There are clealy a number of well informed and well read folks in this
group. Perhaps someone can provide some credible data on the following
question:

Let me limit the question to the USA as that is where I live:

Of all the babies/children placed in adoption how many were/are:

1. result of rape and/or incest
2. removed from thier bp/bm by social sevices or child protective services
3. orphans
4. result of an unwanted pregnancy caused by not using birth control
5. other

No, I am not doing any sort of study but having followed many of the
threads in this group I can't help but wonder about the question that I
posed above. It is unlikely that anyone even has such data but perhaps
someone does. Thanks

Raymond

PS: am I incorrect in my assumption that the vast majority of posters here
are female?

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:15:16 -0400, "sylak" <sylak@adelphia.net>
wrote:
There are clealy a number of well informed and well read folks in thisgroup. Perhaps someone can provide some credible data on the followingquestion:Let me limit the question to the USA as that is where I live:Of all the babies/children placed in adoption how many were/are:1. result of rape and/or incest2. removed from thier bp/bm by social sevices or child protective services3. orphans4. result of an unwanted pregnancy caused by not using birth control5. other No, I am not doing any sort of study but having followed many of thethreads in this group I can't help but wonder about the question that Iposed above. It is unlikely that anyone even has such data but perhapssomeone does. ThanksRaymondPS: am I incorrect in my assumption that the vast majority of posters hereare female?


I am in the "Other" Catergory for the fact that my bfather signed his
rights over to my mom so my now adad could adopt me. The adoption took
place on my 13th birthday.

sylak wrote:
There are clealy a number of well informed and well read folks in this group. Perhaps someone can provide some credible data on the following question: Let me limit the question to the USA as that is where I live: Of all the babies/children placed in adoption how many were/are: 1. result of rape and/or incest 2. removed from thier bp/bm by social sevices or child protective services 3. orphans 4. result of an unwanted pregnancy caused by not using birth control 5. other No, I am not doing any sort of study but having followed many of the threads in this group I can't help but wonder about the question that I posed above. It is unlikely that anyone even has such data but perhaps someone does. Thanks Raymond PS: am I incorrect in my assumption that the vast majority of posters here are female?

You've pretty much limited yourself to an answer never to be completely
discovered by your question:
Of all the babies/children placed in adoption how many were/are:

Until recent days ADOPTIONS HAVE BEEN CLOAKED IN SECRECY. That is the
only viable answer, IMO. In addition: too many cooks in the kitchen, as
well...lawyers, brokers, state agencies, religious agencies, illegal,
in family but never "registered." Best of luck getting a solid figure
with those variables.

pb...

pb:

I have every reason to believe you are correct but a question never
asked cannot be answered. Believe me, I am aware of the cloaked in secrecy
issue. Thanks for reponding.

Raymond


"pb..." <woodlark-99@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:cg8rvk02558@news3.newsguy.com... sylak wrote: There are clealy a number of well informed and well read folks in this group. Perhaps someone can provide some credible data on the following question: Let me limit the question to the USA as that is where I live: Of all the babies/children placed in adoption how many were/are: 1. result of rape and/or incest 2. removed from thier bp/bm by social sevices or child protective
services 3. orphans 4. result of an unwanted pregnancy caused by not using birth control 5. other No, I am not doing any sort of study but having followed many of
the threads in this group I can't help but wonder about the question that I posed above. It is unlikely that anyone even has such data but perhaps someone does. Thanks Raymond PS: am I incorrect in my assumption that the vast majority of posters
here are female? You've pretty much limited yourself to an answer never to be completely discovered by your question: Of all the babies/children placed in adoption how many were/are: Until recent days ADOPTIONS HAVE BEEN CLOAKED IN SECRECY. That is the only viable answer, IMO. In addition: too many cooks in the kitchen, as well...lawyers, brokers, state agencies, religious agencies, illegal, in family but never "registered." Best of luck getting a solid figure with those variables. pb...

