French court rejects bid by Irish mother
to reclaim baby she abandoned to adoption

LILLE, France, April 14 (AFP) - France's highest appeals court has rejected a
bid by an Irish woman to reclaim a baby girl she gave up for adoption two years
ago, saying her change-of-mind came too late.

The Cour de Cassation overturned a lower court's verdict last year that Karen
Taher, 37, should be able to retract her written abandonment of the girl and
take custody from the family in which the child had been placed.

The high court, in its April 6 decision, found that the legal limit of two
months for such decisions had passed, leaving Taher no further recourse in
France to reclaim the infant, the woman's lawyer, Pierre-Yves Rossignol, said.

Taher, contacted by telephone, called the final verdict "abominable" and vowed
to take her fight to the European Court of Human Rights.

Her new lawyer, Thomas Haas, said Taher could argue that she did not receive a
faire hearing and that her case was handled "very curiously" by French
officials.

"Essentially, this is about working out whether the French system of births
under 'X' is compatible with the requirements of the European Convention on
Human Rights, such as the right to family life and the right of a child to know
where it came from," he said.

He said his client "feels like she has been the victim of institutionalised
kidnapping."

Taher's baby was born in France on February 18, 2002 with a birth certificate
designating her parents as "X" -- a French legal term for persons unknown.

The baby was the result of an extramarital affair Taher had.

A regional official had lodged the appeal against Taher because he believed
removing the child from the French family which had adopted it was "an
extremely delicate matter".

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=58&story_id=6606

Posted for educational purposes only.


Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in
baby trafficking". ~~121603
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html

meagan787@aol.comsthesun (Kathy) wrote in message news:<20040414120330.12594.00000249@mb-m24.aol.com>... French court rejects bid by Irish mother to reclaim baby she abandoned to adoption LILLE, France, April 14 (AFP) - France's highest appeals court has rejected a bid by an Irish woman to reclaim a baby girl she gave up for adoption two years ago, saying her change-of-mind came too late. The Cour de Cassation overturned a lower court's verdict last year that Karen Taher, 37, should be able to retract her written abandonment of the girl and take custody from the family in which the child had been placed. The high court, in its April 6 decision, found that the legal limit of two months for such decisions had passed, leaving Taher no further recourse in France to reclaim the infant, the woman's lawyer, Pierre-Yves Rossignol, said. Taher, contacted by telephone, called the final verdict "abominable" and vowed to take her fight to the European Court of Human Rights. Her new lawyer, Thomas Haas, said Taher could argue that she did not receive a faire hearing and that her case was handled "very curiously" by French officials. "Essentially, this is about working out whether the French system of births under 'X' is compatible with the requirements of the European Convention on Human Rights, such as the right to family life and the right of a child to know where it came from," he said. He said his client "feels like she has been the victim of institutionalised kidnapping." Taher's baby was born in France on February 18, 2002 with a birth certificate designating her parents as "X" -- a French legal term for persons unknown. The baby was the result of an extramarital affair Taher had. A regional official had lodged the appeal against Taher because he believed removing the child from the French family which had adopted it was "an extremely delicate matter".


In my opinion, two months *is* insufficient.



Rh. http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=58&story_id=6606 Posted for educational purposes only. Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in baby trafficking". ~~121603 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html

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news:<20040414120330.12594.00000249@mb-m24.aol.com>... French court rejects bid by Irish mother to reclaim baby she abandoned to adoption LILLE, France, April 14 (AFP) - France's highest appeals court has
rejected a bid by an Irish woman to reclaim a baby girl she gave up for adoption
two years ago, saying her change-of-mind came too late.
<SNIP>> In my opinion, two months *is* insufficient.

Possibly, but two years is far too long. There has to be a time limit for
the child's sake. You can't have people saying 1, 3, 5, ?yrs later that they
want a child back that is now settled and probably (possibly?) attached with
the only parents they have a conscious memory of.

dnh

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news:407dcbf7@cpns1.saic.com... -- to reply, remove flintstones names from the addr below fred.nillspam.barney@yahoo.com "Rhiannon" <sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca> wrote in message news:dafc70.0404141417.5b809fda@posting.google.com ... meagan787@aol.comsthesun (Kathy) wrote in message news:<20040414120330.12594.00000249@mb-m24.aol.com>... French court rejects bid by Irish mother to reclaim baby she abandoned to adoption LILLE, France, April 14 (AFP) - France's highest appeals court has rejected a bid by an Irish woman to reclaim a baby girl she gave up for adoption two years ago, saying her change-of-mind came too late. <SNIP>> In my opinion, two months *is* insufficient. Possibly, but two years is far too long. There has to be a time limit for the child's sake. You can't have people saying 1, 3, 5, ?yrs later that
they want a child back that is now settled and probably (possibly?) attached
with the only parents they have a conscious memory of. dnh

This is Born Under X and all bets are off. This is NOT traditional
relinquishment but the Vichy baby dump scheme, quickly being adopted in the
US. No name, no shame, no blame, no name. Snce 1940, 600,000 Xs have been
born with erased identities in France. It's the future of adoption in the
US and cannot be allowed to take root.

