I truly hope that you will listen and get something out of
this realaudio presentation. It is chock full of just the stuff
you are needing.

http://www.whyy.org/91FM/Voices.html

I would imagine a man of your estimable qualifications could find a way.

You didn't seem the cubicle type to me (not that there is anything wrong
with it).


"Seeker" <anon-30263@anon.twwells.com> wrote in message
news:070720031906542671%anon-30263@anon.twwells.com... In article <8djOa.5907$19.2319@nwrdny03.gnilink.net>, urf <urf@nospam.com> wrote: I truly hope that you will listen and get something out of this realaudio presentation. It is chock full of just the stuff you are needing. http://www.whyy.org/91FM/Voices.html I'd love to listen to it, but I'm in a cube farm at work so I can't listen to it there and I don't have RealPlayer on my computer at home. They wouldn't happen to have a transcript, would they? Ted

In article <4zqdnXDlEpYLvpeiXTWJjg@comcast.com>, urf <urf@nospam.com>
wrote:
I would imagine a man of your estimable qualifications could find a way.
I may give it a shot.... I haven't yet looked to see if there's a
RealAudio plugin for my Mac.
You didn't seem the cubicle type to me (not that there is anything wrong with it).

I don't know what the "cubicle type" is, but that's what I'm in. Other
than it makes it impossible to have a truly private phone call (makes
conversations with my wife sometimes a bit one-sided, although that's
been rare), I kind of like it. I had been in a private office because
of my pay grade, but the company was short of offices and needed to
give them only to people who had people working for them. I was given
the opportunity to pick any free cube I wanted (there were quite a few
since this was right after a lay-off) and I picked the one right behind
the area's administrative assistant -- I figured there'd be a lot of
traffic and I wouldn't feel as isolated as i had where I'd been -- and
I'm glad I made the choice.

Ted

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 00:06:55 GMT, Seeker <anon-30263@anon.twwells.com>
wrote:
In article <8djOa.5907$19.2319@nwrdny03.gnilink.net>, urf<urf@nospam.com> wrote: I truly hope that you will listen and get something out of this realaudio presentation. It is chock full of just the stuff you are needing. http://www.whyy.org/91FM/Voices.htmlI'd love to listen to it, but I'm in a cube farm at work so I can'tlisten to it there and I don't have RealPlayer on my computer at home.They wouldn't happen to have a transcript, would they?

Since WHYY is my local public radio station, I think I'll jump in and
help Seeker here out here. The show is "Voices in the Family" and
apparently Urf was referring to the current one, which is called
"Encore Presentation: Making Changes". Being and "Encore
Presentation", I suspect it's a repeat of a past show. Here's every
past show:
http://www.whyy.org/91FM/Voicespast.html

Also, in your cubicle you can listen on headphones, can't you?

I don't see any mention of transcripts or ordering audio tapes, though
I know other shows on WHYY make them available. You could try one of
WHYY's contact addresses:
http://www.whyy.org/email/index.html

- Randy

Seeker wrote: In article <8djOa.5907$19.2319@nwrdny03.gnilink.net>, urf <urf@nospam.com> wrote: I truly hope that you will listen and get something out of this realaudio presentation. It is chock full of just the stuff you are needing. http://www.whyy.org/91FM/Voices.html I'd love to listen to it, but I'm in a cube farm at work so I can't listen to it there and I don't have RealPlayer on my computer at home. They wouldn't happen to have a transcript, would they?

I listened to it in _my_ cube farm yesterday, using headphones,
while doing some work.

I found the discussions helpful. Thanks, urf.
--
Tsam

In article <3F0AF7C9.6D788912@tidal.wav>, Tsam Nami
<tsam-nami@tidal.wav> wrote:
I listened to it in _my_ cube farm yesterday, using headphones, while doing some work.

We're not allowed to have headphones at work. It's an
honest-to-goodness safety rule -- we might not hear the emergency
alarms!