>Subject: A matter of perspectiveFrom: "sylak" sylak@adelphia.netDate: 8/21/2004
Let me limit the question to the USA as that is where I live:Of all the babies/children placed in adoption how many were/are:1. result of rape and/or incest2. removed from thier bp/bm by social sevices or child protective services3. orphans4. result of an unwanted pregnancy caused by not using birth control5. other

I was the product of two people who married and had three more children so I
guess that would put me (the baby) in either your category 4 or 5. Kathy J

Tm n Kat wrote:
Subject: A matter of perspectiveFrom: "sylak" sylak@adelphia.netDate: 8/21/2004Let me limit the question to the USA as that is where I live:Of all the babies/children placed in adoption how many were/are:1. result of rape and/or incest2. removed from thier bp/bm by social sevices or child protective services3. orphans4. result of an unwanted pregnancy caused by not using birth control5. other I was the product of two people who married and had three more children so I guess that would put me (the baby) in either your category 4 or 5. Kathy J

I daresay that at least 80 to 90% of us fit into those two categories!
;-)

pb...

sylak wrote:
pb: I have every reason to believe you are correct but a question never asked cannot be answered. Believe me, I am aware of the cloaked in secrecy issue. Thanks for reponding. Raymond

No problem, Raymond. My point is that you'll never get close to an
accurate number since there are SO many variables and no way to
control either anecdotal or empirical studies. Much research has
been undertaken where adoption stats are concerned -- you may wish
to get in touch with Annette Baran...try reaching her through this
website:

http://www.adoptioninstitute.org/proed/conf_faculty/baran.html

Best,

pb...

ps...if you do reach Annette, tell her Patty B... sends her best!


"pb..." <woodlark-99@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:cg8rvk02558@news3.newsguy.com...sylak wrote:There are clealy a number of well informed and well read folks in thisgroup. Perhaps someone can provide some credible data on the followingquestion:Let me limit the question to the USA as that is where I live:Of all the babies/children placed in adoption how many were/are:1. result of rape and/or incest2. removed from thier bp/bm by social sevices or child protective services3. orphans4. result of an unwanted pregnancy caused by not using birth control5. other No, I am not doing any sort of study but having followed many of thethreads in this group I can't help but wonder about the question that Iposed above. It is unlikely that anyone even has such data but perhapssomeone does. ThanksRaymondPS: am I incorrect in my assumption that the vast majority of posters hereare female?You've pretty much limited yourself to an answer never to be completelydiscovered by your question: Of all the babies/children placed in adoption how many were/are:Until recent days ADOPTIONS HAVE BEEN CLOAKED IN SECRECY. That is theonly viable answer, IMO. In addition: too many cooks in the kitchen, aswell...lawyers, brokers, state agencies, religious agencies, illegal,in family but never "registered." Best of luck getting a solid figurewith those variables.pb...

pb:

once again, thanks for the insight. I expect that you are correct in your
observation which leads me to another puzzle. If women do not wish to get
pregnant, why do they? Yes, I realize this is a major can or worms but with
all the education in this country and all the contraception that is
available it would seem that avoiding a pregnancy would not be all that
hard. I am married by the way with three grown children and a grand daugher.
Two of my kids are female. I am not living in a vacuum. In Europe I
understand the even have a "day after pill". If unwanted pregnancies were
effectively eliminated how much need would we then have for the "baby safe
haven laws" and domestic adoption? My line of inquiry is a bit ironic as I
am an abandoned baby and an aoptee. I can't help but wonder how much of the
anger, pain and venom that I see in some of these ng would vanish if there
were no more unwanted pregnancies. Be patient, I am just some dumb guy
trying to figure it out.

Raymond


"pb..." <woodlark-99@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:cg933001arr@news2.newsguy.com... Tm n Kat wrote:Subject: A matter of perspectiveFrom: "sylak" sylak@adelphia.netDate: 8/21/2004Let me limit the question to the USA as that is where I live:Of all the babies/children placed in adoption how many were/are:1. result of rape and/or incest2. removed from thier bp/bm by social sevices or child protective
services3. orphans4. result of an unwanted pregnancy caused by not using birth control5. other I was the product of two people who married and had three more children
so I guess that would put me (the baby) in either your category 4 or 5.
Kathy J I daresay that at least 80 to 90% of us fit into those two categories! ;-) pb...

Piggybacking:

Raymond asked:
There are clealy a number of well informed and well read folks in this group. Perhaps someone can provide some credible data on the following question: Let me limit the question to the USA as that is where I live: Of all the babies/children placed in adoption how many were/are: 1. result of rape and/or incest 2. removed from thier bp/bm by social sevices or child protective services 3. orphans 4. result of an unwanted pregnancy caused by not using birth control 5. other No, I am not doing any sort of study but having followed many of the threads in this group I can't help but wonder about the question that I posed above. It is unlikely that anyone even has such data but perhaps someone does. Thanks Raymond

I looked for information on rape and adoption some years ago and found nothing,
so did some very rough calculations on my own, which you can read here:

http://www.google.com/groups?q=+%22rape%22+group:alt.adoption+author:jmh jm
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