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Adoptee deaths rare, experts say
12 Russian cases troubling, puzzling

By Russell Working
Tribune staff reporter
Published May 21, 2004

In some cases, the children lasted only a few months in their new country.

Luke Evans, 16 months, died six months after he arrived in the United States.
His adopted mother, Natalie Fabian Evans of Lowell, Ind., is accused of shaking
him to death.

In other cases, they survived a little longer.

Yana and Anatoli Kolenda, both 11, died in 2002--nearly five years after their
arrival in America--when their adoptive father stabbed them and his wife to
death at their home in Westfield, Mass., then fatally shot himself.

Circumstances differ widely in the deaths of 12 Russian adoptees whose parents
have been accused of killing them in the past eight years, ranging from what
prosecutors portray as flashes of rage to abuse that spanned weeks.

Yet beneath the grim tales are common threads. Defense attorneys say parents
were stunned by the extent of their children's medical needs and behavioral
disorders. Prosecutors accuse the defense of trying to shift the blame to
innocent victims, who survived the deprivation of Russian orphanages only to
die in the families that were supposed to care for them.

And the doctors and psychologists who treat such children say some parents are
rushing into adoption unprepared for the problems that can accompany youngsters
from Eastern European and other orphanages, ranging from fetal alcohol syndrome
to emotional disorders.

The deaths, these experts say, are only the tip of an iceberg of adoptive
families ill-equipped to deal with troubled children.

"We're talking about very, very at-risk children placed with families who don't
know what they're doing, who are often left completely on their own," said Dr.
Jerri Jenista, a Michigan physician and adoptive mother who consults with
families seeking children abroad. "It's a prescription for disaster."

Studies show that most adoptive parents are happy with their children--whether
from Russia or elsewhere. These parents wince when the press plays up deaths in
adoptive families, said Adam Pertman, executive director of the Evan B.
Donaldson Adoption Institute, a New York nonprofit devoted to improving
adoption policy.

"Far more children die of abuse and neglect in biological families than in
adoptive families," Pertman said.

Agencies such as the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics do not break out child
slayings according to whether or not the victim is adopted.

Still, experts knew of no other country from which so many children have been
killed.

"It just didn't seem to exist until this phenomenon happened with the Russian
kids," said Thais Tepper, a Pennsylvania adoptive mother and co-founder of the
Parents Network for the Post-Institutionalized Child.There have been other
cases of severe abuse that did not result in death. A Utah couple face criminal
charges for allegedly starving two Russian children and an Ohio man imprisoned
on charges of throwing his adopted Russian daughter at the wall, breaking her
spine and leaving her unable to walk. Doctors and psychologists who treat such
troubled children in international adoptions say abuse cases are too numerous
to count.

Agencies that deal with adoptions often protest that in spotlighting abuse or
killings, the media misses the more commonplace stories of happy adoptions.
Antonia Forkin Edwardson, executive director of the Joint Council on
International Children's Services, an umbrella group of adoption agencies, said
abusive cases amount to only a tiny minority of the thousands of adoptions that
occur every year.

"The majority of international adoptions are positive," she said. "Families are
happy."

Others say the agencies share a degree of blame for adoptions gone wrong. While
agencies do home studies, seldom is any psychological screening done to weed
out parents with anger-management problems or those inadequate to the task of
raising children, said Ronald Federici, an Alexandria, Va., neuropsychologist
who specializes in internationally adopted children.

"I've never known a family to fail a home study," he said. "I have a family
that was charged with multiple counts of child abuse [after the adoption]. They
were major alcoholics before. The home study didn't find it."

The suspects in these cases differ from the profile of parents who kill
children nationwide, according to data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
None of the alleged killers had a prior record, compared to 56 percent of
family murder defendants nationwide.

Ten of the adults accused of killing Russian children--or 83 percent--were
women, compared to 55 percent of parent killers of children nationwide, perhaps
because mothers of adoptees are more likely to stay at home and therefore have
more contact with the children.

One reason for the high number of deaths among Russians may be that some
parents are unprepared for the problems related to fetal alcohol syndrome in a
country where alcohol abuse is rampant, experts say.

Even if Russian parents insist on raising a disabled child, child welfare
officials visit when the child is 6 or 7 years old and urge them to surrender
their youngster to an orphanage, said Boris Altshuler, head of the Moscow
children's advocacy group Right of the Child, which advocates reform in
Russia's orphanage system.

- - -

Violent deaths for 12 adopted Russian children

Alex Pavlis (6)

From: Yeysk, Russia

In U.S.: 6 weeks

Died: Dec. 18, 2003

Schaumburg, Ill. prosecutors say Alex's adoptive mother, Irma Pavlis, 32, beat
him to death. She has pleaded innocent.

Liam Thompson (3)

From: Ekimchan, Russia

In U.S.: 5 months

Died: Oct. 16, 2003

Gary Thompson of Columbus, Ohio, was sentenced to 15 years to life for scalding
his 3-year-old son and leaving the child to die in an unheated basement. His
wife Amy is awaiting trial.

Jessica Albina Hagmann (2)

From: Moscow

Died: Aug. 11, 2003

Patrice Hagmann of Prince William County, Va., was sentenced to probation and
two suspended 5-year terms in the death of her daughter. Hagmann said she
smothered Jessica while trying to calm a tantrum.

Maria Bennett (2)

From: Ussurisk, Russia

In U.S.: 9 months

Died: Oct. 23, 2002

Susan Jane Bennett, 41, of Lancaster, Ohio, was sentenced to three years in
prison last November for reckless homicide in the death of her daughter, who
died of shaken baby syndrome.

Yana and Anatoli Kolenda (both 11)

In U.S.: 5 years

Died: Oct. 20, 2002

Richard Kolenda, 49, of Westfield, Mass., fatally stabbed his wife and two
adopted Russian children and then shot himself to death, according to police.

Zachary Higier (2)

Died: Aug. 15, 2002

Natalia Higier, 47, of Braintree, Mass., was charged in the death of her son
Zachary, 2, who died of severe head trauma at home. She said he fell out of his
crib, but doctors told police that Zachary's injuries were consistent with
falling from a three-story building.

Jacob Lindorff (5)

From: Pskov oblast, Russia

In U.S.: 6 weeks

Died: Dec. 14, 2001

Heather Lindorff of Franklin, N.J., was sentenced to six years in prison in the
death of her son, who died of blunt head trauma. Lindorff's husband, James, 54,
is serving four years probation for child abuse.

Luke Evans (16 months)

From: Inozemtsevo, Russia

In U.S.: 6 months

Died: Nov. 30, 2001

Luke's adoptive mother, Natalie Fabian Evans, 33, of Lowell, Ind., was charged
in the death of her son, who died of massive brain injuries. She claimed he hit
his head in the bathtub. Trial is set for July.

Viktor Matthey (6)

From: Amur region, Russia

In U.S.: 10 months

Died: Oct. 31, 2000

Union Township, N.J., prosecutors charged Robert and Brenda Matthey in the
death of their son, saying the parents locked Viktor overnight in an unheated
pump room where he died of hypothermia. A jury deadlocked on manslaughter
charges May 19 but convicted the couple of lesser abuse charges.

Logan Higginbotham (3)

From: Smolensk, Russia

In U.S.: 7 months

Died: Nov. 25, 1998

Laura Higginbotham, 33, of Shelburne, Vt., pleaded innocent to involuntary
manslaughter in the death of her daughter, who died of a massive head injury.
Higginbotham said the girl fell and hit her head.

David Alexander Polreis (2)

From: Tula, Russia

In U.S.: 6 months

Died: Februrary 1996

Renee Polreis was sentenced to 22 years in prison in the killing of her son in
Colorado. Polreis claimed David beat himself to death with a wooden spoon in a
fit of rage.

