Hi all.

I have heard from my friend that there was a treaty between USA and
CHINA PR involving the exemption (or reduction) of income tax for H1B
workers, for up to three years after the entering into USA. She is
currently in Louisiana and paying only 5% of her income for medical
and security insurances, no state and federal income taxes.

Is this true? Anyone has some knowledge of this?

Thanks in advance.

David.

On 16 Nov 2004 20:48:18 -0800, davige@gmail.com (David Ge) wrote:I have heard from my friend that there was a treaty between USA andCHINA PR involving the exemption (or reduction) of income tax for H1Bworkers, for up to three years after the entering into USA. She iscurrently in Louisiana and paying only 5% of her income for medicaland security insurances, no state and federal income taxes.Is this true? Anyone has some knowledge of this?

Smells like fraud to me.


--
"A society that robs an individual of the product of his
effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized
gang rule." -- Ayn Rand

David Ge wrote: Hi all. I have heard from my friend that there was a treaty between USA and CHINA PR involving the exemption (or reduction) of income tax for H1B workers, for up to three years after the entering into USA. She is currently in Louisiana and paying only 5% of her income for medical and security insurances, no state and federal income taxes. Is this true? Anyone has some knowledge of this?

Ask your friend for a reference to an official document that describes
this "treaty."

On 16 Nov 2004 20:48:18 -0800, davige@gmail.com (David Ge) wrote:
Hi all.I have heard from my friend that there was a treaty between USA andCHINA PR involving the exemption (or reduction) of income tax for H1Bworkers, for up to three years after the entering into USA. She iscurrently in Louisiana and paying only 5% of her income for medicaland security insurances, no state and federal income taxes.Is this true? Anyone has some knowledge of this?Thanks in advance.David.

The only tax treaty with China I know of is the 1984 one. That one
provides that a resident of country A, working in country B for a
company based in country A, is temporarily exempt from income tax in
country B. That temporary exemption is only good for a six month
temporary assignment, not anything like three years.

Something smells about this arrangement. H1B workers normally pay
regular taxes in the US. It is time to refer your friend to a local
immigration lawyer, tax lawyer, or both.

--
Not a lawyer,

Chris Green

Christopher Green <cj.green@att.net> wrote in message news:<rfmpp0pqlhcbkhuiei056a3gonbd6v74og@4ax.com>...
The only tax treaty with China I know of is the 1984 one. That one provides that a resident of country A, working in country B for a company based in country A, is temporarily exempt from income tax in country B. That temporary exemption is only good for a six month temporary assignment, not anything like three years. Something smells about this arrangement. H1B workers normally pay regular taxes in the US. It is time to refer your friend to a local immigration lawyer, tax lawyer, or both.

Thank you. You are really great, Mr. Green.
The only purpose of mine posting this question is trying to conduct
things legally and enjoy my right. I guess L D Jones might
misunderstand that I want to evade my responsibility. If I made
anybody impressed like this I want to say that's not true.

In article <a901453f.0411182111.9a2dddb@posting.google.com> davige@gmail.com (David Ge) wrote:Christopher Green <cj.green@att.net> wrote in message news:<rfmpp0pqlhcbkhuiei056a3gonbd6v74og@4ax.com>... The only tax treaty with China I know of is the 1984 one. That one provides that a resident of country A, working in country B for a company based in country A, is temporarily exempt from income tax in country B. That temporary exemption is only good for a six month temporary assignment, not anything like three years. Something smells about this arrangement. H1B workers normally pay regular taxes in the US. It is time to refer your friend to a local immigration lawyer, tax lawyer, or both.Thank you. You are really great, Mr. Green.The only purpose of mine posting this question is trying to conductthings legally and enjoy my right. I guess L D Jones mightmisunderstand that I want to evade my responsibility. If I madeanybody impressed like this I want to say that's not true.

Bill clinton.

--
Lady Chatterly

"I like you. fair just and witty. you should be our leader!" --
yyyiiinnnggg

David Ge wrote: Christopher Green <cj.green@att.net> wrote in message news:<rfmpp0pqlhcbkhuiei056a3gonbd6v74og@4ax.com>...The only tax treaty with China I know of is the 1984 one. That oneprovides that a resident of country A, working in country B for acompany based in country A, is temporarily exempt from income tax incountry B. That temporary exemption is only good for a six monthtemporary assignment, not anything like three years.Something smells about this arrangement. H1B workers normally payregular taxes in the US. It is time to refer your friend to a localimmigration lawyer, tax lawyer, or both. Thank you. You are really great, Mr. Green. The only purpose of mine posting this question is trying to conduct things legally and enjoy my right. I guess L D Jones might misunderstand that I want to evade my responsibility. If I made anybody impressed like this I want to say that's not true.

