, I realized what was happening. Or so I thought. Basically, my buddy and regular visitor (and new believer) and I came up with a hypothesis. Here's an Indian (not native) family above us, who hears stuff that is basically punishable by death in their country happening below us, and they listen is. Never mind the fact that they wrote the Kama Sutra, but they probably had us pegged as the "crazy neighbors". So that was our theory. I purposely walked the long way to the carport every other day, making a loud noise in the closet and out the door. And again, I heard the creaks and sometimes running footsteps to the door. Often I would walk in full pads and hockey jersey out of paranoia, a weird kind of explanation to these people about why I was up at certain early or late hours. I also walked by in the required suit and tie.

Then things got really really creepy. My buddy and I both settled with certain girls, and things got quieter. More movies at home and more hanging out, and less going out bachelor style. Funny thing is, the girls were the first to notice. One night, we had movie night lined up... and they didn't come. THey demanded that we meet at a local bar instead. They didn't have to ask us twice, but the reason was insane. They were dead f-ing set that somebody was either watching them shower, or watching them in the bedroom with us. We then broke down and told them about the eavesdropping theory, but they insisted that they were being watched. Get this... one of the girls, besides noticing her being "followed" into the bathroom, swore that a piece of ceiling fell onto her. A little piece of styrofoam like ceiling. (Later, I couldn't see anything, but it seemed like little holes might have been sealed. In the living room, sure... people hang things... but not in the bathroom.)

So we conducted two experiments, both of which scared the crap out of me.

The first was faking sex. We "did it" on the couch, she took off her shirt and I was in boxers. We carefully listened (Friday night, lots of activity upstairs). Sure enough, when we pretended to get to it, the music turned off upstairs. Footsteps seemed to gather around a certain corner, which is where (I think) the computer was. I heard what sounded like someone hushing the crowd. We both faked getting into it, and I heard several laughs and hushings. We then both turned over and gave the middle finger to the roof. I swear we heard what sounded like a disappointed/confused banter, and a female shouting. THe female shouting (not English) could have been construed as "I want nothing to do with this, you're going to get into trouble".

Next day, I filed a complaint with the landlord, and talked about it with several teammates. I was basically called paranoid and accused of being on drugs by the landlord. The landlord assured me that the building was such that nobody could hear me... regardless of me actually hearing people.

The next experiment is no joke.

We tried the sex thing again. This time I enlisted my friend and his .45, and had him pull a ninja move. The three of us came into the apartment late Saturday, my friend immediately hid in the closet. I had to have him there. THe girl I was with and I were being called nuts by everyone we knew, and we needed a witness. So here's the two of us on the couch pulling the fake "getting ready to do it", and my friend dressed like a ninja in the closet with his gun (empty clip). Sure enough, we heard something like "da, da, da!" Like somebody calling the attention of the people in the apartment to something. Sure wnough, the TV or radio or whatever turned down, and people went to the same corner. Right on cue, my friend jumps out of the closet, rolls onto his back on the floor, and yells "DIE F_ING SPYS!", cocks the gun and aims it right at the ceiling. You would not believe the stampede that ensued. Out of the room and down the hall. You could hear the female again (wife?) yelling in what could be translated as "now you've done it".

Unfortunately, that is about the end of it. I loudly placed a fake call to the cops. I heard drilling as well as furniture being dragged around. My friend ran to the carport, but only saw the tail end of cars leaving. We both walked upstairs the next morning and pounded on the door, but nobody answered. I had my "spy" downstairs when I knocked, and he heard movement in the apartment. I made a real call to my family attourney as well as the Santa Clara Sherriffs, and the landlord. The landlord assured me again that I was nuts, and that there's no way people could see in. The cops had little advice, other than a request to see the weapon, which was of course registered. I begged the landlord to check for floor damage, and she would not.... as long as they lived there.

I moved, having received an offer in San Diego, and happened to leave that month. I left behind this incident as well as the lingering doubt that must plague a lot of people as to whether or not they're nuts.

I can tell you that I am not nuts.

I know I was followed around the place. I can tell you that there is NOW WAY that anything our experiments proved could in any way be taken as coincidence. And I can tell you that this happens for real. Only now am I discovering gadgets that can detect cameras and electronic activity.

watchdog

05-21-2007, 09:02 PM

The only other advice I would give is...PLEASE DON'T DIG UP 6 MONTH OLD POSTS! You just feed their crazy. Dear Cyjeff laborlawtalk.com:
I wrote some advice below in this and next post to encourage your members to participate first in the anti-organized stalking websites. I also responded to some of your members postings and I did this so others TI's might benefit from it. With this I hope that I am explaining to you the length of this two postings . This measure, this additional information and the links I am providing will offer at least some relief to your site.

