Robin Harritt <anything_you_send_to_this_e-mail_address_will_disappear_in_to_a_big_black_ hole@harritt.net> wrote in message news:<BD4CB8BB.47C82%anything_you_send_to_this_e-mail_address_will_disappear_in_to_a_big_black_hole @harritt.net>... in article 9a095db9.0408202053.4390f4f7@posting.google.com, Dian at patrice068@optusnet.com.au wrote on 21/8/04 5:53 am:
My special interest in adoption is in helping siblings who have been separated by adoption. Why I wonder am I so busy when going by Di's theory 60 percent of them should have no siblings. Robin

Then wonder no more. It's because you're searching for siblings in the
UK and not in Oz, which is where my figures are from and about. As is
this thread.
If I was referring to UK figures I would have said so.

in article 9a095db9.0408210838.1b9b5070@posting.google.com, Dian at
patrice068@optusnet.com.au wrote on 21/8/04 5:38 pm:
Robin Harritt wrote in message news:<BD4CB8BB.47C82@harritt.net>..
My special interest in adoption is in helping siblings who have been separated by adoption. Why I wonder am I so busy when going by Di's theory 60 percent of them should have no siblings. Robin

Then wonder no more. It's because you're searching for siblings in the UK and not in Oz, which is where my figures are from and about.

Oh I see the Oz woman's bodies and psyches are different from other women's
throughout the world. I'd often looked in at your posts and wondered if that
might be the case where the psyche is concerned.

As is this thread. If I was referring to UK figures I would have said so.


Never mind what country they are from, who actually did the research that
they are based on and where can we read their research report so that we can
see how their figures were derived?


Robin


BTW I'm searching for siblings of people whose adoptions involved England &
Wales (I could tell you a million times that there is no such thing as UK
adoption, but it would never sink in would it Di) Scotland, Northern
Ireland etc have very different legal systems, very different adoption
practices, different registers etc. A lot of the people I help are living in
Australia & NZ and elsewhere overseas.

Robin Harritt <anything_you_send_to_this_e-mail_address_will_disappear_in_to_a_big_black_ hole@harritt.net> wrote in message news:<BD4D4296.47CF6%anything_you_send_to_this_e-mail_address_will_disappear_in_to_a_big_black_hole @harritt.net>... in article 9a095db9.0408210838.1b9b5070@posting.google.com, Dian at patrice068@optusnet.com.au wrote on 21/8/04 5:38 pm: Robin Harritt wrote in message news:<BD4CB8BB.47C82@harritt.net>.. My special interest in adoption is in helping siblings who have been separated by adoption. Why I wonder am I so busy when going by Di's theory 60 percent of them should have no siblings. Robin Then wonder no more. It's because you're searching for siblings in the UK and not in Oz, which is where my figures are from and about. Oh I see the Oz woman's bodies and psyches are different from other women's throughout the world. I'd often looked in at your posts and wondered if that might be the case where the psyche is concerned.
Who knows? So far we haven't come across any UK studies on mothers
psyches or how many never conceived again. Personally I'm shocked that
you of all people do not already know this as you should have those
figures at your fingertips given that you work for Norcap. Why don't
you compare my figures with yours? Gosh! Don't tell me that nobody in
your country has even bothered to conduct studies to establish how
mothers psyches were affected by their adoption experience!! I would
have thought 30 years of open records was quite long enough to gather
ALL such information by a professional body such as yours, and others.
Or is it that the consequences of adoption on mothers in the UK are
still as irrelevent today as they ever were?
As is this thread. If I was referring to UK figures I would have said so. Never mind what country they are from, who actually did the research that they are based on and where can we read their research report so that we can see how their figures were derived?
How many times do you want me to list the sources of this information?
I've put them up on at least 6 occasions over the past 4 years. Google
them.
Robin BTW I'm searching for siblings of people whose adoptions involved England & Wales (I could tell you a million times that there is no such thing as UK adoption, but it would never sink in would it Di) Scotland, Northern Ireland etc have very different legal systems, very different adoption practices, different registers etc. A lot of the people I help are living in Australia & NZ and elsewhere overseas.

in article 9a095db9.0408220008.2acfe52b@posting.google.com, Dian at
patrice068@optusnet.com.au wrote on 22/8/04 9:08 am:
Robin Harritt <anything_you_send_to_this_e-mail_address_will_disappear_in_to_a_big_b lack_ hole@harritt.net> wrote in message news:<BD4D4296.47CF6%anything_you_send_to_this_e-mail_address_will_disappear_i n_to_a_big_black_hole@harritt.net>... in article 9a095db9.0408210838.1b9b5070@posting.google.com, Dian at patrice068@optusnet.com.au wrote on 21/8/04 5:38 pm: Robin Harritt wrote in message news:<BD4CB8BB.47C82@harritt.net>..> My special interest in adoption is in helping siblings who have been> separated by adoption. Why I wonder am I so busy when going by Di's theory> 60 percent of them should have no siblings.>> Robin> Then wonder no more. It's because you're searching for siblings in the UK and not in Oz, which is where my figures are from and about. Oh I see the Oz woman's bodies and psyches are different from other women's throughout the world. I'd often looked in at your posts and wondered if that might be the case where the psyche is concerned.

