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Adoptive parents get nervous May 13 2004

By James Ferguson


A BRACKNELL mum who adopted four children fears that a new law has taken away
her rights and could discourage people from adopting in future.

Pat Caffell, of Deepfield Road, has three sons and a daughter, now grown up,
who she adopted when they were babies.

All four were brought up in Bracknell knowing they were adopted and still live
in the area.

Under the new law announced last month, a birth parent will be actively helped
to find children they have given up for adoption once they are over 18 and an
agency set up to help them.

Pat, 65, said she adopted the children on the understanding they were hers to
look after.

She said: "I don't blame their mothers because I know that in the 50s and 60s
it was very difficult bringing a child up on your own. Nobody gives up their
child without a lot of soul searching and heartbreak."

The law comes into effect in September 2005 when adoptions between 1926 and
1975 start being processed, including Pat's children.

Anyone who is traced will still have the right to stop their details being
passed to their birth parent.

Pat said: "Any child has a legal, moral and ethical right to trace their birth
parents. "No one has a problem with that, but this new legislation reverses
that process.

"We brought our family up with the knowledge that the courts afforded us the
protection and security to do just that. They have now taken that away in a
stroke."

Pat said she worries people will be put off adopting now there is less security
for the adoptive parents, leaving children to stay in a succession of foster
homes.

But Felicity Collier of the British Association for Adoption and Fostering
said: "Thousands of birth parents have waited years to explain to the children
they gave up why they made this decision, and to gain reassurance that their
children are alive and well.

"All evidence shows that if there are good family relationships between adopted
adults and their adoptive parents, contact with birth parents does not
jeopardise the relationship."




-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

>Subject: Adoptive parents get nervousFrom: lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn)Date: 5/13/2004 10:23 AM Eastern Daylight TimeMessage-id: <20040513102337.23183.00000942@mb-m24.aol.com>http://icberkshire.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0400bracknell/tm_objectid=14236845&method=full&siteid=50102&headline=adoptive-parents-get-nervous-name_page.htmlAdoptive parents get nervous May 13 2004By James FergusonA BRACKNELL mum who adopted four children fears that a new law hastaken away her rights and could discourage people from adopting in future.Pat Caffell, of Deepfield Road, has three sons and a daughter, now grown up,who she adopted when they were babies.All four were brought up in Bracknell knowing they were adopted and stilllive in the area.Under the new law announced last month, a birth parent will be actively helpedto find children they have given up for adoption once they are over 18 and anagency set up to help them.Pat, 65, said she adopted the children on the understanding they were hers tolook after.

Yes, they were "hers to look after." So friggin' what?
She said: "I don't blame their mothers because I know that in the 50s and 60sit was very difficult bringing a child up on your own. Nobody gives up theirchild without a lot of soul searching and heartbreak."The law comes into effect in September 2005 when adoptions between 1926 and1975 start being processed, including Pat's children.Anyone who is traced will still have the right to stop their details beingpassed to their birth parent.Pat said: "Any child has a legal, moral and ethical right to trace theirbirth parents. "No one has a problem with that, but this new legislationreverses that process."We brought our family up with the knowledge that the courts afforded us theprotection and security to do just that. They have now taken that away in astroke."

Whoop dee doo.
Pat said she worries people will be put off adopting now there is lesssecurity for the adoptive parents,

Mine. Mine. Mine. Mine.
leaving children to stay in a succession of foster homes.

This statement pisses me off the most. It's touching to know how deeply
Mrs. Caffell feels for those kids in foster care, given that she adopted four
babies, after all.
But Felicity Collier of the British Association for Adoption and Fosteringsaid: "Thousands of birth parents have waited years to explain to thechildren they gave up why they made this decision, and to gain reassurancethat their children are alive and well.

They should have that chance, provided the adult adoptee agrees.
"All evidence shows that if there are good family relationships betweenadopted adults and their adoptive parents, contact with birth parents does notjeopardise the relationship."

Bingo.

Dad

>Subject: Adoptive parents get nervousFrom: lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn)Date: 5/13/2004 10:23 AM Eastern Daylight TimeMessage-id: <20040513102337.23183.00000942@mb-m24.aol.com>http://icberkshire.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0400bracknell/tm_objectid=14236845&method=full&siteid=50102&headline=adoptive-parents-get-nervous-name_page.htmlAdoptive parents get nervous May 13 2004By James FergusonA BRACKNELL mum who adopted four children fears that a new law hastaken away her rights and could discourage people from adopting in future.Pat Caffell, of Deepfield Road, has three sons and a daughter, now grown up,who she adopted when they were babies.All four were brought up in Bracknell knowing they were adopted and stilllive in the area.Under the new law announced last month, a birth parent will be actively helpedto find children they have given up for adoption once they are over 18 and anagency set up to help them.Pat, 65, said she adopted the children on the understanding they were hers tolook after.

Yes, they were "hers to look after." So friggin' what?
She said: "I don't blame their mothers because I know that in the 50s and 60sit was very difficult bringing a child up on your own. Nobody gives up theirchild without a lot of soul searching and heartbreak."The law comes into effect in September 2005 when adoptions between 1926 and1975 start being processed, including Pat's children.Anyone who is traced will still have the right to stop their details beingpassed to their birth parent.Pat said: "Any child has a legal, moral and ethical right to trace theirbirth parents. "No one has a problem with that, but this new legislationreverses that process."We brought our family up with the knowledge that the courts afforded us theprotection and security to do just that. They have now taken that away in astroke."

Whoop dee doo.
Pat said she worries people will be put off adopting now there is lesssecurity for the adoptive parents,

Mine. Mine. Mine. Mine.
leaving children to stay in a succession of foster homes.

This statement pisses me off the most. It's touching to know how deeply
Mrs. Caffell feels for those kids in foster care, given that she adopted four
babies, after all.
But Felicity Collier of the British Association for Adoption and Fosteringsaid: "Thousands of birth parents have waited years to explain to thechildren they gave up why they made this decision, and to gain reassurancethat their children are alive and well.