We all need to understand that most people is not interested in the subject unless it affects them personally. Many other kind of injustices and tragedies are happening all over the world and especially in third world countries. I am proudly Mexican yes. And the perps have stated laughing out loud "ha ha ha he writes everything in Spanglish" GOOD! At least now I know they are writing all this! I was just telling my sister about my activism. She, my mom and rest of my family are worried sick for my safety. Many activists in all walks of life have encountered fierce political and legal opposition. Ruin and financial disgrace inevitably follows. Many have been murdered or have ended up as political prisoners for attempting to defend themselves or the people that "was being affected personally by the issue". I realized a long time ago that in order to put at end to this torture is to enter the legal system, but again the perps are provoking ME so I retaliate with violence. FAT CHANCE! They want to be "The Criminals"? LET THEM BE! If I am going to enter the legal system and end up as a political prisoner, it has to be "their doing" and not mine. They would have to come and testify against me in open court. The instant that this happens, their motives, methods, no so secret fellowship, the self-righteous, moral majority, the Bush-loving, church-going, wall-mart shopping, pure, spiritual and sinless, Law Abiding Citizens of the out-of-control Community Watch-going-wild" and all their violations against the Constitution will be instantly placed under investigation. They are not fools, not even close, they have been threatening me, harassed me and tortured me for so many years, but other than the vandalisms, breaking and entering I got nothing, only empty space.

The book Terrorist [Vigilante] Stalking in America (http://www.laborlawtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=46&stc=1&d=1179807636)by Private Investigator David Lawson states:
"... groups of individuals who appear to be borderline retarded, mentally ill, or deluded into thinking that they are secret agents."

Just few months ago, after the "out-of-control community watch-going-wild" noticed all my activism and my online activity, they confronted me in the streets and stated "We are going to get rid of you this time Homie". Should I take those terroristic threats seriously? I believe that if anyone was in my shoes they would. I am single and other than my parents I have no Dependants and no ties to leave behind. But I have brothers and sisters that can take care of my parents when and if my time comes. My activism, my determination and my willingness to sacrifice myself is nothing but the product of the many years of systematic abuse. Don't they have read anything about the psychology of harassment? In most cases, the more you harass somebody, the more defiance you get. Please somebody save those Stalkers from themselves! The more everyone Fu#$ with me, the more I am going to continue to gut it out. So, I better say, write and defy them as much as I can before they succeed uh?

Anyhow, I just ran into your website and into this posting and I want you to know that this organized stalking business is a fairly new and developing area of the law and a developing criminal activity [for the perps]. According to Eleanor White owner of the website www.multistalkervictims.org (http://www.multistalkervictims.org), prior to February of 2004 she was unable to find anything related to this subject in the Net. I have been Targeted for way over a decade and it wasn't until February of 2006 that first I ran into the support websites. The first book about the subject was published on 2001 (http://www.laborlawtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=46&stc=1&d=1179807636), the second book on 2007 and only few months ago (http://www.laborlawtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=49&stc=1&d=1179815676). Now we are on May of 2007, I believe that is only matter of time before someone finally listen to us. When I say "us" I mean the survivors, the Targeted Individuals, the TI's. I think that is very good that people come to "Labor Law Talk" to seek support :p . When people is first targeted they don't even know what is happening to them. I knew I was being harassed and entrapped but I did not realize I was being stalked and under 24 hour surveillance as well. In other words.. Give'm or "us" a break man.

Attention Targeted Individuals TI's:
The Vigilantes/Stalkers are NOT going to go away and leave you alone if you close your eyes and hope that they go away. They are NOT. The sooner you come to terms with this fact the sooner you will be able to take the necessary steps to protect yourself. The path of protection is in the side of good. The side of the TI's:
www.multistalkervictims.org (http://www.multistalkervictims.org) states: Call it "an extra-judicial corrections system", or call it "KKK for everyone." these networked groups have established a "parallel justice system," in which innocent people are intentionally "prosecuted" and in which the innocent are not entitled to a defense. In fact, it seems as if this phenomenon may have started out as a justice system effort to "get justice for" people who "should have gotten justice" from the visible justice system but didn't for some reason. Being totally unaccountable to anyone, this "parallel justice system" began to "get justice for" people who were NOT criminals, but for some reason "weren't liked" by someone in power. Such a covert "justice system" is ideal for "nuisance people" like whistle blowers and activists too. These citizen stalking groups show NO MERCY to their targets.

The Gang of Stalkers is so pathetically predictable though. One of the "perps" favorite tactics is to isolate their targets. If you, the reader, is a Targeted Individual [TI] remember that YOU ARE STILL A SURVIVOR AND YOU ARE NOT LONGER ALONE!! Send a message to other TI's multistalk-subscribe@yahoogroups.com write "Subscribe" in the subject and introduce yourself. If you wish to remain anonymous create a free email account from a web based service (Yahoo, Hotmail, etc) This is an email support forum in which members share experiences and discuss ways to protect ourselves. In addition couple of the websites I mention in the next post have means to interact with each other [such as blogs, emails and even phone numbers]. Hopefully this information will provide some relief to this website and Mr. Cyjeff won't feel that TI's are continuing to spam labortalklaw.com in an obsessive compulsive fashion. But again Mr. Cyjeff, give us a break because talking about this issue, for many of us, this is the first time we had the chance after so many years of ritual and systematic abuse. Mr. Cyjef: I do know that some of these perpetrators also have a duty of "Disinformation" and respond to Targeted Individual Postings by either stating that such incidents are nothing but paranoia/persecution complex OR reply with very long, boring and incredible stories to discredit or sabotage the real TI's! (So watch for those) Choose your words carefully. The words you are looking for are "mental health issues" and the agency you should call is social services. they can work much faster than the police and have staff standing by to handle such people.A textbook example, check out your member "Suprised all the time" response in the above quote: He signed up for this site on 2005 and he only wrote one post attempting to discredit the good guys. Same crap used to happen to me before in other blogs when I was going through the "posting in an obsessive compulsive and letting-all-out" stages. Someone comes and try to discredit my testimony.