Who knows? So far we haven't come across any UK studies on mothers psyches or how many never conceived again. Personally I'm shocked that you of all people do not already know this as you should have those figures at your fingertips given that you work for Norcap. Why don't you compare my figures with yours? Gosh! Don't tell me that nobody in your country has even bothered to conduct studies to establish how mothers psyches were affected by their adoption experience!! I would have thought 30 years of open records was quite long enough to gather ALL such information by a professional body such as yours, and others. Or is it that the consequences of adoption on mothers in the UK are still as irrelevent today as they ever were?


Just as in Australia there are no reputable studies undertaken by the
scientific establishment. (guesses by the ladies at ForgottenMothers do not
count any more than guesses by the ladies at Origins) .
As is this thread. If I was referring to UK figures I would have said so.

Never mind what country they are from, who actually did the research that they are based on and where can we read their research report so that we can see how their figures were derived?

How many times do you want me to list the sources of this information? I've put them up on at least 6 occasions over the past 4 years. Google them.

That's bit like someone submitting an article to the BMJ and and telling
its readers they should go and have a look at his submission to the Lancet
or Nature to see a list of the references he's citing.

The figurers you give often look very dubious, I suspect because you really
don¹t have a clue about stats as a pert of scientific method and procedure
and tend to cherry pick what you think supports you argument, but in fact
opens you up to ridicule. An unfortunate situation, as you might have a
valid point to make.


Robin

Robin Harritt <anything_you_send_to_this_e-mail_address_will_disappear_in_to_a_big_black_ hole@harritt.net> wrote in message news:<BD4E1C9A.47DC8%anything_you_send_to_this_e-mail_address_will_disappear_in_to_a_big_black_hole @harritt.net>... in article 9a095db9.0408220008.2acfe52b@posting.google.com, Dian at patrice068@optusnet.com.au wrote on 22/8/04 9:08 am: Robin Harritt <anything_you_send_to_this_e-mail_address_will_disappear_in_to_a_big_b lack_ hole@harritt.net> wrote in message news:<BD4D4296.47CF6%anything_you_send_to_this_e-mail_address_will_disappear_i n_to_a_big_black_hole@harritt.net>... in article 9a095db9.0408210838.1b9b5070@posting.google.com, Dian at patrice068@optusnet.com.au wrote on 21/8/04 5:38 pm:> Robin Harritt wrote in message news:<BD4CB8BB.47C82@harritt.net>..>>> My special interest in adoption is in helping siblings who have been>> separated by adoption. Why I wonder am I so busy when going by Di's theory>> 60 percent of them should have no siblings.>>>> Robin>>> Then wonder no more. It's because you're searching for siblings in the UK> and not in Oz, which is where my figures are from and about.> Oh I see the Oz woman's bodies and psyches are different from other women's throughout the world. I'd often looked in at your posts and wondered if that might be the case where the psyche is concerned. Who knows? So far we haven't come across any UK studies on mothers psyches or how many never conceived again. Personally I'm shocked that you of all people do not already know this as you should have those figures at your fingertips given that you work for Norcap. Why don't you compare my figures with yours? Gosh! Don't tell me that nobody in your country has even bothered to conduct studies to establish how mothers psyches were affected by their adoption experience!! I would have thought 30 years of open records was quite long enough to gather ALL such information by a professional body such as yours, and others. Or is it that the consequences of adoption on mothers in the UK are still as irrelevent today as they ever were? Just as in Australia there are no reputable studies undertaken by the scientific establishment. (guesses by the ladies at ForgottenMothers do not count any more than guesses by the ladies at Origins) .

I've already put up a paper presented by a Psychiatrist of impeccable
credentials and standing in the legal system, and with decades of
dealings with people affected by adoption. Thus far you have chosen to
ignore it. No surprise there of course. Get back to me once you've
bother to read it. Otherwise let's not waste each others time with
your pedantic nonsense.

Robin Harritt <anything_you_send_to_this_e-mail_address_will_disappear_in_to_a_big_black_ hole@harritt.net> wrote in message news:<BD4E1C9A.47DC8%anything_you_send_to_this_e-mail_address_will_disappear_in_to_a_big_black_hole @harritt.net>... in article 9a095db9.0408220008.2acfe52b@posting.google.com, Dian at patrice068@optusnet.com.au wrote on 22/8/04 9:08 am:


I did suggest in my last post to get back to me once you've read the
psychiatrists submission I posted. But on second thought, don't
bother.
I've just left.

in article 9a095db9.0408220637.28b9733a@posting.google.com, Dian at
patrice068@optusnet.com.au wrote on 22/8/04 3:37 pm:
Robin Harritt <anything_you_send_to_this_e-mail_address_will_disappear_in_to_a_big_b lack_ hole@harritt.net> wrote in message

I did suggest in my last post to get back to me once you've read the psychiatrists submission I posted. But on second thought, don't bother. I've just left.

Oh dear, Di's inability to quote properly means I'll never know which post
it was that successfully dispatched her. I'm guessing, my not unfair,
criticism of her understanding of maths and statistics has hit a raw
nerve.

Robin

>But on second thought, don'tbother.I've just left.

Again?