They should have that chance, provided the adult adoptee agrees.
"All evidence shows that if there are good family relationships betweenadopted adults and their adoptive parents, contact with birth parents does notjeopardise the relationship."

Bingo.

Dad

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This is my favourite part: Pat, 65, said she adopted the children on the understanding they were hers
to look after.

I guess her adoptees are so incompetent and lazy 30 years later that they
still need looking after.

What a wanking entitlement moo.

Marley

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This is my favourite part: Pat, 65, said she adopted the children on the understanding they were hers
to look after.

I guess her adoptees are so incompetent and lazy 30 years later that they
still need looking after.

What a wanking entitlement moo.

Marley

>Subject: Re: Adoptive parents get nervousFrom: adoptadad@aol.com (AdoptaDad)Date: 5/13/2004 8:02 AM Pacific Daylight TimeMessage-id: <20040513110212.11161.00001299@mb-m14.aol.com>Subject: Adoptive parents get nervousFrom: lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn)Date: 5/13/2004 10:23 AM Eastern Daylight TimeMessage-id: <20040513102337.23183.00000942@mb-m24.aol.com>http://icberkshire.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0400bracknell/tm_objectid=14236845&method=full&siteid=50102&headline=adoptive-parents-get-nervous-name_page.htmlAdoptive parents get nervous May 13 2004By James FergusonA BRACKNELL mum who adopted four children fears that a new law hastaken away her rights and could discourage people from adopting in future.Pat Caffell, of Deepfield Road, has three sons and a daughter, now grown up,who she adopted when they were babies.All four were brought up in Bracknell knowing they were adopted and stilllive in the area.Under the new law announced last month, a birth parent will be activelyhelpedto find children they have given up for adoption once they are over 18 andanagency set up to help them.Pat, 65, said she adopted the children on the understanding they were herstolook after. Yes, they were "hers to look after." So friggin' what?She said: "I don't blame their mothers because I know that in the 50s and60sit was very difficult bringing a child up on your own. Nobody gives up theirchild without a lot of soul searching and heartbreak."The law comes into effect in September 2005 when adoptions between 1926 and1975 start being processed, including Pat's children.Anyone who is traced will still have the right to stop their details beingpassed to their birth parent.Pat said: "Any child has a legal, moral and ethical right to trace theirbirth parents. "No one has a problem with that, but this new legislationreverses that process."We brought our family up with the knowledge that the courts afforded us theprotection and security to do just that. They have now taken that away in astroke." Whoop dee doo.Pat said she worries people will be put off adopting now there is lesssecurity for the adoptive parents, Mine. Mine. Mine. Mine.leaving children to stay in a succession of foster homes. This statement pisses me off the most. It's touching to know how deeplyMrs. Caffell feels for those kids in foster care, given that she adopted fourbabies, after all.But Felicity Collier of the British Association for Adoption and Fosteringsaid: "Thousands of birth parents have waited years to explain to thechildren they gave up why they made this decision, and to gain reassurancethat their children are alive and well. They should have that chance, provided the adult adoptee agrees."All evidence shows that if there are good family relationships betweenadopted adults and their adoptive parents, contact with birth parents doesnotjeopardise the relationship." Bingo.Dad
YEAH! What Dad said. Disgusting that a woman doesn't have enough faith in the
love of her GROWN sons and daughters to welcome their birth parents into their
lives. I'm SO glad my parents don't feel this way!
Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine
Baltimore, Here I come

>Subject: Re: Adoptive parents get nervousFrom: adoptadad@aol.com (AdoptaDad)Date: 5/13/2004 8:02 AM Pacific Daylight TimeMessage-id: <20040513110212.11161.00001299@mb-m14.aol.com>Subject: Adoptive parents get nervousFrom: lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn)Date: 5/13/2004 10:23 AM Eastern Daylight TimeMessage-id: <20040513102337.23183.00000942@mb-m24.aol.com>http://icberkshire.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0400bracknell/tm_objectid=14236845&method=full&siteid=50102&headline=adoptive-parents-get-nervous-name_page.htmlAdoptive parents get nervous May 13 2004By James FergusonA BRACKNELL mum who adopted four children fears that a new law hastaken away her rights and could discourage people from adopting in future.Pat Caffell, of Deepfield Road, has three sons and a daughter, now grown up,who she adopted when they were babies.All four were brought up in Bracknell knowing they were adopted and stilllive in the area.Under the new law announced last month, a birth parent will be activelyhelpedto find children they have given up for adoption once they are over 18 andanagency set up to help them.Pat, 65, said she adopted the children on the understanding they were herstolook after. Yes, they were "hers to look after." So friggin' what?She said: "I don't blame their mothers because I know that in the 50s and60sit was very difficult bringing a child up on your own. Nobody gives up theirchild without a lot of soul searching and heartbreak."The law comes into effect in September 2005 when adoptions between 1926 and1975 start being processed, including Pat's children.Anyone who is traced will still have the right to stop their details beingpassed to their birth parent.Pat said: "Any child has a legal, moral and ethical right to trace theirbirth parents. "No one has a problem with that, but this new legislationreverses that process."We brought our family up with the knowledge that the courts afforded us theprotection and security to do just that. They have now taken that away in astroke." Whoop dee doo.Pat said she worries people will be put off adopting now there is lesssecurity for the adoptive parents, Mine. Mine. Mine. Mine.leaving children to stay in a succession of foster homes. This statement pisses me off the most. It's touching to know how deeplyMrs. Caffell feels for those kids in foster care, given that she adopted fourbabies, after all.But Felicity Collier of the British Association for Adoption and Fosteringsaid: "Thousands of birth parents have waited years to explain to thechildren they gave up why they made this decision, and to gain reassurancethat their children are alive and well. They should have that chance, provided the adult adoptee agrees."All evidence shows that if there are good family relationships betweenadopted adults and their adoptive parents, contact with birth parents doesnotjeopardise the relationship." Bingo.Dad
YEAH! What Dad said. Disgusting that a woman doesn't have enough faith in the
love of her GROWN sons and daughters to welcome their birth parents into their
lives. I'm SO glad my parents don't feel this way!
Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine
Baltimore, Here I come

lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn) wrote in message news:<20040513102337.23183.00000942@mb-m24.aol.com>... http://icberkshire.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0400bracknell/tm_objectid=1423 6845&method=full&siteid=50102&headline=adoptive-parents-get-nervous-name_p age.html Adoptive parents get nervous May 13 2004 By James Ferguson A BRACKNELL mum who adopted four children fears that a new law has taken away her rights and could discourage people from adopting in future. Pat Caffell, of Deepfield Road, has three sons and a daughter, now grown up, who she adopted when they were babies. All four were brought up in Bracknell knowing they were adopted and still live in the area. Under the new law announced last month, a birth parent will be actively helped to find children they have given up for adoption once they are over 18 and an agency set up to help them. Pat, 65, said she adopted the children on the understanding they were hers to look after. She said: "I don't blame their mothers because I know that in the 50s and 60s it was very difficult bringing a child up on your own. Nobody gives up their child without a lot of soul searching and heartbreak." The law comes into effect in September 2005 when adoptions between 1926 and 1975 start being processed, including Pat's children. Anyone who is traced will still have the right to stop their details being passed to their birth parent. Pat said: "Any child has a legal, moral and ethical right to trace their birth parents. "No one has a problem with that, but this new legislation reverses that process. "We brought our family up with the knowledge that the courts afforded us the protection and security to do just that. They have now taken that away in a stroke." Pat said she worries people will be put off adopting now there is less security for the adoptive parents, leaving children to stay in a succession of foster homes. But Felicity Collier of the British Association for Adoption and Fostering said: "Thousands of birth parents have waited years to explain to the children they gave up why they made this decision, and to gain reassurance that their children are alive and well. "All evidence shows that if there are good family relationships between adopted adults and their adoptive parents, contact with birth parents does not jeopardise the relationship."



Silly insecure controlling old bat.




Rh. ------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown

lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn) wrote in message news:<20040513102337.23183.00000942@mb-m24.aol.com>... http://icberkshire.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0400bracknell/tm_objectid=1423 6845&method=full&siteid=50102&headline=adoptive-parents-get-nervous-name_p age.html Adoptive parents get nervous May 13 2004 By James Ferguson A BRACKNELL mum who adopted four children fears that a new law has taken away her rights and could discourage people from adopting in future. Pat Caffell, of Deepfield Road, has three sons and a daughter, now grown up, who she adopted when they were babies. All four were brought up in Bracknell knowing they were adopted and still live in the area. Under the new law announced last month, a birth parent will be actively helped to find children they have given up for adoption once they are over 18 and an agency set up to help them. Pat, 65, said she adopted the children on the understanding they were hers to look after. She said: "I don't blame their mothers because I know that in the 50s and 60s it was very difficult bringing a child up on your own. Nobody gives up their child without a lot of soul searching and heartbreak." The law comes into effect in September 2005 when adoptions between 1926 and 1975 start being processed, including Pat's children. Anyone who is traced will still have the right to stop their details being passed to their birth parent. Pat said: "Any child has a legal, moral and ethical right to trace their birth parents. "No one has a problem with that, but this new legislation reverses that process. "We brought our family up with the knowledge that the courts afforded us the protection and security to do just that. They have now taken that away in a stroke." Pat said she worries people will be put off adopting now there is less security for the adoptive parents, leaving children to stay in a succession of foster homes. But Felicity Collier of the British Association for Adoption and Fostering said: "Thousands of birth parents have waited years to explain to the children they gave up why they made this decision, and to gain reassurance that their children are alive and well. "All evidence shows that if there are good family relationships between adopted adults and their adoptive parents, contact with birth parents does not jeopardise the relationship."



Silly insecure controlling old bat.




Rh. ------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown

>> "We brought our family up with the knowledge that the courts afforded usthe protection and security to do just that. They have now taken that away in a stroke.">>

Taken away what? I wish someone would ask this woman what scares her.


P2P

>> "We brought our family up with the knowledge that the courts afforded usthe protection and security to do just that. They have now taken that away in a stroke.">>

Taken away what? I wish someone would ask this woman what scares her.


P2P

In response to some drivel in a British tabloid arsewipe from Trinity Mirror
Plc the group which also brought you the fake Iraqi torture photographs,

http://icberkshire.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0400bracknell/tm_objectid=1423
6845&method=full&siteid=50102&headline=adoptive-parents-get-nervous-name_p
age.html
"We brought our family up with the knowledge that the courts afforded us the protection and security to do just that. They have now taken that away in a stroke."

Palms wrote:
Taken away what? I wish someone would ask this woman what scares her. P2P


What scares her is a bunch of arsehats in the British tabloid press, who
haves been reporting absolute drivel about a law which was announced not
last month but nearly two years ago. One has to wonder what exactly is their
motive and who is prompting them to do so. It all has echoes of 1975, when
some very dirty politics were taking place around adoptee access to OBCs.
Has anyone checked to see if Bill Pearce's ghost is haunting it's usual
venues?

My advice to her would be to use newspapers like those in the Trinity Mirror
Plc group to wipe her arse with instead of reading them, could save her both
money and distress.


Resent press coverage in the quality press makes it clear enough that we are
currently undergoing a period consultation about how new access to
information laws should be implemented. The reality is that anyone who does
not wish to be contacted by birth family will be afforded far greater
protection against that than ever before. Some might say it is being
ridiculously over regulated.

And if she wants to have her say in the consultation, DfES the department
with ministerial responsibility for adoption says;

'.... we welcome the written comments of any person with an
interest in adoption and guarantee that all written responses will be
carefully considered before the regulations and guidance are finalised. We
are also looking at developing more detailed good practice guidance before
the regulations come into force in September 2005 and this may present
further opportunities for service users to contribute....'

