Dear all,

my wife (41) and I (35) are trying to adopt a child after unsuccessful
ICSI-treatments. But according to the stupid German laws, the local
Jugendamt will not approve an adoption of a child under 3 years for
people over the age of 35 (although nowadays many woman in Germany
have their children at the age of 40 or even above!).
Even in case of an approval, the whole procedure takes up to several
years.

We are now looking for the possibilities of an internation adoption.
This is only possible in countries that did not approve the respective
convention of Den Haag to avoid trouble from the Jugendamt.

Who has information and/or addresses (e.g. from Guatemala) ?
In case that an adoption is officially legalised by local authorities
of that country - what about legal entry of the child in Germany ?

To make it clear: We do not want to BUY a child, nor support child
trade or other illegal activities. But unfortunately we are forced to
choose an inconverntioal way to finally fulfil our wish of an own
child.

THANKS for any information!!!


Best regards,

Johannes & Daniela
from Germany

Johannes wrote:
Dear all,my wife (41) and I (35) are trying to adopt a child after unsuccessfulICSI-treatments. But according to the stupid German laws, the localJugendamt will not approve an adoption of a child under 3 years forpeople over the age of 35 (although nowadays many woman in Germanyhave their children at the age of 40 or even above!).


So, why not try for one 3 years old or over ? In Germany as in most
modern European countries, adoption is a service for children, not a
service for adults with baby lust.


Robin

In article <6dc3375f.0501050229.3ba70ffc@posting.google.com>,
Johannes_1969@gmx.de (Johannes) wrote:
Dear all, my wife (41) and I (35) are trying to adopt a child after unsuccessful ICSI-treatments. But according to the stupid German laws, the local Jugendamt will not approve an adoption of a child under 3 years for people over the age of 35 (although nowadays many woman in Germany have their children at the age of 40 or even above!). Even in case of an approval, the whole procedure takes up to several years. We are now looking for the possibilities of an internation adoption. This is only possible in countries that did not approve the respective convention of Den Haag to avoid trouble from the Jugendamt. Who has information and/or addresses (e.g. from Guatemala) ? In case that an adoption is officially legalised by local authorities of that country - what about legal entry of the child in Germany ? To make it clear: We do not want to BUY a child, nor support child trade or other illegal activities. But unfortunately we are forced to choose an inconverntioal way to finally fulfil our wish of an own child. THANKS for any information!!!


As an American, I don't know the German laws at all. Some tips from what
I've learned about international adoption (from an American view, of
course):

You really must work with an experienced agency that handles
international adoption. The laws vary greatly from country to country.
The agency you work with must (of course) also have a thorough
understanding of German law. In the U.S., there are some people who try
to 'short-circuit' working with an agency, and usually they end up
having miserable problems.

Also, in some countries, the corruption of the local adoption process is
particularly egregrious. Ukraine is one, Camdodia is so bad that our
State Department recently banned approval of adoptiosn there, and sadly
Guatemala can be another place where corruption is the norm. On the
other hand, China has a fairly clean process that has won favorable
reviews. A fair number of Americans (including several personal friends
of mine) have adopted from China and report that the process is
honorable and straight-forward.

From an American point of view, adopting a child overseas means also
getting the child adopted at home. There are horror stories here of
children who, while adopted overseas, did not complete the process at
home, only to be deported 20 or 30 years later for some unrelated
infraction of the law. I don't know German law, but it would seem to me
that you'd want to do everything you can to ensure a legal (and ethical)
adoption in your country in the end.

Best of luck,




steve

In article <341uotF454mkmU2@individual.net>,
Robin Harritt <no.spam.for@me.thanks> wrote:
Johannes wrote:Dear all,my wife (41) and I (35) are trying to adopt a child afterunsuccessful ICSI-treatments. But according to the stupid Germanlaws, the local Jugendamt will not approve an adoption of a childunder 3 years for people over the age of 35 (although nowadays manywoman in Germany have their children at the age of 40 or evenabove!). So, why not try for one 3 years old or over ? In Germany as in most modern European countries, adoption is a service for children, not a service for adults with baby lust.


Most people like to start at the beginning, if they can.





steve

Steve White wrote:
In article <341uotF454mkmU2@individual.net>, Robin Harritt <no.spam.for@me.thanks> wrote:Johannes wrote:Dear all,my wife (41) and I (35) are trying to adopt a child afterunsuccessful ICSI-treatments. But according to the stupid Germanlaws, the local Jugendamt will not approve an adoption of a childunder 3 years for people over the age of 35 (although nowadays manywoman in Germany have their children at the age of 40 or evenabove!).So, why not try for one 3 years old or over ? In Germany as in mostmodern European countries, adoption is a service for children, not aservice for adults with baby lust.Most people like to start at the beginning, if they can.steve



Yea, I've heard some even like to start in the delivery room. And an
American delivery room 'll do if that sort of thing's frowned upon back
home in Europe.


Robin

As an apar of a daughter adopted at 11 months from China I can tell you that
we had to be vetted by two countries - the United States and the PRC.
Chinese law is very straight forward and based on current situation you
would qualify for an infant (we are seeing children as young as six months
old coming to the US) in as little as six months time from the arrival of
your dossier to China to referral. Mostly girls, but we've seen more and
more boys - tho mostly with minor, correctable physical defects (cleft
palate is very common).