Nevertheless, If your case as a TI ever reaches and enters the legal system (and if you don't retaliate I doubt very much that it ever will -for these perpetrators, their anonymity is their most valuable possession) then laborlawtalk.com is the place to share your experience. But to deal with the everyday harassment and abuses, I do recommend everyone to instead sharing in here to go to those support websites I mention in next post. The moderators of those websites have many years of experience dealing with this issue. Especially BEFORE you go to the police you NEED to talk and need advice from experienced TI's. Another favorite Perp technique is to harass you to the point of your insanity. You call the police and the stalkers and their verbal abuse is nowhere to be found. In other words, is very dangerous to make complaints to the police if you don't have any evidence at hand. The "out-of-Control Neighborhood watch going wild" leader and stalkers are NOT stupid, so never underestimate them and never talk to them. It took the Perps over ten years to make the mistake of vandalizing my car and allowing a neighbor to witness the incident. If you are harassed and you walk the other way, you will be able to survive, to keep your clean record and more important, Your Freedom. But most than anything you will be able to make a stand and fight for your rights. The perpetrators are provoking YOU. They want YOU to retaliate with violence or to get into a traffic "accident". Now so many unexplained accidents, high speed chases and violent acts that apparently started as a random act s of madness, are not so "random" at all uh? You will be of no use to the anti-organized stalking cause if you end up jailed, institutionalized or DEAD! Call the police and make a complaint. You may be a hate crime victim. The police are to serve and protect, and if they are not reasonable, try the local district attorney, then state attorney general's office. By the way elklaw, yes I went to the police to report the vandalism and harassment and the officer I spoke with wanted ME to "confess" to him why is it that I was targeted by a lynching mob that apparently enjoys so much power, immunity and protection. And yes, I went to the D.A. Attorney Office and the D.A. Staff and Investigator I spoke with they were extremely helpful, understanding and professional. Of course other than the mechanic bills and testimony and neighbor and family testimony I had no hard evidence. Nevertheless the D.A. directed me to the Police Department of Internal Affairs. Get this, I don't have the proper evidence to make a complaint against their very own "out-of-control community watch association. I gotto be out of my mind to make a complaint against an officer of the law based only on uncorroborated suspicions and personal experiences. I did go to a pro-law enforcement website once and I was told very angrily that "I was ranting about my rights, but what about the rights of those honest hard working officials that I have accused with no prof at all". I did sent a online complaint form but I did not accuse any official I only explained about the vandalism and ongoing harassment and that I believed that the out-of-control community watch acted with no regard of any laws and appeared to have immunity and protections from officers of the law.
"[B]...often the police ignore the complaint and focus on finding any possible way the target can be made to look as if he/she is responsible for the harassment, or is maybe "overreacting to life's normal mishaps. Society is now to the point where citizen stalkers can operate with little or no interference by law enforcement, incredible as it may seem. Mainly by committing an endless string of crimes, most of which look like "life's normal mishaps." It is literally the perfect crime." -by Eleanor White www.multistalkervictims.orgI did not call the police all the time because it seemed a little ridiculous to call the police and say someone was calling your names.
RESPONSE: GOOD CALL!
They never hurt my son, just terrorized him and showed up at his school in the parking lot.
RESPONSE: Terrorizing your son is only just another "incidental" task. Is "YOU" or "YOUR SPOUSE" the one they want. Children gives the gang of stalkers a wonderful leverage. They are terrorizing him and using him to get to YOU. They do it and I quote what the moderator from the multistalk yahoo group told me, "They are doing it because they know that it keeps you stressed and on the edge". Where is all this evil comes from and resides? To use children to terrorize others? Is in each of us! 99.99% of the population would never do anything by themselves while alone to harm an infant. Oh Boy! But when they get together! When they get together! <emphasis added> is when their evil spirit comes and rules their actions. I was also told by the same moderator that fact the "organized stalkers never quit/surrender/give up because they are acting under the "mob mentality"".

A variant of this "using children as leverage" technique is using their own children or a small person to harass a Target (this technique as "KKK" written all over). I am 190 lbs grown man and I got this little teenager girl stalking me or some kids calling me all kind of insults and verbal abuse. Do they want me to retaliate against them because they are small? Nope, I was not embarrassed that even small children know the most inconsequential details of my private life. I was shocked, I could not believe that they are brainwashing and training their own offspring to be part of their evil organization. Another technique, I was being heavily gang stalked (this happened few minutes before my car was vandalized), I stopped a the red light, I thought I had lost them. I was relieved, this woman with an infant in her car stopped next to me and her windows were down and talking in her cell phone out loud she said: "I got him, I got him he is a so and so intersection". I looked at her and she said acting very frightened "Is he violent". FOOLS! Can you imagine the penalty for harassing or assaulting a "poor and defenseless" woman with an infant? I am almost 44 and to this date I have never in my life been in a single fight. This is the ONLY reason that I am over 13-14 years an Organized Stalker Survivor. We were told by our moderator at the multistalk yahoo support group that "the majority of dead [or jailed or institutionalized] targets are men. The majority of survivors are women. Women are used to being oppressed. They've learned coping strategies. What was once a male "strength" is now a man's primary weakness when he is targeted as TI -- the refusal to tolerate deliberate, personal assaults. The inability to adapt gets men killed" [or jailed or institutionalized]. Another member replied "you are right, men are much more likely to fight back than surrender. If that ends up costing me my life, then so be it, BETTER DEAD THAN TO SURRENDER TO THESE SOUL-SUCKING MAGGOTS." [and I have to agree 100% with him but again, unless there is a hearing and this organized stalking social phenomenon is fully investigated, I would be of not good to the side of good (the TI's) if I end up Jailed, Institutionalized or DEAD. If I have to make list of impossible things that might happen. This would be the first one in my list, I like to see the day when a perp is coming and identify himself "as a perp", (or risk to be identified as one) and not as a "law abiding citizen" and testify against a TI in open court. It will NEVER happen.

