On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:29:19 -0400, "Robert" <sellr2@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
cheap shot..............

Maybe, maybe not. Speaking of predictions, I predicted we'd be going
to Africa next.

Liberia really looks like a messy place.

~Empress

"`Tu'n me loose, fo' I kick de natal stuffin' outen you,' sez Brer
Rabbit, sezee, but de Tar-Baby, she ain't sayin' nuthin' "
~Empress

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:28:59 +0300, Xenos the elder
<nufsnuIf89@hotmail.com> wrote:
An old and useless argument.Yes it is a " support divorce group " and we talk about divorce andsometimes we talk about music and food and bars and shopping and so onand so on.Sometimes we talk about politics to. If you don't like the particularitem, then don't join.

Just For Fun:

ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/emily-postnews/part1
------
Q: How can I choose what groups to post in?

A: Pick as many as you can, so that you get the widest audience.
After all, the net exists to give you an audience. Ignore those who
suggest you should only use groups where you think the article is
highly appropriate. Pick all groups where anybody might even be
slightly interested.

Always make sure followups go to all the groups. In the rare event
that you post a followup which contains something original, make sure
you expand the list of groups. Never include a "Followup-to:" line in
the header, since some people might miss part of the valuable
discussion in the fringe groups.

------
Q: How about an example?

A: Ok. Let's say you want to report that Gretzky has been traded from
the Oilers to the Kings. Now right away you might think
rec.sport.hockey would be enough. WRONG. Many more people might be
interested. This is a big trade! Since it's a NEWS article, it
belongs in the news.* hierarchy as well. If you are a news admin, or
there is one on your machine, try news.admin. If not, use news.misc.

The Oilers are probably interested in geology, so try sci.geo.fluids.
He is a big star, so post to sci.astro, and sci.space because they are
also interested in stars. And of course comp.dcom.telecom because he
was born in the birthplace of the telephone. And because he's
Canadian, post to soc.culture.Ontario.southwestern. But that group
doesn't exist, so cross-post to news.groups suggesting it should be
created. With this many groups of interest, your article will be
quite bizarre, so post to talk.bizarre as well. (And post to
comp.std.mumps, since they hardly get any articles there, and a "comp"
group will propagate your article further.)

---

Igor, you could always direct your follow-ups header to
misc.survivalism...

~Empress, New Survivalist

Let's see what is happening... Washington wants to get a big quantity of
money from lenders, then the plan is, no doubt, to give it to Cheney's
halliburton, Bechtel etc. Then Iraqi oil will be used to repay the
loan.

Iraqis, obviously, have no say in having THEIR oil pledged as
collateral to make profits for Republican chums, by the foreign
invaders/occupiers. But I bet that they would have different uses of
oil in their minds.

The only little obstacle here is that Iraqi oil production is
sabotaged by Iraqis who, not surprisingly, do not want seeing their
oil riches stolen.

Now, Empress, you promised that there will be a big repentance on your
part if my 4 month old predictions about planned theft of Iraqi oil
are coming true. The occupiers have done zip for the iraqi people but
are constantly working very hard to steal Iraqi oil. I am awaiting
your recognition that I was right and you were wrong.