The consultation document is available on-line at
http://www.children.doh.gov.uk/adoption. It is also available on the DfES'
e-consultation system. This allows users to view the document on screen and
to provide written comments/feedback on-line. This site can be accessed at
http://www.dfes.gov.uk/consultations

She would be far better of saving her opinions for the consultation than
spreading them over some piece of provincial tabloid arsewipe.

And of course by having, '...Pat Caffell, of Deepfield Road, has three sons
and a daughter, now grown up, who she adopted when they were babies...'
printed in a newspaper, and placed on line for anyone to read she has made
her adoptees much more easy to find than they previously were!



Robin Harritt

http://harritt.net

In response to some drivel in a British tabloid arsewipe from Trinity Mirror
Plc the group which also brought you the fake Iraqi torture photographs,

http://icberkshire.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0400bracknell/tm_objectid=1423
6845&method=full&siteid=50102&headline=adoptive-parents-get-nervous-name_p
age.html
"We brought our family up with the knowledge that the courts afforded us the protection and security to do just that. They have now taken that away in a stroke."

Palms wrote:
Taken away what? I wish someone would ask this woman what scares her. P2P


What scares her is a bunch of arsehats in the British tabloid press, who
haves been reporting absolute drivel about a law which was announced not
last month but nearly two years ago. One has to wonder what exactly is their
motive and who is prompting them to do so. It all has echoes of 1975, when
some very dirty politics were taking place around adoptee access to OBCs.
Has anyone checked to see if Bill Pearce's ghost is haunting it's usual
venues?

My advice to her would be to use newspapers like those in the Trinity Mirror
Plc group to wipe her arse with instead of reading them, could save her both
money and distress.


Resent press coverage in the quality press makes it clear enough that we are
currently undergoing a period consultation about how new access to
information laws should be implemented. The reality is that anyone who does
not wish to be contacted by birth family will be afforded far greater
protection against that than ever before. Some might say it is being
ridiculously over regulated.

And if she wants to have her say in the consultation, DfES the department
with ministerial responsibility for adoption says;

'.... we welcome the written comments of any person with an
interest in adoption and guarantee that all written responses will be
carefully considered before the regulations and guidance are finalised. We
are also looking at developing more detailed good practice guidance before
the regulations come into force in September 2005 and this may present
further opportunities for service users to contribute....'

The consultation document is available on-line at
http://www.children.doh.gov.uk/adoption. It is also available on the DfES'
e-consultation system. This allows users to view the document on screen and
to provide written comments/feedback on-line. This site can be accessed at
http://www.dfes.gov.uk/consultations

She would be far better of saving her opinions for the consultation than
spreading them over some piece of provincial tabloid arsewipe.

And of course by having, '...Pat Caffell, of Deepfield Road, has three sons
and a daughter, now grown up, who she adopted when they were babies...'
printed in a newspaper, and placed on line for anyone to read she has made
her adoptees much more easy to find than they previously were!



Robin Harritt

http://harritt.net

If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will this
be respected?

Paula

If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will this
be respected?

Paula

in article 20040516095859.28263.00000550@mb-m28.aol.com, PBu7434922 at
pbu7434922@aol.com wrote on 16/5/04 2:58 pm:
If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will this be respected? Paula

Read the consultation documents.

http://www.dfes.gov.uk/consultations/conDetails.cfm?consultationId=1248

Tell me what you think. I'd say it is somewhat restrictive and
overprotective of the adoptee. BTW this about contact from birth relatives
not just birth parents, though it is difficult to see how a birth father who
does not have his name on the the OBC is going to able to prove his
relatedness, or indeed any paternal siblings.

Robin

in article 20040516095859.28263.00000550@mb-m28.aol.com, PBu7434922 at
pbu7434922@aol.com wrote on 16/5/04 2:58 pm:
If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will this be respected? Paula

Read the consultation documents.

http://www.dfes.gov.uk/consultations/conDetails.cfm?consultationId=1248

Tell me what you think. I'd say it is somewhat restrictive and
overprotective of the adoptee. BTW this about contact from birth relatives
not just birth parents, though it is difficult to see how a birth father who
does not have his name on the the OBC is going to able to prove his
relatedness, or indeed any paternal siblings.

Robin

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away her rights and could discourage people from adopting in future. Pat Caffell, of Deepfield Road, has three sons and a daughter, now grown
up, who she adopted when they were babies. All four were brought up in Bracknell knowing they were adopted and
still live in the area. Under the new law announced last month, a birth parent will be actively
helped to find children they have given up for adoption once they are over 18
and an agency set up to help them. Pat, 65, said she adopted the children on the understanding they were
hers to look after. She said: "I don't blame their mothers because I know that in the 50s
and 60s it was very difficult bringing a child up on your own. Nobody gives up
their child without a lot of soul searching and heartbreak." The law comes into effect in September 2005 when adoptions between 1926
and 1975 start being processed, including Pat's children. Anyone who is traced will still have the right to stop their details
being passed to their birth parent. Pat said: "Any child has a legal, moral and ethical right to trace their
birth parents. "No one has a problem with that, but this new legislation
reverses that process. "We brought our family up with the knowledge that the courts afforded us
the protection and security to do just that. They have now taken that away
in a stroke." Pat said she worries people will be put off adopting now there is less
security for the adoptive parents, leaving children to stay in a succession of
foster homes. But Felicity Collier of the British Association for Adoption and
Fostering said: "Thousands of birth parents have waited years to explain to the
children they gave up why they made this decision, and to gain reassurance that
their children are alive and well. "All evidence shows that if there are good family relationships between
adopted adults and their adoptive parents, contact with birth parents does not jeopardise the relationship." Silly insecure controlling old bat. Rh.

she certainly seems to be. As an aparent I hope to give my kids 'roots &
wings'. If this includes forming relationships with any or all of their
birth familes that would be the icing on the cake. I hope I have fostered
enough love and self-esteem in them and that they are confident in my love
that thsi si something they will be entirely comfortable with.