Book: Vigilante Stalking in America
Purchasing Info: http://www.scramblingnews.com/catpage.html
Book Review: http://www.multistalkervictims.org/terstalk.htm

watchdog

05-21-2007, 09:34 PM

:mad: Neighbor harassment, surveillance, eavesdropping, window peeping, trespassing in CA. I am a gay man and have been spied on by my neighbors for nearly 2 years since I moved into my house... I have to wear earplugs in my own home just to ignore their verbal assaults and am now going to the bathroom with a blanket covering me just to assure a little privacy!! Do I have any recourse here?Alan: While you only mention your neighbors and nobody else. I have experienced the exact same techniques and MO's but from a much larger number of people. But it is not unheard of that Vigilante/Stalking groups break away from their main group and start their own little private war. The vandalism, I mention above was with no doubt carry out without permission from their leaders. Since they left some evidence behind, now they have no choice but to destroy the Target or my credibility with a never ending campaign of lies, slander and harassment. I am also gay and proud of it also [and I know of plenty of gay people who has gone through same ordeal. I wanted to show my brother the anti-organized websites listed below and he told me "I don't want to look at Gay Websites". This nightmare also started in San Diego CA. I have moved but these stalker/vigilante groups are networked all over the States and Canada. I get in the plane in Palm Springs CA and I land in Seattle WA. Guess who is waiting for me at the airport to continue their never-ending harassment? If you get this and I hope you do. I have done the exact same thing that you did with the earplugs and my family saw me wearing them . My older sister asked me about those cars parked in the street and the occupants were next to our fence/wall talking about my private life and about the threatening plans they have for my future (Psychological Warfare).

No one believed me of the harassment, hate crimes, abuses, breaking and entering, assaults until the perpetrators made a mistake and left evidence behind. They yanked the gas lines of my low riding car and they took the gas pump with them in the process. The neighbor that lives next to where my car was parked witnessed the incident. What kind of a fool goes inside a low riding car to rip off the gas lines to vandalize it? They should have gone for the tires and windows. But Gas Lines? I believe reason was that their unauthorized high tech/surveillance devices were attached to the gas lines. They were in a hurry to remove them and took everything that was attached to them as well (gas Lines). Some of the following websites are down but most of them are still working.
www.scramblingnews.com
www.stoporganizedstalking.org
www.multistalkervictims.org
www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/whosarat/vpost?id=1785770
www.stopcovertwar.com
www.groups.yahoo.com/group/multistalk
www.gangstalking.org
www.gangstalkingworld.com
www.catchcanada.org
www.starfishgirl.org
www.rich-essence.com
www.psychologicalharassment.com
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJqMcafwFJ8

I am one of the few "Survivors" that have been able to speak up. The rest of the Targeted Individuals are too afraid, in Jail, Institutions or DEAD! First thing everyone asks me is WHY ME? WHY WAS I Preselected for Persecution/Prosecution? You will have to ASK THEM ORGANIZED STALKERS THAT!... They are the ones violating all civil, criminal, statutory and constitutional laws in order to torture and entrap innocent people... The Book "Cause Stalking" [below] written by a Private Investigator sates: [I]"Selection of Targets is based on Vulnerability". I you are a target they see you as "Vulnerable" I am Target-4-Life of the Out-of-control Neighborhood watch Going Wild.

"Real peace is not just the absence of conflict is the presence of justice, never again we will allow anyone to deter us from doing what we know to be morally right. Atrocity and terror are not political weapons. And to those who would use them, your day is over. We will never negotiate. We will no longer tolerate and we will no longer be afraid. It's their turn to be afraid." Harrison Ford - Air Force One.

"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be most aware of change in the air -- however slight -- lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness." ~ Justice William O. Douglas

Book: Cause Stalking
Purchasing Info: http://www.scramblingnews.com, In Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Cause-Stalking-David-Lawson/dp/0970309252/ref=sr_1_1/102-5198061-0597757?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175185046&sr=1-1)
Book Review: http://www.multistalkervictims.org/caustalk.htm

cyjeff

05-22-2007, 07:07 AM

Go to the medicine cabinet. There, on the top shelf, is your untouched medication. Take as prescribed by a licensed doctor.

Two crazies sharing a delusion do not a truth make. You site as an expert a person that, on her own website, says she doesn't have any real evidence except a single blurry picture.