P2P

in article JFCWc.6012$y5J1.2947@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rog ers.com, Debbie
at shanahan14@rogers.com wrote on 24/8/04 9:06 am:
Robin:
Do ya want to post my address and phone number too?You are not on Alt Adoption Searching or Issues now.I just thought you were sounding very rude and arrogant to this Dian lady.I for one am one of those birth mothers who never had another child and there is nothing wrong with me.I do believe stress has something to do with it as I was told that by a few doctors.Forgive me for being rude but my friend's father was just murdered by 2 people.I apologize but I do not think it is necessary to post my info on here Robin as you know I am hiding from my ex husband who went to jail for attempted murder and is out now.Please do not post any more of my info.Thanks Debbie


I thought it best not to include your address Debbie. The remark was because
you have included my reply to Ricky Scoville which has nothing to with what
Dian was saying

A lot of mothers lose a first child for various reasons including adoption
and never conceive again. But Dian has not been able to cite any research to
support her contention that the *majority* of birth mothers who had no
further children are suffering from secondary infertility as a result of
relinquishing a child to adoption.

Dian makes very bold statements on all sorts of aspects of adoption that she
can not produce any reliable evidence to support. Part of the reason for
that is that Dian does not understand the the basics of scientific method ,
Cartesian logic or the maths used to establish whether experimental results
or the results of a survey are significant.. Instead of reading up on the
subject Dian continues to select parts of research that she thinks prove
whatever point she is trying to make. Unfortunately she doesn't understand
what proof means in a scientific sense. Very few things are ever proved,
most research results simply infer a causal relationship between a
dependant and an independent variable, not proof. The significance of a set
of quantative results is usually assed by statistically analysing any
numerical data. Where results are qualitative then it is important that
examples of it are included in any write up. Because it is not practical to
copy large tracts of research write ups, it usual to cite where the full
report of the research has been published in a reputable scientific journal,
that includes peer review of any research by fellow scientists.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with criticising Dian on that basis.

As for personally insulting Dian, or her pet parrot Jackie. I have no
compunction about insulting Di as she has said to me "it is a good job your
mother died before you found her " and Jackie has said "amen to that". I
I'll be as rude as I like to both of them for as long as I don't get an
apology.

Robin

Robin:
I apologize again.I do not uually come here as you probably already
knew.So I jumped to a conclusion without going back reading it all due to
what I have been going through with my friend for the past few days.I am
sorry that these horrible things were said about your Mom.Also if I included
another person's post it was because I just clicked on reply in my outlook
express.You were the one who told me to use that instead of posting at the
alt site.Robin;if you only want part of the post then,how would I do that?I
am not use to posting through outlook express and do not know how to post
this way except hit reply.I am being serious asking for your help here so
please do not insult me as I am admitting I do not know how already.Thanks
Robin in advance.
Debbie
"Robin Harritt" <none@not.never.ever> wrote in message
news:BD50CB6B.48444%none@not.never.ever... in article JFCWc.6012$y5J1.2947@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rog ers.com, Debbie at shanahan14@rogers.com wrote on 24/8/04 9:06 am: Robin: Do ya want to post my address and phone number too?You are not on Alt Adoption Searching or Issues now.I just thought you were sounding very rude and arrogant to this Dian lady.I for one am one of those birth mothers who never had another child and there is nothing wrong with me.I do believe stress has something to do with it as I was told that by a few doctors.Forgive me for being rude but my friend's father was just murdered by 2 people.I apologize but I do not think it is necessary to post my info on here Robin as you know I am hiding from my ex husband who went to jail for attempted murder and is out now.Please do not post any more of my info.Thanks Debbie I thought it best not to include your address Debbie. The remark was because you have included my reply to Ricky Scoville which has nothing to with what Dian was saying A lot of mothers lose a first child for various reasons including adoption and never conceive again. But Dian has not been able to cite any research to support her contention that the *majority* of birth mothers who had no further children are suffering from secondary infertility as a result of relinquishing a child to adoption. Dian makes very bold statements on all sorts of aspects of adoption that she can not produce any reliable evidence to support. Part of the reason for that is that Dian does not understand the the basics of scientific method , Cartesian logic or the maths used to establish whether experimental results or the results of a survey are significant.. Instead of reading up on the subject Dian continues to select parts of research that she thinks prove whatever point she is trying to make. Unfortunately she doesn't understand what proof means in a scientific sense. Very few things are ever proved, most research results simply infer a causal relationship between a dependant and an independent variable, not proof. The significance of a set of quantative results is usually assed by statistically analysing any numerical data. Where results are qualitative then it is important that examples of it are included in any write up. Because it is not practical to copy large tracts of research write ups, it usual to cite where the full report of the research has been published in a reputable scientific journal, that includes peer review of any research by fellow scientists. There is absolutely nothing wrong with criticising Dian on that basis. As for personally insulting Dian, or her pet parrot Jackie. I have no compunction about insulting Di as she has said to me "it is a good job your mother died before you found her " and Jackie has said "amen to that". I I'll be as rude as I like to both of them for as long as I don't get an apology. Robin