i

================================================== ====================

WASHINGTON, July 11 (AFP) - The administration of President George W. Bush
is considering pledging some of Iraq's future oil and gas revenue to secure
long-term reconstruction loans before a new Iraqi government is in place to
sign off on the proposal, The Los Angeles Times reported Friday.
The newspaper said the plan, which has been endorsed by the Export-Import
Bank and some of the biggest US companies, would help avert a looming cash
crunch that has the potential to stall the postwar rebuilding effort.
But the plan is drawing fire from some administration officials, lawmakers,
policy analysts and prominent Iraqis who say it would mortgage the Gulf
nation's most treasured resource, prevent future leaders from deciding how to
spend their oil money and put US taxpayers at risk, the report said.
However, the Export-Import Bank and a business coalition that includes
Halliburton, Bechtel Group and other major companies that are interested in
winning contracts in Iraq are warning that unless steps are taken soon to
secure new funds, the reconstruction well could run dry, The Times said.
"Common sense says get Iraq running. How do you get the country running? By
using its own oil revenue 100 percent for the benefit of the Iraqi people,"
the paper quoted Export-Import Bank Chairman Philip Merrill as saying. "If you
want to wait three or four years, be my guest. But that means the country is
going to be running on the dole of the United States."
Many experts agree that Iraq is headed for a possible cash flow crisis as
reconstruction costs escalate, initial funds are depleted and the resumption
of oil exports is delayed due to damage caused by looting and sabotage,
according to the report.
But they part company over whether the US-led occupation administration in
Baghdad has the legal or moral authority to pledge future oil revenue as loan
collateral before the issue can be debated by elected Iraqis, The Times said.
"Unless a reconstituted Iraqi government or the UN Security Council
authorizes the plan, it appears to violate international law," Democratic
Congressman Henry Waxman is quoted as saying.
mk/nh
US-Iraq-oil

Let's see......Crossposted to:
alt.support.marriage,alt.support.divorce,misc.surv ivalism,rec.boats
did you miss some other groups too?

You know Igor, you really can be an *** sometimes. I hope to hell you are
setting a good example for your son, but I worry sometimes.

Ignoramus11972 wrote: Let's see what is happening... Washington wants to get a big quantity of money from lenders, then the plan is, no doubt, to give it to Cheney's

(and the rest of the totally irrelevant bull**** snipped)

<Empress Otku> wrote in message
news:1fdogv4o7p5g66bvnc08lo9e6k5ed2mh46@4ax.com... On 11 Jul 2003 15:12:28 GMT, Ignoramus11972 <ignoramus11972@NOSPAM.11972.invalid> wrote:Let's see what is happening... Washington wants to get a big quantity ofmoney from lenders, then the plan is, no doubt, to give it to Cheney'shalliburton, Bechtel etc. Then Iraqi oil will be used to repay theloan. If the Iraqi people receive services in kind and their country is rebuilt with the money, then how have they been ripped off?

My most recent memory was that the U.N. had given Saddam permission to sell
oil so that he could buy food and medicine for his people. Did he do that?
Maybe he did to some extent, but at the same time he was paying large sums
of money to terrorist's families if they would blow themselves up and take
as many innocent people as they could with them. Amazingly large sums of
money were flowing from Saddam to the organizations that back and train
these individuals. I guess instead of selling their oil for money to rebuild
their country, we could always arrange to trade their manufactured goods or
their agriculture....................Please, I have no desire to argue this
topic or the war. However after 911 when Bush said "we're coming to get you"
I said to myself "it's about time".

"Robert" <sellr2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:%5BPa.96$Y_1.11@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
Please, I have no desire to argue this topic or the war. However after 911 when Bush said "we're coming to get
you" I said to myself "it's about time".

Who else is on your shopping list?

In article <jcBPa.41740$C83.3293643@newsread1.prod.itd.earthli nk.net>, Bill wrote: Let's see......Crossposted to: alt.support.marriage,alt.support.divorce,misc.surv ivalism,rec.boats did you miss some other groups too? You know Igor, you really can be an *** sometimes. I hope to hell you are setting a good example for your son, but I worry sometimes.

Well, I want my son to grow up into a man who can voice his
disagreement when he thinks that a wrong thing is being done.

In fact, he is already disagreeing with me. I took him to a playground
once, he points somewhere and says, look, that car is like mom's. I
look and see something else, so I say, no way, it is not like her car.
But he keeps objecting to me, and I say no way. Then I look a little
harder and alas, there is a car that looks like mom's car. So I told
him, very good that you kept disagreeing.

He is 2 now.

i
Ignoramus11972 wrote: Let's see what is happening... Washington wants to get a big quantity of money from lenders, then the plan is, no doubt, to give it to Cheney's (and the rest of the totally irrelevant bull**** snipped)

cheap shot..............
"jps" <trash@thedump.com> wrote in message
news:vgtopvogk3pt01@corp.supernews.com... "Robert" <sellr2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:%5BPa.96$Y_1.11@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com... Please, I have no desire to argue this topic or the war. However after 911 when Bush said "we're coming to get you" I said to myself "it's about time". Who else is on your shopping list?