For God's sake, the queen of you folks wants everyone to wear a tricornered hat as an act of protest. You go ahead and dress up like Johnny Tremaine.

Can we please close this thread?

watchdog

05-22-2007, 08:06 AM

I am not now nor ever was an attorney. Any statements I make are based purely upon my personal experiences and research which may or may not be accurate in a court of law. You site as an expert a person that, on her own website, says she doesn't have any real evidence except a single blurry picture. Can we please close this thread?Moderators: Please do not close this thread.

cyeff: Once again I apologize because my first post was directed to YOU and to YOU first because I thought you were a moderator in this website. So as a member of this site I have asked the moderators NOT to close this thread. But you cyeff, you are not even an attorney and not even a moderator. And I know that someone who was an attorney or have any interest in the law would not be wasting his own time attacking other members. Nor would be so close minded to say that "she doesn't have any real evidence". We have our testimonies, we have the investigation and the two Books/Reports published by a the private investigator Dave Lawson... "too inconvenient" to be believable?
http://www.laborlawtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=46&stc=1&d=1179807636

http://www.laborlawtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=49&stc=1&d=1179815676
If you had any kind of legal experience you would understand all this but you don't. If you had any investigative experience you would have noticed that what you called a "blurry picture" is in reality one frame from a video footage. If you are really advising people in here with legal matters you would know that when I "cite" a legal document or a witness, I write "cite" with a "c" and not with an "s" like you did. You have posted a total of 3483 posts but only 5 of them were started by you. Please tell me that you haven't responded 3478 times with vicious attacks and disregard for the safety and well being of the people that came in here looking to for advice? How is possible that the moderators allow you to be such an asshole?

If this issue doesn't affect you personally, since you don't know nothing about it and obviously not interested in it. I do not understand why you are so determined to proving us so wrong or so mentally ill as you said. I am fairly new to this Anti-organized stalking activism and now thanks to you I can see what other Targeted Individuals have been through in the past. I can see that thanks to people like YOU, is why so many people is so afraid to come forward. You response just gave me one more reason to be more determined and more strong. If you are really interested in this thread to go inactive. I will suggest that you stop participating in it. AGAIN, the reason that I posted all that information was to direct new members to the websites that deal with this Organized Stalking issue first, AND then ONLY THEN "if" and "when" they enter the legal system to come back in here for legal advice.

This message board in this website was posted for the public to post and share experiences and knowledge. Not to attack each other as you are doing in here. If is your intent to continue with these attacks in order to only hide our posts in the back and place your criticisms in the front. I will copy and paste my postings and bring it back to the front. So it is up to you... as I originally suggested, you can either stop your criticisms, let this thread to go silent and allow the members with interest in the topic to be directed to the websites I provided. Or we can engage in a "never-ending pissing contest of bringing the posts to the front". YOUR CHOICE.

You stated you want EVIDENCE? YOU MEAN REAL HARD EVIDENCE?
Such as? Vandalism? An impartial witness? Mechanic Testimony? My sister listening to the harassment? My Mother being harassed? A perp spiting at us with a hateful gesture while my sister and nieces were driving by? Mechanic Bill? The car door falling apart still? I am QUOTING the posting above that obviously you did not read in detail "By the way elklaw, yes I went to the police to report the vandalism and harassment and the officer I spoke with with wanted ME to "confess" to him why is it that I was targeted by a lynching mob that apparently enjoys so much power, immunity and protection. And yes, I went to the D.A. Attorney Office and the D.A. Staff and Investigator I spoke with they were extremely helpful, understanding and professional. Of course other than the mechanic bills and testimony and neighbor and family testimony I had no other hard evidence. Nevertheless the D.A. directed me to the Police Department of Internal Affairs. I gotto be out of my mind to make a complaint against an officer of the law based only on uncorroborated suspicions and personal experiences."

Well, I cannot bring all that people and those things into this forum but I can bring you the BILL. Many people has been convicted with much less evidence that this. But of course with you all so called legal experience you already know that "No one is going to believe us because it would be "so inconvenient" if they did uh?" If this evidence is valid or admissible in the court of law, it will an issue of fact for the Judge and Jury consideration. NOT YOURS.
http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/view/mb/file?username=whosarat&id=231269

cactus jack

05-22-2007, 01:36 PM

I think that Cyjeff is generally level headed. But in this case I have to side with WatchDog. Personal experience, buddy. You know what I do when people spy on me? I make sure they get an eye-full. Of lemon juice! One neighbor actually hooked into the phone wires on the outside box. Not only did he get a chance to listen in to my phone calls, but he also got a lot of free long distance. How do I know? Since I was paying for calls I never made to a state I had nothing to do with nor knew anyone in, that kinda tells me something.

My problem is not physical spying, but people that simple cannot respect my privacy. Asking questions that are offensive, making suppositions, actually trying to find out personal details of my finances (big problem I have for being self-employed).

TSCompliance

05-22-2007, 02:47 PM

No, please don't close this thread.:p It's the most entertaining thing I've read online in a long time. I just spent about an hour (4:30-5:30 PM) glued to my screen, not getting any work done.
I don't care that this thread is over 2 years old, it's great! Keep it up!
I'm a mental health professional, and since I got into administration and compliance, I don't get to hear this stuff every day like I used to when I did therapy.
thank you, thank you, thank you all, for making my evening!

cyjeff

05-22-2007, 04:57 PM

I responded because you mentioned me by name.