Source: News reports

Chicago Tribune


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn) wrote in message news:<20040521083231.15096.00001612@mb-m10.aol.com>... http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0405210350may21,1,23799 36.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed Adoptee deaths rare, experts say 12 Russian cases troubling, puzzling By Russell Working Tribune staff reporter Published May 21, 2004 In some cases, the children lasted only a few months in their new country. Luke Evans, 16 months, died six months after he arrived in the United States. His adopted mother, Natalie Fabian Evans of Lowell, Ind., is accused of shaking him to death. In other cases, they survived a little longer. Yana and Anatoli Kolenda, both 11, died in 2002--nearly five years after their arrival in America--when their adoptive father stabbed them and his wife to death at their home in Westfield, Mass., then fatally shot himself. Circumstances differ widely in the deaths of 12 Russian adoptees whose parents have been accused of killing them in the past eight years, ranging from what prosecutors portray as flashes of rage to abuse that spanned weeks. Yet beneath the grim tales are common threads. Defense attorneys say parents were stunned by the extent of their children's medical needs and behavioral disorders. Prosecutors accuse the defense of trying to shift the blame to innocent victims, who survived the deprivation of Russian orphanages only to die in the families that were supposed to care for them. And the doctors and psychologists who treat such children say some parents are rushing into adoption unprepared for the problems that can accompany youngsters from Eastern European and other orphanages, ranging from fetal alcohol syndrome to emotional disorders. The deaths, these experts say, are only the tip of an iceberg of adoptive families ill-equipped to deal with troubled children. "We're talking about very, very at-risk children placed with families who don't know what they're doing, who are often left completely on their own," said Dr. Jerri Jenista, a Michigan physician and adoptive mother who consults with families seeking children abroad. "It's a prescription for disaster." Studies show that most adoptive parents are happy with their children--whether from Russia or elsewhere. These parents wince when the press plays up deaths in adoptive families, said Adam Pertman, executive director of the Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute, a New York nonprofit devoted to improving adoption policy. "Far more children die of abuse and neglect in biological families than in adoptive families," Pertman said. Agencies such as the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics do not break out child slayings according to whether or not the victim is adopted. Still, experts knew of no other country from which so many children have been killed. "It just didn't seem to exist until this phenomenon happened with the Russian kids," said Thais Tepper, a Pennsylvania adoptive mother and co-founder of the Parents Network for the Post-Institutionalized Child.There have been other cases of severe abuse that did not result in death. A Utah couple face criminal charges for allegedly starving two Russian children and an Ohio man imprisoned on charges of throwing his adopted Russian daughter at the wall, breaking her spine and leaving her unable to walk. Doctors and psychologists who treat such troubled children in international adoptions say abuse cases are too numerous to count. Agencies that deal with adoptions often protest that in spotlighting abuse or killings, the media misses the more commonplace stories of happy adoptions. Antonia Forkin Edwardson, executive director of the Joint Council on International Children's Services, an umbrella group of adoption agencies, said abusive cases amount to only a tiny minority of the thousands of adoptions that occur every year. "The majority of international adoptions are positive," she said. "Families are happy." Others say the agencies share a degree of blame for adoptions gone wrong. While agencies do home studies, seldom is any psychological screening done to weed out parents with anger-management problems or those inadequate to the task of raising children, said Ronald Federici, an Alexandria, Va., neuropsychologist who specializes in internationally adopted children. "I've never known a family to fail a home study," he said. "I have a family that was charged with multiple counts of child abuse [after the adoption]. They were major alcoholics before. The home study didn't find it." The suspects in these cases differ from the profile of parents who kill children nationwide, according to data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics. None of the alleged killers had a prior record, compared to 56 percent of family murder defendants nationwide. Ten of the adults accused of killing Russian children--or 83 percent--were women, compared to 55 percent of parent killers of children nationwide, perhaps because mothers of adoptees are more likely to stay at home and therefore have more contact with the children. One reason for the high number of deaths among Russians may be that some parents are unprepared for the problems related to fetal alcohol syndrome in a country where alcohol abuse is rampant, experts say. Even if Russian parents insist on raising a disabled child, child welfare officials visit when the child is 6 or 7 years old and urge them to surrender their youngster to an orphanage, said Boris Altshuler, head of the Moscow children's advocacy group Right of the Child, which advocates reform in Russia's orphanage system. - - - Violent deaths for 12 adopted Russian children Alex Pavlis (6) From: Yeysk, Russia In U.S.: 6 weeks Died: Dec. 18, 2003 Schaumburg, Ill. prosecutors say Alex's adoptive mother, Irma Pavlis, 32, beat him to death. She has pleaded innocent. Liam Thompson (3) From: Ekimchan, Russia In U.S.: 5 months Died: Oct. 16, 2003 Gary Thompson of Columbus, Ohio, was sentenced to 15 years to life for scalding his 3-year-old son and leaving the child to die in an unheated basement. His wife Amy is awaiting trial. Jessica Albina Hagmann (2) From: Moscow Died: Aug. 11, 2003 Patrice Hagmann of Prince William County, Va., was sentenced to probation and two suspended 5-year terms in the death of her daughter. Hagmann said she smothered Jessica while trying to calm a tantrum. Maria Bennett (2) From: Ussurisk, Russia In U.S.: 9 months Died: Oct. 23, 2002 Susan Jane Bennett, 41, of Lancaster, Ohio, was sentenced to three years in prison last November for reckless homicide in the death of her daughter, who died of shaken baby syndrome. Yana and Anatoli Kolenda (both 11) In U.S.: 5 years Died: Oct. 20, 2002 Richard Kolenda, 49, of Westfield, Mass., fatally stabbed his wife and two adopted Russian children and then shot himself to death, according to police. Zachary Higier (2) Died: Aug. 15, 2002 Natalia Higier, 47, of Braintree, Mass., was charged in the death of her son Zachary, 2, who died of severe head trauma at home. She said he fell out of his crib, but doctors told police that Zachary's injuries were consistent with falling from a three-story building. Jacob Lindorff (5) From: Pskov oblast, Russia In U.S.: 6 weeks Died: Dec. 14, 2001 Heather Lindorff of Franklin, N.J., was sentenced to six years in prison in the death of her son, who died of blunt head trauma. Lindorff's husband, James, 54, is serving four years probation for child abuse. Luke Evans (16 months) From: Inozemtsevo, Russia In U.S.: 6 months Died: Nov. 30, 2001 Luke's adoptive mother, Natalie Fabian Evans, 33, of Lowell, Ind., was charged in the death of her son, who died of massive brain injuries. She claimed he hit his head in the bathtub. Trial is set for July. Viktor Matthey (6) From: Amur region, Russia In U.S.: 10 months Died: Oct. 31, 2000 Union Township, N.J., prosecutors charged Robert and Brenda Matthey in the death of their son, saying the parents locked Viktor overnight in an unheated pump room where he died of hypothermia. A jury deadlocked on manslaughter charges May 19 but convicted the couple of lesser abuse charges. Logan Higginbotham (3) From: Smolensk, Russia In U.S.: 7 months Died: Nov. 25, 1998 Laura Higginbotham, 33, of Shelburne, Vt., pleaded innocent to involuntary manslaughter in the death of her daughter, who died of a massive head injury. Higginbotham said the girl fell and hit her head. David Alexander Polreis (2) From: Tula, Russia In U.S.: 6 months Died: Februrary 1996 Renee Polreis was sentenced to 22 years in prison in the killing of her son in Colorado. Polreis claimed David beat himself to death with a wooden spoon in a fit of rage. Source: News reports Chicago Tribune
They seem to have forgotten the couple who snapped the child's spine in half.

Di ------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown

lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn) wrote in message news:<20040521083231.15096.00001612@mb-m10.aol.com>... http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0405210350may21,1,23799 36.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed Adoptee deaths rare, experts say 12 Russian cases troubling, puzzling By Russell Working Tribune staff reporter Published May 21, 2004 In some cases, the children lasted only a few months in their new country. Luke Evans, 16 months, died six months after he arrived in the United States. His adopted mother, Natalie Fabian Evans of Lowell, Ind., is accused of shaking him to death. In other cases, they survived a little longer. Yana and Anatoli Kolenda, both 11, died in 2002--nearly five years after their arrival in America--when their adoptive father stabbed them and his wife to death at their home in Westfield, Mass., then fatally shot himself. Circumstances differ widely in the deaths of 12 Russian adoptees whose parents have been accused of killing them in the past eight years, ranging from what prosecutors portray as flashes of rage to abuse that spanned weeks. Yet beneath the grim tales are common threads. Defense attorneys say parents were stunned by the extent of their children's medical needs and behavioral disorders. Prosecutors accuse the defense of trying to shift the blame to innocent victims, who survived the deprivation of Russian orphanages only to die in the families that were supposed to care for them. And the doctors and psychologists who treat such children say some parents are rushing into adoption unprepared for the problems that can accompany youngsters from Eastern European and other orphanages, ranging from fetal alcohol syndrome to emotional disorders. The deaths, these experts say, are only the tip of an iceberg of adoptive families ill-equipped to deal with troubled children. "We're talking about very, very at-risk children placed with families who don't know what they're doing, who are often left completely on their own," said Dr. Jerri Jenista, a Michigan physician and adoptive mother who consults with families seeking children abroad. "It's a prescription for disaster." Studies show that most adoptive parents are happy with their children--whether from Russia or elsewhere. These parents wince when the press plays up deaths in adoptive families, said Adam Pertman, executive director of the Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute, a New York nonprofit devoted to improving adoption policy. "Far more children die of abuse and neglect in biological families than in adoptive families," Pertman said. Agencies such as the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics do not break out child slayings according to whether or not the victim is adopted. Still, experts knew of no other country from which so many children have been killed. "It just didn't seem to exist until this phenomenon happened with the Russian kids," said Thais Tepper, a Pennsylvania adoptive mother and co-founder of the Parents Network for the Post-Institutionalized Child.There have been other cases of severe abuse that did not result in death. A Utah couple face criminal charges for allegedly starving two Russian children and an Ohio man imprisoned on charges of throwing his adopted Russian daughter at the wall, breaking her spine and leaving her unable to walk. Doctors and psychologists who treat such troubled children in international adoptions say abuse cases are too numerous to count. Agencies that deal with adoptions often protest that in spotlighting abuse or killings, the media misses the more commonplace stories of happy adoptions. Antonia Forkin Edwardson, executive director of the Joint Council on International Children's Services, an umbrella group of adoption agencies, said abusive cases amount to only a tiny minority of the thousands of adoptions that occur every year. "The majority of international adoptions are positive," she said. "Families are happy." Others say the agencies share a degree of blame for adoptions gone wrong. While agencies do home studies, seldom is any psychological screening done to weed out parents with anger-management problems or those inadequate to the task of raising children, said Ronald Federici, an Alexandria, Va., neuropsychologist who specializes in internationally adopted children. "I've never known a family to fail a home study," he said. "I have a family that was charged with multiple counts of child abuse [after the adoption]. They were major alcoholics before. The home study didn't find it." The suspects in these cases differ from the profile of parents who kill children nationwide, according to data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics. None of the alleged killers had a prior record, compared to 56 percent of family murder defendants nationwide. Ten of the adults accused of killing Russian children--or 83 percent--were women, compared to 55 percent of parent killers of children nationwide, perhaps because mothers of adoptees are more likely to stay at home and therefore have more contact with the children. One reason for the high number of deaths among Russians may be that some parents are unprepared for the problems related to fetal alcohol syndrome in a country where alcohol abuse is rampant, experts say. Even if Russian parents insist on raising a disabled child, child welfare officials visit when the child is 6 or 7 years old and urge them to surrender their youngster to an orphanage, said Boris Altshuler, head of the Moscow children's advocacy group Right of the Child, which advocates reform in Russia's orphanage system. - - - Violent deaths for 12 adopted Russian children Alex Pavlis (6) From: Yeysk, Russia In U.S.: 6 weeks Died: Dec. 18, 2003 Schaumburg, Ill. prosecutors say Alex's adoptive mother, Irma Pavlis, 32, beat him to death. She has pleaded innocent. Liam Thompson (3) From: Ekimchan, Russia In U.S.: 5 months Died: Oct. 16, 2003 Gary Thompson of Columbus, Ohio, was sentenced to 15 years to life for scalding his 3-year-old son and leaving the child to die in an unheated basement. His wife Amy is awaiting trial. Jessica Albina Hagmann (2) From: Moscow Died: Aug. 11, 2003 Patrice Hagmann of Prince William County, Va., was sentenced to probation and two suspended 5-year terms in the death of her daughter. Hagmann said she smothered Jessica while trying to calm a tantrum. Maria Bennett (2) From: Ussurisk, Russia In U.S.: 9 months Died: Oct. 23, 2002 Susan Jane Bennett, 41, of Lancaster, Ohio, was sentenced to three years in prison last November for reckless homicide in the death of her daughter, who died of shaken baby syndrome. Yana and Anatoli Kolenda (both 11) In U.S.: 5 years Died: Oct. 20, 2002 Richard Kolenda, 49, of Westfield, Mass., fatally stabbed his wife and two adopted Russian children and then shot himself to death, according to police. Zachary Higier (2) Died: Aug. 15, 2002 Natalia Higier, 47, of Braintree, Mass., was charged in the death of her son Zachary, 2, who died of severe head trauma at home. She said he fell out of his crib, but doctors told police that Zachary's injuries were consistent with falling from a three-story building. Jacob Lindorff (5) From: Pskov oblast, Russia In U.S.: 6 weeks Died: Dec. 14, 2001 Heather Lindorff of Franklin, N.J., was sentenced to six years in prison in the death of her son, who died of blunt head trauma. Lindorff's husband, James, 54, is serving four years probation for child abuse. Luke Evans (16 months) From: Inozemtsevo, Russia In U.S.: 6 months Died: Nov. 30, 2001 Luke's adoptive mother, Natalie Fabian Evans, 33, of Lowell, Ind., was charged in the death of her son, who died of massive brain injuries. She claimed he hit his head in the bathtub. Trial is set for July. Viktor Matthey (6) From: Amur region, Russia In U.S.: 10 months Died: Oct. 31, 2000 Union Township, N.J., prosecutors charged Robert and Brenda Matthey in the death of their son, saying the parents locked Viktor overnight in an unheated pump room where he died of hypothermia. A jury deadlocked on manslaughter charges May 19 but convicted the couple of lesser abuse charges. Logan Higginbotham (3) From: Smolensk, Russia In U.S.: 7 months Died: Nov. 25, 1998 Laura Higginbotham, 33, of Shelburne, Vt., pleaded innocent to involuntary manslaughter in the death of her daughter, who died of a massive head injury. Higginbotham said the girl fell and hit her head. David Alexander Polreis (2) From: Tula, Russia In U.S.: 6 months Died: Februrary 1996 Renee Polreis was sentenced to 22 years in prison in the killing of her son in Colorado. Polreis claimed David beat himself to death with a wooden spoon in a fit of rage. Source: News reports Chicago Tribune
They seem to have forgotten the couple who snapped the child's spine in half.