Ignoramus11972 wrote: In article <jcBPa.41740$C83.3293643@newsread1.prod.itd.earthli nk.net>, Bill wrote: Let's see......Crossposted to: alt.support.marriage,alt.support.divorce,misc.surv ivalism,rec.boats did you miss some other groups too? You know Igor, you really can be an *** sometimes. I hope to hell you are setting a good example for your son, but I worry sometimes. Well, I want my son to grow up into a man who can voice his disagreement when he thinks that a wrong thing is being done.

That's fine. But is this a "political" newsgroup? No. It's a marriage and
divorce newsgroup. Would your son understand the difference?

In article <ORBPa.95375$Io.8221189@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlin k.net>, Bill wrote: Ignoramus11972 wrote: In article <jcBPa.41740$C83.3293643@newsread1.prod.itd.earthli nk.net>, Bill wrote: Let's see......Crossposted to: alt.support.marriage,alt.support.divorce,misc.surv ivalism,rec.boats did you miss some other groups too? You know Igor, you really can be an *** sometimes. I hope to hell you are setting a good example for your son, but I worry sometimes. Well, I want my son to grow up into a man who can voice his disagreement when he thinks that a wrong thing is being done. That's fine. But is this a "political" newsgroup? No. It's a marriage and divorce newsgroup. Would your son understand the difference?

I will let him post something into alt.support.marriage
tonight... just to piss you off... he knows a lot of letters already.

i

Empress Otku writes:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:46:38 GMT, "Bill" <nowhere@earthlink.net> wrote:That's fine. But is this a "political" newsgroup? No. It's a marriage anddivorce newsgroup. Would your son understand the difference? Oh, well, I'm interested in these issues, Bill. Seriously, what would it hurt you to just skip these threads? It's not as if Igor is trolling.

Actually, I consider cross-posting political threads to a bunch of
unrelated irrelevant newsgroups to _be_ trolling. If that ain't
trolling, what is?

Yes, and the twin towers collapsing before our eyes was a grand illusion and
the dead body parts flying from busses and restaraunts in Jerusalem mere
fabrications. It's all connected. Perhaps your lying to yourself.

"Ignoramus11972" <ignoramus11972@NOSPAM.11972.invalid> wrote in message
news:slrnbgtu6o.nrs.ignoramus11972@manifold.algebr a.com...
You have been lied to Robert.

"Ignoramus11972" <ignoramus11972@NOSPAM.11972.invalid> wrote in message
news:slrnbgtkur.i7j.ignoramus11972@manifold.algebr a.com...

snip the bull****

I don't understand why this vodka breath insists on posting this **** HERE,
goddam
give it a rest, if you don't like it here LEAVE

In article <2MCPa.282$Y_1.252@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com>, Robert wrote: Yes, and the twin towers collapsing before our eyes was a grand illusion and the dead body parts flying from busses and restaraunts in Jerusalem mere fabrications. It's all connected. Perhaps your lying to yourself.

Iraqis had nothing to do with 9/11...

i
"Ignoramus11972" <ignoramus11972@NOSPAM.11972.invalid> wrote in message news:slrnbgtu6o.nrs.ignoramus11972@manifold.algebr a.com... You have been lied to Robert.

Oh, so Iraq is your one and only hot spot? I expect your reasons were
different from our administration's. It's becoming more and more clear that
Iraq was simply the weak kid on the block sitting atop the SECOND LARGEST
KNOWN OIL RESERVES IN THE WORLD.

Golly, I wonder if that played into their strategy. Every other excuse
seems to have run aground.