Sorry I misspelled... I didn't sleep well. No, no one was moving my furniture or parking too close to my car. People weren't legally walking up and/or down my public-funded street thinking evil thoughts.

My kid was sick. Reality.

Just because you found someone else that shares your opinion doesn't mean you have stumbled upon the truth. I could ask an entire room of 5 year olds if candy was good for them.

They fact that they all believe it was wouldn't make it the truth.

What none of you folks have seemed to understand is that to warrant the type of attention you believe you are receiving would mean that you were actually important. What you are describing would take the type of organization, money and time that is normally reserved for a shuttle flight.

Believe it or not, you just aren't that important. No one cares enough about your decreasingly shallow pool of self respect to see if moving your official "Spiderman 2" collectibles is enough to send you over the edge. No one has huge notebooks of data about you that detail your intense dislike of the color blue or your adversion to buttermilk.

And as for your evidence... it is laughable. I got a set of new tires on Sunday... and my receipt doesn't show any more evidence of a conspiracy that yours.

No one cares. The technical term is delusions of grandeur. My term is that you are a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic. You are INGO short of BINGO.

Just make sure that your tricornered hat has enough foil.

Oh, and the next time you use language like that, I will do everything within my power to get you banned. This isn't your therapy group and we don't have to play into your role play. If you don't like it, leave. But keep the language PG.

One last thing. Tell me honestly. How many times have you been prescribed medication by a medical professional to control these feelings? How many should you be taking now? How many are you taking?

Isn't that a violation of your parole?

watchdog

05-22-2007, 06:44 PM

Administrator: Please do not close this thread. And if cyeff attempts to ask you to close it or "to do everything in his power to get me banned from this site". I have to respectfully ask for an impartial hearing first. Please see the Blue Ribbon Campaign for Free Speech Online (http://www.eff.org). No website can be ever, held responsible because of the postings of third parties. All I am asking is for an impartial hearing and nothing else. I wasn't raised to sit down at the end of the bus, I was raised to stand up and fight for my rights. I politely stated in my posting #50 above: "I wrote some advice... to encourage your members to participate first in the anti-organized stalking websites... these two postings... will be my only two, unless of course I get any questions directed specifically to me. But I want to encourage everyone to direct their questions to the contact info I am providing. This measure, this additional information and the links I am providing will offer at least some relief to your site." In addition post #53 states: "The reason that I posted all that information was to direct new members to the websites that deal with this Organized Stalking issue first, AND then ONLY THEN "if" and "when" they enter the legal system to come back in here for legal advice."

Cactus Jack: Thank you for response. Nobody is spying on me through a pep hole the one that stated that was Alan Wilson the person that started this thread. But I do realize what you say. We all can agree that there is a "Neighborhood Watch" in place. The only thing that we don't agree is that this Neighborhood Watch grew out-of-control of their own police department. Just like you, I always believed that I was very strong. I am a "bad *** mother **** who take no crap from nobody". But I am not that stupid neither. When these "Law Abiding Citizens" started to verbally abuse me, giving me "the finger" or cut me off in the road. Their boldness indicated to me that what they wanted was a reaction from me (just like cyeff he wanted a reaction from me and I politely put him in his place). So I did not give any reaction to them, I gutted it out instead and I have survived. The people who has given in to their urges of retaliating, are not able to write to us right now.

I spoke once with an ex-KKK guy. He was still a teenager, he told me that they use the very same techniques, a smaller white guy goes and confront and insults a colored big guy. The rest of the KKK guys hiding in the bushes. When the colored guy attempted to retaliate, the rest of the KKK gang come out of the bushes and beat the bejesus out of him. Same thing happens with gay bashing. It is well known that straight homophobic guys have gone to gay bars to pick up a guy. Then when they are alone the rest of their friends come and do something bad to him. So now cyeff is saying that despite of all the evidence and documentation of those things happening to those colored or gay people. It can not happen to the rest of us? I got news for cyeff, I am colored [at least not white] and I am gay. Does he, our critics and out political opponents have any sympathy for the member harrasedinmn? or at least for his kid?They never hurt my son, just terrorized him and showed up at his school in the parking lot.Cyeff: You are wrong and you need to stop those unfounded and malicious accusations or I WILL DO everything in MY power to get you banned from this site as well. I am not in medication and I am as healthy as I have ever been. I have never been detained, arrested and sadly for you, I don't have a criminal record or even a misdemeanor in my name. In addition to this, my job requires me that I don't have a criminal record. If I had any sort of criminal record, the organized stalkers would not have to go through all the trouble that I describe in the postings above. People with criminal records are actually assaulted, then the "law abiding citizens" of your "out-of-control neighborhood" watch have all the credibility. Right now as it is, they can't touch me because despite of your apathy and mockery, I do have the credibility on my side.

I politely responded to you in my first post #50 and based in your response #47 "PLEASE DON'T DIG UP 6 MONTH OLD POSTS!". I attempted to direct people with same interests to other sites. I went out of my way to be as professional and as helpful that I could. Instead of you being glad that I am attempting to prevent people for writing in this site about this issue that disgusts you so much. YOU responded and viciously attacked me first!