Di ------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown

Dian:

Right here in the article it mentions Kelsey Hyre, the girl whose spine was
severed by her father Gerald in October 2002. I only know so much about
that case because the Kelsey's parents used my own favorite adoption agency
BUILDING BLOCKS in Medina, Ohio:

"There have been other cases of severe abuse that did not result in death. A
Utah couple face criminal charges for allegedly starving two Russian
children and an Ohio man imprisoned on charges of throwing his adopted
Russian daughter at the wall, breaking her spine and leaving her unable to
walk."

Elizabeth Case

Dian:

Right here in the article it mentions Kelsey Hyre, the girl whose spine was
severed by her father Gerald in October 2002. I only know so much about
that case because the Kelsey's parents used my own favorite adoption agency
BUILDING BLOCKS in Medina, Ohio:

"There have been other cases of severe abuse that did not result in death. A
Utah couple face criminal charges for allegedly starving two Russian
children and an Ohio man imprisoned on charges of throwing his adopted
Russian daughter at the wall, breaking her spine and leaving her unable to
walk."

Elizabeth Case

"Elizabeth Case" <dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<l3yrc.33$7R1.30@news01.roc.ny>... Dian: Right here in the article it mentions Kelsey Hyre, the girl whose spine was severed by her father Gerald in October 2002.

Oh right. Thanks Elizabeth. I didn't know their names but didn't see
any spines mentioned.

I only know so much about that case because the Kelsey's parents used my own favorite adoption agency BUILDING BLOCKS in Medina, Ohio:

Yes, I remember how unethical they were in your case as well. Have
they been forced to shut up shop yet? "There have been other cases of severe abuse that did not result in death. A Utah couple face criminal charges for allegedly starving two Russian children and an Ohio man imprisoned on charges of throwing his adopted Russian daughter at the wall, breaking her spine and leaving her unable to walk." Elizabeth Case

I wonder what is causing this? It seems to be primarily Russian kids
who end up dead or maimed. You don't hear about children from other
nationalities anywhere nearly as often. It can't be due to being
institutionalised because a lot of other kids were also in orphanages
elsewhere. The only thing I can think of is that agencies dealing with
Russian adoptions are failing to properly inform PAP's of what they
are dealing with and the problems such children have, and being
slacker when it comes to their home study criteria. What else could it
be?

"Elizabeth Case" <dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<l3yrc.33$7R1.30@news01.roc.ny>... Dian: Right here in the article it mentions Kelsey Hyre, the girl whose spine was severed by her father Gerald in October 2002.

Oh right. Thanks Elizabeth. I didn't know their names but didn't see
any spines mentioned.

I only know so much about that case because the Kelsey's parents used my own favorite adoption agency BUILDING BLOCKS in Medina, Ohio:

Yes, I remember how unethical they were in your case as well. Have
they been forced to shut up shop yet? "There have been other cases of severe abuse that did not result in death. A Utah couple face criminal charges for allegedly starving two Russian children and an Ohio man imprisoned on charges of throwing his adopted Russian daughter at the wall, breaking her spine and leaving her unable to walk." Elizabeth Case

I wonder what is causing this? It seems to be primarily Russian kids
who end up dead or maimed. You don't hear about children from other
nationalities anywhere nearly as often. It can't be due to being
institutionalised because a lot of other kids were also in orphanages
elsewhere. The only thing I can think of is that agencies dealing with
Russian adoptions are failing to properly inform PAP's of what they
are dealing with and the problems such children have, and being
slacker when it comes to their home study criteria. What else could it
be?

In article <9a095db9.0405232243.68774804@posting.google.com>,
Dian <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >I wonder what is causing this? It seems to be primarily Russian kids> >who end up dead or maimed. You don't hear about children from other> >nationalities anywhere nearly as often. It can't be due to being> >institutionalised because a lot of other kids were also in orphanages> >elsewhere. The only thing I can think of is that agencies dealing with> >Russian adoptions are failing to properly inform PAP's of what they> >are dealing with and the problems such children have, and being> >slacker when it comes to their home study criteria. What else could it> >be?


Having had no experience with E. European adoption, I cannot speak to the
amount of preparation or lack of it given to PAPS adopting from E. Europe.
I can say that minimal research clearly indicates that the chances of
adopting a special needs child (unidentfied) from E. Europe are much
higher than they are for other countries such as CHina or Latin America.
(Latin American adoptions can have really bad ethical and legal
problems--from kidnapped babies to expected bribery.)

Along with the fact that these helpless little ones are abused in
orphanages and are given minimal care, there is the problem of high,
extremely high alcoholism rates in the Soviet Union. I think PAPS who
PAPS who don't do their homework don't realize how horrible FAS
is.

Anyone who abuses or murders a child needs to be locked
up forever.

As for that Building Blocks agency in Medina, OH, it needs to be razed to
the ground. What a bunch of crooks.


Waiting for Di to tell me how awful I am for deciding to adopt from China
because there was far less liklihood my daughter would suffer from FAS.

Linda

In article <9a095db9.0405232243.68774804@posting.google.com>,
Dian <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >I wonder what is causing this? It seems to be primarily Russian kids> >who end up dead or maimed. You don't hear about children from other> >nationalities anywhere nearly as often. It can't be due to being> >institutionalised because a lot of other kids were also in orphanages> >elsewhere. The only thing I can think of is that agencies dealing with> >Russian adoptions are failing to properly inform PAP's of what they> >are dealing with and the problems such children have, and being> >slacker when it comes to their home study criteria. What else could it> >be?


Having had no experience with E. European adoption, I cannot speak to the
amount of preparation or lack of it given to PAPS adopting from E. Europe.
I can say that minimal research clearly indicates that the chances of
adopting a special needs child (unidentfied) from E. Europe are much
higher than they are for other countries such as CHina or Latin America.
(Latin American adoptions can have really bad ethical and legal
problems--from kidnapped babies to expected bribery.)

Along with the fact that these helpless little ones are abused in
orphanages and are given minimal care, there is the problem of high,
extremely high alcoholism rates in the Soviet Union. I think PAPS who
PAPS who don't do their homework don't realize how horrible FAS
is.

Anyone who abuses or murders a child needs to be locked
up forever.

As for that Building Blocks agency in Medina, OH, it needs to be razed to
the ground. What a bunch of crooks.


Waiting for Di to tell me how awful I am for deciding to adopt from China
because there was far less liklihood my daughter would suffer from FAS.