This womans attitude is disappearing thankfully. Today's new aparents (at
least here in the UK) would not get through the adoption panel that
recommends them with this attitude.

ta-ra
dnh

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6845&method=full&siteid=50102&headline=adoptive-parents-get-nervous-name_p age.html Adoptive parents get nervous May 13 2004 By James Ferguson A BRACKNELL mum who adopted four children fears that a new law has taken
away her rights and could discourage people from adopting in future. Pat Caffell, of Deepfield Road, has three sons and a daughter, now grown
up, who she adopted when they were babies. All four were brought up in Bracknell knowing they were adopted and
still live in the area. Under the new law announced last month, a birth parent will be actively
helped to find children they have given up for adoption once they are over 18
and an agency set up to help them. Pat, 65, said she adopted the children on the understanding they were
hers to look after. She said: "I don't blame their mothers because I know that in the 50s
and 60s it was very difficult bringing a child up on your own. Nobody gives up
their child without a lot of soul searching and heartbreak." The law comes into effect in September 2005 when adoptions between 1926
and 1975 start being processed, including Pat's children. Anyone who is traced will still have the right to stop their details
being passed to their birth parent. Pat said: "Any child has a legal, moral and ethical right to trace their
birth parents. "No one has a problem with that, but this new legislation
reverses that process. "We brought our family up with the knowledge that the courts afforded us
the protection and security to do just that. They have now taken that away
in a stroke." Pat said she worries people will be put off adopting now there is less
security for the adoptive parents, leaving children to stay in a succession of
foster homes. But Felicity Collier of the British Association for Adoption and
Fostering said: "Thousands of birth parents have waited years to explain to the
children they gave up why they made this decision, and to gain reassurance that
their children are alive and well. "All evidence shows that if there are good family relationships between
adopted adults and their adoptive parents, contact with birth parents does not jeopardise the relationship." Silly insecure controlling old bat. Rh.

she certainly seems to be. As an aparent I hope to give my kids 'roots &
wings'. If this includes forming relationships with any or all of their
birth familes that would be the icing on the cake. I hope I have fostered
enough love and self-esteem in them and that they are confident in my love
that thsi si something they will be entirely comfortable with.

This womans attitude is disappearing thankfully. Today's new aparents (at
least here in the UK) would not get through the adoption panel that
recommends them with this attitude.

ta-ra
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this be respected? Paula

how could they be forced to meet them, it is a free country (at the
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in article 40a80fff@cpns1.saic.com, dnh at nogood@using.this.addr.com wrote
on 17/5/04 9:06 am:
"PBu7434922" <pbu7434922@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040516095859.28263.00000550@mb-m28.aol.com... If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will this be respected? Paula
how could they be forced to meet them, it is a free country (at the moment!).

Umm...not for much longer under Chairman Blair and his mentor George W
though I wouldn't want to bet on either of them having quite the same
influence this time next year.

Robin

in article 40a80fff@cpns1.saic.com, dnh at nogood@using.this.addr.com wrote
on 17/5/04 9:06 am:
"PBu7434922" <pbu7434922@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040516095859.28263.00000550@mb-m28.aol.com... If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will this be respected? Paula
how could they be forced to meet them, it is a free country (at the moment!).

Umm...not for much longer under Chairman Blair and his mentor George W
though I wouldn't want to bet on either of them having quite the same
influence this time next year.

Robin

On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:
If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will thisbe respected?Paula

Its wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do..
Human right of contact..
Your birthmom (dad) can knock on your door and all you can do is shut
it on her..

If a birthmom does not want her subsequent children told about the
child she relinquished the adoptee can just walk right past her and
contact the siblings.



Jackie

On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:
If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will thisbe respected?Paula

Its wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do..
Human right of contact..
Your birthmom (dad) can knock on your door and all you can do is shut
it on her..

If a birthmom does not want her subsequent children told about the
child she relinquished the adoptee can just walk right past her and
contact the siblings.



Jackie

>Subject: Re: Adoptive parents get nervousFrom: Jackie forgetit@me.comDate: 5/17/2004 7:18 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <eaeha09vl85kuu49m24qh7er9ssvb4jp07@4ax.com>On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents willthisbe respected?PaulaIts wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do..Human right of contact..Your birthmom (dad) can knock on your door and all you can do is shutit on her..If a birthmom does not want her subsequent children told about thechild she relinquished the adoptee can just walk right past her andcontact the siblings.Jackie

And that really chaps your hiney, doesn't it?


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>Subject: Re: Adoptive parents get nervousFrom: Jackie forgetit@me.comDate: 5/17/2004 7:18 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <eaeha09vl85kuu49m24qh7er9ssvb4jp07@4ax.com>On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents willthisbe respected?PaulaIts wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do..Human right of contact..Your birthmom (dad) can knock on your door and all you can do is shutit on her..If a birthmom does not want her subsequent children told about thechild she relinquished the adoptee can just walk right past her andcontact the siblings.Jackie

And that really chaps your hiney, doesn't it?


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"Jackie" <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message
news:eaeha09vl85kuu49m24qh7er9ssvb4jp07@4ax.com... On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will
thisbe respected?Paula Its wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do..

Really? People can do *anything* they want to do? You are too funny.

Human right of contact.. Your birthmom (dad) can knock on your door and all you can do is shut it on her..

That's right. If she continues to do it you can get a restraining order.
If a birthmom does not want her subsequent children told about the child she relinquished the adoptee can just walk right past her and contact the siblings.

Yep. It's called adulthood (you should try it sometime). People control
their own actions. Their parents don't control them any more.

Kathy 1

"Jackie" <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message
news:eaeha09vl85kuu49m24qh7er9ssvb4jp07@4ax.com... On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will
thisbe respected?Paula Its wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do..

Really? People can do *anything* they want to do? You are too funny.

Human right of contact.. Your birthmom (dad) can knock on your door and all you can do is shut it on her..

That's right. If she continues to do it you can get a restraining order.
If a birthmom does not want her subsequent children told about the child she relinquished the adoptee can just walk right past her and contact the siblings.

Yep. It's called adulthood (you should try it sometime). People control
their own actions. Their parents don't control them any more.