About your threat of "doing everything in your power to get me banned from this site". Please tell me that you are not that naive. This site is equipped with software and filters to prevent foul language from being posted. If there is anything in my writings that you don't like or find offensive. With all your so called "legal experience", you should know that it's already been pre-approved by the owners of this site by means of these filters/software. You are threatening to get me banned? Well, you can always try. But thanks for the warning, so I have saved this thread in my computer. In the remote event that you succeed, all I have to do is to subscribe again with a different screen name. Again, you want to get me banned? Go back in this thread and review your postings. You ARE the one that is attacking ME. NOT the other way around. Even way before I became an Organized Stalking activist, this is what I do. Internet postings and blogs is my hobby and I have done it for many years. You are not an attorney and you will never be. I am not an attorney neither but surprise, surprise I do have a college degree and at work I deal with many legal related issues. So don't sit there and tell me what I know and what I don't know. Any evidence or testimonies that we provide will be laughable to you or to the rest of our political opponents. It is not laughable to honest officers of the court and of the law.

Do you really want to continue in this course of action in a "never ending pissing contest to have the last posting?" Or you lack the courage of your convictions? Quite obviously you have nothing better to do.

Finally, If you think that by mocking and viciously attacking the Anti-Organized Stalking Activists and Targeted Individuals [TI's], we are going to stop talking and writing about it in this and other sites. You are sorely mistaken. I am immune to your poisonous venom. I respond because there is a reason of why I am and I will continue to speak up. See the included Poem I am dedicating it to you and to YOU only. "First they came…" is a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group. This is a poem about the dangers of not speaking up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came
They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time no one was left to speak up

cyjeff

05-22-2007, 07:30 PM

Moron.

I believe you have the right to speak your mind. You do not, however, have the right to use blue language to do it.

Not every response requires you to jump up on your imaginary soapbox so that you can box with your imaginary windmills.

I, personally, don't care whether or not you are blue and prefer the attentions of consenting farm animals.

Your professional response included calling me an A**hole. That is not allowed here. I don't care what you say... its all in how you say it.

Aside from that, you are kinda cute. You try to embarrass me, then threaten me, and then accuse me of something akin to Nazi sympathy. Cute.

None of it proves a darn thing. You are in need of serious help. Your delusion is so complicated that you actually have set up secondary lines of mental defense. Anyone that doesn't immediately believes you is either blind or part of the conspiracy.

You still haven't answer my initial question. Why would anyone spend the time and money to make you crazy? Why would anyone that actually WOULD have a grudge against you be willing to wait the years it would take for you to catch on to the abuse and then be slowly tormented by it.

Trust me. If someone had enough of a problem with you to warrant such action, they wouldn't have the patience to wait the years your attack would take.

Just because the other folks in the "house o'crazy" elected you Queen of the Winter Carnival doesn't mean the rest of the sane people are wrong. You need to get help. Or shut up. Either way, put on pants.

watchdog

05-22-2007, 07:54 PM

Administrator: Please control Cyeff if he is so interested in me stopping to defend myself. He needs to stop attacking me first. Please read this thread with detail. Mr. Cyeff attacked me first and now he is implying innuendos and locker room fantasies of bestiality with farm animals which are probably repressed impulses or memories from his own childhood.Moron.
You still haven't answer my initial question. Why would anyone spend the time and money to make you crazy? Why would anyone that actually WOULD have a grudge against you be willing to wait the years it would take for you to catch on to the abuse and then be slowly tormented by it.Cyeff: I am responding Your "initial" and final question. I will not answer to you anymore because while you don't realize it, I am only feeding into YOUR Psychosis. If anyone has any questions for me, please direct them to the contact info I provided in post #50 and #51 of this thread. From now on I will only copy and paste the postings that you cleverly brought to the back of the thread. Here is your response: First thing everyone asks me is WHY ME? WHY WAS I Preselected for Persecution/Prosecution? You will have to ASK THEM ORGANIZED STALKERS THAT!... They are the ones violating all civil, criminal, statutory and constitutional laws in order to entrap innocent people... The Book "Cause Stalking" www.scramblingnews.com written by a Private Investigator sates: "Selection of Targets is based on Vulnerability". I am Target-4-Life of the Out-of-control Neighborhood watch Going Wild. Just follow the links:
www.scramblingnews.com
www.stoporganizedstalking.org
www.multistalkervictims.org
www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/whosarat/vpost?id=1785770
www.stopcovertwar.com
www.groups.yahoo.com/group/multistalk
www.gangstalking.org
www.gangstalkingworld.com
www.catchcanada.org
www.starfishgirl.org
www.rich-essence.com
www.psychologicalharassment.com
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJqMcafwFJ8I don't care what you say... its all in how you say it.Cyeff: Once again, with all your so called legal experience you should know that is NOT "how I say it". It is YOUR interpretation what matters. And I did not mean any offense of what you interpreted in the wrong way. When I stated a "Professional Response", I was talking about my two first postings [#50 & #51] which was an attempt to be the only two ones in this site. But as you have obviously noticed. YOU HAVEN'T LET ME! YOU have been forcing ME to Respond to YOU! Is this really your intent? Only to discredit what I am writing? In the third response [post #53] that you interpreted in the wrong way, you got what was coming to you because was a response to your #52.