Linda

patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<9a095db9.0405222109.1f110666@posting.google.com>... "Elizabeth Case" <dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<l3yrc.33$7R1.30@news01.roc.ny>... Dian: Right here in the article it mentions Kelsey Hyre, the girl whose spine was severed by her father Gerald in October 2002. Oh right. Thanks Elizabeth. I didn't know their names but didn't see any spines mentioned. I only know so much about that case because the Kelsey's parents used my own favorite adoption agency BUILDING BLOCKS in Medina, Ohio: Yes, I remember how unethical they were in your case as well. Have they been forced to shut up shop yet? "There have been other cases of severe abuse that did not result in death. A Utah couple face criminal charges for allegedly starving two Russian children and an Ohio man imprisoned on charges of throwing his adopted Russian daughter at the wall, breaking her spine and leaving her unable to walk." Elizabeth Case I wonder what is causing this? It seems to be primarily Russian kids who end up dead or maimed. You don't hear about children from other nationalities anywhere nearly as often. It can't be due to being institutionalised because a lot of other kids were also in orphanages elsewhere. The only thing I can think of is that agencies dealing with Russian adoptions are failing to properly inform PAP's of what they are dealing with and the problems such children have, and being slacker when it comes to their home study criteria. What else could it be?

I wonder if the PAPs looking for these Russian kids are more in denial
than other PAPs. I've heard of a lot of people going to Russia because
they can avoid the open adoptions here and yet still obtain a "white
child", I guess to more fully assimilate into their families. Maybe
some of these problems are arising because their ethnicity is easier
to cover up and destroy than children coming from other countries. Who
knows. Maybe they are treated worse in the orphanages in their
country. I think a lot of PAPs are looking for a very quick fix and
not thinking at all about what a baby, especially one with "issues" is
going to do to their family. There was a great Law and Order SVU
episode about this (not Russian adoption) but about a Mom who adopted,
then had (unexpectedly) her own twins and ended up killing the adopted
kid because she couldn't give her back.

patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<9a095db9.0405222109.1f110666@posting.google.com>... "Elizabeth Case" <dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<l3yrc.33$7R1.30@news01.roc.ny>... Dian: Right here in the article it mentions Kelsey Hyre, the girl whose spine was severed by her father Gerald in October 2002. Oh right. Thanks Elizabeth. I didn't know their names but didn't see any spines mentioned. I only know so much about that case because the Kelsey's parents used my own favorite adoption agency BUILDING BLOCKS in Medina, Ohio: Yes, I remember how unethical they were in your case as well. Have they been forced to shut up shop yet? "There have been other cases of severe abuse that did not result in death. A Utah couple face criminal charges for allegedly starving two Russian children and an Ohio man imprisoned on charges of throwing his adopted Russian daughter at the wall, breaking her spine and leaving her unable to walk." Elizabeth Case I wonder what is causing this? It seems to be primarily Russian kids who end up dead or maimed. You don't hear about children from other nationalities anywhere nearly as often. It can't be due to being institutionalised because a lot of other kids were also in orphanages elsewhere. The only thing I can think of is that agencies dealing with Russian adoptions are failing to properly inform PAP's of what they are dealing with and the problems such children have, and being slacker when it comes to their home study criteria. What else could it be?

I wonder if the PAPs looking for these Russian kids are more in denial
than other PAPs. I've heard of a lot of people going to Russia because
they can avoid the open adoptions here and yet still obtain a "white
child", I guess to more fully assimilate into their families. Maybe
some of these problems are arising because their ethnicity is easier
to cover up and destroy than children coming from other countries. Who
knows. Maybe they are treated worse in the orphanages in their
country. I think a lot of PAPs are looking for a very quick fix and
not thinking at all about what a baby, especially one with "issues" is
going to do to their family. There was a great Law and Order SVU
episode about this (not Russian adoption) but about a Mom who adopted,
then had (unexpectedly) her own twins and ended up killing the adopted
kid because she couldn't give her back.

>Subject: Re: Adoptee deaths rare, experts sayFrom: aspensky@knology.net (Debbie)Date: 5/24/2004 7:42 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <4b23522a.0405241742.270171ee@posting.google.com>patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote in messagenews:<9a095db9.0405222109.1f110666@posting.google.com>... "Elizabeth Case" <dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote in messagenews:<l3yrc.33$7R1.30@news01.roc.ny>... Dian: Right here in the article it mentions Kelsey Hyre, the girl whose spinewas severed by her father Gerald in October 2002. Oh right. Thanks Elizabeth. I didn't know their names but didn't see any spines mentioned. I only know so much about that case because the Kelsey's parents used my own favorite adoptionagency BUILDING BLOCKS in Medina, Ohio: Yes, I remember how unethical they were in your case as well. Have they been forced to shut up shop yet? "There have been other cases of severe abuse that did not result indeath. A Utah couple face criminal charges for allegedly starving two Russian children and an Ohio man imprisoned on charges of throwing his adopted Russian daughter at the wall, breaking her spine and leaving her unableto walk." Elizabeth Case I wonder what is causing this? It seems to be primarily Russian kids who end up dead or maimed. You don't hear about children from other nationalities anywhere nearly as often. It can't be due to being institutionalised because a lot of other kids were also in orphanages elsewhere. The only thing I can think of is that agencies dealing with Russian adoptions are failing to properly inform PAP's of what they are dealing with and the problems such children have, and being slacker when it comes to their home study criteria. What else could it be?I wonder if the PAPs looking for these Russian kids are more in denialthan other PAPs. I've heard of a lot of people going to Russia becausethey can avoid the open adoptions here and yet still obtain a "whitechild", I guess to more fully assimilate into their families.

Well, hey, we had full evidence of that from a previous (he who shalt not be
named) poster. LOL


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

>Subject: Re: Adoptee deaths rare, experts sayFrom: aspensky@knology.net (Debbie)Date: 5/24/2004 7:42 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <4b23522a.0405241742.270171ee@posting.google.com>patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote in messagenews:<9a095db9.0405222109.1f110666@posting.google.com>... "Elizabeth Case" <dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote in messagenews:<l3yrc.33$7R1.30@news01.roc.ny>... Dian: Right here in the article it mentions Kelsey Hyre, the girl whose spinewas severed by her father Gerald in October 2002. Oh right. Thanks Elizabeth. I didn't know their names but didn't see any spines mentioned. I only know so much about that case because the Kelsey's parents used my own favorite adoptionagency BUILDING BLOCKS in Medina, Ohio: Yes, I remember how unethical they were in your case as well. Have they been forced to shut up shop yet? "There have been other cases of severe abuse that did not result indeath. A Utah couple face criminal charges for allegedly starving two Russian children and an Ohio man imprisoned on charges of throwing his adopted Russian daughter at the wall, breaking her spine and leaving her unableto walk." Elizabeth Case I wonder what is causing this? It seems to be primarily Russian kids who end up dead or maimed. You don't hear about children from other nationalities anywhere nearly as often. It can't be due to being institutionalised because a lot of other kids were also in orphanages elsewhere. The only thing I can think of is that agencies dealing with Russian adoptions are failing to properly inform PAP's of what they are dealing with and the problems such children have, and being slacker when it comes to their home study criteria. What else could it be?I wonder if the PAPs looking for these Russian kids are more in denialthan other PAPs. I've heard of a lot of people going to Russia becausethey can avoid the open adoptions here and yet still obtain a "whitechild", I guess to more fully assimilate into their families.

Well, hey, we had full evidence of that from a previous (he who shalt not be
named) poster. LOL


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote in message news:<4b23522a.0405241742.270171ee@posting.google.com>... patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<9a095db9.0405222109.1f110666@posting.google.com>... "Elizabeth Case" <dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<l3yrc.33$7R1.30@news01.roc.ny>... Dian: Right here in the article it mentions Kelsey Hyre, the girl whose spine was severed by her father Gerald in October 2002. Oh right. Thanks Elizabeth. I didn't know their names but didn't see any spines mentioned. I only know so much about that case because the Kelsey's parents used my own favorite adoption agency BUILDING BLOCKS in Medina, Ohio: Yes, I remember how unethical they were in your case as well. Have they been forced to shut up shop yet? "There have been other cases of severe abuse that did not result in death. A Utah couple face criminal charges for allegedly starving two Russian children and an Ohio man imprisoned on charges of throwing his adopted Russian daughter at the wall, breaking her spine and leaving her unable to walk." Elizabeth Case I wonder what is causing this? It seems to be primarily Russian kids who end up dead or maimed. You don't hear about children from other nationalities anywhere nearly as often. It can't be due to being institutionalised because a lot of other kids were also in orphanages elsewhere. The only thing I can think of is that agencies dealing with Russian adoptions are failing to properly inform PAP's of what they are dealing with and the problems such children have, and being slacker when it comes to their home study criteria. What else could it be? I wonder if the PAPs looking for these Russian kids are more in denial than other PAPs. I've heard of a lot of people going to Russia because they can avoid the open adoptions here and yet still obtain a "white child", I guess to more fully assimilate into their families. Maybe some of these problems are arising because their ethnicity is easier to cover up and destroy than children coming from other countries. Who knows. Maybe they are treated worse in the orphanages in their country. I think a lot of PAPs are looking for a very quick fix and not thinking at all about what a baby, especially one with "issues" is going to do to their family. There was a great Law and Order SVU episode about this (not Russian adoption) but about a Mom who adopted, then had (unexpectedly) her own twins and ended up killing the adopted kid because she couldn't give her back.