I did not misunderstand (in fact, I did not think enough about the
problem to come to that conclusion)

L D Jones <3432513@yahoo.de> wrote in message news:<307geuF2smvfcU1@uni-berlin.de>... David Ge wrote: Christopher Green <cj.green@att.net> wrote in message news:<rfmpp0pqlhcbkhuiei056a3gonbd6v74og@4ax.com>...
I did not misunderstand (in fact, I did not think enough about the problem to come to that conclusion)

Then that's okay. :)

Good luck.

David.

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:26:36 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
<root@localhost.>
On 16 Nov 2004 20:48:18 -0800, davige@gmail.com (David Ge) wrote:I have heard from my friend that there was a treaty between USA andCHINA PR involving the exemption (or reduction) of income tax for H1Bworkers, for up to three years after the entering into USA. She iscurrently in Louisiana and paying only 5% of her income for medicaland security insurances, no state and federal income taxes.Is this true? Anyone has some knowledge of this?Smells like fraud to me.


The whole H1-B system is a fraud. It was corporate welfare in the form
of cheap labor from 3rd world countries and unemployed American
citizens.
--
There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:22:05 GMT, Christopher Green <cj.green@att.net>
Something smells about this arrangement. H1B workers normally payregular taxes in the US.

I'm sure they're required to, but how often does it actually happen?

About as often as they're paid a competitive wage and there really are
not any American citizens or even resident aliens who can perform the
job?



It is time to refer your friend to a localimmigration lawyer, tax lawyer, or both.

It is time to abolish the H1-B visa program as well as the J-1 (slave
labor) program, both of which put Americans out of work.
--
There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:40:57 -0700, Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known>
wrote:On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:22:05 GMT, Christopher Green <cj.green@att.net>Something smells about this arrangement. H1B workers normally payregular taxes in the US.I'm sure they're required to, but how often does it actually happen?

It happens all the time.
About as often as they're paid a competitive wage and there really arenot any American citizens or even resident aliens who can perform thejob?

You need more than a body to perform a job. You also need a brain.
It is time to refer your friend to a localimmigration lawyer, tax lawyer, or both.It is time to abolish the H1-B visa program as well as the J-1 (slavelabor) program, both of which put Americans out of work.

Afraid of competition, huh?



--
"A society that robs an individual of the product of his
effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized
gang rule." -- Ayn Rand

Mike Z. Helm wrote on 11/20/2004 19:40: On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:22:05 GMT, Christopher Green <cj.green@att.net>Something smells about this arrangement. H1B workers normally payregular taxes in the US. I'm sure they're required to, but how often does it actually happen?

Always. The IRS has sharp teeth.
It is time to abolish the H1-B visa program as well as the J-1 (slave labor) program, both of which put Americans out of work.

Yet another clueless troll.
PLONK!

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 05:46:33 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
<root@localhost.>
About as often as they're paid a competitive wage and there really arenot any American citizens or even resident aliens who can perform thejob?You need more than a body to perform a job. You also need a brain.

Apparently not - I've seen brainless H1-B workers replace American
workers for much less pay.
It is time to refer your friend to a localimmigration lawyer, tax lawyer, or both.It is time to abolish the H1-B visa program as well as the J-1 (slavelabor) program, both of which put Americans out of work.Afraid of competition, huh?


--
There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known>
wrote:On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 05:46:33 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease<root@localhost.>About as often as they're paid a competitive wage and there really arenot any American citizens or even resident aliens who can perform thejob?You need more than a body to perform a job. You also need a brain.Apparently not - I've seen brainless H1-B workers replace Americanworkers for much less pay.

Do you think the company benefited in the exchange?



--
"A society that robs an individual of the product of his
effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized
gang rule." -- Ayn Rand

Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known> wrote in message news:<kd30q052s3gtk24oc6s3knro9plnps1hfi@4ax.com>... On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:22:05 GMT, Christopher Green <cj.green@att.net>Something smells about this arrangement. H1B workers normally payregular taxes in the US. I'm sure they're required to, but how often does it actually happen? About as often as they're paid a competitive wage and there really are not any American citizens or even resident aliens who can perform the job?