Ted

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:50:06 GMT, "Bill" <nowhere@earthlink.net>
wrote:
What I was trying to suggest is not everyone pursues happiness, and that iswhat life is all (or mainly) about. For example, some might pursue principleor be on some mission to such an extreme that happiness might not - and cannot - really be concominant with that. IOW, something which is not happinessoriented, per se. (N.B.: I'm not saying that that is good - I'm juststating that it can happen).

I think it's safe to say that all people pursue meaning, or suffer
terribly without it.


~Empress

Ted, I am a serious man.

I predict that you will never be able to resolve any issues
with your wife until such time as you can figure out how
to use headphones.


"Seeker" <anon-30263@anon.twwells.com> wrote in message
news:100720030004217791%anon-30263@anon.twwells.com... In article <NEUOa.38346$U23.21894@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, urf <urf@nospam.com> wrote: I am beginning to believe that you have been playing the *poor me* game
for so long that you no longer understand the rules. And I believe you're taking me just a slight bit too seriously. I was speaking the absolute truth about the rule about no headphones. But of course a lot of people have them anyway. I don't because I've never wanted to have any -- at the least, I feel it is quite antisocial. I face sideways to the cube entrance and I'd never know if anybody was stopping by if I couldn't hear them. Ted

urf wrote: Ted, I am a serious man. I predict that you will never be able to resolve any issues with your wife until such time as you can figure out how to use headphones.
urf, for a serious man I find the above pretty funny ;-)

Like a lot of people, Ted appears to be more creative when it comes to
coming up with excuses than he is at solving problems he doesn't really
want to solve.


"Seeker" <anon-30263@anon.twwells.com> wrote in message news:100720030004217791%anon-30263@anon.twwells.com...In article <NEUOa.38346$U23.21894@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, urf<urf@nospam.com> wrote:I am beginning to believe that you have been playing the *poor me* game forsolong that you no longer understand the rules.And I believe you're taking me just a slight bit too seriously. I wasspeaking the absolute truth about the rule about no headphones. Butof course a lot of people have them anyway. I don't because I'venever wanted to have any -- at the least, I feel it is quiteantisocial. I face sideways to the cube entrance and I'd never know ifanybody was stopping by if I couldn't hear them.Ted

twoFive wrote: urf wrote: Ted, I am a serious man. I predict that you will never be able to resolve any issues with your wife until such time as you can figure out how to use headphones.

Now THAT is hilarious!! !!! ROFLMAO !!!
urf, for a serious man I find the above pretty funny ;-) Like a lot of people, Ted appears to be more creative when it comes to coming up with excuses than he is at solving problems he doesn't really want to solve.

Precisely. Case closed.

Seeker <anon-30263@anon.twwells.com> wrote in message news:<100720030004217791%anon-30263@anon.twwells.com>... In article <NEUOa.38346$U23.21894@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, urf <urf@nospam.com> wrote: I am beginning to believe that you have been playing the *poor me* game for so long that you no longer understand the rules. And I believe you're taking me just a slight bit too seriously. I was speaking the absolute truth about the rule about no headphones. But of course a lot of people have them anyway. I don't because I've never wanted to have any -- at the least, I feel it is quite antisocial. I face sideways to the cube entrance and I'd never know if anybody was stopping by if I couldn't hear them. Ted

Urf:
It has been going on relentlessly for who knows how long. You are one
amongst many who have tried to point out to Seeker other points of
view, suggestions, recommendations and most have given up. A few
continue,and I have wondered from time to time, what is up with those
who keep trying. I guess as someone pointed out, perhaps it might
help someone else who is struggling with this issue, who might
actually wish to have a happy life.