"Robert" <sellr2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:XlCPa.184$Y_1.81@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com... "I" don't have a list, so it's a cheap shot. <Empress Otku> wrote in message news:q8hogv0hcms2vgvfit0vakk8l2j5sasdfi@4ax.com... On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:29:19 -0400, "Robert" <sellr2@bellsouth.net> wrote:cheap shot.............. Maybe, maybe not. Speaking of predictions, I predicted we'd be going to Africa next. Liberia really looks like a messy place. ~Empress "`Tu'n me loose, fo' I kick de natal stuffin' outen you,' sez Brer Rabbit, sezee, but de Tar-Baby, she ain't sayin' nuthin' " ~Empress

Empress, Otku wrote: On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:29:19 -0400, "Robert" <sellr2@bellsouth.net> wrote:cheap shot.............. Maybe, maybe not. Speaking of predictions, I predicted we'd be going to Africa next. Liberia really looks like a messy place.

It sounds a lot like Quagmiria to me.
--
Tsam

Tsam Nami wrote: Ignoramus11972 wrote: Let me give you a more down to earth example. Suppose that I declare your husband to be an abuser who needs removal from your house. Then I break into your house, destroy your sunroom and electrical panel during breakin, and your cats become collateral damage. Then I occupy the house and become the ruler, staying in the master bedroom. You and your family become my subjects. Electricity is restored to the master bedroom only. Your husband is hiding in the cellar. Then I decide that your kitchen needs some remodeling. Brick countertop, glass sinks, plastic cabinets, that sort of thing. I then proceed to sell some of your furniture to pay for "reconstruction", which suspiciously is done by my overpriced contractor buddies, but is paid for by your furniture sales. There you go again.... taking a perfectly on-topic marital situation and cross-posting it to unrelated groups. :-) -- Tsam

I know why he does it. He's frustrated with his home life.

Bill wrote:
Ignoramus11972 wrote:In article <jcBPa.41740$C83.3293643@newsread1.prod.itd.earthli nk.net>, Billwrote:Let's see......Crossposted to:alt.support.marriage,alt.support.divorce,misc.s urvivalism,rec.boatsdid you miss some other groups too?You know Igor, you really can be an *** sometimes. I hope to hell you aresetting a good example for your son, but I worry sometimes.Well, I want my son to grow up into a man who can voice hisdisagreement when he thinks that a wrong thing is being done.That's fine. But is this a "political" newsgroup? No. It's a marriage anddivorce newsgroup. Would your son understand the difference?
An old and useless argument.
Yes it is a " support divorce group " and we talk about divorce and
sometimes we talk about music and food and bars and shopping and so on
and so on.
Sometimes we talk about politics to. If you don't like the particular
item, then don't join.

In article <zAEPa.95667$Io.8239562@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlin k.net>, Bill wrote: I know why he does it. He's frustrated with his home life.

Bill from Colorado calling me "frustrated with home life" is a little
bit like the pot calling the kettle black.

i

Empress wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:46:38 GMT, "Bill" <nowhere@earthlink.net>wrote:That's fine. But is this a "political" newsgroup? No. It's a marriage anddivorce newsgroup. Would your son understand the difference?Oh, well, I'm interested in these issues, Bill. Seriously, what wouldit hurt you to just skip these threads?
Skip threads? That is human impossible.
Bill is looking fore a divorce related music artist. "I've been waiting for a long time,
to have you lying next to me,
I've been hoping that you'd be mine,
and ............
"take my hand, I want to be your man,
I want to love you till the end of time"
and "be my girl" appears in there somewhere.

I can't identify the song. Can anyone help?

Thanks, Bill <

Divorce and marriage has to do with human ethics.
You can not talk about marriage or divorce and ignore ethics.
Neither can you talk about our leaders and ignore ethics.
People with week minds are getting they minds formed from the media and
public figures.
The same public figures are immoral and the media has no interest in
informing us.
Instead it is misinforming us.
Igor is pointing this out only.
Divorce and problems in a marriage are generated often by " week minds ".
Week minds are generated by non critical thinking.
The mainstream press and media are doing they best to make us to
uncritical idiots.
Ethics and moral are the top of the pyramid under which everything else is.
You can not love without moral or ethics.
It is very difficult to be moral and ethical when most of the people
with power are un ethical and immoral.
This affects the life of every one of us.
It's not as if Igor istrolling.Anyway, I've subscribed to misc.survivalism so I can read any repliesposted there. I'd subscribe to rec.boats but I get seasick.~Empress (Although I've agreed to go sailing next Wednesday. Gotdramamine?)