Kathy 1

in article eaeha09vl85kuu49m24qh7er9ssvb4jp07@4ax.com, Jackie at
forgetit@me.com wrote on 17/5/04 2:18 pm:
On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:

If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will this be respected? Paula
Its wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do.. Human right of contact.. Your birthmom (dad) can knock on your door and all you can do is shut it on her..


Not in England, where this change in the law is being discussed.

If a birthmom does not want her subsequent children told about the child she relinquished the adoptee can just walk right past her and contact the siblings.


Ah but Jackie, you would obviously need to have about 98.7 percent of your
drug addled little brain replaced, before you could get anywhere near
grasping even the simplest Mendelian genetics necessary to understand why
siblings need and, have a right to know each other, and share the kind
medical information that they also have every right to keep a secret from
their mothers.

But then Jackie, who cares if one these women's children dies because people
like you and they, are as ignorant as a sack of ****, just as long as
they're allowed to keep up the big pretence of respectability ay?

Robin

in article eaeha09vl85kuu49m24qh7er9ssvb4jp07@4ax.com, Jackie at
forgetit@me.com wrote on 17/5/04 2:18 pm:
On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:

If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will this be respected? Paula
Its wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do.. Human right of contact.. Your birthmom (dad) can knock on your door and all you can do is shut it on her..


Not in England, where this change in the law is being discussed.

If a birthmom does not want her subsequent children told about the child she relinquished the adoptee can just walk right past her and contact the siblings.


Ah but Jackie, you would obviously need to have about 98.7 percent of your
drug addled little brain replaced, before you could get anywhere near
grasping even the simplest Mendelian genetics necessary to understand why
siblings need and, have a right to know each other, and share the kind
medical information that they also have every right to keep a secret from
their mothers.

But then Jackie, who cares if one these women's children dies because people
like you and they, are as ignorant as a sack of ****, just as long as
they're allowed to keep up the big pretence of respectability ay?

Robin

In article <20040517095944.11461.00001668@mb-m18.aol.com>, LilMtnCbn says...Subject: Re: Adoptive parents get nervousFrom: Jackie forgetit@me.comDate: 5/17/2004 7:18 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <eaeha09vl85kuu49m24qh7er9ssvb4jp07@4ax.com>On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents willthisbe respected?PaulaIts wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do..Human right of contact..Your birthmom (dad) can knock on your door and all you can do is shutit on her..If a birthmom does not want her subsequent children told about thechild she relinquished the adoptee can just walk right past her andcontact the siblings.JackieAnd that really chaps your hiney, doesn't it?

I sometimes wonder if Jackie is surprised that I didn't do that. She'd probably
be shocked to know that I recently talked a searching adoptee out of contacting
his half-bro (immediately, anyway) if he was initially rejected by his bmom.

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

In article <20040517095944.11461.00001668@mb-m18.aol.com>, LilMtnCbn says...Subject: Re: Adoptive parents get nervousFrom: Jackie forgetit@me.comDate: 5/17/2004 7:18 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <eaeha09vl85kuu49m24qh7er9ssvb4jp07@4ax.com>On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents willthisbe respected?PaulaIts wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do..Human right of contact..Your birthmom (dad) can knock on your door and all you can do is shutit on her..If a birthmom does not want her subsequent children told about thechild she relinquished the adoptee can just walk right past her andcontact the siblings.JackieAnd that really chaps your hiney, doesn't it?

I sometimes wonder if Jackie is surprised that I didn't do that. She'd probably
be shocked to know that I recently talked a searching adoptee out of contacting
his half-bro (immediately, anyway) if he was initially rejected by his bmom.

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

In article <eaeha09vl85kuu49m24qh7er9ssvb4jp07@4ax.com>, Jackie says...On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will thisbe respected?PaulaIts wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do..Human right of contact..Your birthmom (dad) can knock on your door and all you can do is shutit on her..

And an adoptee can knock on the bmom's door and get the door shut in their face.
If a birthmom does not want her subsequent children told about thechild she relinquished the adoptee can just walk right past her andcontact the siblings.

Yes, and?

BTW, are you surprised that I DIDN'T do that? It would have been amazingly
simple.

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

In article <eaeha09vl85kuu49m24qh7er9ssvb4jp07@4ax.com>, Jackie says...On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will thisbe respected?PaulaIts wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do..Human right of contact..Your birthmom (dad) can knock on your door and all you can do is shutit on her..

And an adoptee can knock on the bmom's door and get the door shut in their face.
If a birthmom does not want her subsequent children told about thechild she relinquished the adoptee can just walk right past her andcontact the siblings.

Yes, and?

BTW, are you surprised that I DIDN'T do that? It would have been amazingly
simple.

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

in article 2grvprF5n1d8U1@uni-berlin.de, kat at
katlat24seeifthishelps@hotmail.com wrote on 17/5/04 3:16 pm:

"Jackie" <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message news:eaeha09vl85kuu49m24qh7er9ssvb4jp07@4ax.com...
On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:

If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will this be respected? Paula

Its wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do..

Really? People can do *anything* they want to do? You are too funny.


Again this England, and as Jackie would need several more centuries worth of
basic education before she could grasp her own country's law, it is a bit
strange that she feel qualified to pronounce on English Law. Lets face it
she hasn't yet managed grasp the difference between "private" and "secret"
adoption even though half a dozen people have tried to explain it to her.


Human right of contact.. Your birthmom (dad) can knock on your door and all you can do is shut it on her..


That's right. If she continues to do it you can get a restraining order.



As all this is not actually happening in a country anywhere near to Jackie
but in England. If a birthmother or father did manage to find an adoptee
against their will they could get a Restraining Order under the Protection
from Harassment Act 1997 (assuming under the new law that they had not found
him by illegal means and already ended up in prison)
http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1997/97040--a.htm#5 Same goes for
birthmothers who get pissed off with their returned adoptee.


If a birthmom does not want her subsequent children told about the child she relinquished the adoptee can just walk right past her and contact the siblings.

Yep. It's called adulthood (you should try it sometime). People control their own actions. Their parents don't control them any more.


