here's how blacks have thanked us:

Black: Crimes per 100,000 black persons in study population
White: Crimes per 100,000 white persons in study population
Ratio: B/W


Crime............ White Black Ratio
------------------------------------------------------------
Total............: 4,968 10,681 2.15

Murder/neg. msltr.: 3.32 17.9 5.39
Forcible rape.....: 8.9 25.7 2.89
Robbery..........: 25.1 164.3 6.55
Aggrivated assault: 157.6 454.1 2.88
Burglary..........: 408 1000 2.45

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_00/00crime4.pdf

Buck Turgidson

t u r g i d s o n a @ t n y m d . t a l i a s d . t n e t

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"Buck Turgidson" <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message
news:LBC33KU538150.5722453704@anonymous... here's how blacks have thanked us: Black: Crimes per 100,000 black persons in study population White: Crimes per 100,000 white persons in study population Ratio: B/W
What you gonna do, round up all the black people and torture, rape and murder them
till they confess to crimes they didn't commit?

"D" <dontspam@hotbotmail.com> wrote:
"Buck Turgidson" <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> wroteSubject: Re: We face a common Enemy

Don't be a bigot.
Black: Crimes per 100,000 black persons in study population White: Crimes per 100,000 white persons in study population Ratio: B/WWhat you gonna do, round up all the black people and torture, rape and murder themtill they confess to crimes they didn't commit?

They don't commit crimes because they're black. IMHO
the single biggest reason blacks have such high crime
rates is their out-of-wedlock birthrate. Two thirds of blacks
are born to unmarried mothers, compared to one third
of the rest of the population. Children without fathers
are far more likely to become criminals.

IIRC crime rates among blacks were comparable to
crime rates among whites a few decades ago--before
we started rewarding women to squirt out kids with no
fathers around. Blame our welfare system for the high
crime rates.

When are statistics dishonest ?
__________________________________________________ ______________________________



"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and the MISREPRESENTATION of statistics."

So when are statistics misrepresented ?


When the presentation is "tunnel vision".
Meaning that the full picture is not shown.


For example :


[1]
When only one geographic location is shown.

This type of presentation does not give the reader the opportunity
to compare the statistics with other geographic locations.


[2]
When only one period in time is shown.

This type of presentation does not give the reader the opportunity
to compare the statistics with other periods in time.


__________________________________________________ ______________________________

In misc.legal Foxtrot wrote:

: They don't commit crimes because they're black. IMHO
: the single biggest reason blacks have such high crime
: rates is their out-of-wedlock birthrate. Two thirds of blacks
: are born to unmarried mothers, compared to one third
: of the rest of the population. Children without fathers
: are far more likely to become criminals.

I think you're argument is weak because it your proposed cause seems to be
an effect. A better way to put is that the birthrate statistics you argue
for may be a symptom, much like a higher crime rate, rather than the
actual disease.

I think a safer argument would be to suggest that the higher crime rates
cited previously may be due to economic issues rather than an infidelity
issue, as you have cited. I firmly doubt the existence of any serious
study that shows that blacks are less committed than whites of equal
social status. I'll bow to someone more skilled in sociology than I, but I
would feel skeptical to blame crime rates on something that seems to be an
effect itself.

--
Jeff Stewart | "Princess Di is wearing a new dress."
Email: gte138j@mail.gatech.edu | - Matt Alexander stating THE TRUTH
|

Downtym <gte138j@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
In misc.legal Foxtrot wrote:: They don't commit crimes because they're black. IMHO: the single biggest reason blacks have such high crime: rates is their out-of-wedlock birthrate. Two thirds of blacks: are born to unmarried mothers, compared to one third: of the rest of the population. Children without fathers: are far more likely to become criminals.I think you're argument is weak because it your proposed cause seems to bean effect. A better way to put is that the birthrate statistics you arguefor may be a symptom, much like a higher crime rate, rather than theactual disease.I think a safer argument would be to suggest that the higher crime ratescited previously may be due to economic issues rather than an infidelityissue, as you have cited. I firmly doubt the existence of any seriousstudy that shows that blacks are less committed than whites of equalsocial status. I'll bow to someone more skilled in sociology than I, but Iwould feel skeptical to blame crime rates on something that seems to be aneffect itself.