Apparently you have little knowledge about this situation. Do some
research. You know how long take my employer to recruit me？
One year. They must prove they cannot find a qualified American who
would do this job. All the H1B workers are doing difficult or
extremely-repetitive job that Americans either can not do or would not
do. All my H1B friends are paying high taxs except this
one in Louisiana so I feel confused.

If you think this situation is not fair to American workers, show
people your figures and evidence.

The only reason for the strength of US is her brave nature of
immigration and competition. You think otherwise then you were washed
out.

Good luck.

David.

It is time to refer your friend to a localimmigration lawyer, tax lawyer, or both. It is time to abolish the H1-B visa program as well as the J-1 (slave labor) program, both of which put Americans out of work.

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:47:25 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
<root@localhost.> wrote:
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known>wrote:On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 05:46:33 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease<root@localhost.>>About as often as they're paid a competitive wage and there really are>not any American citizens or even resident aliens who can perform the>job?>You need more than a body to perform a job. You also need a brain.Apparently not - I've seen brainless H1-B workers replace Americanworkers for much less pay.Do you think the company benefited in the exchange?


The company? Lower wages = higher profits.

The US as a whole? Definitely not.

On 21 Nov 2004 17:20:31 -0800, davige@gmail.com (David Ge) wrote:
Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known> wrote in message news:<kd30q052s3gtk24oc6s3knro9plnps1hfi@4ax.com>... On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:22:05 GMT, Christopher Green <cj.green@att.net>Something smells about this arrangement. H1B workers normally payregular taxes in the US. I'm sure they're required to, but how often does it actually happen? About as often as they're paid a competitive wage and there really are not any American citizens or even resident aliens who can perform the job?Apparently you have little knowledge about this situation. Do someresearch. You know how long take my employer to recruit me？One year. They must prove they cannot find a qualified American whowould do this job. All the H1B workers are doing difficult orextremely-repetitive job that Americans either can not do or would notdo. All my H1B friends are paying high taxs except thisone in Louisiana so I feel confused.


The H1-B process requires no proof that an American can't be found. It
requires that the employer pay the H1-B US wages which is simple to
evade. See http://www.usaindians.com/immigration/h1bvisa.htm for the
process.
If you think this situation is not fair to American workers, showpeople your figures and evidence.

Look at borjas.com for several studies of the effects of immigration
on earnings.The only reason for the strength of US is her brave nature ofimmigration and competition. You think otherwise then you were washedout.

Or at least underbid.Good luck.David. It is time to refer your friend to a localimmigration lawyer, tax lawyer, or both. It is time to abolish the H1-B visa program as well as the J-1 (slave labor) program, both of which put Americans out of work.

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:16:59 -0500, Oliver Costich
<olc-caNOSPAM@cox.net> wrote:On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:47:25 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease<root@localhost.> wrote:On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known>wrote:On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 05:46:33 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease<root@localhost.>>>About as often as they're paid a competitive wage and there really are>>not any American citizens or even resident aliens who can perform the>>job?>>>>You need more than a body to perform a job. You also need a brain.>Apparently not - I've seen brainless H1-B workers replace Americanworkers for much less pay.Do you think the company benefited in the exchange?The company? Lower wages = higher profits.

I guess the shareholders benefited then, no?
The US as a whole? Definitely not.

Why not?


--
"A society that robs an individual of the product of his
effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized
gang rule." -- Ayn Rand

Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known> wrote in message news:<kd30q052s3gtk24oc6s3knro9plnps1hfi@4ax.com>... On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:22:05 GMT, Christopher Green <cj.green@att.net>H1B workers normally pay regular taxes in the US. I'm sure they're required to, but how often does it actually happen?

About as often as it does among the whole set of people who are
required to pay regular taxes to the US.
About as often as they're paid a competitive wage and there really are not any American citizens or even resident aliens who can perform the job?

Roughly, yes, though probably even more often than that.
It is time to abolish the H1-B visa program as well as the J-1 (slave labor) program, both of which put Americans out of work.

It's time to enforce the rules of the H-1B program; that would
prevent what abuse there is.

Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known> wrote in message news:<ol91q0tiuvt66u6a5sgg3hup02adh07vrs@4ax.com>... I've seen brainless H1-B workers replace American workers for much less pay.

That's illegal; did you report it?

Oliver Costich wrote on 11/22/2004 14:22: Look at borjas.com for several studies of the effects of immigration on earnings.

These are essentially about the effects of unqualified labor. H1s are
given to college graduates. Quite the opposite of unqualified labor...

