palms2pines@aol.comh8spam (Palms2pines) wrote in message news:<20040822012303.26045.00002074@mb-m28.aol.com>...
I don't think anyone is arguing that a certain percentage of females who place a first child for adoption never again give birth, pb. I think the questions that loom large are: 1) Do females who place a first child for adoption suffer secondary infertility rates higher than the general female population? 2) And, if one believes "yes", why? Not many seem to buy the theory that stress and trauma surrounding the relinquishment of one's first child actually causes infertility in some. I am very sorry to read all you endured in your efforts to have a second child. Very sorry. P2P

The stress related to relinquishment can cause emotional and physical
trauma to one's body, affecting the adrenal glands and possibly
leading to infertility. If one is to believe that the stress of birth
and relinquishment is greater than the stress of birth and raising
one's child, then it is not such a far stretch to believe that
infertility caused from overworked adrenal glands, because of said
stress, will render more mothers who relinquish infertile than the
mothers who raise their children.

Taylor

TaylorKluck316@hotmail.com (Pez Collector) wrote in message news:<f14a0836.0408241512.6601922e@posting.google.com>... The stress related to relinquishment can cause emotional and physical trauma to one's body, affecting the adrenal glands and possibly leading to infertility. If one is to believe that the stress of birth and relinquishment is greater than the stress of birth and raising one's child, then it is not such a far stretch to believe that infertility caused from overworked adrenal glands, because of said stress, will render more mothers who relinquish infertile than the mothers who raise their children.


No it's not a far stretch, and I tend to believe it.
The endocrine system rules, O.K?

But, nevertheless it *is* a stretch, and until there's hard evidence
to show the specific ways in which post-relinquishment stress (as
opposed to other kinds) causes infertility it'll continue to be one.
Until then it's speculative.


Rh.

Taylor

>Subject: Re: WTG Origins!From: TaylorKluck316@hotmail.com (Pez Collector)Date: 8/24/04 4:12 PM Pacific Daylight TimeMessage-id: <f14a0836.0408241512.6601922e@posting.google.com>palms2pines@aol.comh8spam (Palms2pines) wrote in messagenews:<20040822012303.26045.00002074@mb-m28.aol.com>... I don't think anyone is arguing that a certain percentage of females whoplace a first child for adoption never again give birth, pb. I think thequestions that loom large are: 1) Do females who place a first child for adoption suffer secondary infertility rates higher than the general female population? 2) And, if one believes "yes", why? Not many seem to buy the theory that stress and trauma surrounding the relinquishment of one's first child actually causes infertility in some. I am very sorry to read all you endured in your efforts to have a secondchild. Very sorry. P2PThe stress related to relinquishment can cause emotional and physicaltrauma to one's body, affecting the adrenal glands and possiblyleading to infertility. If one is to believe that the stress of birthand relinquishment is greater than the stress of birth and raisingone's child, then it is not such a far stretch to believe thatinfertility caused from overworked adrenal glands, because of saidstress, will render more mothers who relinquish infertile than themothers who raise their children.Taylor

Oh so now, you are a pez dispenser!

Go figure....another one without a credible source to cite.
Kathy

>Subject: Re: WTG Origins!From: sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca (Rhiannon)Date: 8/25/04 4:14 AM Pacific Daylight TimeMessage-id: <dafc70.0408250314.2fdff04a@posting.google.com>TaylorKluck316@hotmail.com (Pez Collector) wrote in messagenews:<f14a0836.0408241512.6601922e@posting.google.com>... The stress related to relinquishment can cause emotional and physical trauma to one's body, affecting the adrenal glands and possibly leading to infertility. If one is to believe that the stress of birth and relinquishment is greater than the stress of birth and raising one's child, then it is not such a far stretch to believe that infertility caused from overworked adrenal glands, because of said stress, will render more mothers who relinquish infertile than the mothers who raise their children.No it's not a far stretch, and I tend to believe it.The endocrine system rules, O.K?But, nevertheless it *is* a stretch, and until there's hard evidenceto show the specific ways in which post-relinquishment stress (asopposed to other kinds) causes infertility it'll continue to be one.Until then it's speculative.Rh.

Exactly.
Kathy

sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca (Rhiannon) wrote in message news:<dafc70.0408250314.2fdff04a@posting.google.com>... TaylorKluck316@hotmail.com (Pez Collector) wrote in message news:<f14a0836.0408241512.6601922e@posting.google.com>... The stress related to relinquishment can cause emotional and physical trauma to one's body, affecting the adrenal glands and possibly leading to infertility. If one is to believe that the stress of birth and relinquishment is greater than the stress of birth and raising one's child, then it is not such a far stretch to believe that infertility caused from overworked adrenal glands, because of said stress, will render more mothers who relinquish infertile than the mothers who raise their children. No it's not a far stretch, and I tend to believe it. The endocrine system rules, O.K? But, nevertheless it *is* a stretch, and until there's hard evidence to show the specific ways in which post-relinquishment stress (as opposed to other kinds) causes infertility it'll continue to be one. Until then it's speculative.


Much of psychoneuroimmunology is speculative because of the lack of
controlled experiment but the connection of and communication between
the brain, endocrine and immune systems isn't speculative. Evidence
points to a relationship between the losses of relinquishment, which I
believe all here will agree causes stress and/or depression in an
individual, and infertility issues in certain individuals.

TaylorKluck316@hotmail.com (Pez Collector) wrote in message news:<f14a0836.0408260900.102a8050@posting.google.com>... sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca (Rhiannon) wrote in message news:<dafc70.0408250314.2fdff04a@posting.google.com>... TaylorKluck316@hotmail.com (Pez Collector) wrote in message news:<f14a0836.0408241512.6601922e@posting.google.com>... The stress related to relinquishment can cause emotional and physical trauma to one's body, affecting the adrenal glands and possibly leading to infertility. If one is to believe that the stress of birth and relinquishment is greater than the stress of birth and raising one's child, then it is not such a far stretch to believe that infertility caused from overworked adrenal glands, because of said stress, will render more mothers who relinquish infertile than the mothers who raise their children. > No it's not a far stretch, and I tend to believe it. The endocrine system rules, O.K? But, nevertheless it *is* a stretch, and until there's hard evidence to show the specific ways in which post-relinquishment stress (as opposed to other kinds) causes infertility it'll continue to be one. Until then it's speculative. Much of psychoneuroimmunology is speculative because of the lack of controlled experiment but the connection of and communication between the brain, endocrine and immune systems isn't speculative. Evidence points to a relationship between the losses of relinquishment, which I believe all here will agree causes stress and/or depression in an individual, and infertility issues in certain individuals.

We're insufficiently far apart to bother to continue with this non-argument.



Rh.

>Subject: Re: WTG Origins!From: TaylorKluck316@hotmail.com (Pez Collector)Date: 8/24/2004 7:12 PM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <f14a0836.0408241512.6601922e@posting.google.com>

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The stress related to relinquishment can cause emotional and physicaltrauma to one's body, affecting the adrenal glands and possiblyleading to infertility. If one is to believe that the stress of birthand relinquishment is greater than the stress of birth and raisingone's child, then it is not such a far stretch to believe thatinfertility caused from overworked adrenal glands, because of saidstress, will render more mothers who relinquish infertile than themothers who raise their children.Taylor

Hi, Deb!

It would't surprise me if birthmoms suffer "secondary" infertility to a small
degree greater than the general population (even if it's purely psychological).

Pro-lifers use the same kind of argument against abortion.

Dad