I suppose it could be all of the above. But going by what Julia has
posted
it seems the way Russion adoptions are being sold to PAP's (promoting
a fantasy child) might have a lot to do with the problems and
disappointments. I remember quite some years ago a couple who had
adopted two Russian children had a quick awakening during their flight
back to Australia and handed the children over to the Dept as soon as
they touched down at Sydney airport. I don't kow if the children were
subsequently adopted by another couple but according to our Govt
Departments there is a small but still significant number of OS
adopted children who end up in the care system. Never heard of any
being killed though.
I imagine a lot of fantasy family stuff goes along with people's
desire to adopt. That and the altruistic notion that one can heal the
hurt child by love alone. I love Law and Order. Will have to keep an
eye out for that episode.

aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote in message news:<4b23522a.0405241742.270171ee@posting.google.com>... patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<9a095db9.0405222109.1f110666@posting.google.com>... "Elizabeth Case" <dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<l3yrc.33$7R1.30@news01.roc.ny>... Dian: Right here in the article it mentions Kelsey Hyre, the girl whose spine was severed by her father Gerald in October 2002. Oh right. Thanks Elizabeth. I didn't know their names but didn't see any spines mentioned. I only know so much about that case because the Kelsey's parents used my own favorite adoption agency BUILDING BLOCKS in Medina, Ohio: Yes, I remember how unethical they were in your case as well. Have they been forced to shut up shop yet? "There have been other cases of severe abuse that did not result in death. A Utah couple face criminal charges for allegedly starving two Russian children and an Ohio man imprisoned on charges of throwing his adopted Russian daughter at the wall, breaking her spine and leaving her unable to walk." Elizabeth Case I wonder what is causing this? It seems to be primarily Russian kids who end up dead or maimed. You don't hear about children from other nationalities anywhere nearly as often. It can't be due to being institutionalised because a lot of other kids were also in orphanages elsewhere. The only thing I can think of is that agencies dealing with Russian adoptions are failing to properly inform PAP's of what they are dealing with and the problems such children have, and being slacker when it comes to their home study criteria. What else could it be? I wonder if the PAPs looking for these Russian kids are more in denial than other PAPs. I've heard of a lot of people going to Russia because they can avoid the open adoptions here and yet still obtain a "white child", I guess to more fully assimilate into their families. Maybe some of these problems are arising because their ethnicity is easier to cover up and destroy than children coming from other countries. Who knows. Maybe they are treated worse in the orphanages in their country. I think a lot of PAPs are looking for a very quick fix and not thinking at all about what a baby, especially one with "issues" is going to do to their family. There was a great Law and Order SVU episode about this (not Russian adoption) but about a Mom who adopted, then had (unexpectedly) her own twins and ended up killing the adopted kid because she couldn't give her back.

I suppose it could be all of the above. But going by what Julia has
posted
it seems the way Russion adoptions are being sold to PAP's (promoting
a fantasy child) might have a lot to do with the problems and
disappointments. I remember quite some years ago a couple who had
adopted two Russian children had a quick awakening during their flight
back to Australia and handed the children over to the Dept as soon as
they touched down at Sydney airport. I don't kow if the children were
subsequently adopted by another couple but according to our Govt
Departments there is a small but still significant number of OS
adopted children who end up in the care system. Never heard of any
being killed though.
I imagine a lot of fantasy family stuff goes along with people's
desire to adopt. That and the altruistic notion that one can heal the
hurt child by love alone. I love Law and Order. Will have to keep an
eye out for that episode.

On 24 May 2004 23:23:11 -0700, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian)
wrote:
aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote in message news:<4b23522a.0405241742.270171ee@posting.google.com>... patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<9a095db9.0405222109.1f110666@posting.google.com>... "Elizabeth Case" <dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<l3yrc.33$7R1.30@news01.roc.ny>... > Dian: > > Right here in the article it mentions Kelsey Hyre, the girl whose spine was > severed by her father Gerald in October 2002. Oh right. Thanks Elizabeth. I didn't know their names but didn't see any spines mentioned. I only know so much about > that case because the Kelsey's parents used my own favorite adoption agency > BUILDING BLOCKS in Medina, Ohio: Yes, I remember how unethical they were in your case as well. Have they been forced to shut up shop yet? > > "There have been other cases of severe abuse that did not result in death. A > Utah couple face criminal charges for allegedly starving two Russian > children and an Ohio man imprisoned on charges of throwing his adopted > Russian daughter at the wall, breaking her spine and leaving her unable to > walk." > > Elizabeth Case I wonder what is causing this? It seems to be primarily Russian kids who end up dead or maimed. You don't hear about children from other nationalities anywhere nearly as often. It can't be due to being institutionalised because a lot of other kids were also in orphanages elsewhere. The only thing I can think of is that agencies dealing with Russian adoptions are failing to properly inform PAP's of what they are dealing with and the problems such children have, and being slacker when it comes to their home study criteria. What else could it be? I wonder if the PAPs looking for these Russian kids are more in denial than other PAPs. I've heard of a lot of people going to Russia because they can avoid the open adoptions here and yet still obtain a "white child", I guess to more fully assimilate into their families. Maybe some of these problems are arising because their ethnicity is easier to cover up and destroy than children coming from other countries. Who knows. Maybe they are treated worse in the orphanages in their country. I think a lot of PAPs are looking for a very quick fix and not thinking at all about what a baby, especially one with "issues" is going to do to their family. There was a great Law and Order SVU episode about this (not Russian adoption) but about a Mom who adopted, then had (unexpectedly) her own twins and ended up killing the adopted kid because she couldn't give her back.I suppose it could be all of the above. But going by what Julia haspostedit seems the way Russion adoptions are being sold to PAP's (promotinga fantasy child) might have a lot to do with the problems anddisappointments. I remember quite some years ago a couple who hadadopted two Russian children had a quick awakening during their flightback to Australia and handed the children over to the Dept as soon asthey touched down at Sydney airport.

Are you sure this was an Australian case Di? Aussies haven't been
able to adopt Russian children as there isn't any bilateral agreement
between Russia and Australia. If and when Russia ratifies the Hague
Convention it might become a possibility, but not yet. I only know
one Australian family with a Russian child and he was adopted while
they were living and working in the US (Aussies living abroad can
adopt from any country if they are genuinely resident overseas for a
minimum of 12 months).

I do recall vague details of a case where American adoptive parents
were accused of abusing two newly adopted Russian children on a flight
back to the US, but I can't recall what happened after that. Anyone
know?

Julia
I don't kow if the children weresubsequently adopted by another couple but according to our GovtDepartments there is a small but still significant number of OSadopted children who end up in the care system. Never heard of anybeing killed though.I imagine a lot of fantasy family stuff goes along with people'sdesire to adopt. That and the altruistic notion that one can heal thehurt child by love alone. I love Law and Order. Will have to keep aneye out for that episode.

On 24 May 2004 23:23:11 -0700, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian)
wrote:
aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote in message news:<4b23522a.0405241742.270171ee@posting.google.com>... patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<9a095db9.0405222109.1f110666@posting.google.com>... "Elizabeth Case" <dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<l3yrc.33$7R1.30@news01.roc.ny>... > Dian: > > Right here in the article it mentions Kelsey Hyre, the girl whose spine was > severed by her father Gerald in October 2002. Oh right. Thanks Elizabeth. I didn't know their names but didn't see any spines mentioned. I only know so much about > that case because the Kelsey's parents used my own favorite adoption agency > BUILDING BLOCKS in Medina, Ohio: Yes, I remember how unethical they were in your case as well. Have they been forced to shut up shop yet? > > "There have been other cases of severe abuse that did not result in death. A > Utah couple face criminal charges for allegedly starving two Russian > children and an Ohio man imprisoned on charges of throwing his adopted > Russian daughter at the wall, breaking her spine and leaving her unable to > walk." > > Elizabeth Case I wonder what is causing this? It seems to be primarily Russian kids who end up dead or maimed. You don't hear about children from other nationalities anywhere nearly as often. It can't be due to being institutionalised because a lot of other kids were also in orphanages elsewhere. The only thing I can think of is that agencies dealing with Russian adoptions are failing to properly inform PAP's of what they are dealing with and the problems such children have, and being slacker when it comes to their home study criteria. What else could it be? I wonder if the PAPs looking for these Russian kids are more in denial than other PAPs. I've heard of a lot of people going to Russia because they can avoid the open adoptions here and yet still obtain a "white child", I guess to more fully assimilate into their families. Maybe some of these problems are arising because their ethnicity is easier to cover up and destroy than children coming from other countries. Who knows. Maybe they are treated worse in the orphanages in their country. I think a lot of PAPs are looking for a very quick fix and not thinking at all about what a baby, especially one with "issues" is going to do to their family. There was a great Law and Order SVU episode about this (not Russian adoption) but about a Mom who adopted, then had (unexpectedly) her own twins and ended up killing the adopted kid because she couldn't give her back.I suppose it could be all of the above. But going by what Julia haspostedit seems the way Russion adoptions are being sold to PAP's (promotinga fantasy child) might have a lot to do with the problems anddisappointments. I remember quite some years ago a couple who hadadopted two Russian children had a quick awakening during their flightback to Australia and handed the children over to the Dept as soon asthey touched down at Sydney airport.

Are you sure this was an Australian case Di? Aussies haven't been
able to adopt Russian children as there isn't any bilateral agreement
between Russia and Australia. If and when Russia ratifies the Hague
Convention it might become a possibility, but not yet. I only know
one Australian family with a Russian child and he was adopted while
they were living and working in the US (Aussies living abroad can
adopt from any country if they are genuinely resident overseas for a
minimum of 12 months).

I do recall vague details of a case where American adoptive parents
were accused of abusing two newly adopted Russian children on a flight
back to the US, but I can't recall what happened after that. Anyone
know?

Julia
I don't kow if the children weresubsequently adopted by another couple but according to our GovtDepartments there is a small but still significant number of OSadopted children who end up in the care system. Never heard of anybeing killed though.I imagine a lot of fantasy family stuff goes along with people'sdesire to adopt. That and the altruistic notion that one can heal thehurt child by love alone. I love Law and Order. Will have to keep aneye out for that episode.