I don't claim to be an expert on sociology either. But in
his book Ten Things You Can't Say In America, Larry
Elder makes a convincing case that illegitimacy is
America's biggest problem. In addition to the obvious
economic problems it causes, it leads to resentment,
irresponsible behavior, and sometimes much worse.

There has been devastating poverty, especially hitting
blacks, in our past, like during the Great Depression.
But back then they weren't gunning each other down
on a daily basis. So economics must not be the direct
cause of violent criminal behavior, agree?

Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote in message news:<ivimc05lt141spbbj7ogmoggppdbt8lrlc@4ax.com>... "D" <dontspam@hotbotmail.com> wrote:"Buck Turgidson" <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> wroteSubject: Re: We face a common Enemy Don't be a bigot. Black: Crimes per 100,000 black persons in study population White: Crimes per 100,000 white persons in study population Ratio: B/WWhat you gonna do, round up all the black people and torture, rape and murder themtill they confess to crimes they didn't commit? They don't commit crimes because they're black. IMHO the single biggest reason blacks have such high crime rates is their out-of-wedlock birthrate. Two thirds of blacks are born to unmarried mothers, compared to one third of the rest of the population. Children without fathers are far more likely to become criminals. IIRC crime rates among blacks were comparable to crime rates among whites a few decades ago--before we started rewarding women to squirt out kids with no fathers around. Blame our welfare system for the high crime rates.


It would be more accurate to say these higher statistics are
attributed to socio-economic status or cultural influence - it has
nothing to do with skin pigmentation.

kevprice1@yahoo.com (Kevin) wrote:
Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote IIRC crime rates among blacks were comparable to crime rates among whites a few decades ago--before we started rewarding women to squirt out kids with no fathers around. Blame our welfare system for the high crime rates.It would be more accurate to say these higher statistics areattributed to socio-economic status or cultural influence

If the problem is socio-economic, how come the crime
rate for blacks was relatively low for nearly a century,
beginning with emancipation? Blacks suffered severe
poverty back then, even worse than now, yet we didn't
have the crime we have now.

Although libs love to blame everything on poverty (thus
giving them an excuse to confiscate money from those who
earn it), crime must have nothing to do with economics,
eh? It's caused by irresponsibility, not poverty.
- it hasnothing to do with skin pigmentation.

No, but you can't deny statistics like the fact that out-of-
wedlock births for blacks is much higher than it is for
other groups.

"Foxtrot" <foxtrot@null.com> wrote in message
news:bnsmc0hkb6dcqcaen8kespbj4g6olq47k3@4ax.com...
I don't claim to be an expert on sociology either. But in his book Ten Things You Can't Say In America, Larry Elder makes a convincing case that illegitimacy is America's biggest problem. In addition to the obvious economic problems it causes, it leads to resentment, irresponsible behavior, and sometimes much worse.

Oh hell. If you're going to start quoting Larry Elder, next thing you know
you're going to offer reasoned arguments that are supported by logic and
verifiable facts! What's up with that!

"Kevin" <kevprice1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9342cef7.0406121350.1e32ce27@posting.google.c om... Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote in message
news:<ivimc05lt141spbbj7ogmoggppdbt8lrlc@4ax.com>... "D" <dontspam@hotbotmail.com> wrote:"Buck Turgidson" <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> wrote>Subject: Re: We face a common Enemy Don't be a bigot.> Black: Crimes per 100,000 black persons in study population> White: Crimes per 100,000 white persons in study population> Ratio: B/W>What you gonna do, round up all the black people and torture, rape and
murder themtill they confess to crimes they didn't commit? They don't commit crimes because they're black. IMHO the single biggest reason blacks have such high crime rates is their out-of-wedlock birthrate. Two thirds of blacks are born to unmarried mothers, compared to one third of the rest of the population. Children without fathers are far more likely to become criminals. IIRC crime rates among blacks were comparable to crime rates among whites a few decades ago--before we started rewarding women to squirt out kids with no fathers around. Blame our welfare system for the high crime rates. It would be more accurate to say these higher statistics are attributed to socio-economic status or cultural influence - it has nothing to do with skin pigmentation.