Yep just like an adult can contact any other adult.


I suppose Jackie would believe that it is perfectly alright for adoption
agencies to go to the adoptive parents to ask for their permission before an
adoptee is given any information about his birthmother and visa versa. She
must believe that, after all if she didn't that would make her a complete
and total hypocrite wouldn't it?

Robin

in article 2grvprF5n1d8U1@uni-berlin.de, kat at
katlat24seeifthishelps@hotmail.com wrote on 17/5/04 3:16 pm:

"Jackie" <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message news:eaeha09vl85kuu49m24qh7er9ssvb4jp07@4ax.com...
On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:

If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will this be respected? Paula

Its wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do..

Really? People can do *anything* they want to do? You are too funny.


Again this England, and as Jackie would need several more centuries worth of
basic education before she could grasp her own country's law, it is a bit
strange that she feel qualified to pronounce on English Law. Lets face it
she hasn't yet managed grasp the difference between "private" and "secret"
adoption even though half a dozen people have tried to explain it to her.


Human right of contact.. Your birthmom (dad) can knock on your door and all you can do is shut it on her..


That's right. If she continues to do it you can get a restraining order.



As all this is not actually happening in a country anywhere near to Jackie
but in England. If a birthmother or father did manage to find an adoptee
against their will they could get a Restraining Order under the Protection
from Harassment Act 1997 (assuming under the new law that they had not found
him by illegal means and already ended up in prison)
http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1997/97040--a.htm#5 Same goes for
birthmothers who get pissed off with their returned adoptee.


If a birthmom does not want her subsequent children told about the child she relinquished the adoptee can just walk right past her and contact the siblings.

Yep. It's called adulthood (you should try it sometime). People control their own actions. Their parents don't control them any more.


Yep just like an adult can contact any other adult.


I suppose Jackie would believe that it is perfectly alright for adoption
agencies to go to the adoptive parents to ask for their permission before an
adoptee is given any information about his birthmother and visa versa. She
must believe that, after all if she didn't that would make her a complete
and total hypocrite wouldn't it?

Robin

"Robin" <zenoplatsis@harritt.net> wrote in message
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wrote on 17/5/04 9:06 am: "PBu7434922" <pbu7434922@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040516095859.28263.00000550@mb-m28.aol.com... If the adopted
adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will this be respected? Paula how could they be forced to meet them, it is a free country (at the
moment!). Umm...not for much longer under Chairman Blair and his mentor George W though I wouldn't want to bet on either of them having quite the same influence this time next year. Robin

I'm more concerned about Blunkett, he seems to be slowly but surely building
up to a totaliterian police state, scary man!

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wrote on 17/5/04 9:06 am: "PBu7434922" <pbu7434922@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040516095859.28263.00000550@mb-m28.aol.com... If the adopted
adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will this be respected? Paula how could they be forced to meet them, it is a free country (at the
moment!). Umm...not for much longer under Chairman Blair and his mentor George W though I wouldn't want to bet on either of them having quite the same influence this time next year. Robin

I'm more concerned about Blunkett, he seems to be slowly but surely building
up to a totaliterian police state, scary man!

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in article 40a87416@cpns1.saic.com, dnh at nogood@using.this.addr.com wrote
on 17/5/04 4:13 pm:
"Robin" <zenoplatsis@harritt.net> wrote in message news:BCCE383D.40CD0%zenoplatsis@harritt.net... in article 40a80fff@cpns1.saic.com, dnh at nogood@using.this.addr.com wrote on 17/5/04 9:06 am: "PBu7434922" <pbu7434922@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040516095859.28263.00000550@mb-m28.aol.com... If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will this be respected?> Paula> how could they be forced to meet them, it is a free country (at the moment!).

Umm...not for much longer under Chairman Blair and his mentor George W though I wouldn't want to bet on either of them having quite the same influence this time next year. Robin

I'm more concerned about Blunkett, he seems to be slowly but surely building up to a totaliterian police state, scary man!


Yes I know what you mean, though some of it is case of 'let's copy the
Americans'. I'm hoping he'll overheat and self-detonate given time, in the
way similar politicians have in the past, of course they've all been
Conservatives.

Isn't it a shame Lib-Dems aren't (can't be?) taken more seriously.

Robin

in article 40a87416@cpns1.saic.com, dnh at nogood@using.this.addr.com wrote
on 17/5/04 4:13 pm:
"Robin" <zenoplatsis@harritt.net> wrote in message news:BCCE383D.40CD0%zenoplatsis@harritt.net... in article 40a80fff@cpns1.saic.com, dnh at nogood@using.this.addr.com wrote on 17/5/04 9:06 am: "PBu7434922" <pbu7434922@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040516095859.28263.00000550@mb-m28.aol.com... If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will this be respected?> Paula> how could they be forced to meet them, it is a free country (at the moment!).

Umm...not for much longer under Chairman Blair and his mentor George W though I wouldn't want to bet on either of them having quite the same influence this time next year. Robin

I'm more concerned about Blunkett, he seems to be slowly but surely building up to a totaliterian police state, scary man!


Yes I know what you mean, though some of it is case of 'let's copy the
Americans'. I'm hoping he'll overheat and self-detonate given time, in the
way similar politicians have in the past, of course they've all been
Conservatives.

Isn't it a shame Lib-Dems aren't (can't be?) taken more seriously.

Robin

Jackie <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message news:<eaeha09vl85kuu49m24qh7er9ssvb4jp07@4ax.com>... On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will thisbe respected?Paula Its wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do..



Damn right they can.



Rh. Human right of contact.. Your birthmom (dad) can knock on your door and all you can do is shut it on her.. If a birthmom does not want her subsequent children told about the child she relinquished the adoptee can just walk right past her and contact the siblings. Jackie

Jackie <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message news:<eaeha09vl85kuu49m24qh7er9ssvb4jp07@4ax.com>... On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will thisbe respected?Paula Its wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do..



Damn right they can.