To all who are not really familiar with URF; to know Urf is to love
him, right Urf?

keelandra sislack wrote: Seeker <anon-30263@anon.twwells.com> wrote in message news:<100720030004217791%anon-30263@anon.twwells.com>...In article <NEUOa.38346$U23.21894@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, urf<urf@nospam.com> wrote:I am beginning to believe that you have been playing the *poor me* game forsolong that you no longer understand the rules.And I believe you're taking me just a slight bit too seriously. I wasspeaking the absolute truth about the rule about no headphones. Butof course a lot of people have them anyway. I don't because I'venever wanted to have any -- at the least, I feel it is quiteantisocial. I face sideways to the cube entrance and I'd never know ifanybody was stopping by if I couldn't hear them.Ted Urf: It has been going on relentlessly for who knows how long. You are one amongst many who have tried to point out to Seeker other points of view, suggestions, recommendations and most have given up. A few continue,and I have wondered from time to time, what is up with those who keep trying. I guess as someone pointed out, perhaps it might help someone else who is struggling with this issue, who might actually wish to have a happy life. To all who are not really familiar with URF; to know Urf is to love him, right Urf?

Well I've enjoyed some of the fresh voices trying to help Seeker and
it's especially interesting to see how he responds to Urf whose online
presence (and maybe real life too) suggest that he's somebody very worth
listening to.

keelandra sislack <keelandrasislack@yahoo.com> wrote:
To all who are not really familiar with URF; to know Urf is to love him, right Urf?

Of course!

In article <UqdPa.25846$Ha.14310@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>, urf
<urf@nospam.com> wrote:
Ted, I am a serious man. I predict that you will never be able to resolve any issues with your wife until such time as you can figure out how to use headphones.

"urf", you and I understand each other perfectly, despite the image
that may come across!

Thanks for the laugh.

Ted

In article <3f0da66a$0$179$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>, twoFive wrote:
Well I've enjoyed some of the fresh voices trying to help Seeker and it's especially interesting to see how he responds to Urf whose online presence (and maybe real life too) suggest that he's somebody very worth listening to.

You think I'm not? tsk tsk.

Ted

Seeker wrote: In article <3f0da66a$0$179$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>, twoFive wrote:Well I've enjoyed some of the fresh voices trying to help Seeker andit's especially interesting to see how he responds to Urf whose onlinepresence (and maybe real life too) suggest that he's somebody very worthlistening to. You think I'm not? tsk tsk.
Ted

Oh, don't be too hurt ;-)

Depending on the subject area, there a number of people in this group I
would approach for advice including you.

Urf is different though. For some reason, he strikes me as someone who
has the benefit of having a life well lived behind every piece of advice
or commentary he offers.

Most of the rest of the voices here are relatively young and/or still at
least slightly tinged with a pain from the past (or present).

"keelandra sislack" <keelandrasislack@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:56904c48.0307100818.20c1a15d@posting.google.c om... Seeker <anon-30263@anon.twwells.com> wrote in message
news:<100720030004217791%anon-30263@anon.twwells.com>... In article <NEUOa.38346$U23.21894@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, urf <urf@nospam.com> wrote: I am beginning to believe that you have been playing the *poor me*
game for so long that you no longer understand the rules. And I believe you're taking me just a slight bit too seriously. I was speaking the absolute truth about the rule about no headphones. But of course a lot of people have them anyway. I don't because I've never wanted to have any -- at the least, I feel it is quite antisocial. I face sideways to the cube entrance and I'd never know if anybody was stopping by if I couldn't hear them. Ted Urf: It has been going on relentlessly for who knows how long. You are one amongst many who have tried to point out to Seeker other points of view, suggestions, recommendations and most have given up. A few continue,and I have wondered from time to time, what is up with those who keep trying. I guess as someone pointed out, perhaps it might help someone else who is struggling with this issue, who might actually wish to have a happy life. To all who are not really familiar with URF; to know Urf is to love him, right Urf?

Like the Beatles song said. *Love is all there is.*
I could not live without loving and being loved.