> I do recall vague details of a case where American adoptive parents were accused of abusing two newly adopted Russian children on a flight back to the US, but I can't recall what happened after that. Anyone know?
I heard that this was a US case. An adoption health professional
described it as the fastest disruption he'd ever seen. The parents
called from the airport on arrival in US with 2 Russian kids and
phoned the agency to hand the kids over.
Megan

> I do recall vague details of a case where American adoptive parents were accused of abusing two newly adopted Russian children on a flight back to the US, but I can't recall what happened after that. Anyone know?
I heard that this was a US case. An adoption health professional
described it as the fastest disruption he'd ever seen. The parents
called from the airport on arrival in US with 2 Russian kids and
phoned the agency to hand the kids over.
Megan

Julia <jurol@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<h8r5b0hfro3t18ij4dhso46nno96j79ab5@4ax.com>... On 24 May 2004 23:23:11 -0700, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote:aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote in message news:<4b23522a.0405241742.270171ee@posting.google.com>... patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<9a095db9.0405222109.1f110666@posting.google.com>... > "Elizabeth Case" <dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<l3yrc.33$7R1.30@news01.roc.ny>... > > Dian: > > > > Right here in the article it mentions Kelsey Hyre, the girl whose spine was > > severed by her father Gerald in October 2002. > > Oh right. Thanks Elizabeth. I didn't know their names but didn't see > any spines mentioned. > > I only know so much about > > that case because the Kelsey's parents used my own favorite adoption agency > > BUILDING BLOCKS in Medina, Ohio: > > Yes, I remember how unethical they were in your case as well. Have > they been forced to shut up shop yet? > > > > "There have been other cases of severe abuse that did not result in death. A > > Utah couple face criminal charges for allegedly starving two Russian > > children and an Ohio man imprisoned on charges of throwing his adopted > > Russian daughter at the wall, breaking her spine and leaving her unable to > > walk." > > > > Elizabeth Case > > I wonder what is causing this? It seems to be primarily Russian kids > who end up dead or maimed. You don't hear about children from other > nationalities anywhere nearly as often. It can't be due to being > institutionalised because a lot of other kids were also in orphanages > elsewhere. The only thing I can think of is that agencies dealing with > Russian adoptions are failing to properly inform PAP's of what they > are dealing with and the problems such children have, and being > slacker when it comes to their home study criteria. What else could it > be? I wonder if the PAPs looking for these Russian kids are more in denial than other PAPs. I've heard of a lot of people going to Russia because they can avoid the open adoptions here and yet still obtain a "white child", I guess to more fully assimilate into their families. Maybe some of these problems are arising because their ethnicity is easier to cover up and destroy than children coming from other countries. Who knows. Maybe they are treated worse in the orphanages in their country. I think a lot of PAPs are looking for a very quick fix and not thinking at all about what a baby, especially one with "issues" is going to do to their family. There was a great Law and Order SVU episode about this (not Russian adoption) but about a Mom who adopted, then had (unexpectedly) her own twins and ended up killing the adopted kid because she couldn't give her back.I suppose it could be all of the above. But going by what Julia haspostedit seems the way Russion adoptions are being sold to PAP's (promotinga fantasy child) might have a lot to do with the problems anddisappointments. I remember quite some years ago a couple who hadadopted two Russian children had a quick awakening during their flightback to Australia and handed the children over to the Dept as soon asthey touched down at Sydney airport. Are you sure this was an Australian case Di? Aussies haven't been able to adopt Russian children as there isn't any bilateral agreement between Russia and Australia. If and when Russia ratifies the Hague Convention it might become a possibility, but not yet. I only know one Australian family with a Russian child and he was adopted while they were living and working in the US (Aussies living abroad can adopt from any country if they are genuinely resident overseas for a minimum of 12 months). I do recall vague details of a case where American adoptive parents were accused of abusing two newly adopted Russian children on a flight back to the US, but I can't recall what happened after that. Anyone know? Julia
No it was definitely Oz. Although it is possible that they might not
have been Russian. There was no mention of the children being abused
at all. I've heard of the US incedent. There was a also similar
situation where the afather began yelling at their newly adopted
toddler because she was crying on the plane on the way back to the US.
I don't kow if the children weresubsequently adopted by another couple but according to our GovtDepartments there is a small but still significant number of OSadopted children who end up in the care system. Never heard of anybeing killed though.I imagine a lot of fantasy family stuff goes along with people'sdesire to adopt. That and the altruistic notion that one can heal thehurt child by love alone. I love Law and Order. Will have to keep aneye out for that episode.

Julia <jurol@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<h8r5b0hfro3t18ij4dhso46nno96j79ab5@4ax.com>... On 24 May 2004 23:23:11 -0700, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote:aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote in message news:<4b23522a.0405241742.270171ee@posting.google.com>... patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<9a095db9.0405222109.1f110666@posting.google.com>... > "Elizabeth Case" <dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<l3yrc.33$7R1.30@news01.roc.ny>... > > Dian: > > > > Right here in the article it mentions Kelsey Hyre, the girl whose spine was > > severed by her father Gerald in October 2002. > > Oh right. Thanks Elizabeth. I didn't know their names but didn't see > any spines mentioned. > > I only know so much about > > that case because the Kelsey's parents used my own favorite adoption agency > > BUILDING BLOCKS in Medina, Ohio: > > Yes, I remember how unethical they were in your case as well. Have > they been forced to shut up shop yet? > > > > "There have been other cases of severe abuse that did not result in death. A > > Utah couple face criminal charges for allegedly starving two Russian > > children and an Ohio man imprisoned on charges of throwing his adopted > > Russian daughter at the wall, breaking her spine and leaving her unable to > > walk." > > > > Elizabeth Case > > I wonder what is causing this? It seems to be primarily Russian kids > who end up dead or maimed. You don't hear about children from other > nationalities anywhere nearly as often. It can't be due to being > institutionalised because a lot of other kids were also in orphanages > elsewhere. The only thing I can think of is that agencies dealing with > Russian adoptions are failing to properly inform PAP's of what they > are dealing with and the problems such children have, and being > slacker when it comes to their home study criteria. What else could it > be? I wonder if the PAPs looking for these Russian kids are more in denial than other PAPs. I've heard of a lot of people going to Russia because they can avoid the open adoptions here and yet still obtain a "white child", I guess to more fully assimilate into their families. Maybe some of these problems are arising because their ethnicity is easier to cover up and destroy than children coming from other countries. Who knows. Maybe they are treated worse in the orphanages in their country. I think a lot of PAPs are looking for a very quick fix and not thinking at all about what a baby, especially one with "issues" is going to do to their family. There was a great Law and Order SVU episode about this (not Russian adoption) but about a Mom who adopted, then had (unexpectedly) her own twins and ended up killing the adopted kid because she couldn't give her back.I suppose it could be all of the above. But going by what Julia haspostedit seems the way Russion adoptions are being sold to PAP's (promotinga fantasy child) might have a lot to do with the problems anddisappointments. I remember quite some years ago a couple who hadadopted two Russian children had a quick awakening during their flightback to Australia and handed the children over to the Dept as soon asthey touched down at Sydney airport. Are you sure this was an Australian case Di? Aussies haven't been able to adopt Russian children as there isn't any bilateral agreement between Russia and Australia. If and when Russia ratifies the Hague Convention it might become a possibility, but not yet. I only know one Australian family with a Russian child and he was adopted while they were living and working in the US (Aussies living abroad can adopt from any country if they are genuinely resident overseas for a minimum of 12 months). I do recall vague details of a case where American adoptive parents were accused of abusing two newly adopted Russian children on a flight back to the US, but I can't recall what happened after that. Anyone know? Julia
No it was definitely Oz. Although it is possible that they might not
have been Russian. There was no mention of the children being abused
at all. I've heard of the US incedent. There was a also similar
situation where the afather began yelling at their newly adopted
toddler because she was crying on the plane on the way back to the US.
I don't kow if the children weresubsequently adopted by another couple but according to our GovtDepartments there is a small but still significant number of OSadopted children who end up in the care system. Never heard of anybeing killed though.I imagine a lot of fantasy family stuff goes along with people'sdesire to adopt. That and the altruistic notion that one can heal thehurt child by love alone. I love Law and Order. Will have to keep aneye out for that episode.

On 25 May 2004 06:02:12 -0700, megan14r-reps@yahoo.com (megan) wrote:
I do recall vague details of a case where American adoptive parents were accused of abusing two newly adopted Russian children on a flight back to the US, but I can't recall what happened after that. Anyone know?I heard that this was a US case. An adoption health professionaldescribed it as the fastest disruption he'd ever seen. The parentscalled from the airport on arrival in US with 2 Russian kids andphoned the agency to hand the kids over.Megan

That would be right. I remember Federici at the recent adoption
conference saying a handover at an airport had been the fastest
breakdown. He said his fastest previous one had been a couple of
days.

I wonder what these parents were expecting to meet - a sweet-looking
child who would run into the arms of his "forever" parents? How can a
lifetime commitment to a child last only the time of the flight (and I
ask that having had some horrific flights home with my newly adopted
older kids).

Julia

On 25 May 2004 06:02:12 -0700, megan14r-reps@yahoo.com (megan) wrote:
I do recall vague details of a case where American adoptive parents were accused of abusing two newly adopted Russian children on a flight back to the US, but I can't recall what happened after that. Anyone know?I heard that this was a US case. An adoption health professionaldescribed it as the fastest disruption he'd ever seen. The parentscalled from the airport on arrival in US with 2 Russian kids andphoned the agency to hand the kids over.Megan

That would be right. I remember Federici at the recent adoption
conference saying a handover at an airport had been the fastest
breakdown. He said his fastest previous one had been a couple of
days.

I wonder what these parents were expecting to meet - a sweet-looking
child who would run into the arms of his "forever" parents? How can a
lifetime commitment to a child last only the time of the flight (and I
ask that having had some horrific flights home with my newly adopted
older kids).

