Hello all:

Unless the federal government steps in, San Jose Police Officer Chad
Marshall will get away with illegally entering a woman's home and killing
her. Personally, I have a federal case I'm filing a pleading in today
regarding them violating an important right present even before the American
Revolution: even the king cannot

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"Vincent Henry Bartning" <Bartning@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:MZCdnfhbTrKJbDuiRVn-sA@comcast.com... Hello all: Unless the federal government steps in, San Jose Police Officer Chad Marshall will get away with illegally entering a woman's home and killing her. Personally, I have a federal case I'm filing a pleading in today regarding them violating an important right present even before the
American Revolution: even the king cannot


Police responded to a domestic disturbance call which is one of the most
tense, unpredictably, and potentially dangerous calls a cop can go on due to
the emotional state of the participants. The object of the call brandished
what looked like a knife/cleaver at one of the cops. Thinking that he was
in emminent danger from a deadly weapon he shot and killed the woman.

The above post makes it sound as if the police commited a home invasion
which was not the case.

"Vincent Henry Bartning" <Bartning@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:MZCdnfhbTrKJbDuiRVn-sA@comcast.com... Hello all:

Gee, maybe you're just pissing them off with your inability to answer even
the simplist of questions.
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"Don Freeman" <freeman.REMOVE@smrn.com> writes:

Police responded to a domestic disturbance call which is one of the most tense, unpredictably, and potentially dangerous calls a cop can go on due to the emotional state of the participants. The object of the call brandished what looked like a knife/cleaver at one of the cops. Thinking that he was in emminent danger from a deadly weapon he shot and killed the woman. The above post makes it sound as if the police commited a home invasion which was not the case.

Whatever ether of you say, the woman who was killed was apparently
short, weighed 98 pounds, and was holding some sort of vegetable
peeler, at least that is what was claimed in regional newspapers. The
officer and the woman did not share a language that both were fluent
in, making communication between the two impossible. She was killed in
front of two small children.

She apparently was upset about something a week or so earlier, and
the police or someone managed to calm her down. You'd think with
all the records the John Ashcroft types want to keep on us, they
could somehow tell the officer while en route that the person
causing this disturbance had a history of getting upset but was
otherwise harmless.

BTW, there was an op-ed piece a few weeks ago in the San Francisco
Chronicle by an assistant DA about how his boyfriend was killed by the
police. He (the boyfriend) had a history of relatively minor
psychological or mental problems that could be handled with
appropriate treatment. Even a DA could not get a look at the police
report to see what had happened. No wonder people are suspecting the
worse.

"Bill Z." <nobody@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:m365i0j16p.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net... "Don Freeman" <freeman.REMOVE@smrn.com> writes: Police responded to a domestic disturbance call which is one of the most tense, unpredictably, and potentially dangerous calls a cop can go on
due to the emotional state of the participants. The object of the call
brandished what looked like a knife/cleaver at one of the cops. Thinking that he
was in emminent danger from a deadly weapon he shot and killed the woman. The above post makes it sound as if the police commited a home invasion which was not the case.
She apparently was upset about something a week or so earlier, and the police or someone managed to calm her down. You'd think with all the records the John Ashcroft types want to keep on us, they could somehow tell the officer while en route that the person causing this disturbance had a history of getting upset but was otherwise harmless.
I'm not disputing that in the least, but the problem is a communications one
between the department's records and the officer that took the call. How
can he be blamed if the above information was not dispatched with the call?

"Don Freeman" <freeman.REMOVE@smrn.com> writes:
"Bill Z." <nobody@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message news:m365i0j16p.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net... "Don Freeman" <freeman.REMOVE@smrn.com> writes: Police responded to a domestic disturbance call which is one of the most tense, unpredictably, and potentially dangerous calls a cop can go on > due to the emotional state of the participants. The object of the call > brandished what looked like a knife/cleaver at one of the cops. Thinking that he > was in emminent danger from a deadly weapon he shot and killed the woman. The above post makes it sound as if the police commited a home invasion which was not the case. She apparently was upset about something a week or so earlier, and the police or someone managed to calm her down. You'd think with all the records the John Ashcroft types want to keep on us, they could somehow tell the officer while en route that the person causing this disturbance had a history of getting upset but was otherwise harmless. I'm not disputing that in the least, but the problem is a communications one between the department's records and the officer that took the call. How can he be blamed if the above information was not dispatched with the call?