Rh. Human right of contact.. Your birthmom (dad) can knock on your door and all you can do is shut it on her.. If a birthmom does not want her subsequent children told about the child she relinquished the adoptee can just walk right past her and contact the siblings. Jackie

in article dafc70.0405171347.413badcd@posting.google.com, Rhiannon at
sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca wrote on 17/5/04 10:47 pm:
Jackie <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message news:<eaeha09vl85kuu49m24qh7er9ssvb4jp07@4ax.com>..
On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:
If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will this be respected? Paula


Its wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do..

Damn right they can. Rh.

Damn right they ought to be able to, in England as just about everywhere
else, we still need to fight to make sure that they can. The only the person
who should be saying who can or can't meet me is me. Not some adoptive or
natural mother or any other relative of any kind and certainly not a social
worker.

Robin

in article dafc70.0405171347.413badcd@posting.google.com, Rhiannon at
sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca wrote on 17/5/04 10:47 pm:
Jackie <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message news:<eaeha09vl85kuu49m24qh7er9ssvb4jp07@4ax.com>..
On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:
If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will this be respected? Paula


Its wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do..

Damn right they can. Rh.

Damn right they ought to be able to, in England as just about everywhere
else, we still need to fight to make sure that they can. The only the person
who should be saying who can or can't meet me is me. Not some adoptive or
natural mother or any other relative of any kind and certainly not a social
worker.

Robin

Robin <zenoplatsis@harritt.net> wrote in message news:<BCCEF65F.40E56%zenoplatsis@harritt.net>... in article dafc70.0405171347.413badcd@posting.google.com, Rhiannon at sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca wrote on 17/5/04 10:47 pm: Jackie <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message news:<eaeha09vl85kuu49m24qh7er9ssvb4jp07@4ax.com>.. On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:> If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will> this be respected?>> Paula Its wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do.. Damn right they can. Rh. Damn right they ought to be able to, in England as just about everywhere else, we still need to fight to make sure that they can. The only the person who should be saying who can or can't meet me is me. Not some adoptive or natural mother or any other relative of any kind and certainly not a social worker. >
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Damn right you are, Robin.


Rh.



Robin

Robin <zenoplatsis@harritt.net> wrote in message news:<BCCEF65F.40E56%zenoplatsis@harritt.net>... in article dafc70.0405171347.413badcd@posting.google.com, Rhiannon at sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca wrote on 17/5/04 10:47 pm: Jackie <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message news:<eaeha09vl85kuu49m24qh7er9ssvb4jp07@4ax.com>.. On 16 May 2004 13:58:59 GMT, pbu7434922@aol.com (PBu7434922) wrote:> If the adopted adult says they do not want to meet the birth parents will> this be respected?>> Paula Its wide open Paula.. Anyone can do anything they want to do.. Damn right they can. Rh. Damn right they ought to be able to, in England as just about everywhere else, we still need to fight to make sure that they can. The only the person who should be saying who can or can't meet me is me. Not some adoptive or natural mother or any other relative of any kind and certainly not a social worker. >
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Damn right you are, Robin.


Rh.



Robin

"Robin" <zenoplatsis@harritt.net> wrote in message
news:BCCE992B.40E02%zenoplatsis@harritt.net... in article 40a87416@cpns1.saic.com, dnh at nogood@using.this.addr.com
wrote on 17/5/04 4:13 pm: "Robin" <zenoplatsis@harritt.net> wrote in message news:BCCE383D.40CD0%zenoplatsis@harritt.net... in article 40a80fff@cpns1.saic.com, dnh at nogood@using.this.addr.com wrote on 17/5/04 9:06 am:> "PBu7434922" <pbu7434922@aol.com> wrote in message> news:20040516095859.28263.00000550@mb-m28.aol.com... If the adopted
adult> says they do not want to meet the birth parents will this be
respected?>>> Paula>>> how could they be forced to meet them, it is a free country (at the> moment!). Umm...not for much longer under Chairman Blair and his mentor George W though I wouldn't want to bet on either of them having quite the same influence this time next year. Robin I'm more concerned about Blunkett, he seems to be slowly but surely
building up to a totaliterian police state, scary man! Yes I know what you mean, though some of it is case of 'let's copy the Americans'. I'm hoping he'll overheat and self-detonate given time, in the way similar politicians have in the past, of course they've all been Conservatives. Isn't it a shame Lib-Dems aren't (can't be?) taken more seriously. Robin

agree with you there, they have some good ideas and seem on the whole to be
as 'decent' as politicians can be. It would be very interesting to see how
they came across if they did get some power.

nigel

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"Robin" <zenoplatsis@harritt.net> wrote in message
news:BCCE992B.40E02%zenoplatsis@harritt.net... in article 40a87416@cpns1.saic.com, dnh at nogood@using.this.addr.com
wrote on 17/5/04 4:13 pm: "Robin" <zenoplatsis@harritt.net> wrote in message news:BCCE383D.40CD0%zenoplatsis@harritt.net... in article 40a80fff@cpns1.saic.com, dnh at nogood@using.this.addr.com wrote on 17/5/04 9:06 am:> "PBu7434922" <pbu7434922@aol.com> wrote in message> news:20040516095859.28263.00000550@mb-m28.aol.com... If the adopted
adult> says they do not want to meet the birth parents will this be
respected?>>> Paula>>> how could they be forced to meet them, it is a free country (at the> moment!). Umm...not for much longer under Chairman Blair and his mentor George W though I wouldn't want to bet on either of them having quite the same influence this time next year. Robin I'm more concerned about Blunkett, he seems to be slowly but surely
building up to a totaliterian police state, scary man! Yes I know what you mean, though some of it is case of 'let's copy the Americans'. I'm hoping he'll overheat and self-detonate given time, in the way similar politicians have in the past, of course they've all been Conservatives. Isn't it a shame Lib-Dems aren't (can't be?) taken more seriously. Robin

agree with you there, they have some good ideas and seem on the whole to be
as 'decent' as politicians can be. It would be very interesting to see how
they came across if they did get some power.

nigel

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