That's reasonable. Certainly you're absolutely correct that skin
pigmentation is not a factor by itself. What's sad is that the cultural
divides and influences are too often coincidental with that skin
pigmentation.

And recall the flak that Bill Cosby recently got by noticing the lack of
cultural development among too many blacks.

The good news, however, is that there are more blacks courageous enough to
say that the black community would well be advised to start looking to
themselves to see the source of many of their difficulties, rather than just
blame society, the white man, or the ever-convenient catch-all excuse of
racism.

"The Pervert" <pervert12@spambad.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:GFLyc.26005$0y.11622@attbi_s03... "Kevin" <kevprice1@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:9342cef7.0406121350.1e32ce27@posting.google.c om... Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote in message news:<ivimc05lt141spbbj7ogmoggppdbt8lrlc@4ax.com>... "D" <dontspam@hotbotmail.com> wrote: >"Buck Turgidson" <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> wrote >>Subject: Re: We face a common Enemy Don't be a bigot. >> Black: Crimes per 100,000 black persons in study population >> White: Crimes per 100,000 white persons in study population >> Ratio: B/W >> >What you gonna do, round up all the black people and torture, rape
and murder them >till they confess to crimes they didn't commit? They don't commit crimes because they're black. IMHO the single biggest reason blacks have such high crime rates is their out-of-wedlock birthrate. Two thirds of blacks are born to unmarried mothers, compared to one third of the rest of the population. Children without fathers are far more likely to become criminals. IIRC crime rates among blacks were comparable to crime rates among whites a few decades ago--before we started rewarding women to squirt out kids with no fathers around. Blame our welfare system for the high crime rates. It would be more accurate to say these higher statistics are attributed to socio-economic status or cultural influence - it has nothing to do with skin pigmentation. That's reasonable. Certainly you're absolutely correct that skin pigmentation is not a factor by itself. What's sad is that the cultural divides and influences are too often coincidental with that skin pigmentation. And recall the flak that Bill Cosby recently got by noticing the lack of cultural development among too many blacks. The good news, however, is that there are more blacks courageous enough to say that the black community would well be advised to start looking to themselves to see the source of many of their difficulties, rather than
just blame society, the white man, or the ever-convenient catch-all excuse of racism.

Skin hairiness is irrelevant as well. Chimps are really the same as humans.

GP

Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Buck Turgidson) wrote:here's how blacks have thanked us:Black: Crimes per 100,000 black persons in study populationWhite: Crimes per 100,000 white persons in study populationRatio: B/WCrime............ White Black Ratio------------------------------------------------------------Total............: 4,968 10,681 2.15Murder/neg. msltr.: 3.32 17.9 5.39Forcible rape.....: 8.9 25.7 2.89Robbery..........: 25.1 164.3 6.55Aggrivated assault: 157.6 454.1 2.88Burglary..........: 408 1000 2.45

Isn't it true that blacks are also much poorer then whites in the
USA ? And in any case, it seems a well deserved thank-you from the
blacks, for slavery, segregation and racism by ... whites. Almost
all serial killers are white Americans, almost all corporate parasites
who extract huge profits over the backs of others are ... whites.

Secondly, try to compare the Chinese with the whites, at least in
Holland the Chinese are the only foreign group that is less criminal
then us whites. Should we now kill out every race except the Chinese ?
If so, you can start by shooting yourself !