Julia

>Subject: Re: Adoptee deaths rare, experts sayFrom: Julia jurol@nospam.hotmail.comDate: 5/25/2004 6:07 PM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <5ig7b0hd3dtl2k9g4irjvgbc76d4i20mm7@4ax.com>On 25 May 2004 06:02:12 -0700, megan14r-reps@yahoo.com (megan) wrote: I do recall vague details of a case where American adoptive parents were accused of abusing two newly adopted Russian children on a flight back to the US, but I can't recall what happened after that. Anyone know?I heard that this was a US case. An adoption health professionaldescribed it as the fastest disruption he'd ever seen. The parentscalled from the airport on arrival in US with 2 Russian kids andphoned the agency to hand the kids over.MeganThat would be right. I remember Federici at the recent adoptionconference saying a handover at an airport had been the fastestbreakdown. He said his fastest previous one had been a couple ofdays.I wonder what these parents were expecting to meet - a sweet-lookingchild who would run into the arms of his "forever" parents?

Ironically, a child who "runs into the arms of their forever parents" at
their first meeting is exhibiting signs of attachment disorder. A child who
openly and affectionately embraces brand new parents and never looks back
hasn't attached to their previous caregiver.

Dad

>Subject: Re: Adoptee deaths rare, experts sayFrom: Julia jurol@nospam.hotmail.comDate: 5/25/2004 6:07 PM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <5ig7b0hd3dtl2k9g4irjvgbc76d4i20mm7@4ax.com>On 25 May 2004 06:02:12 -0700, megan14r-reps@yahoo.com (megan) wrote: I do recall vague details of a case where American adoptive parents were accused of abusing two newly adopted Russian children on a flight back to the US, but I can't recall what happened after that. Anyone know?I heard that this was a US case. An adoption health professionaldescribed it as the fastest disruption he'd ever seen. The parentscalled from the airport on arrival in US with 2 Russian kids andphoned the agency to hand the kids over.MeganThat would be right. I remember Federici at the recent adoptionconference saying a handover at an airport had been the fastestbreakdown. He said his fastest previous one had been a couple ofdays.I wonder what these parents were expecting to meet - a sweet-lookingchild who would run into the arms of his "forever" parents?

Ironically, a child who "runs into the arms of their forever parents" at
their first meeting is exhibiting signs of attachment disorder. A child who
openly and affectionately embraces brand new parents and never looks back
hasn't attached to their previous caregiver.

Dad

I have a bit of knowledge about these issues.

There was the one case, back in 1996-1997 (can't remember exactly) when an
American couple adopted two little girls from Russia. On the plane ride
back to JFK, the couple was seen and heard yelling and screaming at the
girls. When the plane touched ground, the children were placed into foster
care in NYC. However, after a hearing, the children were given back to the
Aparents & they are allegedly living happily ever after. There was a
"Dateline" or "Prime Time Live" segment about the case back in 1998.

There have been some cases of kids adopted from Easter Europe (EE) where the
Aparents will dissolve the adoption within a month. Usually an adoptee will
not last a year in their new adoptive homes if they have attachment issues
that the Aparents were not equipped to deal with or to handle.

I have found that the people who lie the most about issues their children
are having are the Aparents themselves. I've noticed in private email
exchanges with some EE Aparents, by email #3, they're telling me their child
is exhibiting some attachment issues, behaviorial issues, on certain
medications etc.

Yet, the same Aparents, if they are on email lists, will state their
children are 100% fine, no issues, adjusting well and all the other la-la
land jargon that goes along with it.

Sadly, it's an industry feeding off itself and its lies. Aparents and PAPs
play right into it. I can't say that I havent played right into it either,
for our son does have some post-institutional issues which I do not discuss
publicly.

Some PAPs do NOT want to have their fantacy ideal about their soon to be
adopted children having issues that they cannot handle. When they attend
adoption seminars & connect with Aparents, the idea that it's happily ever
after is reinforced. When the adoption ends up in crash & burn...it comes
as a total shock to them.

I emailed the reporter who wrote about the 12 dead Russian adoptees and
asked him why he did not include the name of the adoption agencies who
placed the children. I knew some of them already. He stated there was no
column space to list them. If anybody would like to know the names of some
used, I can tell you for I was familar with some of the cases.

Dian: Sadly, BBAS is still in business owing to lax state regulations which
offer no protection to potential clients. Mix that with an owner who knows
how to bamboozle you with "your dreams will come true with a kid" when
you're at an emotionally weak time, you have some people still signing on
with them for adoptions. However, we feel our website has had some impact
on her business.

AdoptaDad: Thank you for sharing your daughter's story. I have been in
contact with other parents who have shared similar experiences. Only those
who have lived thru it can really appreciate it. You're doing a good job -
let nobody tell you otherwise.

Elizabeth Case

I have a bit of knowledge about these issues.

There was the one case, back in 1996-1997 (can't remember exactly) when an
American couple adopted two little girls from Russia. On the plane ride
back to JFK, the couple was seen and heard yelling and screaming at the
girls. When the plane touched ground, the children were placed into foster
care in NYC. However, after a hearing, the children were given back to the
Aparents & they are allegedly living happily ever after. There was a
"Dateline" or "Prime Time Live" segment about the case back in 1998.

There have been some cases of kids adopted from Easter Europe (EE) where the
Aparents will dissolve the adoption within a month. Usually an adoptee will
not last a year in their new adoptive homes if they have attachment issues
that the Aparents were not equipped to deal with or to handle.

I have found that the people who lie the most about issues their children
are having are the Aparents themselves. I've noticed in private email
exchanges with some EE Aparents, by email #3, they're telling me their child
is exhibiting some attachment issues, behaviorial issues, on certain
medications etc.

Yet, the same Aparents, if they are on email lists, will state their
children are 100% fine, no issues, adjusting well and all the other la-la
land jargon that goes along with it.

Sadly, it's an industry feeding off itself and its lies. Aparents and PAPs
play right into it. I can't say that I havent played right into it either,
for our son does have some post-institutional issues which I do not discuss
publicly.

Some PAPs do NOT want to have their fantacy ideal about their soon to be
adopted children having issues that they cannot handle. When they attend
adoption seminars & connect with Aparents, the idea that it's happily ever
after is reinforced. When the adoption ends up in crash & burn...it comes
as a total shock to them.

I emailed the reporter who wrote about the 12 dead Russian adoptees and
asked him why he did not include the name of the adoption agencies who
placed the children. I knew some of them already. He stated there was no
column space to list them. If anybody would like to know the names of some
used, I can tell you for I was familar with some of the cases.

Dian: Sadly, BBAS is still in business owing to lax state regulations which
offer no protection to potential clients. Mix that with an owner who knows
how to bamboozle you with "your dreams will come true with a kid" when
you're at an emotionally weak time, you have some people still signing on
with them for adoptions. However, we feel our website has had some impact
on her business.

AdoptaDad: Thank you for sharing your daughter's story. I have been in
contact with other parents who have shared similar experiences. Only those
who have lived thru it can really appreciate it. You're doing a good job -
let nobody tell you otherwise.

Elizabeth Case

Dad writes:
Ironically, a child who "runs into the arms of their forever parents" attheir first meeting is exhibiting signs of attachment disorder. A child whoopenly and affectionately embraces brand new parents and never looks backhasn't attached to their previous caregiver.Dad


Makes perfect sense, Dad. A child who indiscriminately displays affection is
probably lacking the normal feelings behind shows of affection. I know such a
child...a child who uses physical affection to appear charming. It is purely
an endeavor of manipulation on the part of this child. It is a sad situation.


P2P

Dad writes:
Ironically, a child who "runs into the arms of their forever parents" attheir first meeting is exhibiting signs of attachment disorder. A child whoopenly and affectionately embraces brand new parents and never looks backhasn't attached to their previous caregiver.Dad


Makes perfect sense, Dad. A child who indiscriminately displays affection is
probably lacking the normal feelings behind shows of affection. I know such a
child...a child who uses physical affection to appear charming. It is purely
an endeavor of manipulation on the part of this child. It is a sad situation.


P2P

"Elizabeth Case" <dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<aR%sc.368$aE5.34@news01.roc.ny>... I have a bit of knowledge about these issues. There was the one case, back in 1996-1997 (can't remember exactly) when an American couple adopted two little girls from Russia. On the plane ride back to JFK, the couple was seen and heard yelling and screaming at the girls. When the plane touched ground, the children were placed into foster care in NYC. However, after a hearing, the children were given back to the Aparents & they are allegedly living happily ever after. There was a "Dateline" or "Prime Time Live" segment about the case back in 1998. There have been some cases of kids adopted from Easter Europe (EE) where the Aparents will dissolve the adoption within a month. Usually an adoptee will not last a year in their new adoptive homes if they have attachment issues that the Aparents were not equipped to deal with or to handle. I have found that the people who lie the most about issues their children are having are the Aparents themselves. I've noticed in private email exchanges with some EE Aparents, by email #3, they're telling me their child is exhibiting some attachment issues, behaviorial issues, on certain medications etc. Yet, the same Aparents, if they are on email lists, will state their children are 100% fine, no issues, adjusting well and all the other la-la land jargon that goes along with it. Sadly, it's an industry feeding off itself and its lies. Aparents and PAPs play right into it. I can't say that I havent played right into it either, for our son does have some post-institutional issues which I do not discuss publicly. Some PAPs do NOT want to have their fantacy ideal about their soon to be adopted children having issues that they cannot handle. When they attend adoption seminars & connect with Aparents, the idea that it's happily ever after is reinforced. When the adoption ends up in crash & burn...it comes as a total shock to them. I emailed the reporter who wrote about the 12 dead Russian adoptees and asked him why he did not include the name of the adoption agencies who placed the children. I knew some of them already. He stated there was no column space to list them. If anybody would like to know the names of some used, I can tell you for I was familar with some of the cases. Dian: Sadly, BBAS is still in business owing to lax state regulations which offer no protection to potential clients. Mix that with an owner who knows how to bamboozle you with "your dreams will come true with a kid" when you're at an emotionally weak time, you have some people still signing on with them for adoptions. However, we feel our website has had some impact on her business.