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Robin: Sorry about my grammar also as I have been up all night and am over
tired.If it would be easier to explain how to cut a message on outlook
because I cannot copy and paste you can e mail your reply.I do not even know
how to cut out messages of any kind unless I copy and paste just the part I
want to post.I am mostly used to posting on adoption groups etc. but being a
moderator I guess I have to know how to do the moderating stuff.Thanks
again.
Deb
"Debbie" <shanahan14@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:c5HWc.338$qFP.113@twister01.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com... Robin: I apologize again.I do not uually come here as you probably already knew.So I jumped to a conclusion without going back reading it all due to what I have been going through with my friend for the past few days.I am sorry that these horrible things were said about your Mom.Also if I included another person's post it was because I just clicked on reply in my outlook express.You were the one who told me to use that instead of posting at the alt site.Robin;if you only want part of the post then,how would I do that?I am not use to posting through outlook express and do not know how to post this way except hit reply.I am being serious asking for your help here so please do not insult me as I am admitting I do not know how already.Thanks Robin in advance. Debbie "Robin Harritt" <none@not.never.ever> wrote in message news:BD50CB6B.48444%none@not.never.ever... in article JFCWc.6012$y5J1.2947@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rog ers.com, Debbie at shanahan14@rogers.com wrote on 24/8/04 9:06 am: Robin: Do ya want to post my address and phone number too?You are not on Alt Adoption Searching or Issues now.I just thought you were sounding very rude and arrogant to this Dian lady.I for one am one of those birth mothers who never had another child and there is nothing wrong with me.I do believe stress has something to do with it as I was told that by a few doctors.Forgive me for being rude but my friend's father was just murdered by 2 people.I apologize but I do not think it is necessary to post my info on here Robin as you know I am hiding from my ex husband who went to jail for attempted murder and is out now.Please do not post any more of my info.Thanks Debbie I thought it best not to include your address Debbie. The remark was because you have included my reply to Ricky Scoville which has nothing to with what Dian was saying A lot of mothers lose a first child for various reasons including adoption and never conceive again. But Dian has not been able to cite any research to support her contention that the *majority* of birth mothers who had no further children are suffering from secondary infertility as a result of relinquishing a child to adoption. Dian makes very bold statements on all sorts of aspects of adoption that she can not produce any reliable evidence to support. Part of the reason for that is that Dian does not understand the the basics of scientific method , Cartesian logic or the maths used to establish whether experimental results or the results of a survey are significant.. Instead of reading up on the subject Dian continues to select parts of research that she thinks prove whatever point she is trying to make. Unfortunately she doesn't understand what proof means in a scientific sense. Very few things are ever proved, most research results simply infer a causal relationship between a dependant and an independent variable, not proof. The significance of a set of quantative results is usually assed by statistically analysing any numerical data. Where results are qualitative then it is important that examples of it are included in any write up. Because it is not practical to copy large tracts of research write ups, it usual to cite where the full report of the research has been published in a reputable scientific journal, that includes peer review of any research by fellow scientists. There is absolutely nothing wrong with criticising Dian on that basis. As for personally insulting Dian, or her pet parrot Jackie. I have no compunction about insulting Di as she has said to me "it is a good job your mother died before you found her " and Jackie has said "amen to that". I I'll be as rude as I like to both of them for as long as I don't get an apology. Robin --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 19/08/2004


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Robin: Sorry about my grammar also as I have been up all night and am over
tired.If it would be easier to explain how to cut a message on outlook
because I cannot copy and paste you can e mail your reply.I do not even know
how to cut out messages of any kind unless I copy and paste just the part I
want to post.I am mostly used to posting on adoption groups etc. but being a
moderator I guess I have to know how to do the moderating stuff.Thanks
again.
Deb

"Debbie" <shanahan14@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:c5HWc.338$qFP.113@twister01.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com... Robin: I apologize again.I do not uually come here as you probably already knew.So I jumped to a conclusion without going back reading it all due to what I have been going through with my friend for the past few days.I am sorry that these horrible things were said about your Mom.Also if I included another person's post it was because I just clicked on reply in my outlook express.You were the one who told me to use that instead of posting at the alt site.Robin;if you only want part of the post then,how would I do that?I am not use to posting through outlook express and do not know how to post this way except hit reply.I am being serious asking for your help here so please do not insult me as I am admitting I do not know how already.Thanks Robin in advance. Debbie "Robin Harritt" <none@not.never.ever> wrote in message news:BD50CB6B.48444%none@not.never.ever... in article JFCWc.6012$y5J1.2947@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rog ers.com, Debbie at shanahan14@rogers.com wrote on 24/8/04 9:06 am: Robin: Do ya want to post my address and phone number too?You are not on Alt Adoption Searching or Issues now.I just thought you were sounding very rude and arrogant to this Dian lady.I for one am one of those birth mothers who never had another child and there is nothing wrong with me.I do believe stress has something to do with it as I was told that by a few doctors.Forgive me for being rude but my friend's father was just murdered by 2 people.I apologize but I do not think it is necessary to post my info on here Robin as you know I am hiding from my ex husband who went to jail for attempted murder and is out now.Please do not post any more of my info.Thanks Debbie I thought it best not to include your address Debbie. The remark was because you have included my reply to Ricky Scoville which has nothing to with what Dian was saying A lot of mothers lose a first child for various reasons including adoption and never conceive again. But Dian has not been able to cite any research to support her contention that the *majority* of birth mothers who had no further children are suffering from secondary infertility as a result of relinquishing a child to adoption. Dian makes very bold statements on all sorts of aspects of adoption that she can not produce any reliable evidence to support. Part of the reason for that is that Dian does not understand the the basics of scientific method , Cartesian logic or the maths used to establish whether experimental results or the results of a survey are significant.. Instead of reading up on the subject Dian continues to select parts of research that she thinks prove whatever point she is trying to make. Unfortunately she doesn't understand what proof means in a scientific sense. Very few things are ever proved, most research results simply infer a causal relationship between a dependant and an independent variable, not proof. The significance of a set of quantative results is usually assed by statistically analysing any numerical data. Where results are qualitative then it is important that examples of it are included in any write up. Because it is not practical to copy large tracts of research write ups, it usual to cite where the full report of the research has been published in a reputable scientific journal, that includes peer review of any research by fellow scientists. There is absolutely nothing wrong with criticising Dian on that basis. As for personally insulting Dian, or her pet parrot Jackie. I have no compunction about insulting Di as she has said to me "it is a good job your mother died before you found her " and Jackie has said "amen to that". I I'll be as rude as I like to both of them for as long as I don't get an apology. Robin --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 19/08/2004