Ignoramus11972 wrote: In article <jcBPa.41740$C83.3293643@newsread1.prod.itd.earthli nk.net>, Bill wrote:Let's see......Crossposted to:alt.support.marriage,alt.support.divorce,misc.s urvivalism,rec.boatsdid you miss some other groups too?You know Igor, you really can be an *** sometimes. I hope to hell you aresetting a good example for your son, but I worry sometimes. Well, I want my son to grow up into a man who can voice his disagreement when he thinks that a wrong thing is being done. In fact, he is already disagreeing with me. I took him to a playground once, he points somewhere and says, look, that car is like mom's. I look and see something else, so I say, no way, it is not like her car. But he keeps objecting to me, and I say no way. Then I look a little harder and alas, there is a car that looks like mom's car. So I told him, very good that you kept disagreeing. He is 2 now. iIgnoramus11972 wrote:Let's see what is happening... Washington wants to get a big quantity ofmoney from lenders, then the plan is, no doubt, to give it to Cheney's(and the rest of the totally irrelevant bull**** snipped)

Igor,

Your views on this subject are well known to the regulars in this group.
What good comes of the constant reminders? Are you worried that the
topic will drift away from the typical citizens radar? Elections are
coming and I'm sure that if things are still going this badly in Iraq,
we will be hearing about it.

In the meantime, could you at least use "OT" or "Iraq" at the beginning
of the subject so that we:

1. Don't have to filter out all of your posts
2. Don't have to worry about trying to killfile everyone who might reply
from every group that you've posted to.

I was very active for a time in this topic but it got to a point where
the quality of the newsgroup was suffering because of all the off-topic
posts and I stopped.

West Africa has huge undeveloped oil reserves. Nigeria is a large oil
producer, but all we know about Chad is that they are sitting on lots of
oil. No wonder we are sending troops to Africa.
"jps" <trash@thedump.com> wrote in message
news:SvDPa.494$sh1.43259@news.uswest.net... Oh, so Iraq is your one and only hot spot? I expect your reasons were different from our administration's. It's becoming more and more clear
that Iraq was simply the weak kid on the block sitting atop the SECOND LARGEST KNOWN OIL RESERVES IN THE WORLD. Golly, I wonder if that played into their strategy. Every other excuse seems to have run aground. "Robert" <sellr2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:XlCPa.184$Y_1.81@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com... "I" don't have a list, so it's a cheap shot. <Empress Otku> wrote in message news:q8hogv0hcms2vgvfit0vakk8l2j5sasdfi@4ax.com... On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:29:19 -0400, "Robert" <sellr2@bellsouth.net> wrote: >cheap shot.............. Maybe, maybe not. Speaking of predictions, I predicted we'd be going to Africa next. Liberia really looks like a messy place. ~Empress "`Tu'n me loose, fo' I kick de natal stuffin' outen you,' sez Brer Rabbit, sezee, but de Tar-Baby, she ain't sayin' nuthin' " ~Empress

I don't object to people posting political stuff. What I object to is their radical insistance that I'm some kind of a gullible boob because I don't happen to agree with them. I have been around long enough (48.5 years) to have seen many happenings in the world and the political shenanigans that go along with them. I was in the U.S. Navy for quite some time and I have BEEN to some of these countries. In addition my dad (who is 80) and I often talk about politics relative to now and the past. For crying out loud I was expelled from high school for protesting the Vietnam war and as a high school senior had commentaries critical of Richard Nixon published in newspapers.
Some of these guys sound like high school political sci nerds who don't do anything but regurgitate their teachers liberal rantings that they've been pounded with all winter. I've worked closely with the broadcast television industry for almost 30 years, I know how it works and I can separate the facts from the hype. These guys sit on their rear ends and talk like they receive divine political knowlege from some big think tank in the sky that qualfies them to tell the rest of us we're idiots. All I can say is PULEEEZE GIVE ME A BREAK.