However, German law may be different, so you will want to consult with an
international adoption agency with good ties to China who understands
completely the laws of both countries.

From start to finish the process costs $12-$15,000 US dollars which includes
travel and two week stay, plus the required $3,000 US dollar contribution to
the orphanage your child comes from. I don't know if they accept the euro,
tho I don't see why not, considering it's stronger these days against the US
dollar.

If you are interested I recommend you point your browser to www.fwcc.org.
It's the portal to all things related to Chinese adoption including current
Chinese law translated into English.

Good luck.

(the)duckster

(the)duckster wrote:
As an apar of a daughter adopted at 11 months from China I can tell you that we had to be vetted by two countries - the United States and the PRC. Chinese law is very straight forward and based on current situation you would qualify for an infant (we are seeing children as young as six months old coming to the US) in as little as six months time from the arrival of your dossier to China to referral. Mostly girls, but we've seen more and more boys - tho mostly with minor, correctable physical defects (cleft palate is very common). However, German law may be different, so you will want to consult with an international adoption agency with good ties to China who understands completely the laws of both countries. From start to finish the process costs $12-$15,000 US dollars which includes travel and two week stay, plus the required $3,000 US dollar contribution to the orphanage your child comes from. I don't know if they accept the euro, tho I don't see why not, considering it's stronger these days against the US dollar. If you are interested I recommend you point your browser to www.fwcc.org. It's the portal to all things related to Chinese adoption including current Chinese law translated into English. Good luck. (the)duckster

Hey Ducks!

Just how IS Miss CR doing these days? Pictures would be an added bonus in
email!! ;-)

Got SNOW?

pb...

I adopted from China and agree with everything Steve said. China has the
most ethical program--you do pay bribes, but they're CONTROLLED bribes.
And even then some of the bribe, the orphanage donation, goes to help the
children.

If you are interested in China start with this website www.fwcc.org Most
of what you find will be from an American perspective, but you should find
good leads to newsgroups etc. that can help you with information.

No matter what you decide in terms of country, do thorough research.
There is a child somewhere in this sad world who needs a mother and
father.

Linda

I didn't adopt from China, but I agree with Linda and Steve.

To my knowledge, a German family can also adopt from Russia (the German
chancellor adopted a 3 year old girl from St. Petersburg a few months ago),
but I'm not sure if they have to go through an agency or can do it
independently.

Bulgaria is another possibility, but again, I do not know the rules for
Germans attempting to adopt from other European countries.

Elizabeth Case

PB,

I need a good address!!!!

And yes, we had snow...22" of it. All gone. Today nothing but
rain...rain...rain...the MileWoods has turned into a swamp.

Hows Miss Bailey pooch these days?

((((hugs))))

fondly,

ducks
"pb..." <woodlark-99@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:crhgud11oh7@news3.newsguy.com... (the)duckster wrote: As an apar of a daughter adopted at 11 months from China I can tell you
that we had to be vetted by two countries - the United States and the PRC. Chinese law is very straight forward and based on current situation you would qualify for an infant (we are seeing children as young as six
months old coming to the US) in as little as six months time from the arrival
of your dossier to China to referral. Mostly girls, but we've seen more
and more boys - tho mostly with minor, correctable physical defects (cleft palate is very common). However, German law may be different, so you will want to consult with
an international adoption agency with good ties to China who understands completely the laws of both countries. From start to finish the process costs $12-$15,000 US dollars which
includes travel and two week stay, plus the required $3,000 US dollar
contribution to the orphanage your child comes from. I don't know if they accept the
euro, tho I don't see why not, considering it's stronger these days against
the US dollar. If you are interested I recommend you point your browser to
www.fwcc.org. It's the portal to all things related to Chinese adoption including
current Chinese law translated into English. Good luck. (the)duckster Hey Ducks! Just how IS Miss CR doing these days? Pictures would be an added bonus in email!! ;-) Got SNOW? pb...

"Robin Harritt" <no.spam.for@me.thanks> wrote in message
news:342ln9F454mkmU3@individual.net... Steve White wrote:In article <341uotF454mkmU2@individual.net>, Robin Harritt <no.spam.for@me.thanks> wrote:Johannes wrote:>Dear all,>>my wife (41) and I (35) are trying to adopt a child after unsuccessful>ICSI-treatments. But according to the stupid German laws, the local>Jugendamt will not approve an adoption of a child under 3 years for>people over the age of 35 (although nowadays many woman in Germany have>their children at the age of 40 or even above!).>>So, why not try for one 3 years old or over ? In Germany as in mostmodern European countries, adoption is a service for children, not aservice for adults with baby lust.Most people like to start at the beginning, if they can.steve Yea, I've heard some even like to start in the delivery room. And an American delivery room 'll do if that sort of thing's frowned upon back home in Europe.

Especially if you are a senior labour MP!

Jason

"Robin Harritt" <no.spam.for@me.thanks> wrote in message
news:341uotF454mkmU2@individual.net... Johannes wrote:Dear all,my wife (41) and I (35) are trying to adopt a child after unsuccessfulICSI-treatments. But according to the stupid German laws, the localJugendamt will not approve an adoption of a child under 3 years forpeople over the age of 35 (although nowadays many woman in Germanyhave their children at the age of 40 or even above!). So, why not try for one 3 years old or over ? In Germany as in most modern European countries, adoption is a service for children, not a service for adults with baby lust. Robin

Silly Robin They want a baybee.

Marley