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in article JtHWc.3$ITP.2@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers. com, Debbie at
shanahan14@rogers.com wrote on 24/8/04 2:34 pm:
Robin: Sorry about my grammar also as I have been up all night and am over tired.If it would be easier to explain how to cut a message on outlook because I cannot copy and paste you can e mail your reply.I do not even know how to cut out messages of any kind unless I copy and paste just the part I want to post.I am mostly used to posting on adoption groups etc. but being a moderator I guess I have to know how to do the moderating stuff.Thanks again. Deb


I haven't used Outlook Express for years. But assume you click on "Reply to
Newsgroups" whilst you are viewing the message you want to reply to. If you
want edit out any of the message just select it and then press the
backspace key the one on the main part of the keyboard with a straight left
pointing arrow, to delete. Then type your stuff below and click on post now
(or send now) to send it. That is how it works on Microsoft Entourage which
is what I use for e-mail and newsgroups on this particular computer.

Robin

>Subject: Re: WTG Origins!From: Robin Harritt anything_you_send_to_this_e-mail_address_will_disappear_in_to_a_big_black_hole @harritt.netDate: 8/21/04 10:19 AM Pacific Daylight TimeMessage-id:<BD4D4296.47CF6%anything_you_send_to_this_e-mail_address_will_disappear_i
n_to_a_big_black_hole@harritt.net>in article 9a095db9.0408210838.1b9b5070@posting.google.com, Dian atpatrice068@optusnet.com.au wrote on 21/8/04 5:38 pm: Robin Harritt wrote in message news:<BD4CB8BB.47C82@harritt.net>.. My special interest in adoption is in helping siblings who have been separated by adoption. Why I wonder am I so busy when going by Di's theory60 percent of them should have no siblings. Robin Then wonder no more. It's because you're searching for siblings in the UKand not in Oz, which is where my figures are from and about.Oh I see the Oz woman's bodies and psyches are different from other women'sthroughout the world. I'd often looked in at your posts and wondered if thatmight be the case where the psyche is concerned. As is this thread. If I was referring to UK figures I would have said so.Never mind what country they are from, who actually did the research thatthey are based on and where can we read their research report so that we cansee how their figures were derived?Robin

LOL...whazzzzzzamatta wid-u? You're supposed to do go find the research that
proves Di's lies to be right.
Kathy

>Subject: Re: WAG Origins!From: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian)Date: 8/22/04 7:37 AM Pacific Daylight TimeMessage-id: <9a095db9.0408220637.28b9733a@posting.google.com>RobinHarritt
<anything_you_send_to_this_e-mail_address_will_disappear_in_to_a_big_black_
hole@harritt.net>wrote in messagenews:<BD4E1C9A.47DC8%anything_you_send_to_this_e-mail_address_will_disapp
ear_in_to_a_big_black_hole@harritt.net>... in article 9a095db9.0408220008.2acfe52b@posting.google.com, Dian at patrice068@optusnet.com.au wrote on 22/8/04 9:08 am:I did suggest in my last post to get back to me once you've read thepsychiatrists submission I posted. But on second thought, don'tbother.I've just left.