It's obvious that those lax state regs offer no protection to the
child either, which is the greatest tragedy in all of this.

Di





AdoptaDad: Thank you for sharing your daughter's story. I have been in contact with other parents who have shared similar experiences. Only those who have lived thru it can really appreciate it. You're doing a good job - let nobody tell you otherwise. Elizabeth Case

"Elizabeth Case" <dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<aR%sc.368$aE5.34@news01.roc.ny>... I have a bit of knowledge about these issues. There was the one case, back in 1996-1997 (can't remember exactly) when an American couple adopted two little girls from Russia. On the plane ride back to JFK, the couple was seen and heard yelling and screaming at the girls. When the plane touched ground, the children were placed into foster care in NYC. However, after a hearing, the children were given back to the Aparents & they are allegedly living happily ever after. There was a "Dateline" or "Prime Time Live" segment about the case back in 1998. There have been some cases of kids adopted from Easter Europe (EE) where the Aparents will dissolve the adoption within a month. Usually an adoptee will not last a year in their new adoptive homes if they have attachment issues that the Aparents were not equipped to deal with or to handle. I have found that the people who lie the most about issues their children are having are the Aparents themselves. I've noticed in private email exchanges with some EE Aparents, by email #3, they're telling me their child is exhibiting some attachment issues, behaviorial issues, on certain medications etc. Yet, the same Aparents, if they are on email lists, will state their children are 100% fine, no issues, adjusting well and all the other la-la land jargon that goes along with it. Sadly, it's an industry feeding off itself and its lies. Aparents and PAPs play right into it. I can't say that I havent played right into it either, for our son does have some post-institutional issues which I do not discuss publicly. Some PAPs do NOT want to have their fantacy ideal about their soon to be adopted children having issues that they cannot handle. When they attend adoption seminars & connect with Aparents, the idea that it's happily ever after is reinforced. When the adoption ends up in crash & burn...it comes as a total shock to them. I emailed the reporter who wrote about the 12 dead Russian adoptees and asked him why he did not include the name of the adoption agencies who placed the children. I knew some of them already. He stated there was no column space to list them. If anybody would like to know the names of some used, I can tell you for I was familar with some of the cases. Dian: Sadly, BBAS is still in business owing to lax state regulations which offer no protection to potential clients. Mix that with an owner who knows how to bamboozle you with "your dreams will come true with a kid" when you're at an emotionally weak time, you have some people still signing on with them for adoptions. However, we feel our website has had some impact on her business.

It's obvious that those lax state regs offer no protection to the
child either, which is the greatest tragedy in all of this.

Di





AdoptaDad: Thank you for sharing your daughter's story. I have been in contact with other parents who have shared similar experiences. Only those who have lived thru it can really appreciate it. You're doing a good job - let nobody tell you otherwise. Elizabeth Case

Dian:

You've hit the nail on the head. There is one adoption agency in
Pennsylvania which was placing children from disruptions without going thru
the ICPC. Some states are so lax in their regulations, all the agencies get
is a slap on the wrist. IF the agency/agency director is shut down in one
state, they can move to another state and set up shop.

Elizabeth

Dian:

You've hit the nail on the head. There is one adoption agency in
Pennsylvania which was placing children from disruptions without going thru
the ICPC. Some states are so lax in their regulations, all the agencies get
is a slap on the wrist. IF the agency/agency director is shut down in one
state, they can move to another state and set up shop.

Elizabeth

>Subject: Re: Adoptee deaths rare, experts sayFrom: "Elizabeth Case" dancase@frontiernet.netDate: 5/27/2004 6:10 AM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <R8jtc.460$xT.229@news01.roc.ny>Dian:You've hit the nail on the head. There is one adoption agency inPennsylvania which was placing children from disruptions without going thruthe ICPC. Some states are so lax in their regulations, all the agencies getis a slap on the wrist. IF the agency/agency director is shut down in onestate, they can move to another state and set up shop.

1) What's the ICPC?

2) Care to name the Pennsylvania adoption agency?

Dad

>Subject: Re: Adoptee deaths rare, experts sayFrom: "Elizabeth Case" dancase@frontiernet.netDate: 5/27/2004 6:10 AM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <R8jtc.460$xT.229@news01.roc.ny>Dian:You've hit the nail on the head. There is one adoption agency inPennsylvania which was placing children from disruptions without going thruthe ICPC. Some states are so lax in their regulations, all the agencies getis a slap on the wrist. IF the agency/agency director is shut down in onestate, they can move to another state and set up shop.

1) What's the ICPC?

2) Care to name the Pennsylvania adoption agency?

Dad

AdoptaDad:

Sure. ICPC:

The Interstate Compact on the Placement of Children (ICPC) is a binding and
enforceable contract between two states when a child has the approval to be
placed with a family or facility in another state. The Interstate Compact
includes referrals on parents, relatives, foster parents, adoptive parents,
and residential treatment facilities. Relatives of the first degree are
excluded from the Interstate Compact if the test is met in Article VIII
(Limitations) of the law.

Persons who can initiate Interstate Compact referrals are private parties,
the court, attorneys, and private and public child welfare agencies. Under
no circumstances can a child be placed in another state without the approval
of the Interstate Compact on the Placement of Children's Office.

The adoption agency is 1st Steps out of Hawley, PA, run by Lin Strasser.
It's a very complicated case and I am in contact with a family badly hurt by
Strasser and her child placing tactics.

Elizabeth Case

AdoptaDad:

Sure. ICPC:

The Interstate Compact on the Placement of Children (ICPC) is a binding and
enforceable contract between two states when a child has the approval to be
placed with a family or facility in another state. The Interstate Compact
includes referrals on parents, relatives, foster parents, adoptive parents,
and residential treatment facilities. Relatives of the first degree are
excluded from the Interstate Compact if the test is met in Article VIII
(Limitations) of the law.

Persons who can initiate Interstate Compact referrals are private parties,
the court, attorneys, and private and public child welfare agencies. Under
no circumstances can a child be placed in another state without the approval
of the Interstate Compact on the Placement of Children's Office.

The adoption agency is 1st Steps out of Hawley, PA, run by Lin Strasser.
It's a very complicated case and I am in contact with a family badly hurt by
Strasser and her child placing tactics.

Elizabeth Case

>Subject: Re: Adoptee deaths rare, experts sayFrom: "Elizabeth Case" dancase@frontiernet.netDate: 5/27/2004 1:09 PM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <Sgptc.517$fL1.121@news01.roc.ny>AdoptaDad:Sure. ICPC:The Interstate Compact on the Placement of Children (ICPC) is a binding andenforceable contract between two states when a child has the approval to beplaced with a family or facility in another state. The Interstate Compactincludes referrals on parents, relatives, foster parents, adoptive parents,and residential treatment facilities. Relatives of the first degree areexcluded from the Interstate Compact if the test is met in Article VIII(Limitations) of the law.Persons who can initiate Interstate Compact referrals are private parties,the court, attorneys, and private and public child welfare agencies. Underno circumstances can a child be placed in another state without the approvalof the Interstate Compact on the Placement of Children's Office.

Thanks.
The adoption agency is 1st Steps out of Hawley, PA, run by Lin Strasser.It's a very complicated case and I am in contact with a family badly hurt byStrasser and her child placing tactics.

I was only curious because the agency we used (also in PA) receives a couple
of calls per month from around the country from adoptive parents looking to
disrupt adoptive placements. The greatest majority of these calls come from
parents who have adopted from Russia and Eastern Europe.

Dad

>Subject: Re: Adoptee deaths rare, experts sayFrom: "Elizabeth Case" dancase@frontiernet.netDate: 5/27/2004 1:09 PM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <Sgptc.517$fL1.121@news01.roc.ny>AdoptaDad:Sure. ICPC:The Interstate Compact on the Placement of Children (ICPC) is a binding andenforceable contract between two states when a child has the approval to beplaced with a family or facility in another state. The Interstate Compactincludes referrals on parents, relatives, foster parents, adoptive parents,and residential treatment facilities. Relatives of the first degree areexcluded from the Interstate Compact if the test is met in Article VIII(Limitations) of the law.Persons who can initiate Interstate Compact referrals are private parties,the court, attorneys, and private and public child welfare agencies. Underno circumstances can a child be placed in another state without the approvalof the Interstate Compact on the Placement of Children's Office.

Thanks.
The adoption agency is 1st Steps out of Hawley, PA, run by Lin Strasser.It's a very complicated case and I am in contact with a family badly hurt byStrasser and her child placing tactics.

I was only curious because the agency we used (also in PA) receives a couple
of calls per month from around the country from adoptive parents looking to
disrupt adoptive placements. The greatest majority of these calls come from
parents who have adopted from Russia and Eastern Europe.

Dad

AdoptaDad:

I do not doubt it.

The majority of the children Lin Strasser was trying to place were from
disrupted adoptions. Mostly from Romania, Ukraine and Russia.

Elizabeth

AdoptaDad:

I do not doubt it.

The majority of the children Lin Strasser was trying to place were from
disrupted adoptions. Mostly from Romania, Ukraine and Russia.

Elizabeth

"Elizabeth Case" <dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<R8jtc.460$xT.229@news01.roc.ny>... Dian: You've hit the nail on the head. There is one adoption agency in Pennsylvania which was placing children from disruptions without going thru the ICPC. Some states are so lax in their regulations, all the agencies get is a slap on the wrist. IF the agency/agency director is shut down in one state, they can move to another state and set up shop. Elizabeth

Some Govt accountability wouldn't go astray.

"Elizabeth Case" <dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<R8jtc.460$xT.229@news01.roc.ny>... Dian: You've hit the nail on the head. There is one adoption agency in Pennsylvania which was placing children from disruptions without going thru the ICPC. Some states are so lax in their regulations, all the agencies get is a slap on the wrist. IF the agency/agency director is shut down in one state, they can move to another state and set up shop. Elizabeth

Some Govt accountability wouldn't go astray.