>Subject: Re: Any comments Steve? Or Others?From: Robin Harritt no.spam.for@me.thanksDate: 1/31/2005 9:16 P.M. Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <368730F4sqjeuU3@individual.net>Jackie wrote:Marcy wrote.. on Jan 16 =20Jackie, thank you, I don't pressure the birthmoms, this is a=ADbout the=m and the =20baby, not about me or the adoptive parents. =20Marcy I left the group before you posted about your family and the curre=ntadoptions you are facilitating.. =20Has she posted about the current adoptions that she is facilitating? How =do they differ from previous adoptions that she has facilitated? You=20know that all she does is place advertisements in the Yellow Pages,=20apparently, though sometimes her description of what she does changes=20rather, so I'm a bit confused.I am still disgusted by Robin's latest post..Good, that worked well then.I am heading over to adoption.com..One can actually discuss things over =there.. Everyone's opinions are respected.. =20Of course if you say anything controversial there, your posts gets=20removed and you are banned. I'm not quite sure how that respects=20everyone's opinions. BTW I have seven different identities on adoption.


Robin, I suspect you have seven different identities in real life, one of them
being an attempt to be a nice, reasonable guy, but your true colors shine
through when you make vulgar references like you did to Jackie. You show
yourself to be a gutter snipe with a mind like a cheap porn magazine. Not at
all attractive. I haven't seen Jackie as a victim, I see Jackie as trying to
come to terms with what happened to her, trying to deal in her own way with a
very traumatic loss. And yes people do blame others when they are hurt,
especially if that is how their family has systematiclly dealt with hurt, a
learned response. I think Jackie is trying to unlearn that and find some peace.
I don't know if you and others bashing her, is helping, that only results in a
below the belt slug fest. This is not a therapy group, but it sure jumps on and
attacks the weak and vulnerable.

Some may not agree but they do not do what they do here.. GR (justbefore she left) said to me.. "Why are you wasting your time on Robin?"That was when I stopped reading his posts.. She was right.. =20Umm=85 how did you manage to answer one a little while ago without readin=g it?What gets me is he 'counsels' adoptees in the UK.. Lord knows what hesays to them.. Horrible man.. Just horrible.. =20I don't "counsel" anyone Jackie, I don't believe in councelling as a=20part of reunion (having tried it), though I do put people in touch with=20councellors if they wish. I do work as a support to all sides in=20adoption.

Bull**** Robin, I don't see you being a supportive person, you blame and
attack. You have a serious mean streak. You support all sides in the adoption,
but you don't do counseling?

pot calling the kettle black, exponentially squared ad finitum


That involves having to understand all sides in adoption,

Something you clearly couldn't do as angry as you are

something which you would very obviously never be able to do, as it is=20clear that to you, the only person whose needs and feelings matter is=20the birthmother.

It's hard to have empathy for others needs if you are still dealing with your
own traumas, I would guess that is why Jackie is here, it's a process. If you
think that is Jackie's issue, how is attacking her below the belt helping?
Especially in the childish way that you attack?

I also think he represents Bastard Nation over there.. That makes mesad.. =20That is news to me, and no doubt to BN. We already have open records=20here, we've a little bit further to go in obtaining unencumbered access=20to files, but then, true openness involving the family knowing about=20each other is about the very last thing in the world that you want ay=20Jackie.I am / was a member of BN, though just because I support its cause not=20as any kind of rep. I should send them a sub. And I could definitely do=20with one of their teeshirts to wear when I'm at the Houses of Parliament =actually doing something adoption issues.Robin

in article 20050201062804.15549.00000388@mb-m02.aol.com, Chosenchildinc1
at chosenchildinc1@aol.com wrote on 1/2/05 11:28 am:

<snip>

Robin, I suspect you have seven different identities in real life,

No just the one. I use my full current name here and on the rest of
Usenet,
I used to use the nic robinjh but no longer feel it necessary. How about
you and Jackie hiding behind her maiden name.

one of them being an attempt to be a nice, reasonable guy, but your
true colors shine through when you make vulgar references like you did to
Jackie.


When I'm here I'm nice to the nice people and nasty to the nasty people.


You show yourself to be a gutter snipe with a mind like a cheap porn
magazine. Not at all attractive.


I'm using much the same imagery as newspaper cartoonist here use to depict
the Bush Blair relationship, mush the same way they depicted Wilson and LBJ
in the 60s. It's metaphorical and it's satirical, it's not pornographic, I
can't imagine anyone being turned on by you and Jackie any more than I can
imagine anyone being turned by Blair and the chimp.


I haven't seen Jackie as a victim, I see Jackie as trying to come to
terms with what happened to her, trying to deal in her own way with a very
traumatic loss.


You must of not been listening properly in psychology class.


And yes people do blame others when they are hurt, especially if that
is how their family has systematiclly dealt with hurt, a learned response. I
think Jackie is trying to unlearn that and find some peace. I don't know if
you and others bashing her, is helping, that only results in a below the belt
slug fest. This is not a therapy group, but it sure jumps on and attacks
the weak and vulnerable.


Well she's been using Usenet for long enough she knows what to do, and
so do
you.

I don't "counsel" anyone Jackie, I don't believe in councelling as a
part of reunion (having tried it), though I do put people in touch with
councellors if they wish. I do work as a support to all sides in adoption.

<snip>

Bull**** Robin, I don't see you being a supportive person, you blame and attack. You have a serious mean streak. You support all sides in the
adoption, but you don't do counseling?


No, I don't do counselling, there are quite a few very grateful people who
are now happily reunited with their adult child, their parent or their
siblings or a mixture of each, who would not have been reunited without my
help or intervention. I'm quite proud of that.


pot calling the kettle black, exponentially squared ad finitum That
involves having to understand all sides in adoption, Something you clearly
couldn't do as angry as you are


That would be difficult *if I were* angry but I'm not. I do sometimes
try
to make an example by treating people as they treat others. Sometimes I
might even hyperbolise that in a cartoonistic fashion. This isn't a
support
group, I'm not under any obligation to be supportive here. I feel more
inclined to towards exposing psueds like Jackie and greedy little flesh
peddlers like you Marcy.


[me to Jackie]
something which you would very obviously never be able to do, as it
is clear that to you, the only person whose needs and feelings matter is the birthmother.

It's hard to have empathy for others needs if you are still dealing
with your own traumas, I would guess that is why Jackie is here, it's a
process. If you think that is Jackie's issue, how is attacking her below the belt
helping? Especially in the childish way that you attack?


That might have made sense to me five years ago, but I've had lot more
experience of Jackie's ever increasing self-centredness since then. It
is a
shame that adoption.com is so heavily censored, otherwise no doubt
everyone
there would have seen Jackie's true colors by now. Jackie's need to
excrete
her vitriol is a major reason for her continued presence here. As you may
well find out the next time the wind changes, Marcy.


Robin