"twoFive" <twoFive25123atyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3f0da66a$0$179$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com.. . keelandra sislack wrote: Seeker <anon-30263@anon.twwells.com> wrote in message
news:<100720030004217791%anon-30263@anon.twwells.com>...In article <NEUOa.38346$U23.21894@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, urf<urf@nospam.com> wrote:>I am beginning to believe that you have been playing the *poor me* game
for>so>long that you no longer understand the rules.And I believe you're taking me just a slight bit too seriously. I wasspeaking the absolute truth about the rule about no headphones. Butof course a lot of people have them anyway. I don't because I'venever wanted to have any -- at the least, I feel it is quiteantisocial. I face sideways to the cube entrance and I'd never know ifanybody was stopping by if I couldn't hear them.Ted Urf: It has been going on relentlessly for who knows how long. You are one amongst many who have tried to point out to Seeker other points of view, suggestions, recommendations and most have given up. A few continue,and I have wondered from time to time, what is up with those who keep trying. I guess as someone pointed out, perhaps it might help someone else who is struggling with this issue, who might actually wish to have a happy life. To all who are not really familiar with URF; to know Urf is to love him, right Urf? Well I've enjoyed some of the fresh voices trying to help Seeker and it's especially interesting to see how he responds to Urf whose online presence (and maybe real life too) suggest that he's somebody very worth listening to.

I feel warmed by your compliment. Thank you.

Deep inside me still resides
a strong need to be loved.

Thank you for recognizing it.


"keelandra sislack" <keelandrasislack@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:56904c48.0307100818.20c1a15d@posting.google.c om... Seeker <anon-30263@anon.twwells.com> wrote in message
news:<100720030004217791%anon-30263@anon.twwells.com>... In article <NEUOa.38346$U23.21894@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, urf <urf@nospam.com> wrote: I am beginning to believe that you have been playing the *poor me*
game for so long that you no longer understand the rules. And I believe you're taking me just a slight bit too seriously. I was speaking the absolute truth about the rule about no headphones. But of course a lot of people have them anyway. I don't because I've never wanted to have any -- at the least, I feel it is quite antisocial. I face sideways to the cube entrance and I'd never know if anybody was stopping by if I couldn't hear them. Ted Urf: It has been going on relentlessly for who knows how long. You are one amongst many who have tried to point out to Seeker other points of view, suggestions, recommendations and most have given up. A few continue,and I have wondered from time to time, what is up with those who keep trying. I guess as someone pointed out, perhaps it might help someone else who is struggling with this issue, who might actually wish to have a happy life. To all who are not really familiar with URF; to know Urf is to love him, right Urf?

urf wrote: My pleasure Ted. Life is about pleasure.

It is? You could have fooled me.

In article <3f0e217b$0$177$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>, twoFive wrote:
Urf is different though. For some reason, he strikes me as someone who has the benefit of having a life well lived behind every piece of advice or commentary he offers.

Agreed.

Ted

keelandra sislack wrote:
It has been going on relentlessly for who knows how long. You are one amongst many who have tried to point out to Seeker other points of view, suggestions, recommendations and most have given up. A few continue,and I have wondered from time to time, what is up with those who keep trying. I guess as someone pointed out, perhaps it might help someone else who is struggling with this issue, who might actually wish to have a happy life.

It is frustrating but it's also fascinating watching someone who thinks
quite differently to oneself working through their feelings. Also, there has
been change, it's just been sooooo slooooow.......

To all who are not really familiar with URF; to know Urf is to love him, right Urf?

lol

Right, KS.

Tai
(thinking unkind thoughts about people who adopt difficult to spell
nicknames)

Many people are fooled into thinking it's about something else
but what else is there?

"Bill" <nowhere@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:2drPa.41205$C83.3240883@newsread1.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net... urf wrote: My pleasure Ted. Life is about pleasure. It is? You could have fooled me.

What I was trying to suggest is not everyone pursues happiness, and that is
what life is all (or mainly) about. For example, some might pursue principle
or be on some mission to such an extreme that happiness might not - and can
not - really be concominant with that. IOW, something which is not happiness
oriented, per se. (N.B.: I'm not saying that that is good - I'm just
stating that it can happen).

urf wrote: Many people are fooled into thinking it's about something else but what else is there? "Bill" <nowhere@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:2drPa.41205$C83.3240883@newsread1.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net... urf wrote: My pleasure Ted. Life is about pleasure. It is? You could have fooled me.

"urf" <urf@nospam.com> writes:
Many people are fooled into thinking it's about something else but what else is there?