"Xenos the elder" <nufsnuIf89@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3F0F260C.1070006@hotmail.com...


Empress wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:46:38 GMT, "Bill" <nowhere@earthlink.net>
wrote:

That's fine. But is this a "political" newsgroup? No. It's a marriage and
divorce newsgroup. Would your son understand the difference?

Oh, well, I'm interested in these issues, Bill. Seriously, what would
it hurt you to just skip these threads?Skip threads? That is human impossible.
Bill is looking fore a divorce related music artist. "I've been waiting for a long time,
to have you lying next to me,
I've been hoping that you'd be mine,
and ............
"take my hand, I want to be your man,
I want to love you till the end of time"
and "be my girl" appears in there somewhere.

I can't identify the song. Can anyone help?

Thanks, Bill <

Divorce and marriage has to do with human ethics.
You can not talk about marriage or divorce and ignore ethics.
Neither can you talk about our leaders and ignore ethics.
People with week minds are getting they minds formed from the media and public figures.
The same public figures are immoral and the media has no interest in informing us.
Instead it is misinforming us.
Igor is pointing this out only.
Divorce and problems in a marriage are generated often by " week minds ".
Week minds are generated by non critical thinking.
The mainstream press and media are doing they best to make us to uncritical idiots.
Ethics and moral are the top of the pyramid under which everything else is.
You can not love without moral or ethics.
It is very difficult to be moral and ethical when most of the people with power are un ethical and immoral.
This affects the life of every one of us.


It's not as if Igor is
trolling.

Anyway, I've subscribed to misc.survivalism so I can read any replies
posted there. I'd subscribe to rec.boats but I get seasick.

~Empress (Although I've agreed to go sailing next Wednesday. Got
dramamine?)

marco wrote:
give it a rest, if you don't like it here LEAVE
Where is here fore you?
This is the internet. Wake up!

"Bill" <nowhere@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ORBPa.95375$Io.8221189@newsread2.prod.itd.ear thlink.net... Ignoramus11972 wrote: In article <jcBPa.41740$C83.3293643@newsread1.prod.itd.earthli nk.net>,
Bill wrote: Let's see......Crossposted to: alt.support.marriage,alt.support.divorce,misc.surv ivalism,rec.boats did you miss some other groups too? You know Igor, you really can be an *** sometimes. I hope to hell
you are setting a good example for your son, but I worry sometimes. Well, I want my son to grow up into a man who can voice his disagreement when he thinks that a wrong thing is being done. That's fine. But is this a "political" newsgroup? No. It's a marriage
and divorce newsgroup. Would your son understand the difference?

I like 'em anyway. alt.politics.bush is all a bunch of name calling morons.
I like a good Bush-bash when I can find 'em.

S

"Doug Anderson" <ethelthelog@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b7fzldvun2.fsf@noether.uoregon.edu... Empress Otku writes: On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:46:38 GMT, "Bill" <nowhere@earthlink.net> wrote:That's fine. But is this a "political" newsgroup? No. It's a
marriage anddivorce newsgroup. Would your son understand the difference? Oh, well, I'm interested in these issues, Bill. Seriously, what would it hurt you to just skip these threads? It's not as if Igor is trolling. Actually, I consider cross-posting political threads to a bunch of unrelated irrelevant newsgroups to _be_ trolling. If that ain't trolling, what is?

Another version of trolling is entering a commuty and posting intentionally
inflammatory material to start a fight among the regulars. For instance, if
you go over to alt.parenting.solutions, you will see regular instigtors who
throw out the word c*ircumcision, step back and watch the flames.