Back to the asylum, so soon, Di?
Kathy

>Subject: Re: WAG Origins!From: Robin Harritt none@not.never.everDate: 8/24/04 2:39 AM Pacific Daylight TimeMessage-id: <BD50CB6B.48444%none@not.never.ever>in article JFCWc.6012$y5J1.2947@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rog ers.com, Debbieat shanahan14@rogers.com wrote on 24/8/04 9:06 am: Robin: Do ya want to post my address and phone number too?You are not on Alt Adoption Searching or Issues now.I just thought you were sounding very rude and arrogant to this Dian lady.I for one am one of those birth mothers who never had another child and there is nothing wrong with me.I do believe stress has something to do with it as I was told that by a few doctors.Forgive me for being rude but my friend's father was just murdered by 2 people.I apologize but I do not think it is necessary to post my info on here Robin as you know I am hiding from my ex husband who went to jail for attempted murder and is out now.Please do not post any more of my info.Thanks DebbieI thought it best not to include your address Debbie. The remark was becauseyou have included my reply to Ricky Scoville which has nothing to with whatDian was sayingA lot of mothers lose a first child for various reasons including adoptionand never conceive again. But Dian has not been able to cite any research tosupport her contention that the *majority* of birth mothers who had nofurther children are suffering from secondary infertility as a result ofrelinquishing a child to adoption.Dian makes very bold statements on all sorts of aspects of adoption that shecan not produce any reliable evidence to support. Part of the reason forthat is that Dian does not understand the the basics of scientific method ,Cartesian logic or the maths used to establish whether experimental resultsor the results of a survey are significant.. Instead of reading up on thesubject Dian continues to select parts of research that she thinks provewhatever point she is trying to make. Unfortunately she doesn't understandwhat proof means in a scientific sense. Very few things are ever proved,most research results simply infer a causal relationship between adependant and an independent variable, not proof. The significance of a setof quantative results is usually assed by statistically analysing anynumerical data. Where results are qualitative then it is important thatexamples of it are included in any write up. Because it is not practical tocopy large tracts of research write ups, it usual to cite where the fullreport of the research has been published in a reputable scientific journal,that includes peer review of any research by fellow scientists.There is absolutely nothing wrong with criticising Dian on that basis.As for personally insulting Dian, or her pet parrot Jackie. I have nocompunction about insulting Di as she has said to me "it is a good job yourmother died before you found her " and Jackie has said "amen to that". II'll be as rude as I like to both of them for as long as I don't get anapology.Robin

Would you really want their apologies?

That is one, I'd pass on.
Kathy

in article 20040824133950.04822.00002242@mb-m05.aol.com, Kathy at
meagan787@aol.comsthesun wrote on 24/8/04 6:39 pm:
Subject: Re: WAG Origins! From: Robin Harritt none@not.never.ever Date: 8/24/04 2:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: <BD50CB6B.48444%none@not.never.ever> in article JFCWc.6012$y5J1.2947@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rog ers.com, Debbie at shanahan14@rogers.com wrote on 24/8/04 9:06 am: Robin: Do ya want to post my address and phone number too?You are not on Alt Adoption Searching or Issues now.I just thought you were sounding very rude and arrogant to this Dian lady.I for one am one of those birth mothers who never had another child and there is nothing wrong with me.I do believe stress has something to do with it as I was told that by a few doctors.Forgive me for being rude but my friend's father was just murdered by 2 people.I apologize but I do not think it is necessary to post my info on here Robin as you know I am hiding from my ex husband who went to jail for attempted murder and is out now.Please do not post any more of my info.Thanks Debbie I thought it best not to include your address Debbie. The remark was because you have included my reply to Ricky Scoville which has nothing to with what Dian was saying A lot of mothers lose a first child for various reasons including adoption and never conceive again. But Dian has not been able to cite any research to support her contention that the *majority* of birth mothers who had no further children are suffering from secondary infertility as a result of relinquishing a child to adoption. Dian makes very bold statements on all sorts of aspects of adoption that she can not produce any reliable evidence to support. Part of the reason for that is that Dian does not understand the the basics of scientific method , Cartesian logic or the maths used to establish whether experimental results or the results of a survey are significant.. Instead of reading up on the subject Dian continues to select parts of research that she thinks prove whatever point she is trying to make. Unfortunately she doesn't understand what proof means in a scientific sense. Very few things are ever proved, most research results simply infer a causal relationship between a dependant and an independent variable, not proof. The significance of a set of quantative results is usually assed by statistically analysing any numerical data. Where results are qualitative then it is important that examples of it are included in any write up. Because it is not practical to copy large tracts of research write ups, it usual to cite where the full report of the research has been published in a reputable scientific journal, that includes peer review of any research by fellow scientists. There is absolutely nothing wrong with criticising Dian on that basis. As for personally insulting Dian, or her pet parrot Jackie. I have no compunction about insulting Di as she has said to me "it is a good job your mother died before you found her " and Jackie has said "amen to that". I I'll be as rude as I like to both of them for as long as I don't get an apology. Robin Would you really want their apologies? That is one, I'd pass on. Kathy

I'm not all that bothered, I might just disagree with Di a little more
politely if hadn't lost a lot of what respect I once had for her. As for
Jackie, well it's refreshing not have to look at the same 50 posts repeated
over and over again every day saying the same old drivel about about
adoption = slavery, mothers rights are all important and trump everyone
else's. I don't think an apology from Jackie would be worth a lot.