-Joe

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:47:25 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
<root@localhost.>
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known>wrote:On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 05:46:33 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease<root@localhost.>>About as often as they're paid a competitive wage and there really are>not any American citizens or even resident aliens who can perform the>job?>You need more than a body to perform a job. You also need a brain.Apparently not - I've seen brainless H1-B workers replace Americanworkers for much less pay.Do you think the company benefited in the exchange?

They thought they were at the time, but they were ultimately reduced to
a shell of their former self.

I thought the 7-for-1 reverse stock split they implemented less than a
year before being delisted from NASDAQ was very amusing.
--
There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:32:06 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
<root@localhost.>
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:16:59 -0500, Oliver Costich<olc-caNOSPAM@cox.net> wrote:On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:47:25 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease<root@localhost.> wrote:On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known>wrote:>>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 05:46:33 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease><root@localhost.>>>>>About as often as they're paid a competitive wage and there really are>>>not any American citizens or even resident aliens who can perform the>>>job?>>>>>>>You need more than a body to perform a job. You also need a brain.>>>>Apparently not - I've seen brainless H1-B workers replace American>workers for much less pay.>Do you think the company benefited in the exchange?The company? Lower wages = higher profits.I guess the shareholders benefited then, no?

No, actually, the shareholders - if they held onto their stock watched
the price fall from $20 a share to about a nickel.
The US as a whole? Definitely not.Why not?

--
There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday

On 22 Nov 2004 15:43:20 -0800, jjf@bcs.org.uk (J. J. Farrell)
Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known> wrote in message news:<kd30q052s3gtk24oc6s3knro9plnps1hfi@4ax.com>... On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:22:05 GMT, Christopher Green <cj.green@att.net>H1B workers normally pay regular taxes in the US. I'm sure they're required to, but how often does it actually happen?About as often as it does among the whole set of people who arerequired to pay regular taxes to the US. About as often as they're paid a competitive wage and there really are not any American citizens or even resident aliens who can perform the job?Roughly, yes, though probably even more often than that. It is time to abolish the H1-B visa program as well as the J-1 (slave labor) program, both of which put Americans out of work.It's time to enforce the rules of the H-1B program; that wouldprevent what abuse there is.

I'd be perfectly happy with that.
--
There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:53:12 -0700, Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known>
wrote:Apparently not - I've seen brainless H1-B workers replace Americanworkers for much less pay.Do you think the company benefited in the exchange?They thought they were at the time, but they were ultimately reduced toa shell of their former self.

So, they acted against their own best interests and got screwed. Or
maybe they decided to hire the brainless people as a last resort. In
any case, American workers obviously didn't miss too much.



--
"A society that robs an individual of the product of his
effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized
gang rule." -- Ayn Rand

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:54:40 -0700, Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known>
wrote:On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:32:06 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease<root@localhost.>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:16:59 -0500, Oliver Costich<olc-caNOSPAM@cox.net> wrote:On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:47:25 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease<root@localhost.> wrote:>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known>>wrote:>>>>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 05:46:33 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease>><root@localhost.>>>>>>>About as often as they're paid a competitive wage and there really are>>>>not any American citizens or even resident aliens who can perform the>>>>job?>>>>>>>>>>You need more than a body to perform a job. You also need a brain.>>>>>>>Apparently not - I've seen brainless H1-B workers replace American>>workers for much less pay.>>>>Do you think the company benefited in the exchange?The company? Lower wages = higher profits.I guess the shareholders benefited then, no?No, actually, the shareholders - if they held onto their stock watchedthe price fall from $20 a share to about a nickel.

I guess the "higher profits" thing was a bad assumption on the part of
Oliver, then. That company was already moribund. It appears to me the
hiring of H1-B's was a last desperate attempt to turn things around.
You didn't miss much.



--
"A society that robs an individual of the product of his
effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized
gang rule." -- Ayn Rand

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:32:06 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
<root@localhost.> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:16:59 -0500, Oliver Costich<olc-caNOSPAM@cox.net> wrote:On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:47:25 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease<root@localhost.> wrote:On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known>wrote:>>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 05:46:33 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease><root@localhost.>>>>>About as often as they're paid a competitive wage and there really are>>>not any American citizens or even resident aliens who can perform the>>>job?>>>>>>>You need more than a body to perform a job. You also need a brain.>>>>Apparently not - I've seen brainless H1-B workers replace American>workers for much less pay.>Do you think the company benefited in the exchange?The company? Lower wages = higher profits.I guess the shareholders benefited then, no?

Some, but not as much as you might expect. Corporate officers, yes.
The US as a whole? Definitely not.Why not?