S

Robert wrote:
My. However after 911 when Bush said "we're coming to get you"I said to myself "it's about time".
Why did Bush stop the investigation in to 911? Does he has something to
hide?
Why was Blix not given more time?
Where is the evidence of WMD?
The infrastructure fore producing the got dismantelt years ago.
Why was Saddam when he was poisoning the Iranians ( years back ) the
good guy?
Why were the Kurds suplyed with false information then and then left alone.?
Israel has over 80 atomic bombs and WMD and has been using the WMD on
Palestinians but is not a security threat?
I never will forget that the USA was using 8 times they veto fore
sending UN troops to East Timor.
Suharto ( president/ dictator of Indonesia ) was best friend of the USA
then and the murder of 2 million civilians.
It is about the oil of Iraq.
It is about the " New World Order ". Translate as " neo imperialism ".

Robert wrote:
Follow the money
It is coming mainly from Saudi Arabia.
Or in case of the early Taliban. USA.
Saddams regime was s e c u l a r e.
Iran's regime is religious. Al Qaida is religious.
That's why they had a war with 2 million deaths on both side. ( Iran
Iraq war )
No " wonder " Saddam " likes " Bin Laden ".
"Stephanie S" <stowe@vsac.orgnospam> wrote in messagenews:4%FPa.11468$Hw.8804514@news2.news.adel phia.net...How do these dots get connected in people's minds. I died laughing, if indismay, when I heard the speach by Bin Laden which supposedly proved theassociation with Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden liked Hussein almost as littleashe likes us.Can someone explain to me the supposed link Irag and Hussein had to 911?Cause all I see is smoke and mirrors.S"Robert" <sellr2@bellsouth.net> wrote in messagenews:2MCPa.282$Y_1.252@fe04.atl2.webusenet. com...Yes, and the twin towers collapsing before our eyes was a grand illusionandthe dead body parts flying from busses and restaraunts in Jerusalem merefabrications. It's all connected. Perhaps your lying to yourself."Ignoramus11972" <ignoramus11972@NOSPAM.11972.invalid> wrote in messagenews:slrnbgtu6o.nrs.ignoramus11972@manifold .algebra.com... You have been lied to Robert.

On 11 Jul 2003 15:12:28 GMT, Ignoramus11972
<ignoramus11972@NOSPAM.11972.invalid> wrote:
Let's see what is happening... Washington wants to get a big quantity ofmoney from lenders, then the plan is, no doubt, to give it to Cheney'shalliburton, Bechtel etc. Then Iraqi oil will be used to repay theloan.

Actually, the money is going to Carthage, in the form of bribes, to
pay for Visigoth mercenaries, to storm Byzantium, and to reestablish
the Mayan Empire but in the Middle East. The Holy Oil will be used to
light the ritual torches used to illuminate the pyramid top human
sacrifices of Jewish babies and in doing so, restore the Sahara to its
former glory as the home of Atlantis.

Hey, works for me.

Gunner

"What do you call someone in possesion of all the facts? Paranoid.-William Burroughs

On 11 Jul 2003 22:47:28 GMT, Ignoramus11972
<ignoramus11972@NOSPAM.11972.invalid> wrote:
Democrats voted for the Iraq war in Congress. The war was conductedpretty much as they could expect. So any attempts to distancethemselves from the quite inevitable failures of the Iraq campaign is alittbe bit disingenious.

What failures?

Gunner

"What do you call someone in possesion of all the facts? Paranoid.-William Burroughs

Israeli use of napalm in Lebanon:

http://www.giwersworld.org/israel/more-pics/
http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/3cf132c1ffa8351885256aef0054688d?OpenDocument

`` - On 28 July, in the central sector of southern Lebanon, Israeli
fighter aircraft and Cobra helicopters carried out scores of raids on
villages in the area and on the town of Nabatiye, reducing parts of it
to rubble. Napalm was used in the raids, causing widespread
fires. Raids were directed against Douair, destroying homes and the
mosque, Zawtar al-Charqiye, Zawtar al-Gharbiye, Haruf, Tibnine,
Charqiye, whose mosque and school were destroyed, Zibdine, Kafr Sir,
Maifadoun, Kafr Roumman, Choukine, Habbouch and Jibchit. This was
followed by heavy artillery shelling which caused heavy damage.''