I'm the last to not admit that blacks make a total mess of Africa
though, but that's not much different then whites did only a few
hundred years ago, not to mention the world wars. And there are also
positive aspects of blacks that whites lack, for instance go to a white
church and go to a black church, the blacks no how to have some fun
(singing/dancing) while the whites sit dreary looking and listening
to their boring priest going on and on and on about whatever.
--

kevprice1@yahoo.com (Kevin) wrote in message news:<9342cef7.0406121350.1e32ce27@posting.google.com>... Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote in message news:<ivimc05lt141spbbj7ogmoggppdbt8lrlc@4ax.com>... "D" <dontspam@hotbotmail.com> wrote:"Buck Turgidson" <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> wrote>Subject: Re: We face a common Enemy Don't be a bigot.> Black: Crimes per 100,000 black persons in study population> White: Crimes per 100,000 white persons in study population> Ratio: B/W>What you gonna do, round up all the black people and torture, rape and murder themtill they confess to crimes they didn't commit? They don't commit crimes because they're black. IMHO the single biggest reason blacks have such high crime rates is their out-of-wedlock birthrate. Two thirds of blacks are born to unmarried mothers, compared to one third of the rest of the population. Children without fathers are far more likely to become criminals. IIRC crime rates among blacks were comparable to crime rates among whites a few decades ago--before we started rewarding women to squirt out kids with no fathers around. Blame our welfare system for the high crime rates. It would be more accurate to say these higher statistics are attributed to socio-economic status or cultural influence - it has nothing to do with skin pigmentation.
If true, then the crime rate among black people shpuld have been
much higher during the Great Depression.


Michael

On 13 Jun 2004 08:53:52 -0700, mejercit@hotmail.com (Michael Ejercito)
wrote:
kevprice1@yahoo.com (Kevin) wrote in message news:<9342cef7.0406121350.1e32ce27@posting.google.com>... Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote in message news:<ivimc05lt141spbbj7ogmoggppdbt8lrlc@4ax.com>... "D" <dontspam@hotbotmail.com> wrote: >"Buck Turgidson" <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> wrote >>Subject: Re: We face a common Enemy Don't be a bigot. >> Black: Crimes per 100,000 black persons in study population >> White: Crimes per 100,000 white persons in study population >> Ratio: B/W >> >What you gonna do, round up all the black people and torture, rape and murder them >till they confess to crimes they didn't commit? They don't commit crimes because they're black. IMHO the single biggest reason blacks have such high crime rates is their out-of-wedlock birthrate. Two thirds of blacks are born to unmarried mothers, compared to one third of the rest of the population. Children without fathers are far more likely to become criminals. IIRC crime rates among blacks were comparable to crime rates among whites a few decades ago--before we started rewarding women to squirt out kids with no fathers around. Blame our welfare system for the high crime rates. It would be more accurate to say these higher statistics are attributed to socio-economic status or cultural influence - it has nothing to do with skin pigmentation. If true, then the crime rate among black people shpuld have beenmuch higher during the Great Depression.
That would be well before the effects of the great urbanization of the
black lower class was complete. In the 30's the urbanization had just
started. You have to be an urban underclass to be a crime problem,
unless you are going to worry about crop theft statistics.

However do join in with the rightwing chorus that associates
uncorrelated statistics in order to push their idiotic moral agenda.
Why bother with logic and reason when emotional arguments are so much
more fun?




The Washington NeoClowns can't even get their clown
shoes on right, and there is no wrong way to do that.

==
Mark Roddy

"Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event like a
new Pearl Harbor."

-- Project for a New American Century,
-- the neocon cabal's blueprint for world empire.
http://www.newamericancentury.org

"jos boersema" <joshb@mraha.kitenet.net> wrote
I'm the last to not admit that blacks make a total mess of Africa

They make a mess of everthing, including the UN. I hope your country gets a
bunch of them soon. Then perhaps you won't be such a naive fool who spouts
off about things of which you know nothing..

GP