Because the benefits in profit, however distributed, do not exceed the
social costs to the taxpayers. Since you admittedly don't know the
numbers, you might want to do some homework.

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:36:33 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease
<root@localhost.> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:54:40 -0700, Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known>wrote:On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:32:06 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease<root@localhost.>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:16:59 -0500, Oliver Costich<olc-caNOSPAM@cox.net> wrote:>>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:47:25 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease><root@localhost.> wrote:>>>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known>>>wrote:>>>>>>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 05:46:33 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease>>><root@localhost.>>>>>>>>>About as often as they're paid a competitive wage and there really are>>>>>not any American citizens or even resident aliens who can perform the>>>>>job?>>>>>>>>>>>>>You need more than a body to perform a job. You also need a brain.>>>>>>>>>>Apparently not - I've seen brainless H1-B workers replace American>>>workers for much less pay.>>>>>>>Do you think the company benefited in the exchange?>>>The company? Lower wages = higher profits.>I guess the shareholders benefited then, no?No, actually, the shareholders - if they held onto their stock watchedthe price fall from $20 a share to about a nickel.I guess the "higher profits" thing was a bad assumption on the part ofOliver, then. That company was already moribund. It appears to me thehiring of H1-B's was a last desperate attempt to turn things around.You didn't miss much.


Obviously, all things else being equal, lower labor cost gives higher
profits (unless all savings are passed to consumers - that'll happen).

On 22 Nov 2004 15:45:40 -0800, jjf@bcs.org.uk (J. J. Farrell) wrote:
Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known> wrote in message news:<ol91q0tiuvt66u6a5sgg3hup02adh07vrs@4ax.com>... I've seen brainless H1-B workers replace American workers for much less pay.That's illegal; did you report it?

No it's not illegal. You can hire an H1B for less than you can hire an
American in most cases. Read the H1B program requirements.

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:30:11 -0800, Joachim Feise <me@privacy.net>
wrote:
Oliver Costich wrote on 11/22/2004 14:22: Look at borjas.com for several studies of the effects of immigration on earnings.These are essentially about the effects of unqualified labor. H1s aregiven to college graduates. Quite the opposite of unqualified labor...-Joe
It's about substitution of US citizens labor by imported labor.

On 22 Nov 2004 15:43:20 -0800, jjf@bcs.org.uk (J. J. Farrell) wrote:
Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known> wrote in message news:<kd30q052s3gtk24oc6s3knro9plnps1hfi@4ax.com>... On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:22:05 GMT, Christopher Green <cj.green@att.net>H1B workers normally pay regular taxes in the US. I'm sure they're required to, but how often does it actually happen?About as often as it does among the whole set of people who arerequired to pay regular taxes to the US. About as often as they're paid a competitive wage and there really are not any American citizens or even resident aliens who can perform the job?Roughly, yes, though probably even more often than that.

Not necessarily. H1B salaries are gerrymandered.
It is time to abolish the H1-B visa program as well as the J-1 (slave labor) program, both of which put Americans out of work.It's time to enforce the rules of the H-1B program; that wouldprevent what abuse there is.


Yes, it's time to require hard evidence that no American is capable of
the work, not just that they won't work cheap enough.

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:37:14 -0500, Oliver Costich
<olc-caNOSPAM@cox.net> wrote:I guess the shareholders benefited then, no?Some, but not as much as you might expect. Corporate officers, yes.

Well, that's an issue for the shareholders to address with the Board
of Directors.
The US as a whole? Definitely not.Why not?Because the benefits in profit, however distributed, do not exceed thesocial costs to the taxpayers. Since you admittedly don't know thenumbers, you might want to do some homework.

"Social costs to taxpayers" exist because of socialism, not because of
H1-B's.


--
"A society that robs an individual of the product of his
effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized
gang rule." -- Ayn Rand

Oliver Costich wrote on 11/23/2004 12:42: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:30:11 -0800, Joachim Feise <me@privacy.net> wrote:Oliver Costich wrote on 11/22/2004 14:22:Look at borjas.com for several studies of the effects of immigrationon earnings.These are essentially about the effects of unqualified labor. H1s aregiven to college graduates. Quite the opposite of unqualified labor...-Joe It's about substitution of US citizens labor by imported labor.

No serious study would look at that in the general way you suggest.
And Borjas of course knows that, and you obviously not.
Borjas shows that there is a big difference in the effects of imported
unqualified labor and imported qualified labor.
I suggest you read Borjas a bit more carefully...

-Joe