I have a feeling that however anyone answers this, it can be made into
a semantic argument.

I'll say it is about fulfillment, and about using one's abilities in a
way that feels right, and about loving and being loved. Then you can
either disagree, or say that each of these is ultimately about
pleasure.

exactly.

"Doug Anderson" <ethelthelog@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:iqr84xvv4f.fsf@noether.uoregon.edu... "urf" <urf@nospam.com> writes: Many people are fooled into thinking it's about something else but what else is there? I have a feeling that however anyone answers this, it can be made into a semantic argument. I'll say it is about fulfillment, and about using one's abilities in a way that feels right, and about loving and being loved. Then you can either disagree, or say that each of these is ultimately about pleasure.

"urf" <urf@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:1LyPa.31945$Ha.15878@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... Many people are fooled into thinking it's about something else but what else is there?

For some people, it is about making a difference in the world, or helping
other people. Mother Theresa comes to mind as an example. I doubt that
cleaning up the bodily fluids of dying people is much pleasure, and I doubt
that seeking pleasure was really the driving force in her life.

"Bill" <nowhere@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:2drPa.41205$C83.3240883@newsread1.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net... urf wrote: My pleasure Ted. Life is about pleasure. It is? You could have fooled me.

For me, Lance Armstrong comes to mind.

Why does he do it? Why would he put all that time and energy
and pain into this extreme form of a simple thing, riding a
bicycle?

I think it from the pleasure he gets from the accomplishment.

Maybe that is Mother Theresa's inner reward too.
Maybe to her it feels good to help others in the way
that she did.


"fairly_happy" <fairly_happywithoutspam@withoutspamyahoo.com> wrote in
message news:_cUPa.3751$Y_1.131@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com... "urf" <urf@nospam.com> wrote in message news:1LyPa.31945$Ha.15878@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... Many people are fooled into thinking it's about something else but what else is there? For some people, it is about making a difference in the world, or helping other people. Mother Theresa comes to mind as an example. I doubt that cleaning up the bodily fluids of dying people is much pleasure, and I
doubt that seeking pleasure was really the driving force in her life. "Bill" <nowhere@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:2drPa.41205$C83.3240883@newsread1.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net... urf wrote: > My pleasure Ted. > > Life is about pleasure. It is? You could have fooled me.

fairly_happy wrote: "urf" <urf@nospam.com> wrote in message news:1LyPa.31945$Ha.15878@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...M any people are fooled into thinking it's about something elsebut what else is there? For some people, it is about making a difference in the world, or helping other people. Mother Theresa comes to mind as an example. I doubt that cleaning up the bodily fluids of dying people is much pleasure, and I doubt that seeking pleasure was really the driving force in her life.

I love windsurfing and playing soccer, but that doesn't mean that I
enjoy every aspect of them.

For that matter, I've always felt pretty good after a day spent
volunteering to do whatever, even if that actual work was mostly trudgery.

I don't know what drove Mother Theresa, but there's all kinds of pleasure.
"Bill" <nowhere@earthlink.net> wrote in messagenews:2drPa.41205$C83.3240883@newsread1.prod .itd.earthlink.net...urf wrote:>My pleasure Ted.>>Life is about pleasure.It is? You could have fooled me.

In article <aAzQa.11495$Y92.5797@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, urf
<urf@nospam.com> wrote:
Maybe that is Mother Theresa's inner reward too. Maybe to her it feels good to help others in the way that she did.

Maybe she's in touch with something else.

Ted

"Seeker" <anon-30263@anon.twwells.com> wrote in message
news:140720031849472845%anon-30263@anon.twwells.com... In article <aAzQa.11495$Y92.5797@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, urf <urf@nospam.com> wrote: Maybe that is Mother Theresa's inner reward too. Maybe to her it feels good to help others in the way that she did. Maybe she's in touch with something else. Ted

Certainly she was. That is why I must remain open to new thoughts
and ideas. I must remain ready to discard any of my preconceptions
and adopt that which serves me best now. It is a truth that I embrace.
The same could be said for you or anyone else.