The poem IS about the "Dangers of not Speaking Up" and NOT about the Nazi. Once again, your own interpretation doomed you first. I am immune to your poisonous venom.

AGAIN, The reason that we are the "Survivors" and have not evidence that will ever satisfy you, is perfectly explained by Cactus Jack in his following response. We don't attack, stalk, or harass others, they do!:Investigate them and their families. Go to www.zabasearch.com and gain knowledge of them in a general sense. Provoke them indirectly and get them to retaliate in which you already have a trap set for them. I hate myself for thinking like them but I will try to catch them in a criminal act against me and that will be the end to their crimes against humanity!!!! FIGHT fire with fire....but make it legal!!!!!Good move, Trying. So good in fact that it could be considered stalking.
I have already saved this thread in my computer. I will wait couple of days to hear from your rants and vitriolic attacks and I will promptly reply to you. If I don't hear from you, in few days I will go back and delete some of this never-ending-pissing-contest posts that YOU initiated. I got it in my computer already. But If you decide to continue to attack me again at a later time. I cannot stop what I did not start. YOU did! You will continue to get the response that you deserve until the Administrator get involved or until you stop first. I know is a game to you, let's play along.

cyjeff

05-23-2007, 06:47 AM

This will be my last post to you. You are in serious and obvious need of advanced medication and technique.

To make my position clear.

I don't care what you think of me. My objection was to your swearing. I asked you to stop it. That is the one and only point I made about trying to censure you. All I asked was that you play by the rules.

After that, you can crazy all you want.

Then, like all illogical arguments, when I point out the flaws in your fantasy, you accuse me of persecution. I did nothing of the kind. I merely asked for proof. Proof, by the way, you now ask me to obtain from your mythical attackers.

Great. So the only place I can get proof is from the people that you can't prove exist. Circular logic is the sign of a seriously disturbed mind making reasonable arguments out of illogical assumptions.

Now you are trying to insist that the moderators kick ME off because I have the gaul to actually make you back up your "facts" with, well, facts? Debate is what this board is all about. If you wanted to find people that would just blindly follow the crazy, you should have stuck to your other sites.

Good luck in therapy. You can go ahead and blame the two centimeter movement of the coffee table, the turning of the blue mug in the cabinet counter clockwise,the use of the toilet paper in the downstairs toilet and your next flat tire and/or wiper blade change on me. You will anyway.

watchdog

05-23-2007, 10:21 AM

[FINAL POST!] MULTI-STALKER & ORGANIZED-STALKER (TI's) [OUT-OF-CONTROL "COMMUNITY" WATCH GROUPS] INFORMATION

ADMINISTRATOR, MODERATORS AND SENIOR MEMBERS: Thank you very much for replying to my private messages!

TARGETED INDIVIDUALS: In order to prevent this www.laborlawtalk.com site from getting too many repetitive postings, by either TI's or our political and legal opponents. Please direct your questions and/or share your experiences to the contact info and websites provided right below. I was told by the moderator of one of those websites, that eventually and when the time is right, every individual TI will find his/her way to the support they need. All of those sites are helpful and few have more information than others. Some have interactive blogs, e-mail based forums and even phone numbers. But you need to read through them and decide which ones are the right ones for you. I am doing this to prevent this www.laborlawtalk.com from getting too much spam. To learn how to deal with the everyday harassment, to share experiences and to learn from others, I believe that it will better if you deal with this issue with people that is sympathetic to your situation. In the very unlikely event that your case or situation enters or reaches the legal system (court or any other legal proceedings). Then in addition to those sites, you should come back to www.laborlawtalk.com and ask for legal advice.

Some of the following websites are down but most of them are still working:
www.scramblingnews.com
www.stoporganizedstalking.org
www.gangstalking.org
www.multistalkervictims.org
www.groups.yahoo.com/group/multistalk E-mail Support Group e-mail multistalk-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
www.stopcovertwar.com
www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/whosarat/vpost?id=1785770
www.gangstalkingworld.com
www.catchcanada.org
www.starfishgirl.org
www.rich-essence.com
www.psychologicalharassment.com
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJqMcafwFJ8

IMPORTANT Personal NOTICE:
I only intended to write two postings in this website www.laborlawtalk.com, however because of reasons beyond my control it didn't work that way. In order to force myself to NOT reply to additional posts (or personal attacks) I did not read any posts in between THIS one and MY last one! My shared experiences and advice I gave in this website are located in Post #50 (http://www.laborlawtalk.com/showthread.php?p=894564#post894564) and Post #51 (http://www.laborlawtalk.com/showthread.php?p=894573#post894573) ONLY and are located above in this same thread. Direct links are as follows:Post #50; Targeted Individual [TI] Organized-Multiple Stalking Post#51; I AM ALSO A TARGETED INDIVIDUAL [TI] of the Organized/Multi Stalkers All other of my postings in this thread were responses to postings directed to me. Unfortunately, I have chosen to not longer respond to questions in here directed to me directly. If you have questions, concerns or other issues. Please join one or two forums in the websites provided above. Their moderators have much more experience than myself dealing with this and many other issues.

Let's hope this post will bring some closure to the "never-ending-pissing-contest" I went through.

Thank You all.

Watchdog.