i

In article <3F0FE13C.8060702@hotmail.com>, Xenos the elder wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.nti.org/e_research/e1_israel_bwabstracts.html Robert wrote:Xenos, refresh my memory, When did Israel use WMD on the Palestinians?Israel has over 80 atomic bombs and WMD and has been using the WMD onPalestinians but is not a security threat? Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1"> <title></title></head><body><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.nti.org/e_research/e1_israel_bwabstracts.html">http://www.nti.org/e_research/e1_israel_bwabstracts.html</a><br><br><br> Robert wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite" cite="midVOGPa.1250$Sf1.11@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com"> <pre wrap="">Xenos, refresh my memory, When did Israel use WMD on the Palestinians? </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Israel has over 80 atomic bombs and WMD and has been using the WMD on Palestinians but is not a security threat? </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> </pre></blockquote><br></body></html>

Napalm is neither a nuclear weapon nor a biological weapon and therefore
would not be considered a WMD. It is a cruel way to kill people, but then
killing any innocent person is cruel now isn't it?
"Ignoramus14756" <ignoramus14756@NOSPAM.14756.invalid> wrote in message
news:slrnbgvuel.h35.ignoramus14756@manifold.algebr a.com... Israeli use of napalm in Lebanon: http://www.giwersworld.org/israel/more-pics/
http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/3cf132c1ffa8351885256aef0054688d?OpenDocu
ment `` - On 28 July, in the central sector of southern Lebanon, Israeli fighter aircraft and Cobra helicopters carried out scores of raids on villages in the area and on the town of Nabatiye, reducing parts of it to rubble. Napalm was used in the raids, causing widespread fires. Raids were directed against Douair, destroying homes and the mosque, Zawtar al-Charqiye, Zawtar al-Gharbiye, Haruf, Tibnine, Charqiye, whose mosque and school were destroyed, Zibdine, Kafr Sir, Maifadoun, Kafr Roumman, Choukine, Habbouch and Jibchit. This was followed by heavy artillery shelling which caused heavy damage.'' i In article <3F0FE13C.8060702@hotmail.com>, Xenos the elder wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.nti.org/e_research/e1_israel_bwabstracts.html Robert wrote:Xenos, refresh my memory, When did Israel use WMD on the Palestinians?>Israel has over 80 atomic bombs and WMD and has been using the WMD on>Palestinians but is not a security threat?>> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1"> <title></title></head><body><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.nti.org/e_research/e1_israel_bwabstracts.html">http://www.n
ti.org/e_research/e1_israel_bwabstracts.html</a><br><br><br> Robert wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite" cite="midVOGPa.1250$Sf1.11@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com"> <pre wrap="">Xenos, refresh my memory, When did Israel use WMD on the
Palestinians? </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Israel has over 80 atomic bombs and WMD and has been
using the WMD on Palestinians but is not a security threat? </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> </pre></blockquote><br></body></html>

Stephanie and Tim wrote: Where did you hear this? If the Taliban regularly calls for antifada, how can the secularness of Iraq be irrelevant?

Antipasta with sugarlness? Guess that this has relevance for alt.cooking,
and maybe misc.survivalism, but I am struggling with alt.aupport.marriage
and alt.support.divorce (rec.boats - we'll leave that one alone). S <SNIP HTML post>

Where did you hear this? If the Taliban regularly calls for antifada, how
can the secularness of Iraq be irrelevant?

S


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"Tai" <tainuiti@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:beo4r9$7dajp$1@ID-123442.news.uni-berlin.de... Stephanie S wrote: Another version of trolling is entering a commuty and posting intentionally inflammatory material to start a fight among the regulars. For instance, if you go over to alt.parenting.solutions, you will see regular instigtors who throw out the word c*ircumcision, step back and watch the flames. Another parenting group had a discussion on that topic in the last week or so. My jaw dropped when I read one post which contained (paraphrased)
"dirty smelly turtlenecks". Oh my, oh my..... <thud>


THAT thread actually started on topic.
I usually skip Igor's trolling war threads - when I want to read about
the total fakeout the "weapons of mass destruction" excuse was I need only
read the newspaper. Tai Tai