We lost in the European Human Rigihts Court in February 2003, and I suspect
that if this case is excepted it will, too--simply because of.... hmm, shall
we
say....special interests of some of those who sit on the court.

www.x-en-colere.org

Manif: to be militant:
"Action" is our motto ! Why ? Because thirty demonstrators can attract fifty
journalists and it is a good way to call out to public opinion and
politicians.
Are you an angry X ? Are you active or do you want to be active in your
country ? Do you dream of an international demonstration ? Get in touch !



Marley

>Subject: Re: French court rejects bid by Irish mother to reclaim baby sheabandoned to adoptionFrom: "dnh" nogood@using.this.addr.comDate: 4/15/04 12:40 AM Mountain Daylight TimeMessage-id: <407dcbf7@cpns1.saic.com>

Possibly, but two years is far too long. There has to be a time limit forthe child's sake. You can't have people saying 1, 3, 5, ?yrs later that theywant a child back that is now settled and probably (possibly?) attached withthe only parents they have a conscious memory of.dnh

Silly anonymous poster. You just don't get it. The US is supposed to be the
big bad ogre with baby rabies because we regularly snatch babies from
impoverished (or in Jackie's case totally unwanted and attempted abortions)
birth parents and award them to worthy and deserving infertile Republicans.
Not to mention the Melindas Walmsleys from Kansas of this world who pimp out
their own daughters to provide babies.

Ironic that the French, who are so miffed that they haven't been, in ANY
opinon, the world-wide pop cultural trend-setters for 20-40 years (I'd say
their last great idea was lap dogs in the 1700's---silly, but effective. The
furry creatures were on thier laps to lure the fleas from thier perfumed, but
unwashed and lously selves).

Yes, I digress. All this woo-ha about the baby-greedy Americans is just
bull****.

Oh my. What a blow to Jackie. French baby stealers.


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In article <20040415041815.03997.00000400@mb-m01.aol.com>, LilMtnCbn says...Subject: Re: French court rejects bid by Irish mother to reclaim baby sheabandoned to adoptionFrom: "dnh" nogood@using.this.addr.comDate: 4/15/04 12:40 AM Mountain Daylight TimeMessage-id: <407dcbf7@cpns1.saic.com>Possibly, but two years is far too long. There has to be a time limit forthe child's sake. You can't have people saying 1, 3, 5, ?yrs later that theywant a child back that is now settled and probably (possibly?) attached withthe only parents they have a conscious memory of.dnhSilly anonymous poster. You just don't get it. The US is supposed to be thebig bad ogre with baby rabies because we regularly snatch babies fromimpoverished (or in Jackie's case totally unwanted and attempted abortions)birth parents and award them to worthy and deserving infertile Republicans.Not to mention the Melindas Walmsleys from Kansas of this world who pimp outtheir own daughters to provide babies.Ironic that the French, who are so miffed that they haven't been, in ANYopinon, the world-wide pop cultural trend-setters for 20-40 years (I'd saytheir last great idea was lap dogs in the 1700's---silly, but effective. Thefurry creatures were on thier laps to lure the fleas from thier perfumed, butunwashed and lously selves).

Whoa! ;)
Yes, I digress. All this woo-ha about the baby-greedy Americans is justbull****.Oh my. What a blow to Jackie. French baby stealers.

Are those anything like French ticklers? :D

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
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>Subject: Re: French court rejects bid by Irish mother to reclaim baby sheabandoned to adoptionFrom: sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca (Rhiannon)Date: 4/14/04 3:17 PM Pacific Daylight TimeMessage-id: <dafc70.0404141417.5b809fda@posting.google.com>meagan787@aol.comsthesun (Kathy) wrote in messagenews:<20040414120330.12594.00000249@mb-m24.aol.com>... French court rejects bid by Irish mother to reclaim baby she abandoned to adoption LILLE, France, April 14 (AFP) - France's highest appeals court has rejecteda bid by an Irish woman to reclaim a baby girl she gave up for adoption twoyears ago, saying her change-of-mind came too late. The Cour de Cassation overturned a lower court's verdict last year thatKaren Taher, 37, should be able to retract her written abandonment of the girland take custody from the family in which the child had been placed. The high court, in its April 6 decision, found that the legal limit of two months for such decisions had passed, leaving Taher no further recourse in France to reclaim the infant, the woman's lawyer, Pierre-Yves Rossignol,said. Taher, contacted by telephone, called the final verdict "abominable" andvowed to take her fight to the European Court of Human Rights. Her new lawyer, Thomas Haas, said Taher could argue that she did notreceive a faire hearing and that her case was handled "very curiously" by French officials. "Essentially, this is about working out whether the French system of births under 'X' is compatible with the requirements of the European Convention on Human Rights, such as the right to family life and the right of a child toknow where it came from," he said. He said his client "feels like she has been the victim of institutionalised kidnapping." Taher's baby was born in France on February 18, 2002 with a birthcertificate designating her parents as "X" -- a French legal term for persons unknown. The baby was the result of an extramarital affair Taher had. A regional official had lodged the appeal against Taher because he believed removing the child from the French family which had adopted it was "an extremely delicate matter".In my opinion, two months *is* insufficient.Rh.

I only wish that most mothers had two months to revoke their consents. Yeah,
two months seems sufficient. I don't know how long that you had, but mine was
48 hours. That's why I think women contemplating adoption need to be informed
that they don't need to feel pressured to sign anything until they are ready.
The most empowering thing women can do is step up to the plate and educate
themselves before making this crucial life changing decision.






Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in
baby trafficking". ~~121603
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html