Robin

Robin Harritt <none@not.never.ever> wrote in message news:<BD510AC5.484A3%none@not.never.ever>... in article JtHWc.3$ITP.2@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers. com, Debbie at shanahan14@rogers.com wrote on 24/8/04 2:34 pm: Robin: Sorry about my grammar also as I have been up all night and am over tired.If it would be easier to explain how to cut a message on outlook because I cannot copy and paste you can e mail your reply.I do not even know how to cut out messages of any kind unless I copy and paste just the part I want to post.I am mostly used to posting on adoption groups etc. but being a moderator I guess I have to know how to do the moderating stuff.Thanks again. Deb I haven't used Outlook Express for years. But assume you click on "Reply to Newsgroups" whilst you are viewing the message you want to reply to. If you want edit out any of the message just select it and then press the backspace key the one on the main part of the keyboard with a straight left pointing arrow, to delete. Then type your stuff below and click on post now (or send now) to send it. That is how it works on Microsoft Entourage which is what I use for e-mail and newsgroups on this particular computer. Robin

Robin:
I will try that and let you know if it works.Thanks for the
advise.By the way I do know where the backspace key is.That much I do
know.LOL.Take care.
Sincerely Debbie

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, aceswild wrote:
Robin Harritt <none@not.never.ever> wrote in message news:<BD510AC5.484A3%none@not.never.ever>... in article JtHWc.3$ITP.2@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers. com, Debbie at shanahan14@rogers.com wrote on 24/8/04 2:34 pm: Robin: Sorry about my grammar also as I have been up all night and am over tired.If it would be easier to explain how to cut a message on outlook because I cannot copy and paste you can e mail your reply.I do not even know how to cut out messages of any kind unless I copy and paste just the part I want to post.I am mostly used to posting on adoption groups etc. but being a moderator I guess I have to know how to do the moderating stuff.Thanks again. Deb I haven't used Outlook Express for years. But assume you click on "Reply to Newsgroups" whilst you are viewing the message you want to reply to. If you want edit out any of the message just select it and then press the backspace key the one on the main part of the keyboard with a straight left pointing arrow, to delete. Then type your stuff below and click on post now (or send now) to send it. That is how it works on Microsoft Entourage which is what I use for e-mail and newsgroups on this particular computer. Robin Robin: I will try that and let you know if it works.Thanks for the advise.By the way I do know where the backspace key is.That much I do know.LOL.Take care. Sincerely Debbie

Looks to me as if you have already got the hang of it. It is much easier
than using Google groups.

Robin

in article Pine.OSX.4.58.0408250915160.5969@fred.local, rh at rh@fred.local
wrote on 25/8/04 9:18 am:
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, aceswild wrote: Robin Harritt <none@not.never.ever> wrote in message news:<BD510AC5.484A3%none@not.never.ever>... in article JtHWc.3$ITP.2@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers. com, Debbie at shanahan14@rogers.com wrote on 24/8/04 2:34 pm:> Robin: Sorry about my grammar also as I have been up all night and am over> tired.If it would be easier to explain how to cut a message on outlook> because I cannot copy and paste you can e mail your reply.I do not even> know> how to cut out messages of any kind unless I copy and paste just the part I> want to post.I am mostly used to posting on adoption groups etc. but being> a> moderator I guess I have to know how to do the moderating stuff.Thanks> again.> Deb I haven't used Outlook Express for years. But assume you click on "Reply to Newsgroups" whilst you are viewing the message you want to reply to. If you want edit out any of the message just select it and then press the backspace key the one on the main part of the keyboard with a straight left pointing arrow, to delete. Then type your stuff below and click on post now (or send now) to send it. That is how it works on Microsoft Entourage which is what I use for e-mail and newsgroups on this particular computer. Robin Robin: I will try that and let you know if it works.Thanks for the advise.By the way I do know where the backspace key is.That much I do know.LOL.Take care. Sincerely Debbie Looks to me as if you have already got the hang of it. It is much easier than using Google groups. Robin

Sorry that¹s me. I'm trying to set up an other newsreader software called
Pine. My sign in name on this computer (which is called fred) is rh, but I
can't us that on alt.adoption as we already have an rh here. I'll have to
change that in the settings.

Robin

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, it was written:
in article Pine.OSX.4.58.0408250915160.5969@fred.local, rh at rh@fred.local wrote on 25/8/04 9:18 am: On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, aceswild wrote: Robin Harritt <none@not.never.ever> wrote in message news:<BD510AC5.484A3%none@not.never.ever>...> in article JtHWc.3$ITP.2@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers. com, Debbie at> shanahan14@rogers.com wrote on 24/8/04 2:34 pm:>>> Robin: Sorry about my grammar also as I have been up all night and am over>> tired.If it would be easier to explain how to cut a message on outlook>> because I cannot copy and paste you can e mail your reply.I do not even>> know>> how to cut out messages of any kind unless I copy and paste just thepart I>> want to post.I am mostly used to posting on adoption groups etc. butbeing>> a>> moderator I guess I have to know how to do the moderating stuff.Thanks>> again.>>



Robin: I will try that and let you know if it works.Thanks for the advise.By the way I do know where the backspace key is.That much I do know.LOL.Take care. Sincerely Debbie Looks to me as if you have already got the hang of it. It is much easier than using Google groups. Robin Sorry that¹s me. I'm trying to set up an other newsreader software called Pine. My sign in name on this computer (which is called fred) is rh, but I can't us that on alt.adoption as we already have an rh here. I'll have to change that in the settings. Robin