Where did I blame the officer? I pointed out what the press reports
had said and the apparent lack of communication.

Don:

<snip of my message>
Police responded to a domestic disturbance call which is one of the most tense, unpredictably, and potentially dangerous calls a cop can go on due
to the emotional state of the participants. The object of the call
brandished what looked like a knife/cleaver at one of the cops. Thinking that he was in emminent danger from a deadly weapon he shot and killed the woman. The above post makes it sound as if the police commited a home invasion which was not the case.

I don't see what I want here. People in government and in general can libel
and slander at will which is very bad for a republic according to
Machiavelli even. John Locke would also blame bad judges. We also were
talking about my case where I told police specifically I did not want them
to enter, but they forced their way in. I also don't see what I want in
communicating about the lying involved with government cover ups like the
one with the murdered woman.

The object sounds more like a key on a key chain, and she was intending to
open a door she accidentally locked with it besides.

I can't speak my mind here. I was not at the scene. Justice and good
should prevail. When reproduction's done solely on evil, some issues occur
to say the least.

San Jose lawyers attack with impunity. They'd make people believe Mother
Theresa was a prostitute if they could get away with it, which is more than
likely! She was more crazy than a woman trying to open a locked door in her
own home, and the domestic disturbance call was never brought up. Did the
police even knock?

"... to tell the people that they are absolved from obedience when illegal
attempts are made upon their liberties or properties, and may oppose the
unlawful violence of those who were their magistrates, when they invade
their property contrary to the trust put in them; and that therefore this
doctrine is not to be allowed, being so destructive to the peace of the
world: they may as well say, upon the same ground, that honest men may not
oppose robbers or pirates, because this may occasion disorder or
bloodshed..." John Locke, _The Second Treatise of Government_, XIX, Section
228.

In article <m365i0j16p.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net>,
nobody@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.) wrote:
Whatever ether of you say, the woman who was killed was apparently short, weighed 98 pounds, and was holding some sort of vegetable peeler, at least that is what was claimed in regional newspapers.

Have you SEEN this "vegetable feeler?" I did on TV. It was a good 8-10
inches long, and looked sharp on the end. I'd be scared of someone
swinging it. In the heat of the situation, with the woman acting
irrationally by all accounts, I can't blame the officer at all.
You'd think ... they could somehow tell the officer while en route that the person causing this disturbance had a history of getting upset but was otherwise harmless.

Wow. You must think that police have a psychological file on everybody
accessible at their fingertips. You're also assuming the police knew by
sight the person who had this "vegetable peeler" and that information
was conveyed to dispatchers over the phone (assuming she even had the
weapon while the caller was on the telephone).

"Vincent Henry Bartning" <Bartning@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:39OdnRywjvAIyzSiRVn-ig@comcast.com... I don't see what I want here.

Neither do I. Perhaps if you answered my simple question you might start
seeing what you want.
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"Bill Z." <nobody@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:m3brrr8vv4.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net... Where did I blame the officer?

That was the argument the original post was trying to make, that the officer
was guilty of murder.

"John C. Baker" <jcb10@axe.humboldt.edu> writes:
In article <m365i0j16p.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net>, nobody@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.) wrote: Whatever ether of you say, the woman who was killed was apparently short, weighed 98 pounds, and was holding some sort of vegetable peeler, at least that is what was claimed in regional newspapers. Have you SEEN this "vegetable feeler?" I did on TV.

I don't own a TV. It was once called a vast wasteland, and that was
before it got really bad. BTW, it is "vegetable peeler," and the
newspaper articles didn't show it.
You'd think ... they could somehow tell the officer while en route that the person causing this disturbance had a history of getting upset but was otherwise harmless. Wow. You must think that police have a psychological file on everybody accessible at their fingertips.

That's what the Ashcroft and Poindexter types seem to want, but in any
case, this is was not the first time the police were called due to her
eratic behavior. Of course, you'd have to read to find out about that
- it isn't quite a made for TV sound byte.

Do you think the officer might have reacted differently if he was told
something about her before he got there?

"Don Freeman" <freeman.REMOVE@smrn.com> writes:
"Bill Z." <nobody@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message news:m3brrr8vv4.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net... Where did I blame the officer? That was the argument the original post was trying to make, that the officer was guilty of murder.

I didn't write the original post nor did I comment on it. In fact,
I may not have even bothered to read the original. I merely filled
in details that were reported in the press and that were missing
in what I saw being discussed.