Let's see if it works ok this time

Robin

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Robin Harritt wrote:
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, it was written: in article Pine.OSX.4.58.0408250915160.5969@fred.local, rh at rh@fred.local wrote on 25/8/04 9:18 am: On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, aceswild wrote:> Robin Harritt <none@not.never.ever> wrote in message> news:<BD510AC5.484A3%none@not.never.ever>...>> in article JtHWc.3$ITP.2@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers. com, Debbie at>> shanahan14@rogers.com wrote on 24/8/04 2:34 pm:>>>>> Robin: Sorry about my grammar also as I have been up all night andam over>>> tired.If it would be easier to explain how to cut a message on outlook>>> because I cannot copy and paste you can e mail your reply.I do noteven>>> know>>> how to cut out messages of any kind unless I copy and paste just the part I>>> want to post.I am mostly used to posting on adoption groups etc. but being>>> a>>> moderator I guess I have to know how to do the moderating stuff.Thanks>>> again.>>>> Robin:> I will try that and let you know if it works.Thanks for the> advise.By the way I do know where the backspace key is.That much I do> know.LOL.Take care.> Sincerely Debbie> Looks to me as if you have already got the hang of it. It is much easier than using Google groups. Robin Sorry that¹s me. I'm trying to set up an other newsreader software called Pine. My sign in name on this computer (which is called fred) is rh, but I can't us that on alt.adoption as we already have an rh here. I'll have to change that in the settings. Robin Let's see if it works ok this time Robin

Umm...and again

Robin

Robin:
I tried to remove most of the message except the main posts I am
speaking of.Thanks for the compliment that I look as if I already have the
hang of it.If my posts are doubling I am sorry.Alot of my friends who use
Newsgroups or FTP's have found after downloading a service pack recommended
by Microsoft they are having many problems when connecting to newsgroups or
FTP's.They cannot stay connected like I cannot stay connected to Alt.I type
a reply and then it says cannot connect to server.So I wait till I am
connected eventually and try again.Now I see all my posts even the ones it
said they could not be sent as I was not connected to server were sent
therefore you get the same message twice.Sorry,blame Microsoft for that.Alot
of people are complaining as this service pack was suppose to make things
better.Robin;can you tell me if this post is better and if I did remove all
the posts prior to our last couple about this topic please?I did it the way
you told me too.Thanks again for your advise.Take care.
Debbie
I haven't used Outlook Express for years. But assume you click on "Reply to Newsgroups" whilst you are viewing the message you want to reply to. If you want edit out any of the message just select it and then press the backspace key the one on the main part of the keyboard with a straight left pointing arrow, to delete. Then type your stuff below and click on post now (or send now) to send it. That is how it works on Microsoft Entourage which is what I use for e-mail and newsgroups on this particular computer. Robin Robin: I will try that and let you know if it works.Thanks for the advise.By the way I do know where the backspace key is.That much I do know.LOL.Take care. Sincerely Debbie Looks to me as if you have already got the hang of it. It is much easier than using Google groups. Robin


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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Debbie wrote:
Robin: I tried to remove most of the message except the main posts I am speaking of.Thanks for the compliment that I look as if I already have the hang of it.If my posts are doubling I am sorry.Alot of my friends who use Newsgroups or FTP's have found after downloading a service pack recommended by Microsoft they are having many problems when connecting to newsgroups or FTP's.They cannot stay connected like I cannot stay connected to Alt.I type a reply and then it says cannot connect to server.So I wait till I am connected eventually and try again.Now I see all my posts even the ones it said they could not be sent as I was not connected to server were sent therefore you get the same message twice.Sorry,blame Microsoft for that.Alot of people are complaining as this service pack was suppose to make things better.Robin;can you tell me if this post is better and if I did remove all the posts prior to our last couple about this topic please?I did it the way you told me too.Thanks again for your advise.Take care. Debbie




I blame Microsoft for everything that is wrong with world today, from
global warming to the common cold. I use an Apple Macintosh computer and
try to get as little exposure as possible to anything to do with
Microsoft. That is why I am trying to get away from using Entourage as a
news reader (and e-mail program). My advice to the rest of the world, get
a Mac and don't let anything Microsoft near it. I'm just off out to buy
some Apple and Adobe stocks.

Robin

Robin:Thanks again for your advise.I hope everything went well at the
dentist.
AcesWild
"Robin Harritt" <rh@host-83-146-13-11.bulldogdsl.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSX.4.58.0408261256120.781@host-83-146-13-11.bulldogdsl.com... On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Debbie wrote: Robin: I tried to remove most of the message except the main posts I am speaking of.Thanks for the compliment that I look as if I already have the hang of it.If my posts are doubling I am sorry.Alot of my friends who use Newsgroups or FTP's have found after downloading a service pack recommended by Microsoft they are having many problems when connecting to newsgroups or FTP's.They cannot stay connected like I cannot stay connected to Alt.I type a reply and then it says cannot connect to server.So I wait till I am connected eventually and try again.Now I see all my posts even the ones it said they could not be sent as I was not connected to server were sent therefore you get the same message twice.Sorry,blame Microsoft for that.Alot of people are complaining as this service pack was suppose to make things better.Robin;can you tell me if this post is better and if I did remove all the posts prior to our last couple about this topic please?I did it the way you told me too.Thanks again for your advise.Take care. Debbie I blame Microsoft for everything that is wrong with world today, from global warming to the common cold. I use an Apple Macintosh computer and try to get as little exposure as possible to anything to do with Microsoft. That is why I am trying to get away from using Entourage as a news reader (and e-mail program). My advice to the rest of the world, get a Mac and don't let anything Microsoft near it. I'm just off out to buy some Apple and Adobe stocks. Robin


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